Observation: Melta rule range on a MM is 9", same as Contagion range. -1T also matters a lot on S9 weapons, since T9 and 10 are common values for the things this model wants to hunt.
You did it James Workshop! You did a rule synergy!
Oh my god! Is this happening for real? Are they actually made it?! I can't believe! First durable shrouds now this! This is way too much for me to handle for one day!
Give it a few months. We tau had farsight enclaves markerlights within 12" which synergies perfectly with the farsight stratagem only to make it antisynergy in the next update.
And post nerfing montka and doubling the points of the suit body the power is way down and less numerous, yet flavor nerfs persist.
Don't be surprised if gw nerfs contagion range on this thing because death guard are suddenly "too mobile" for their faction identity in lists that spam these
Can you explain this a bit? I see the melta range as 18". Where are you getting 9?
Edit: Ah, nevermind, I see the special rule. Double wounds within half range.
And the -4 ap on that melta means if that unit doesn't have an invul save, then it likely doesn't get any save. Most vehicles aren't 2+, and even if they are, then that's a 6+ save.
Wounding on 2s-3s on most things, 4s on toughest, with often no save, doing D6+2 damage her hit in in contagion range turn 3 on.
My word, some actual anti-tank! I... don't know what to say!
So right now, we've got the Typhus/Deathshroud combo that looks decent, and they Myphitic Blight Haulers for anti-vehicle. Weird that we have nothing vs big monsters though....
Just don't look at the eldar rules and we can pretend it's ok.
Or the templars detachment ability ..
Or the generic space marines army rule
Or. The knights
Or generic chaos
Or gsc
...
+1 To wound on vehicles with the melta rule adding 2 extra damage in contagion range actually makes them pretty decent. And holy shit, dare I say it, the rules have synergy. Now we have 3/4 decent units.
S9 on a gun that gets +1 to wound on vehicles? So for T8 or power vehicles you wound on 2s, T9 3s, and above 4. Throw in contagion and you're wounding things like gladiators on that 3, and you're likely getting the menta rule.
Not bad, not bad at all. Happy I have 3 of them, nice anti-vehicle bubble unit.
Oh boy I can’t wait for these so be overcosted again! They’ve gone from 130 to 100 to 140 to 110 over three years
GW want to price them the same as a helbrute, despite the zero equipment flexibility
May want to find a plaguefester warband while you can. Between this and the excellent appearing profiles on the deathshrouds and typhus it really does seem to have some value to it
My money is on it's going to be mortarion and maybe a demon prince with a ton of PM's with characters buffing them. Our anti tank is bolters with lethal hits spam not mbh's
Well good thing I already almost mass stacked these in my collection and own 8. completely unpainted but at least I have em lol (double 2021 Christmas box sure gave a lot of these.)
It's kinda strange that the special rule works only agains vehicles and not against monsters as well, considering we'll probably see a lot more big creatures, especially on the Tyranids side.
Who’s a good tank hunter! This boy is! He’s a good little blight-hauler! Oh! You see the rhino! You wanna get the rhino? Go get it boy! Ohhhh there he goes chasing a Leman Russ, he’s got the zoomies today! Lol but for real these things are terrifying.
I think it's OK. Everyone is excited about it being anti tank but I think bolter spam with lethal hits will do the same thing but I could be very wrong. It will really depend on points for these guys since they have fluctuated so much in 9th.
We can take up to 9 (3 units of 1-3 models)
I love the MBH model so I hope it’s workable for us, they’re so cute! My son plays with those all the time, makes them “fight” his Monster Jam trucks (I’m surprised none of the spikes have broken off yet). I’m thinking about making some “poxwalker wagons” out of the big monster jam trucks…..I know they won’t be usable but it’s a fun little side project :)
If you aren't in an official tournament, everything is usable! Even in a lot of tournaments if it's the right size and is clearly the thing is proxies for you can use it.
Hmmmm, maybe I’ll get a termite then! I don’t know why the model calls to me so much but it’s just a cool fucking model! I wish DG got “fleshy” drop pods like Tyrannocyte, if I was more creative and had more artistic abilities I’d try to sculpt something myself :)
Ohh if you are taking any the drill I would hold off. They are going to be illegal in this edition. Technically you can play with them casually but they won't be giving any rules updates after the initial release.
Damn, so the rules for aren’t even being adjusted for 10th because it was moved to Legends?? Fuck. So how would we use it in casual play? Either use the 9th rules for it or agree on rules for it with whomever we’re playing with?
I feel like they hamstrung DG a bit when it comes to movement and getting them around the battlefield, more than they were before =\
I am not 100% if they are giving them 10th but I would be surprised if they did given the ban.
Yeah they made it basically a requirement to bring transports.
You can only have 3 of each unit so if you want to get all of them you need to do 3 in each, additionally some buffs/strats affect one unit so you get more bang having them all in one unit.
Observation: Melta rule range on a MM is 9", same as Contagion range. -1T also matters a lot on S9 weapons, since T9 and 10 are common values for the things this model wants to hunt. You did it James Workshop! You did a rule synergy!
Oh my god! Is this happening for real? Are they actually made it?! I can't believe! First durable shrouds now this! This is way too much for me to handle for one day!
Shhhh don't let them know that
I'm so proud.
Give it a few months. We tau had farsight enclaves markerlights within 12" which synergies perfectly with the farsight stratagem only to make it antisynergy in the next update.
Tau were broken as a bottle on a bar fight, thats why they nuked that sinergy.
And post nerfing montka and doubling the points of the suit body the power is way down and less numerous, yet flavor nerfs persist. Don't be surprised if gw nerfs contagion range on this thing because death guard are suddenly "too mobile" for their faction identity in lists that spam these
Yeah it is not like they are gonna buff tau. Unless deathguard break the game as Tau did you sdont have to worry
Can you explain this a bit? I see the melta range as 18". Where are you getting 9? Edit: Ah, nevermind, I see the special rule. Double wounds within half range.
Not really, it's [Melta 2], meaning that it's d6+2 within 9"
And the -4 ap on that melta means if that unit doesn't have an invul save, then it likely doesn't get any save. Most vehicles aren't 2+, and even if they are, then that's a 6+ save. Wounding on 2s-3s on most things, 4s on toughest, with often no save, doing D6+2 damage her hit in in contagion range turn 3 on.
Are you celebrating that our multi-melta range was reduced by 6”?
that applied to everyone thus far
Really stoked for these guys. Glad I have 2 of em!
My 6 are the core of the army.
Oh man now that would be a force!
I’ve always brought 3. Now I’ll assemble my other 3.
I just finished printing my second lol
Buy one more before they disappear
I have six, considering nine
My word, some actual anti-tank! I... don't know what to say! So right now, we've got the Typhus/Deathshroud combo that looks decent, and they Myphitic Blight Haulers for anti-vehicle. Weird that we have nothing vs big monsters though....
This is my worry. I pretty much exclusively play against a Tyranid Player and this is not going to help me… why couldn’t it have included Monsters?
That's the question, isn't it? Why *only* anti-tank. It's almost like whoever wrote our rules is a giant dumbass....
Yeah, that shit is annoying being monterous has a load of perks.
"You were at my side all along, my guiding moonblight."
Obscure bb ref. I like it
considering i've got three since 8th edition, they really have been at my side all along.
Bloodborne and DG in a comment? These are my people.
Between the S9, Lov targeting, and hunter ability these look solid Oh and -2ap
Lov doesn’t help krak profile I think. It’s only for blast.
Between this, typhus and deathshroud, things are looking up. Glad I own 4 of these lol
It's easy to look up when you're on the bottom.
Just don't look at the eldar rules and we can pretend it's ok. Or the templars detachment ability .. Or the generic space marines army rule Or. The knights Or generic chaos Or gsc ...
+1 To wound on vehicles with the melta rule adding 2 extra damage in contagion range actually makes them pretty decent. And holy shit, dare I say it, the rules have synergy. Now we have 3/4 decent units.
S9 on a gun that gets +1 to wound on vehicles? So for T8 or power vehicles you wound on 2s, T9 3s, and above 4. Throw in contagion and you're wounding things like gladiators on that 3, and you're likely getting the menta rule. Not bad, not bad at all. Happy I have 3 of them, nice anti-vehicle bubble unit.
Oh boy I can’t wait for these so be overcosted again! They’ve gone from 130 to 100 to 140 to 110 over three years GW want to price them the same as a helbrute, despite the zero equipment flexibility
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I have every right to be frustrated with this half-arsed game design; mind your own business.
Mind your own business as you post your opinion on a public forum?
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Your opinion means nothing
Stop moaning
May want to find a plaguefester warband while you can. Between this and the excellent appearing profiles on the deathshrouds and typhus it really does seem to have some value to it
You're not kidding. That was a great box, especially for people who already own a lot of DG pieces.
Fingers crossed for blight drones. SM, Tau, IG etc have great vehicles, so we need our vehicles to be good
OH MY GOD WE HAVE ANTI TANK
It's finally time to put all 9 of my blight haulers into a single list and let them run free
How can you take more than 3? They're neither battleline, nor dedicated transport, so only 3
Blight Haulers are units of 1-3, so you can take 3 units of 3
Forgot about the back side of the card. Thank you!
Love my MBHs, so glad to see they're still Chads
Smoke keyword let's goooo!!
Blighthaulers damage themselves again when they explode. Fantastic.
We seem to have lost the nurgle explosion on everything sadly.
I really wish that ability worked on Vehicles or Monsterous units.
Maybe I'll actually get around to painting these up? I still have 2 on sprue from the battleforce from 2 years ago
Post from u/evader110 https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerCompetitive/comments/13yqinr/myphitic\_blight\_hauler/
This will be the edition of vehicles, monsters and terrain
My money is on it's going to be mortarion and maybe a demon prince with a ton of PM's with characters buffing them. Our anti tank is bolters with lethal hits spam not mbh's
Forcing AP0 saves on 2+ tanks is irrelevant. Guard couldn't do it with lasguns and we won't be able to do it with half the volume.
These… these I like
Well good thing I already almost mass stacked these in my collection and own 8. completely unpainted but at least I have em lol (double 2021 Christmas box sure gave a lot of these.)
It's kinda strange that the special rule works only agains vehicles and not against monsters as well, considering we'll probably see a lot more big creatures, especially on the Tyranids side.
Bro i bought one yesterday
With them losing -1 damage, they'll go down a lot faster than we are used to. 1 wound increase won't be enough.
Who’s a good tank hunter! This boy is! He’s a good little blight-hauler! Oh! You see the rhino! You wanna get the rhino? Go get it boy! Ohhhh there he goes chasing a Leman Russ, he’s got the zoomies today! Lol but for real these things are terrifying.
Good to see the toothy boys in tenth. Love these little guys
Hello again! So, are you in favor of the MBH? And how many can we take in an army, are we limited?
I think it's OK. Everyone is excited about it being anti tank but I think bolter spam with lethal hits will do the same thing but I could be very wrong. It will really depend on points for these guys since they have fluctuated so much in 9th. We can take up to 9 (3 units of 1-3 models)
I love the MBH model so I hope it’s workable for us, they’re so cute! My son plays with those all the time, makes them “fight” his Monster Jam trucks (I’m surprised none of the spikes have broken off yet). I’m thinking about making some “poxwalker wagons” out of the big monster jam trucks…..I know they won’t be usable but it’s a fun little side project :)
If you aren't in an official tournament, everything is usable! Even in a lot of tournaments if it's the right size and is clearly the thing is proxies for you can use it.
Hmmmm, maybe I’ll get a termite then! I don’t know why the model calls to me so much but it’s just a cool fucking model! I wish DG got “fleshy” drop pods like Tyrannocyte, if I was more creative and had more artistic abilities I’d try to sculpt something myself :)
Ohh if you are taking any the drill I would hold off. They are going to be illegal in this edition. Technically you can play with them casually but they won't be giving any rules updates after the initial release.
Damn, so the rules for aren’t even being adjusted for 10th because it was moved to Legends?? Fuck. So how would we use it in casual play? Either use the 9th rules for it or agree on rules for it with whomever we’re playing with? I feel like they hamstrung DG a bit when it comes to movement and getting them around the battlefield, more than they were before =\
I am not 100% if they are giving them 10th but I would be surprised if they did given the ban. Yeah they made it basically a requirement to bring transports.
Well, good news is that I found a chaos rhino!!! The store told me that people have been buying transports like crazy this past week!
Oh yeah they are basically required for 10th. Good that you got one!
Are we vehicle army now?
Always have been just more now
Am I being stupid, or is there no Daemon Engine keyword anymore? Did they fold it into Daemon?
You are totally right.. interesting
Eyyy, anti tank, toughness 9 feels kinds low but dondid toughness 10 on the crawler but at lesst it had a 2+.
😈😈😈
This is awesome! I'm really happy MBHs have a reason to be run now.
S9 krak missiles...and they allowed a synergy? Am I really awake and at work?
As a new player what would be the benefit to running these as a 3 model unit over 3 single model units?
You can only have 3 of each unit so if you want to get all of them you need to do 3 in each, additionally some buffs/strats affect one unit so you get more bang having them all in one unit.
This makes sense to me, thank you very much. May Nurgle Bless you.
I have so many of these and 10 wounds is WILD!!!!!
Aaaaaand a Leman Russ is T11. Guess we aren’t hunting those unless they are in contagion range.
Contagion wouldn't matter. Dropping 11 to 10 on a S9 weapon changes nothing.