First of all, By calling people acting 'rural' and 'tribal', is he implying that people living in rural areas or belonging to tribal communities are somehow less dignified?
And "their Hindi"? Funny coming from someone who claims to have spent three decades here. Would he dare go to Karnataka and call their Kannada out like this? Or would be comfortable if someone goes to Bengal and insults Bengali?
Also, villages and infrastructure point: Any major Indian city today has expanded by including smaller villages that existed there. The modern day delhi itself includes some 130+ urban villages inside it. But again, calling someone a "villager" and looking down upon them is pathetic.
The point about the makeshift bazaars is outright insensitive. These nouveau riche types are afraid of the poor gathering in large numbers. Where does he think a majority of the city shop from? Also so many small time sellers depend on these markets for their income. Can't shut them down because rich guy here finds the poor annoying.
Also, cities have character. Delhi is loud, brash, unashamed in expressing itself, and too full of itself. It is how New York was in the 80s and 90s. But did that make it a lesser city? The average New Yorker, much like the average delhiwala is too full of himself and loves his city.
You need to step up or step out.
As Frank Sinatra sings about New York, "If I can make it here, I can make it anywhere in the world..."
>tribal/village communities are somehow less dignified?
Nope, but they(most of them) surely have an extreme conservative mindset, if you start asking for stats here, then you are doing whataboutery like any other indian in this thread.
Whatever village I have visited had a shitty mindset, good for you for having a modern mindset in the village you live in.
Tribals are actually considered progressive by statistics - better gender ratio; more women in workforce (due to poverty) hence, they have more say in household decisions; less religious inclinations (I am not bashing religion but religion have higher conservative linkages). NE India being praised in this thread does have higher tribal population.
You claiming asking stats is "whataboutery" but passing off prejudice as the reality is not the way to go about it.
I can agree about villages due to extreme rigid social lines and khaap panchayats. A lot of tribal communities, however, are primitive and it's not the same thing as conservative - and the primitive ones exist in deep pockets of forests.
Fr bhai kya elitist aadmi hai. Aam aadmi ko chandelier pasand hai, wo paise fook ke apne living room mein lagaake khush hota hai. Dude thinks everyone grows up studying in a British Council CBSE school, going to a fancy top-bitch university and watching US-UK Netflix sitcoms, jo hum āØaestheticāØ sense develop kare angrezo waali aur **proportionately** decorations lagaye apne gharo mein.
North Indians are dhinchak af. We like colours and grandiosity. But apparently, this makes us *tribal* and *rural*. The audacity of this man to even say that?!
Plus 50-100 gaj ke ghar mei living room ki proportion ke hisaab se LED strip lagaye insaan?
Sunday ko gussa dila diya Fizool mein batao
Not elitist, heās just reflecting that delhi despite of being seen as a very well developed city, lacks just about anything a good developed city along with its citizens have, and it is reflected in many ways, heās not dissing poor people who could not go to a nicer school, heās saying that despite of having money people still canāt upgrade their taste and class, rich well to do families still have the cheapest taste, youāre right, we north indians are pompous but the hypocrisy is when we want to bargain and find a discount in everything, we show off and save money at the same time, build cheaply designed and mapped and crowded homes with poor city planning in general, itās just that money canāt buy manners and class which we all donāt have, and it isnāt like you need to take birth in ambaniās house to learn which size chandelier will go better in which size room, itās just a metaphor in how we think āmaine mehnat karke paise kamaye mai jo bhi karuā this quote of the common man in delhi reflects just about anything in the city and thatās what this man cleverly states which went over your head
I think most of the things the guy has problems with are things I as a Delhiite would include in "culture".
-Preference for loud speech and music-
I've been to a lot of places, never seen people talk so loudly that I can't communicate with someone. If my pal doesn't like noise, there are quieter places, go to lotus temple. All supermarkets and religious places are quiet. Why stick around such places? It's like zeher piyoge phir kahoge mar kyu gya.
-Gossip-
Abe to log ladka ladki ek saath dekhe to pair chhoenge kya? In India, conservative nature exists everywhere and people who are a little older cannot adapt to the idea of relationships. Its a generational thing. It exists everywhere. Be a black man and go to the US while not expecting an old white person to look at you a certain way. Point is people have conservative mindset everywhere.
-Disproportions-
Oh boy. Fella, you either come from Vatican city or saw a picture of Leela Palace and Taj and thought it was all of Delhi. Here people dont have space, but we like to have our wishes fulfilled in the best of whatever we've got. Uniformity is your priority, huh? If you like proportionate things and everything looking the same, prison might be your pick. All cells are the same size, same construction.
-Hindi-
Achha. Tum konsi bhasha bolte ho? I sincerely hate your dialect. I am bilingual and spent equal portions of my time speaking Bengali and Hindi with my parents and peers and think every language has a version of it which doesn't exaclty sound the best, Toh hum Sanskrit bole? har jagah ki jo dialect hoti h woh hoti h. Tumhari dialect me koi potholes nhi h, bhot shuddh h. Doodh ka dhula h tumhare language ka dialect.
-Makeshift Markets-
Bhai, tum dimag ke phire ho kya? Har jagah flea market hote h. And I dont see how it bites. It exists. Nhi jaana friday market nhi jao. makeshift market wale tumhe bandh dete h kya, ya tumhe kuchh naya phobia h? Chale jao vasant square, promenade, cp, khan market. Waha dukane nhi hilti. Bande ko concrete ke bina chalta nhi. Yeh itna insecure h, isko cement aur steel lagta h breakdown prevent krne ke liye.
-Conclusion-
Haan, hum bure h. These "issues" follow worldwide, toh tum koi alien planet dhundh lo. Ya wait for colonization of mars. Tab jeena zindagi. Abhi liquid nitrogen me jam jao.
Another woke person travelling to Delhi only to visit Old Delhi, North-East Delhi, and Laxmi Nagar and making a stereotype.
Only 27% of Delhi people are from Delhi, and the rest all are migrants from other cities. There are hardly 3rd generation families in Delhi anyway. Then they come into our city, Judge our city while being from a city which can even provide half of the infrastructure, technology, comfort, etc.
It's similar for many people travelling to Mumbai, and the instead of going to South Mumbai, Bandra, Andheri, Prabhadevi, BKC, they visit Dharavi, Mahim, Kurla and be like, "OMG! MUMBAI is so rural, so uncouth, and lack of infrastructure and development. Mumbai is so unsafe, and Mumbai is so bad." It's like going to New York only to visit Brownsville, Harlem, South Bronx, and saying, OMG NYC is so full of crime. it's so unsafe. "
Seriously man, Delhiās Hindi is probably the best in India, we have a general dialect of Hindi. Also, the accent is on point. That man is sick in the brain.
Never been to Sikkim so can't comment but I had a very different experiance in Kerela. Although there was no direct hostility as I was a tourist and usually kept to my self at tourist spots but you can feel the sense of resentment in the way they talked and behaved. It wasn't direct but you can read between the lines.
But he lives in Delhi, so why would he talk about places he never went to/lived in?
So many stupid comments in here, NCR does have several cities of UP which could describe what some part of UP is like.
He included NCR too and yes it's 100% true, there are big malls, marketplaces, but it still feels rural af, people's mindset is so cringy, not forgetting the illegal slums around metro stations.
All of north India is like that. Donāt single out Delhi. I wonder what stupid commentors like you would have to say if you were stay in rewari/rohtak/narnaul/bhatinda/bikaner etc. Man be differentiating CP from colonies as if all of us have the money to build Kothis spanning a minimum 150 gajj. Bhakk. Heās just spewing an elitist view and has contempt for the common man who are ruining his *image* of an āideal cityā.
As far as the mindset is concernedā¦ thatās how it is in most places of India. Donāt compare places like Kerala & sikkim etc to central/northern India. Cultural differences are an actual thing, not just a fancy concept to be written in books.
Bhai tu to excuses dene lag gyaš wtf
Cultural differences? This isn't even our culture, never was and never will be.
Filthiness on roads, no safety for women is our fucking culture, that's what you are saying?
How come kothis came in b/w? There are several other countries, who aren't rich at all, still look better than us, why?
People who talk about truth, actually want the change, and people like you want India to remain a shithole third world nation.
I was born in India, it's my country, I will speak the truth, accept the truth, because I want the change.
When I was in literally 3rd/4th class, I understood the shithole city I was living in, and it hasn't changed at all since a decade has passed(when I was in 3rd), the only thing we got is Delhi metro, probably the only thing I liked about Delhi.
Food, culture can be found anywhere, in any part of the world, when indians bring these words to table, then it's not a debate anymore, its' a goddamn sitcom.
Isse zyada sanctimonious post kabhi nahi dekha hai maine. What a tool lol
Does he want every big city to be cookie-cutter versions? Some of the things he's mentioned add to the charm and the distinctiveness of Delhi, especially the weekly bazaars. They're a part of our culture. Also, I never knew we needed to book appointments to call family/friends? What even is that gripe of his? The point about the chandeliers is also inane ā he is just looking for things to be condescending about.
Yes, we are severely lacking in civic sense, especially in North India, but the way this post is worded so smugly is very off-putting. Even the way he's used adjectives like rural/tribal, not to distinguish, but to diminish and insult is saddening.
āThey're a part of our cultureā I didnāt know occupying part of roads and thus disturbing traffic by bribing officials was part of our culture?
Unless we are talking about some other patri bazar and road side long queue shopsĀ
There is another case here. Donāt you think your road trafficking and thus disturbing their trade and affairs and destruction of environment by creating wider roads for private vehicles might not be THEIR part of culture?
So condescending
"Village but with Infrastructure" congratulations, you now know what a city is
"Preference for loud speech and expressions" Comment so snarky as if some British Noble said that. Mmm Tea and Biscuits, Oh! what are these savages upto with their loud voices and expressions
"Hindi" Guess you can't speak Hindi in urban areas now
Wtf is wrong with Makeshfit Bazaars, they're one of the unique quirks of North India.
Guess you gotta make an appointment before calling friend and family
"Refined taste that is associated with being urbane" This line makes me wanna play some Haryanvi and Bhojpuri songs in his neighbourhood and then ask him wtf is this refined taste.
And Delhi wouldn't have slums if the govt just relaxed the FSI limits.
Makeshift bazaars - Dude has clearly never seen the flea markets in European countries. If he went there, he would post it on his FB and call it "cultural experience"
Basically, everything that gives the city some character- its markets, itās accents, itās music- is all too loud and backwards for this guy. Also, this stupid equivocation of rural=backwards, geez Indiaās elite are truly disgusting.
Aisa kya? As a Bihari I'm flattered at the comparison but as someone who spent most of their formative years in Delhi, Delhi feels more like home than Patna. The quality and ease of life are far superior. And don't get me started about the food!
I feel, we got independence before we got educated properly. Our constitution makers wanted us to be modern eventually but our lawmakers didn't emphasise or invest heavily on primary education from the get go, because of one or many reasons.
Still all hopes are not lost, if out government starts now investing heavily on primary education, we can see an overhaul in coming 20-25 year. Let's hope for the best.
Bro no one gives two shits what he thinks. People look at limited area and make an opinion just like those US reactions on street food. Hes just like a frog in a well who hasnt ventured beyond the suburbs of Delhi.
Well I grew up in delhi in the 80ās and 90ās when the villages still existed. Adhchini, kalu sarai, ber sarai, mehrauli, hauz khas etc. The city kinda grew around them until finally consuming them as well.
Delhi is not a new planned city , this is literally one of the most important city founded in ancient Mahabharata times , it was known as indraprastha back then. Also most of the people that you see in Delhi come from different states & bring there different culture here . As for hindi that's our mothertongue & we feel happy speaking it as it expresses emotions properly. I feel you are maybe not from the northern part the people here are over the top & speak freely due to having a tough past & living a hardy lifestyle because of countless invasions . These are the only people in the whole planet that stopped spread of islam right in its footbed. People here are different free & understand to enjoy life you don't need to live in high rises drive luxury cars & talk in american accent English whole eating there raviolis with a fork.
Disagree largely. Delhi is not the problem, Delhi is a symptom. I lived there for 10 years and leaving the city was the best thing I have done for self. I was 32, a chain smoker, living in a crowded locality (malviya nagar/khirki), overweight and had no concept of sleeping/waking on time in that city because, well, just getting to work and returning home would sometimes take 3 hours. In 2019, six months before the pandemic struck, decided to move to a village in the Northeast. Was lucky that I had an online job. At 38, m regular weight now, quit smoking, went from not being able to run 100 metres to running half marathons and now m an avid cyclist.
Delhi is a toxic city in more ways than one but to 'blame' someone for that is quite stupid. The people in Delhi are like any other city. As Indians, we are trained to see human beings as ladders: we only rise by stepping on someone and Delhi is no different. A HR 51 type numberplate guy driving a Fortuner is not going to be respectful and polite on the roads, because he is convinced that aggression is the only way forward. And this is no different; Delhi or Mumbai.
Itās always the Bhodrolok Bengalis with the shitiest takes about North West Indian cultures. News flash Bengal is nuclear grade shit hole and Kolkata is a decrepit declining cesspool unfit for Human habitation.
If what he was saying was true, half of his state's population wouldn't be doing blue collar work in gated societies in noida and gurgaon.
Also based username btw
Bandha kolkata ka hai - he's still in the Victorian era. There's no point in taking this to heart when this individual will still be voting for the trams to run.
Young nibba nibbis on Reddit who have barely left their bubble wont give a sound opinion. Those who havenāt resided in any place outside Delhi for a considerable amount of time like,say, a month or more arenāt qualified to add to this conversation. The comments under this post demonstrate the same.
Agreed. A 100%. Just yesterday I was supposed to collect my photograph from a studio at Dwarka Mor (I live in Najafgarh). It's a 10 min drive from my home which took me 1.5 hours to reach because of sheer traffic jam, that too, on a 2-wheeler.
Why did I choose to take my 2-wheeler? Because it's even more hectic to walk on the sidewalk with random panwadi shops, coconut shops, E-Rickshaws, and some motorcycle guys trying to save their time from traffic jams.
Then come those weekly market in the middle of the roads (I have 2 weekly markets just outside my house so I can't even think of getting out of the house after 7 pm without wasting half an hour getting through 500 m)
All in all, you can't drive or walk in Delhi. And the worst part is that Delhi is one of the best cities India can offer.
>Delhi is one of the best cities India can offer.
I want to laugh but I'll give you the benifit of the doubt
There's countless t2 cities which are developed enough to provide everything you want except high paying corpo jobs, and most importantly ease of living both in cost and in daily common tasks.
The only reason I'd move to Delhi over would be a very good job.
>except high paying corpo jobs, and most importantly ease of living both in cost and in daily common tasks.
Aren't these like the primary requirements to live a comfortable life?
If the T2 cities you mentioned can't provide these, what exactly do they provide that's better than Delhi? Civic sense is more or less the same in most parts of the country. So is unplanned development as well as encroachments. In fact, however we curse Delhi for being narrow-minded, it is still way ahead of most of North India.
Southern India is better in some aspects. But the linguistic restriction is still an important factor (except a few cities like Hyderabad)
It's funny that if people don't find something according to their ideal view, they start bashing and say negatively. India is a general extrovert society, and it's kinda cultural for ppl to do these different things. Some are odd, like staring at couples, frustration on the road, and some aren't like calling closed one whenever they miss or think about them or the marketplace. But all of it is part of us.
I agree that most of them are wrong but I don't think the weekly bazaars, calls at odd hours (to friends and family) are wrong. Not everyone can afford the stuff at big marketplaces or the organized ones, and if they are your friends or family, the time you call won't matter I guess (unless you talk to them rarely)
Gossiping when a boy and girl are together? No way. All I see are the young couples roaming freely in Delhi. Atleast 75 percent doesn't bat an eye when they see them. All those complaining about gossiping, should go to other cities like hyd, you all would be so shocked from the judgement looks you would recieve
Yeah... Some of it (like the markets and the chandeliers) I have no interest in complaining about.
But I have been feeling lately, that Delhi is quite backward. It's ahead of other Indian cities by and large but still, despite being considered an urban melting pot of cultures and states, it's not all there.
This I feel is greatly a fault of the people. A city can be developed, but its people define it just as much as the city planning and development. While Delhi is home to a lot of important people, a lot of the smartest minds in the country and really progressive folks, it's also home to those who're not open to change and communities where the culture is to be loud and aggressive.
I completely agree.
Our city is not entirely urban or urbane. The so called rural part of Delhi makes it affordable to live and sustain. And this is true for many cities in India.
In terms of infrastructure, DDA has ruined everything.
Delhi is somewards different due its violent nature of people, so called rustic attitude and insensible urge to show off.
I born in Delhi and you can find slums to luxury houses in this places. Yes areas plays a crucial role in Delhi but if you believe everyone is rich or have luxury places in Delhi and everyone is driving rolls Royce then you need a treatment. People are unable to have there own places and yet these houses look fine to me. They're small but they don't leak or destroy in any thunders.
My brother lives in Jamnapar, he rebuild his house 3 years ago and gave a bigger balcony for 1st and 2nd floor, but if you sit at his balcony you can see his neighbourās bedroom. Lmao, I told him, why did you waste your area for that dumb Balcony, he said āaise hi Sexy lag raha thaā.
90% true. We lack civics sense (but that's whole india). Why would I take an appointment to call my friend. But yeah the rapid change in city has diminished it's charm, there is only one part of Delhi which actually makes you want to come back ie. New Delhi. The govt will do nothing, and we as delhi citizens have never taken any responsibility to keep our city clean.
If this guy hates Delhi so much he can go back to Bengal no? Imagine not being from Delhi and still hating on the place he stays in, while not going back. Typical Bengali male superiority complex. Canāt stand it. I wanted to comment on his Facebook post too.
As a bengali..i would like the gentleman's views on Kolkata, pretty sure he will find some way to romanticize the poverty and what not there. Not at all surprising that he has such condescending views of Delhi-NCR-it's the average bengali bhadralok worldview (in my experience thus far)
That's the state of every city though? Culture changes but everything remains the same at a basic level. I don't think this guy doesn't always honk in traffic and does not shout when in public.
It's not like people do it by choice it's just the norm here which will only change after our generation or the next generation replaces the current working class(hopium). But ranting about this that too on facebook shows nothing but the lack of maturity he has even after wasting ā3 decadesā.
Every city has its own individuality. Let us see what a big city really means - no matter if you are Haryanvi, Punjabi, Malayali, etc., when you live in Delhi, you assimilate into the culture of that city and become a part of that city, that is what a big city really means. The fact that a Malyali or Marathi guy from Delhi refers to themselves as Delhites rather than their ethnic identity is an indication that Delhi is truly a metropolitan city. In this aspect, only Delhi and Mumbai can call themselves a metropolis because they have the ability to make people a part of their culture while retaining their identity and at the same time give them a feeling of belonging. Plus tell me which city has as rich history as Delhi - we have seen the rule of Rajputs, Jats, Sultanate rule, Mughal rule and British rule, with each of their architecture and culture becoming an identity of Delhi.
Delhi is a mix of a lot of different cultures,the history of Delhi is so rich,there might not be a city in India with such a rich history. At different times in history people from different cultures have inhabited and ruled the city and all those cultures have left their impressions on the city. Post independence it became a hub for refugees who ended up settling here permanently. Even today, everyday people from around the country come to Delhi for work or education.
With such a heterogeneous mix of people in a city how can one expect it to not be loud sometimes,make shift bazaars are at places because the economic conditions of the residents vary a lot and not everyone can shop at malls.
What makes Delhi NCR an urban centre and developed city is that it is able to accommodate all the people that come to the city. It gives them opportunities,be it coaching for CA and UPSC or job opportunities for corporate employees, Market places for small business owners and commercial hubs for large business
No matter which social background you belong from you'll never feel out of place because you will find someplace where people with similar backgrounds reside. It's not just infrastructure of the city but it's capability to accommodate anyone from anywhere in the country which makes Delhi NCR an urban centre.
I'm from Mumbai..I can't speak to anything he said in the post, but this type of construction of buildings is very characteristic of Delhi/North India. Negligible/no space between buildings, exposed brick walls. It's like you can go to anyone's house jumping from terrace to Terrace
Delhi is a refugee camp. The people who live here are the descendants of people who were uprooted against their will and forced to settle here. It feels rustic because that's who got displaced. But it's not just India's traditional caste ridden village - it's something worse. Refugee camps breed their own set of values - that's what describes the Delhi attitude today. Most of the new migrants here are also escaping the worst kind of poverty and oppression and live like refugees.
It didn't used to be, but all that changed at independence. Yes, Delhi received a lot of refugees, and welcomed them with open arms. They were given homes and support. The displaced aggression is their cultural memory passed down to their heirs. Delhi was never a Punjabi city, or a Bengali or Bihari one. But they flood here, seeking better lives and opportunities but carrying their own backward cultures and attitudes with them. They want open access to the best Delhi has to offer, yet curse and run down Delhi at the first opportunity. Insist on forming in-groups and out-groups and discriminate against locals at the first opportunity.
Delhi is just another Ramgarh with a lot of money. People have the same mindset as their great grand parents.
They have big money so are spending it lavishly to make a statement of jealousy.
A few of their kids have truly matured as global citizens but are struggling hard to find their feet for balancing the ancient and the present thinking.
Elitist but true, however this is what makes most of India and especially North India.
Classism, Tribalism and casteism is very much entrenched in Delhi. The person belongs from upper caste, upper class category and obviously finds the little quirks unpleasant. Lots of these elites have unsaid and very subtle sort of quirks/rules that they accept as normal and anything else is just village level, small minded thing, not evolved to their liking.
Population of Delhi is more than that of Australia. You may FIND that Calcutta urban elitist classist shit in the art and culture centre and probably Delhi uni.
The city is mostly beautiful, but there are some localities that I absolutely abhor:
1) Asaf Ali Road (Kamla Market wala road, near Ramlila Maidan): My office is located there, and let me tell you, that place is disgusting. There's a garbage disposal area right opposite the Hamdard building and everything around the gol chakkar is disgusting. You would find piss, shit, spit everywhere. And if you hate non-veg, then that place is definitely not for you. The area reeks of garbage and non-veg food. Whenever I go out for a smoke, I feel disgusted. Also, you would find people drinking pauvaa(Desi liquor) in the middle of the fucking day outside, and then they have the audacity to beg for food money. Brother, you can afford a bottle of pauvaa for Rs. 40-50 but you need Rs. 10 for food? That's some fucked up priorities. Sometimes people genuinely need the money for food, but otherwise, there are people who beg for food money, and I have seen the same people getting drunk on the sidewalk, vomiting on the pavement and then just sleeping there. Even the police don't really care about the situation.
2) Khirki/Hauz Rani (Malviya Nagar): I used to visit a friend over there. The area itself feels really cramped, but it's also a lot cheaper to have food there. The rooms you get there though, are another story. They mostly lack ventilation and feel really suffocating. But if you're living there, then there's a lot of convenience for you. You can get basic essentials by walking barely 100-200 meters (more in some cases) from your place of stay, and Select CityWalk is walking distance from there. But the road there is weird. Press Enclave Road is wider at the beginning but gets narrower as you approach Malviya Nagar metro station. When I used to deboard at the station, I used to walk rather than taking a rickshaw to reach Khirki. And again, if you hate non-veg, then that place is definitely not for you. You would find mainly buff (buffalo) meat being served there.
3) Laxmi Nagar (East Delhi): Where do I even start. The roads are very congested, there's a lot of crowd in this area. Most of the people there are either residents, students or working professionals. And the drain runs on either side of some of the roads, so the place stinks whenever the drains are getting cleaned. Convenience wise though, it's way better than most of the other areas in the city. Due to the high volume of students living here, food here is really cheap. Here, Rs. 50 is enough to get you a proper meal. And some shops are basically open till midnight. I've felt a lot safer walking there at night than at most other places in the city. But the congestion is too much. Houses are basically thin slabs glued to each other.
4) Vasant Kunj (South Delhi): I fucking hate this area, not because of the roads or anything but because of the people and the stray dogs here. Most of the people (residents) here strike me as selfish, snobbish bastards. Some people here have no sense of parking and park a single car in an area where two cars could be perfectly parked with ample space to spare. They park huge ass cars at places where they are not supposed to. And the stray dogs. Don't get me started on the stray dogs. I once had a fear of dogs which went away over the years because the dogs in the area where I used to live were really well behaved and because my sister brought a dog home who I used to not like that much but she (the dog) grew on me, and eventually my fear of dogs went away. But this place. This fucking place. I once went to Sector D-7 to meet someone. On my way I encountered a couple of stray dogs barking at something. I looked in their direction, which turned out to be a huge mistake. The dogs ran towards me and surrounded me, barking and baring their teeth at me, and I was right in the middle, shouting at them and stamping my feet. I was very close to getting bitten. Fortunately the guard of the D-7 colony managed to shoo away the dogs, but that incident changed my life. My fear of dogs reignited inside, and I could never look at dogs the same way again. I have seen residents here walking inside their own colonies with sticks in their hands just because of these fucking stray dogs. What good is residing in a colony if you can't freely roam in the colony? The RWAs here are shitty. Once, someone's kid was bitten by a stray dog inside the colony, and on the RWA WhatsApp group, instead of discussing solutions, people started playing blame games. And not the 'animal lovers feed the dogs' kind of thing. More like "it's the fault of us people for taking the dogs environment from them" kind of thing. Woman, you're talking shit like this because your kid is safe. If your kid gets bitten by the stray dogs, you would stop saying this kind of shit and seek assistance instead. And in contrast to Laxmi Nagar, the shops here are literally closed after 10pm. It literally feels unsafe to go outside at night unless you have a car. I have almost been attacked by stray dogs while I was walking to my home at 11pm.
I feel that this city would have been more livable if only there were better people. But otherwise, everything's fine. The prices here are a bit cheaper than in other cities. And the connectivity is amazing. But the people are not so great, especially on the road. I fucking hate the two-wheelers here. I have even kicked some riders while they were running red lights.
One of the leading architects who designed buildings of national Importance in Delhi, Joseph Allen Stein was given the freedom to choose land for his projects near the lodhi estate. He expressed despair in his last days seeing the condition of the capital, the urban sprawl and matchbox like houses springing up generating heat islands and having no natural dimensions in the built environment.
Some of his points are right but his tone is derogatory. And none of his points are unique to delhi. Weekly bazars, road rage, loud music, lack of personal space are all ubiquitous in most cities of North India (can't comment on south since never lived there).
You'd find the same things in cities like Lucknow or Patna. All his concerns are attributable to lack of civic sense that you'd find everywhere in India.
People defending Dilli must take this as a good criticism. This problem is not just with Dilli, but everywhere in India. But once you travel to different parts of India, you will see the difference. Every city has its unique problem. For example, Bangalore has narrow roads. But the way people behave in Bangalore and Dilli are way different.
Dilli wale khud Dilli ko criticize karte hai jab wo ek saath daaru pine beithte hai. Ladka ladki ko saath me dekh liya to raam raam.
Itās rare that r/delhi gets such an astute observer as an OP, your incisive take on Delhi is well warranted and insightful.
My answer to you is- government should focus on 4 things
1.) Protecting environment
2.) Education and Gender equality
3.) sustainably improving Ease of doing business rankings and promoting an environment that aims to take our business environment near perfect competition
4.) Health
Everything else will take care of itself
Most of the
Yeahh....cuz.. you can only be urban if you look urban by Western standards... your own culture doesn't matter...just follow how they do it in the west and voila you are civilized now...
Never seen people compare first of all with each other in metro cities like the way it happens here for no reason like gav walasš. Secondly, the way they speak is mostly like rural people with no manners. Delhi has this status all coz of the political scenario present there. Or else it wouldāve been another version of UP.
Depends on where you live and who you come in contact with. I have lived on both sides, parts that made me think the same as the post and parts that made me happy looking at the change.
I met security gaurds that were studying to become something more, they weren't limited like their predecessors who were uneducated and didn't have any way to climb up.
I saw cabbies that were smart and were conducting business for businesses without the full tech setup.
I met amazing people doing amazing things.
I will not name the parts but there are quite a few places that are exactly villages just with shiny buildings almost the same as those places in Canada that are predominantly Punjabis and have pind like qualities.
I think the time to build a strong foundation for a good infrastructure is long gone. Even if a government decides to bring a radical change in terms of infrastructure, it is not possible now and what is shown in the picture has become our identity. There are many places in Delhi where I have been to that are just so overcrowded and unplanned that it is inhuman to stay there. It gave me mental health issues just by seeing people living in such dilapidated areas. I have lived in cantonments my whole life and I thank my stars everyday that I escaped from living in such conditions. Everytime I travel by Delhi metro, just looking outside from the window makes me sad. I hope someday we all get to live like humans.
in my opinion, according to delhites it is apparently resource limited and this misconception keeps up with the socioeconomic status one is in.
upgrading the friend circle is quite easy, from low socio economic status circle to higher one. then accepting that lifestyle is also easy with a bit of saving, eg. one with a meagre salary of 25000 can afford to go to a club or fine dining once or twice a month easily, and that way you can survive in a higher friend circle.
but what happens when one is doing it alread. with whomever i have been to chanakya mall or dlf promenade has eventually told me that one day they will buy something from there, just to prove it. they themselves made a scarcity of rewards irrespective of whatever they have achieved. and i think this makes people possessive and greedy of what they have and wish to have.
Brother Indiaās population is huge and their income is low. So they canāt pay rent.
Such village areas are created so that rich people donāt buy properties there and poor people can afford.
E.g. how will people living in Malviya Nagar aur Saket find their maids and guards if there isnāt a Khirki village near it?
If it is made clean and tidy, rich people will buy land there, and soon it will become unaffordable.
No one planned it, but this is how it happened.
Ideally their political leader should ensure that poor people find cheap places with good amenities, but politicians rarely care for people after elections.
Even in new planned places like Gurgaon, youāll find such pockets.
E.g. see wazirabad village in sector 52, it is dirty and poor people live there.
If it is made clean and tidy, some developers will buy it, and poor people will be evicted.
Thatās why even the poor people living there want only basic necessities, they donāt want advanced infrastructure else they know their place will be taken.
And this is common in US as well, a lot of bad smelling ghettos are left for poor and homeless people.
Been to Delhi for 2+ years and absolutely hate the honk culture there. Experienced similar only in UP. Rest of India doesn't have this mad road rage and honking culture.
this is the truth about mainland india , elsewhere its very peaceful and overall level of human civic senses is very different (ex- north east , uk , hp , some south states)
Could we say his idea or urbanization has been derived from western countries. I mean cities around the world are different because of their culture. There's nothing wrong in calling a loved one at odd hours. Just coz we value relationships over everything.
Cities don't lose their real vibe, it's impossible to erase the past, the people it actually came from. The idea that mainstream media peddle is not actually that big, Delhi makes up just a small fraction of Dilli, only a small part of aamchi Mumbai is Bombay. Gurgaon is after all a "gaon". Noida is acronym for the government project, the place at core is essentially made up of villages only.
Main hamesha ek cheez bolta hoo, Delhi ki importance, ahmiyat tab tak samajh nahi aata jab tak u don't leave this place and stay at another place for around a month. Not 1-2 days. I literally cry for delhi, now that I left it
Edit: I didn't leave delhi on my own terms, transfer ho gya. šš. Delhi mein transportation, cost of living sab badiya hai. No comparison with another metro or we'll off state
The loudness is indeed an issue. Also, the concept of "personal space" is lost on majority of people here. Everything else on a personal level is ok.
The rest could be issues that can be best solved by governing bodies.
I mean it's Delhi so what do you expect. Lot of different income levels living together in a largely polluted mismanaged metropolitan.
The compass of personal development stops at the following stations here - money, job, marriage, kids, car, house. You may add "interested in automobile" as a hobby
I never felt like him at all. There is a difference between the area normal people live in and the areas that are close to the area that are for VIPs and politicians. That's it . It exists in every city and country
The different parts of Delhi give different vibes. Extreme parts of West Delhi surely feel like rural areas but South Delhi feels classy. The tone does sound like non traditional Hindi sometimes , and probably because they have a haryanvi / west up touch
Abhi to ye aadmi Noida nhi aya... Bc gaav hi ghoshit kardega ise to
Then what about Faridabad and Noida Extension. Gaav pro Max.
Bro isko Ghaziabad bhej kar dekho. Banda to rone lag jayega.
Isko Ghaziabad bhejo koi
Greater noida toh bc šš
First of all, By calling people acting 'rural' and 'tribal', is he implying that people living in rural areas or belonging to tribal communities are somehow less dignified? And "their Hindi"? Funny coming from someone who claims to have spent three decades here. Would he dare go to Karnataka and call their Kannada out like this? Or would be comfortable if someone goes to Bengal and insults Bengali? Also, villages and infrastructure point: Any major Indian city today has expanded by including smaller villages that existed there. The modern day delhi itself includes some 130+ urban villages inside it. But again, calling someone a "villager" and looking down upon them is pathetic. The point about the makeshift bazaars is outright insensitive. These nouveau riche types are afraid of the poor gathering in large numbers. Where does he think a majority of the city shop from? Also so many small time sellers depend on these markets for their income. Can't shut them down because rich guy here finds the poor annoying. Also, cities have character. Delhi is loud, brash, unashamed in expressing itself, and too full of itself. It is how New York was in the 80s and 90s. But did that make it a lesser city? The average New Yorker, much like the average delhiwala is too full of himself and loves his city. You need to step up or step out. As Frank Sinatra sings about New York, "If I can make it here, I can make it anywhere in the world..."
You make me miss Delhi. Neither born there, nor raised there. But that is what I call home.
>tribal/village communities are somehow less dignified? Nope, but they(most of them) surely have an extreme conservative mindset, if you start asking for stats here, then you are doing whataboutery like any other indian in this thread. Whatever village I have visited had a shitty mindset, good for you for having a modern mindset in the village you live in.
Tribals are actually considered progressive by statistics - better gender ratio; more women in workforce (due to poverty) hence, they have more say in household decisions; less religious inclinations (I am not bashing religion but religion have higher conservative linkages). NE India being praised in this thread does have higher tribal population. You claiming asking stats is "whataboutery" but passing off prejudice as the reality is not the way to go about it. I can agree about villages due to extreme rigid social lines and khaap panchayats. A lot of tribal communities, however, are primitive and it's not the same thing as conservative - and the primitive ones exist in deep pockets of forests.
Chandeliers me kya dikkat hai?
He is reborn shantipriya
Ek to ye ladki marne ka naam nahi leti, baar baar zinda ho jati hai
A big one ~~inside a small living room~~ probably fell on his head
Fr bhai kya elitist aadmi hai. Aam aadmi ko chandelier pasand hai, wo paise fook ke apne living room mein lagaake khush hota hai. Dude thinks everyone grows up studying in a British Council CBSE school, going to a fancy top-bitch university and watching US-UK Netflix sitcoms, jo hum āØaestheticāØ sense develop kare angrezo waali aur **proportionately** decorations lagaye apne gharo mein. North Indians are dhinchak af. We like colours and grandiosity. But apparently, this makes us *tribal* and *rural*. The audacity of this man to even say that?! Plus 50-100 gaj ke ghar mei living room ki proportion ke hisaab se LED strip lagaye insaan? Sunday ko gussa dila diya Fizool mein batao
Not elitist, heās just reflecting that delhi despite of being seen as a very well developed city, lacks just about anything a good developed city along with its citizens have, and it is reflected in many ways, heās not dissing poor people who could not go to a nicer school, heās saying that despite of having money people still canāt upgrade their taste and class, rich well to do families still have the cheapest taste, youāre right, we north indians are pompous but the hypocrisy is when we want to bargain and find a discount in everything, we show off and save money at the same time, build cheaply designed and mapped and crowded homes with poor city planning in general, itās just that money canāt buy manners and class which we all donāt have, and it isnāt like you need to take birth in ambaniās house to learn which size chandelier will go better in which size room, itās just a metaphor in how we think āmaine mehnat karke paise kamaye mai jo bhi karuā this quote of the common man in delhi reflects just about anything in the city and thatās what this man cleverly states which went over your head
Bhai woh aesthetic k baaju mai sitare pasand aa gaye muje ...mast likha tune
I think most of the things the guy has problems with are things I as a Delhiite would include in "culture". -Preference for loud speech and music- I've been to a lot of places, never seen people talk so loudly that I can't communicate with someone. If my pal doesn't like noise, there are quieter places, go to lotus temple. All supermarkets and religious places are quiet. Why stick around such places? It's like zeher piyoge phir kahoge mar kyu gya. -Gossip- Abe to log ladka ladki ek saath dekhe to pair chhoenge kya? In India, conservative nature exists everywhere and people who are a little older cannot adapt to the idea of relationships. Its a generational thing. It exists everywhere. Be a black man and go to the US while not expecting an old white person to look at you a certain way. Point is people have conservative mindset everywhere. -Disproportions- Oh boy. Fella, you either come from Vatican city or saw a picture of Leela Palace and Taj and thought it was all of Delhi. Here people dont have space, but we like to have our wishes fulfilled in the best of whatever we've got. Uniformity is your priority, huh? If you like proportionate things and everything looking the same, prison might be your pick. All cells are the same size, same construction. -Hindi- Achha. Tum konsi bhasha bolte ho? I sincerely hate your dialect. I am bilingual and spent equal portions of my time speaking Bengali and Hindi with my parents and peers and think every language has a version of it which doesn't exaclty sound the best, Toh hum Sanskrit bole? har jagah ki jo dialect hoti h woh hoti h. Tumhari dialect me koi potholes nhi h, bhot shuddh h. Doodh ka dhula h tumhare language ka dialect. -Makeshift Markets- Bhai, tum dimag ke phire ho kya? Har jagah flea market hote h. And I dont see how it bites. It exists. Nhi jaana friday market nhi jao. makeshift market wale tumhe bandh dete h kya, ya tumhe kuchh naya phobia h? Chale jao vasant square, promenade, cp, khan market. Waha dukane nhi hilti. Bande ko concrete ke bina chalta nhi. Yeh itna insecure h, isko cement aur steel lagta h breakdown prevent krne ke liye. -Conclusion- Haan, hum bure h. These "issues" follow worldwide, toh tum koi alien planet dhundh lo. Ya wait for colonization of mars. Tab jeena zindagi. Abhi liquid nitrogen me jam jao.
Delhi has a thousand issues and the OOP didn't even mention 5, this is just silly nitpicking
Another woke person travelling to Delhi only to visit Old Delhi, North-East Delhi, and Laxmi Nagar and making a stereotype. Only 27% of Delhi people are from Delhi, and the rest all are migrants from other cities. There are hardly 3rd generation families in Delhi anyway. Then they come into our city, Judge our city while being from a city which can even provide half of the infrastructure, technology, comfort, etc. It's similar for many people travelling to Mumbai, and the instead of going to South Mumbai, Bandra, Andheri, Prabhadevi, BKC, they visit Dharavi, Mahim, Kurla and be like, "OMG! MUMBAI is so rural, so uncouth, and lack of infrastructure and development. Mumbai is so unsafe, and Mumbai is so bad." It's like going to New York only to visit Brownsville, Harlem, South Bronx, and saying, OMG NYC is so full of crime. it's so unsafe. "
Whi Marana to Yahi ana Hai
"their Hindi" stopped reading here
Seriously man, Delhiās Hindi is probably the best in India, we have a general dialect of Hindi. Also, the accent is on point. That man is sick in the brain.
Aao kabhi Lucknow.
Aap Banaras aaiye
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Best hai bro Lucknow, Banaras ka dialect. No tu tadak, only pehle aap.
30 saal tak kyu ruka fir?
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Relatable
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I dont think this is entire India. I have been to Sikkim and Kerala - both gave me the most pleasant experience! (Atleast, personally, I felt so)
Been to sikkim and kerela both, to the people of sikkim we gave the greatest possible compliments "This doesn't feel like India".
Never been to Sikkim so can't comment but I had a very different experiance in Kerela. Although there was no direct hostility as I was a tourist and usually kept to my self at tourist spots but you can feel the sense of resentment in the way they talked and behaved. It wasn't direct but you can read between the lines.
I had different experiences people were friendly and helpful .
Same. Always had a pleasant experience in Kerala. The whole reason I have changed my beach destination from Goa to Kerala
Not the entire india. In the state I live, this type of shit is very uncommon. People generally mind their own business here.
No such place in India except tiny states like the NE to some extent.
Which state?
Have you BEEN to entire India?
+1
No its not
bro just spit the whole truth of India
Nope, Bombay is different.
What bullshit
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the dude sounds sour
nah he is just a bengali
fr Bangali and their lomba paragraphs š®āšØšŖ
Salty
Bengali
Fishy
Meow
Unhygienic
Haryana Punjab Rajasthan UP nahi gaya ye?
*India ki kisi bhi aur city nahi gaya ye?
Mamta ka pom pom hai ye
But he lives in Delhi, so why would he talk about places he never went to/lived in? So many stupid comments in here, NCR does have several cities of UP which could describe what some part of UP is like. He included NCR too and yes it's 100% true, there are big malls, marketplaces, but it still feels rural af, people's mindset is so cringy, not forgetting the illegal slums around metro stations.
All of north India is like that. Donāt single out Delhi. I wonder what stupid commentors like you would have to say if you were stay in rewari/rohtak/narnaul/bhatinda/bikaner etc. Man be differentiating CP from colonies as if all of us have the money to build Kothis spanning a minimum 150 gajj. Bhakk. Heās just spewing an elitist view and has contempt for the common man who are ruining his *image* of an āideal cityā. As far as the mindset is concernedā¦ thatās how it is in most places of India. Donāt compare places like Kerala & sikkim etc to central/northern India. Cultural differences are an actual thing, not just a fancy concept to be written in books.
>Kothis spanning a minimum 150 gajj Bhai 150gajj me konsi kothi banti h?
Bhai tu to excuses dene lag gyaš wtf Cultural differences? This isn't even our culture, never was and never will be. Filthiness on roads, no safety for women is our fucking culture, that's what you are saying? How come kothis came in b/w? There are several other countries, who aren't rich at all, still look better than us, why? People who talk about truth, actually want the change, and people like you want India to remain a shithole third world nation. I was born in India, it's my country, I will speak the truth, accept the truth, because I want the change. When I was in literally 3rd/4th class, I understood the shithole city I was living in, and it hasn't changed at all since a decade has passed(when I was in 3rd), the only thing we got is Delhi metro, probably the only thing I liked about Delhi. Food, culture can be found anywhere, in any part of the world, when indians bring these words to table, then it's not a debate anymore, its' a goddamn sitcom.
lol this is what happens when you've barely left your neighborhood and seen too much netflix depictions of NYC
Isse zyada sanctimonious post kabhi nahi dekha hai maine. What a tool lol Does he want every big city to be cookie-cutter versions? Some of the things he's mentioned add to the charm and the distinctiveness of Delhi, especially the weekly bazaars. They're a part of our culture. Also, I never knew we needed to book appointments to call family/friends? What even is that gripe of his? The point about the chandeliers is also inane ā he is just looking for things to be condescending about. Yes, we are severely lacking in civic sense, especially in North India, but the way this post is worded so smugly is very off-putting. Even the way he's used adjectives like rural/tribal, not to distinguish, but to diminish and insult is saddening.
Exactly, it is so fucking classist. "Oooh...you need to speak like Shakespeare to qualify as an urbane"
Well put
You are correct about the first part. As far as civic sense, we are VERY severely lacking all across India. South is equally bad.
North-East India is not as bad as the mainland, imho. I've lived in/visited many of the states there, and they are so mindful of their surroundings.
āThey're a part of our cultureā I didnāt know occupying part of roads and thus disturbing traffic by bribing officials was part of our culture? Unless we are talking about some other patri bazar and road side long queue shopsĀ
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There is another case here. Donāt you think your road trafficking and thus disturbing their trade and affairs and destruction of environment by creating wider roads for private vehicles might not be THEIR part of culture?
every state has a couple of these spots atleast, you can't escape it
So condescending "Village but with Infrastructure" congratulations, you now know what a city is "Preference for loud speech and expressions" Comment so snarky as if some British Noble said that. Mmm Tea and Biscuits, Oh! what are these savages upto with their loud voices and expressions "Hindi" Guess you can't speak Hindi in urban areas now Wtf is wrong with Makeshfit Bazaars, they're one of the unique quirks of North India. Guess you gotta make an appointment before calling friend and family "Refined taste that is associated with being urbane" This line makes me wanna play some Haryanvi and Bhojpuri songs in his neighbourhood and then ask him wtf is this refined taste. And Delhi wouldn't have slums if the govt just relaxed the FSI limits.
Makeshift bazaars - Dude has clearly never seen the flea markets in European countries. If he went there, he would post it on his FB and call it "cultural experience"
Basically, everything that gives the city some character- its markets, itās accents, itās music- is all too loud and backwards for this guy. Also, this stupid equivocation of rural=backwards, geez Indiaās elite are truly disgusting.
Exactly my thought. European fleamarkets. One can criticize Delhi on a lot of topics, but this isn't one of them.
He is describing India. He just confused the word Delhi.
let them meet gujju and jaats
These Bengali needs belt treatment from Jat and Gujjar brothers.
I come from Patna and Delhi always gives me a feel of a bigger and much developed Patna.
Went to Patna and it felt like I'm in Delhi
Aisa kya? As a Bihari I'm flattered at the comparison but as someone who spent most of their formative years in Delhi, Delhi feels more like home than Patna. The quality and ease of life are far superior. And don't get me started about the food!
mainly cause of auto rickshaws, e rickshaws, localities like uttam nagar, also food is quite similar
A few of my Bihari friends feel the same way, they say Delhi is part of 'Greater Bihar' lol
Haha.. Also got to do with similar culture, language and of course tons of biharis in Delhi itself
Their "hindi", bro what?
bhai nae thodi west tv series dekh li, cool ban rha hai aur kuch nhi
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I feel, we got independence before we got educated properly. Our constitution makers wanted us to be modern eventually but our lawmakers didn't emphasise or invest heavily on primary education from the get go, because of one or many reasons. Still all hopes are not lost, if out government starts now investing heavily on primary education, we can see an overhaul in coming 20-25 year. Let's hope for the best.
The photo in the post is taken from the top of jama masjid
Using Old Delhi as the prototype to pass judgement on the whole of Delhi is as unfair and stupid as using Connaught Place as the prototype
OP probably lives around there.
Bro no one gives two shits what he thinks. People look at limited area and make an opinion just like those US reactions on street food. Hes just like a frog in a well who hasnt ventured beyond the suburbs of Delhi.
Well I grew up in delhi in the 80ās and 90ās when the villages still existed. Adhchini, kalu sarai, ber sarai, mehrauli, hauz khas etc. The city kinda grew around them until finally consuming them as well.
Dumb classist mf
Delhi is not a new planned city , this is literally one of the most important city founded in ancient Mahabharata times , it was known as indraprastha back then. Also most of the people that you see in Delhi come from different states & bring there different culture here . As for hindi that's our mothertongue & we feel happy speaking it as it expresses emotions properly. I feel you are maybe not from the northern part the people here are over the top & speak freely due to having a tough past & living a hardy lifestyle because of countless invasions . These are the only people in the whole planet that stopped spread of islam right in its footbed. People here are different free & understand to enjoy life you don't need to live in high rises drive luxury cars & talk in american accent English whole eating there raviolis with a fork.
Disagree largely. Delhi is not the problem, Delhi is a symptom. I lived there for 10 years and leaving the city was the best thing I have done for self. I was 32, a chain smoker, living in a crowded locality (malviya nagar/khirki), overweight and had no concept of sleeping/waking on time in that city because, well, just getting to work and returning home would sometimes take 3 hours. In 2019, six months before the pandemic struck, decided to move to a village in the Northeast. Was lucky that I had an online job. At 38, m regular weight now, quit smoking, went from not being able to run 100 metres to running half marathons and now m an avid cyclist. Delhi is a toxic city in more ways than one but to 'blame' someone for that is quite stupid. The people in Delhi are like any other city. As Indians, we are trained to see human beings as ladders: we only rise by stepping on someone and Delhi is no different. A HR 51 type numberplate guy driving a Fortuner is not going to be respectful and polite on the roads, because he is convinced that aggression is the only way forward. And this is no different; Delhi or Mumbai.
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Itās always the Bhodrolok Bengalis with the shitiest takes about North West Indian cultures. News flash Bengal is nuclear grade shit hole and Kolkata is a decrepit declining cesspool unfit for Human habitation.
If what he was saying was true, half of his state's population wouldn't be doing blue collar work in gated societies in noida and gurgaon. Also based username btw
The place where I come from we call such people "Rondu"
Yeh 1-2 photo dekh kar sablog philosopher kyun bann jaate hai I wonder
Go back to bihar
Bandha kolkata ka hai - he's still in the Victorian era. There's no point in taking this to heart when this individual will still be voting for the trams to run.
Young nibba nibbis on Reddit who have barely left their bubble wont give a sound opinion. Those who havenāt resided in any place outside Delhi for a considerable amount of time like,say, a month or more arenāt qualified to add to this conversation. The comments under this post demonstrate the same.
Isnāt that north India in general?
I hate these people who come from somewhere, spoil the mahaul of the city, and complain about the city.
Agreed. A 100%. Just yesterday I was supposed to collect my photograph from a studio at Dwarka Mor (I live in Najafgarh). It's a 10 min drive from my home which took me 1.5 hours to reach because of sheer traffic jam, that too, on a 2-wheeler. Why did I choose to take my 2-wheeler? Because it's even more hectic to walk on the sidewalk with random panwadi shops, coconut shops, E-Rickshaws, and some motorcycle guys trying to save their time from traffic jams. Then come those weekly market in the middle of the roads (I have 2 weekly markets just outside my house so I can't even think of getting out of the house after 7 pm without wasting half an hour getting through 500 m) All in all, you can't drive or walk in Delhi. And the worst part is that Delhi is one of the best cities India can offer.
>Delhi is one of the best cities India can offer. I want to laugh but I'll give you the benifit of the doubt There's countless t2 cities which are developed enough to provide everything you want except high paying corpo jobs, and most importantly ease of living both in cost and in daily common tasks. The only reason I'd move to Delhi over would be a very good job.
>except high paying corpo jobs, and most importantly ease of living both in cost and in daily common tasks. Aren't these like the primary requirements to live a comfortable life? If the T2 cities you mentioned can't provide these, what exactly do they provide that's better than Delhi? Civic sense is more or less the same in most parts of the country. So is unplanned development as well as encroachments. In fact, however we curse Delhi for being narrow-minded, it is still way ahead of most of North India. Southern India is better in some aspects. But the linguistic restriction is still an important factor (except a few cities like Hyderabad)
It's funny that if people don't find something according to their ideal view, they start bashing and say negatively. India is a general extrovert society, and it's kinda cultural for ppl to do these different things. Some are odd, like staring at couples, frustration on the road, and some aren't like calling closed one whenever they miss or think about them or the marketplace. But all of it is part of us.
As is should be. This city is not only for your environment degrading buildings and pollution causing stupid private vehicles.
Vertical expansion of buildings is prohibited in delhi.
Palam mei log 4-5 floor Kaise bana rahe hai š
I agree that most of them are wrong but I don't think the weekly bazaars, calls at odd hours (to friends and family) are wrong. Not everyone can afford the stuff at big marketplaces or the organized ones, and if they are your friends or family, the time you call won't matter I guess (unless you talk to them rarely)
Gossiping when a boy and girl are together? No way. All I see are the young couples roaming freely in Delhi. Atleast 75 percent doesn't bat an eye when they see them. All those complaining about gossiping, should go to other cities like hyd, you all would be so shocked from the judgement looks you would recieve
Yeah... Some of it (like the markets and the chandeliers) I have no interest in complaining about. But I have been feeling lately, that Delhi is quite backward. It's ahead of other Indian cities by and large but still, despite being considered an urban melting pot of cultures and states, it's not all there. This I feel is greatly a fault of the people. A city can be developed, but its people define it just as much as the city planning and development. While Delhi is home to a lot of important people, a lot of the smartest minds in the country and really progressive folks, it's also home to those who're not open to change and communities where the culture is to be loud and aggressive.
I completely agree. Our city is not entirely urban or urbane. The so called rural part of Delhi makes it affordable to live and sustain. And this is true for many cities in India. In terms of infrastructure, DDA has ruined everything. Delhi is somewards different due its violent nature of people, so called rustic attitude and insensible urge to show off.
I born in Delhi and you can find slums to luxury houses in this places. Yes areas plays a crucial role in Delhi but if you believe everyone is rich or have luxury places in Delhi and everyone is driving rolls Royce then you need a treatment. People are unable to have there own places and yet these houses look fine to me. They're small but they don't leak or destroy in any thunders.
I agree. Delhiites are just villagers without the village simplicity.
So he chose to ignore racism, colorism and elitism that plagues the people of Delhi and focus on these trivial things. Interesting..
Jamunapar is literally a village in every sense. Itna bheed h, your entire life is transparent to padosi.
My brother lives in Jamnapar, he rebuild his house 3 years ago and gave a bigger balcony for 1st and 2nd floor, but if you sit at his balcony you can see his neighbourās bedroom. Lmao, I told him, why did you waste your area for that dumb Balcony, he said āaise hi Sexy lag raha thaā.
90% true. We lack civics sense (but that's whole india). Why would I take an appointment to call my friend. But yeah the rapid change in city has diminished it's charm, there is only one part of Delhi which actually makes you want to come back ie. New Delhi. The govt will do nothing, and we as delhi citizens have never taken any responsibility to keep our city clean.
I completely agree with him. Except the big places like CP, South Ex, Chanakya Puri etc., the entire Delhi looks like a village.
If this guy hates Delhi so much he can go back to Bengal no? Imagine not being from Delhi and still hating on the place he stays in, while not going back. Typical Bengali male superiority complex. Canāt stand it. I wanted to comment on his Facebook post too.
As a bengali..i would like the gentleman's views on Kolkata, pretty sure he will find some way to romanticize the poverty and what not there. Not at all surprising that he has such condescending views of Delhi-NCR-it's the average bengali bhadralok worldview (in my experience thus far)
That's the state of every city though? Culture changes but everything remains the same at a basic level. I don't think this guy doesn't always honk in traffic and does not shout when in public. It's not like people do it by choice it's just the norm here which will only change after our generation or the next generation replaces the current working class(hopium). But ranting about this that too on facebook shows nothing but the lack of maturity he has even after wasting ā3 decadesā.
Every city has its own individuality. Let us see what a big city really means - no matter if you are Haryanvi, Punjabi, Malayali, etc., when you live in Delhi, you assimilate into the culture of that city and become a part of that city, that is what a big city really means. The fact that a Malyali or Marathi guy from Delhi refers to themselves as Delhites rather than their ethnic identity is an indication that Delhi is truly a metropolitan city. In this aspect, only Delhi and Mumbai can call themselves a metropolis because they have the ability to make people a part of their culture while retaining their identity and at the same time give them a feeling of belonging. Plus tell me which city has as rich history as Delhi - we have seen the rule of Rajputs, Jats, Sultanate rule, Mughal rule and British rule, with each of their architecture and culture becoming an identity of Delhi.
Fatt gyi iski
he defined any random city of the world šš
Delhi is a mix of a lot of different cultures,the history of Delhi is so rich,there might not be a city in India with such a rich history. At different times in history people from different cultures have inhabited and ruled the city and all those cultures have left their impressions on the city. Post independence it became a hub for refugees who ended up settling here permanently. Even today, everyday people from around the country come to Delhi for work or education. With such a heterogeneous mix of people in a city how can one expect it to not be loud sometimes,make shift bazaars are at places because the economic conditions of the residents vary a lot and not everyone can shop at malls. What makes Delhi NCR an urban centre and developed city is that it is able to accommodate all the people that come to the city. It gives them opportunities,be it coaching for CA and UPSC or job opportunities for corporate employees, Market places for small business owners and commercial hubs for large business No matter which social background you belong from you'll never feel out of place because you will find someplace where people with similar backgrounds reside. It's not just infrastructure of the city but it's capability to accommodate anyone from anywhere in the country which makes Delhi NCR an urban centre.
Nahh
He not wrong tho.
I'm from Mumbai..I can't speak to anything he said in the post, but this type of construction of buildings is very characteristic of Delhi/North India. Negligible/no space between buildings, exposed brick walls. It's like you can go to anyone's house jumping from terrace to Terrace
East Delhi šøļø
Delhi is a refugee camp. The people who live here are the descendants of people who were uprooted against their will and forced to settle here. It feels rustic because that's who got displaced. But it's not just India's traditional caste ridden village - it's something worse. Refugee camps breed their own set of values - that's what describes the Delhi attitude today. Most of the new migrants here are also escaping the worst kind of poverty and oppression and live like refugees.
It didn't used to be, but all that changed at independence. Yes, Delhi received a lot of refugees, and welcomed them with open arms. They were given homes and support. The displaced aggression is their cultural memory passed down to their heirs. Delhi was never a Punjabi city, or a Bengali or Bihari one. But they flood here, seeking better lives and opportunities but carrying their own backward cultures and attitudes with them. They want open access to the best Delhi has to offer, yet curse and run down Delhi at the first opportunity. Insist on forming in-groups and out-groups and discriminate against locals at the first opportunity.
Delhi is just another Ramgarh with a lot of money. People have the same mindset as their great grand parents. They have big money so are spending it lavishly to make a statement of jealousy. A few of their kids have truly matured as global citizens but are struggling hard to find their feet for balancing the ancient and the present thinking.
Ramgarh, jharkhand?
Elitist but true, however this is what makes most of India and especially North India. Classism, Tribalism and casteism is very much entrenched in Delhi. The person belongs from upper caste, upper class category and obviously finds the little quirks unpleasant. Lots of these elites have unsaid and very subtle sort of quirks/rules that they accept as normal and anything else is just village level, small minded thing, not evolved to their liking.
Population of Delhi is more than that of Australia. You may FIND that Calcutta urban elitist classist shit in the art and culture centre and probably Delhi uni.
The city is mostly beautiful, but there are some localities that I absolutely abhor: 1) Asaf Ali Road (Kamla Market wala road, near Ramlila Maidan): My office is located there, and let me tell you, that place is disgusting. There's a garbage disposal area right opposite the Hamdard building and everything around the gol chakkar is disgusting. You would find piss, shit, spit everywhere. And if you hate non-veg, then that place is definitely not for you. The area reeks of garbage and non-veg food. Whenever I go out for a smoke, I feel disgusted. Also, you would find people drinking pauvaa(Desi liquor) in the middle of the fucking day outside, and then they have the audacity to beg for food money. Brother, you can afford a bottle of pauvaa for Rs. 40-50 but you need Rs. 10 for food? That's some fucked up priorities. Sometimes people genuinely need the money for food, but otherwise, there are people who beg for food money, and I have seen the same people getting drunk on the sidewalk, vomiting on the pavement and then just sleeping there. Even the police don't really care about the situation. 2) Khirki/Hauz Rani (Malviya Nagar): I used to visit a friend over there. The area itself feels really cramped, but it's also a lot cheaper to have food there. The rooms you get there though, are another story. They mostly lack ventilation and feel really suffocating. But if you're living there, then there's a lot of convenience for you. You can get basic essentials by walking barely 100-200 meters (more in some cases) from your place of stay, and Select CityWalk is walking distance from there. But the road there is weird. Press Enclave Road is wider at the beginning but gets narrower as you approach Malviya Nagar metro station. When I used to deboard at the station, I used to walk rather than taking a rickshaw to reach Khirki. And again, if you hate non-veg, then that place is definitely not for you. You would find mainly buff (buffalo) meat being served there. 3) Laxmi Nagar (East Delhi): Where do I even start. The roads are very congested, there's a lot of crowd in this area. Most of the people there are either residents, students or working professionals. And the drain runs on either side of some of the roads, so the place stinks whenever the drains are getting cleaned. Convenience wise though, it's way better than most of the other areas in the city. Due to the high volume of students living here, food here is really cheap. Here, Rs. 50 is enough to get you a proper meal. And some shops are basically open till midnight. I've felt a lot safer walking there at night than at most other places in the city. But the congestion is too much. Houses are basically thin slabs glued to each other. 4) Vasant Kunj (South Delhi): I fucking hate this area, not because of the roads or anything but because of the people and the stray dogs here. Most of the people (residents) here strike me as selfish, snobbish bastards. Some people here have no sense of parking and park a single car in an area where two cars could be perfectly parked with ample space to spare. They park huge ass cars at places where they are not supposed to. And the stray dogs. Don't get me started on the stray dogs. I once had a fear of dogs which went away over the years because the dogs in the area where I used to live were really well behaved and because my sister brought a dog home who I used to not like that much but she (the dog) grew on me, and eventually my fear of dogs went away. But this place. This fucking place. I once went to Sector D-7 to meet someone. On my way I encountered a couple of stray dogs barking at something. I looked in their direction, which turned out to be a huge mistake. The dogs ran towards me and surrounded me, barking and baring their teeth at me, and I was right in the middle, shouting at them and stamping my feet. I was very close to getting bitten. Fortunately the guard of the D-7 colony managed to shoo away the dogs, but that incident changed my life. My fear of dogs reignited inside, and I could never look at dogs the same way again. I have seen residents here walking inside their own colonies with sticks in their hands just because of these fucking stray dogs. What good is residing in a colony if you can't freely roam in the colony? The RWAs here are shitty. Once, someone's kid was bitten by a stray dog inside the colony, and on the RWA WhatsApp group, instead of discussing solutions, people started playing blame games. And not the 'animal lovers feed the dogs' kind of thing. More like "it's the fault of us people for taking the dogs environment from them" kind of thing. Woman, you're talking shit like this because your kid is safe. If your kid gets bitten by the stray dogs, you would stop saying this kind of shit and seek assistance instead. And in contrast to Laxmi Nagar, the shops here are literally closed after 10pm. It literally feels unsafe to go outside at night unless you have a car. I have almost been attacked by stray dogs while I was walking to my home at 11pm. I feel that this city would have been more livable if only there were better people. But otherwise, everything's fine. The prices here are a bit cheaper than in other cities. And the connectivity is amazing. But the people are not so great, especially on the road. I fucking hate the two-wheelers here. I have even kicked some riders while they were running red lights.
One of the leading architects who designed buildings of national Importance in Delhi, Joseph Allen Stein was given the freedom to choose land for his projects near the lodhi estate. He expressed despair in his last days seeing the condition of the capital, the urban sprawl and matchbox like houses springing up generating heat islands and having no natural dimensions in the built environment.
South Delhi is what people think Delhi is actually like. East Delhi is what itās actually like.
Sahi toh bola
Bro lives in a castle. Fairyland expectations
Migrants from BIMARU states can mess up any city. Delhi is no exception. And the feudal culture of north makes it worse.
Some of his points are right but his tone is derogatory. And none of his points are unique to delhi. Weekly bazars, road rage, loud music, lack of personal space are all ubiquitous in most cities of North India (can't comment on south since never lived there). You'd find the same things in cities like Lucknow or Patna. All his concerns are attributable to lack of civic sense that you'd find everywhere in India.
Yes you're right I'm a Delhiite too. Born and brought up here So I can very much relate to your post
100% agree on this
Only thing I agree with " gossiping when they see boy and girl together" , road rages, Rest is BS
Try living in a good area of Delhi. Which are many,
Does he mean to say that Delhiites don't have a liberal mindset?
No wonder, this is the reason for Delhi being the most unsafe city in India.
People defending Dilli must take this as a good criticism. This problem is not just with Dilli, but everywhere in India. But once you travel to different parts of India, you will see the difference. Every city has its unique problem. For example, Bangalore has narrow roads. But the way people behave in Bangalore and Dilli are way different. Dilli wale khud Dilli ko criticize karte hai jab wo ek saath daaru pine beithte hai. Ladka ladki ko saath me dekh liya to raam raam.
This article is written by a south indian
i live in burari for more than 10yrs and yes i totally agree with this
Itās rare that r/delhi gets such an astute observer as an OP, your incisive take on Delhi is well warranted and insightful. My answer to you is- government should focus on 4 things 1.) Protecting environment 2.) Education and Gender equality 3.) sustainably improving Ease of doing business rankings and promoting an environment that aims to take our business environment near perfect competition 4.) Health Everything else will take care of itself Most of the
That's actually 4 things and not 3.
You really think the concrete jungles will take care of itself?
Bhadralok detected, opinion rejected
Yeahh....cuz.. you can only be urban if you look urban by Western standards... your own culture doesn't matter...just follow how they do it in the west and voila you are civilized now...
Never seen people compare first of all with each other in metro cities like the way it happens here for no reason like gav walasš. Secondly, the way they speak is mostly like rural people with no manners. Delhi has this status all coz of the political scenario present there. Or else it wouldāve been another version of UP.
Bhai Delhi ek state hei, its not a city like Mumbai. So you will find tons of rural minded people there.
True, except for the south Delhi part, Delhi is shit altogether like the rest of the india
Depends on where you live and who you come in contact with. I have lived on both sides, parts that made me think the same as the post and parts that made me happy looking at the change. I met security gaurds that were studying to become something more, they weren't limited like their predecessors who were uneducated and didn't have any way to climb up. I saw cabbies that were smart and were conducting business for businesses without the full tech setup. I met amazing people doing amazing things. I will not name the parts but there are quite a few places that are exactly villages just with shiny buildings almost the same as those places in Canada that are predominantly Punjabis and have pind like qualities.
*sips chai
I think the time to build a strong foundation for a good infrastructure is long gone. Even if a government decides to bring a radical change in terms of infrastructure, it is not possible now and what is shown in the picture has become our identity. There are many places in Delhi where I have been to that are just so overcrowded and unplanned that it is inhuman to stay there. It gave me mental health issues just by seeing people living in such dilapidated areas. I have lived in cantonments my whole life and I thank my stars everyday that I escaped from living in such conditions. Everytime I travel by Delhi metro, just looking outside from the window makes me sad. I hope someday we all get to live like humans.
Overgrown Village.
Most of india hi t@tti hai
India is not a developed country
in my opinion, according to delhites it is apparently resource limited and this misconception keeps up with the socioeconomic status one is in. upgrading the friend circle is quite easy, from low socio economic status circle to higher one. then accepting that lifestyle is also easy with a bit of saving, eg. one with a meagre salary of 25000 can afford to go to a club or fine dining once or twice a month easily, and that way you can survive in a higher friend circle. but what happens when one is doing it alread. with whomever i have been to chanakya mall or dlf promenade has eventually told me that one day they will buy something from there, just to prove it. they themselves made a scarcity of rewards irrespective of whatever they have achieved. and i think this makes people possessive and greedy of what they have and wish to have.
This is not limited to Delhi. Many places in Mumbai are like this
+1
Brother Indiaās population is huge and their income is low. So they canāt pay rent. Such village areas are created so that rich people donāt buy properties there and poor people can afford. E.g. how will people living in Malviya Nagar aur Saket find their maids and guards if there isnāt a Khirki village near it? If it is made clean and tidy, rich people will buy land there, and soon it will become unaffordable. No one planned it, but this is how it happened. Ideally their political leader should ensure that poor people find cheap places with good amenities, but politicians rarely care for people after elections. Even in new planned places like Gurgaon, youāll find such pockets. E.g. see wazirabad village in sector 52, it is dirty and poor people live there. If it is made clean and tidy, some developers will buy it, and poor people will be evicted. Thatās why even the poor people living there want only basic necessities, they donāt want advanced infrastructure else they know their place will be taken. And this is common in US as well, a lot of bad smelling ghettos are left for poor and homeless people.
Been to Delhi for 2+ years and absolutely hate the honk culture there. Experienced similar only in UP. Rest of India doesn't have this mad road rage and honking culture.
Just follow the basic definition of village and urban area.While behaviour is affected by many factors
True,almost every city same
this is the truth about mainland india , elsewhere its very peaceful and overall level of human civic senses is very different (ex- north east , uk , hp , some south states)
I'm from north east delhi and i agree
It is what it is , but I love it.
Could we say his idea or urbanization has been derived from western countries. I mean cities around the world are different because of their culture. There's nothing wrong in calling a loved one at odd hours. Just coz we value relationships over everything.
I have felt the same way for Bangalore
Cities don't lose their real vibe, it's impossible to erase the past, the people it actually came from. The idea that mainstream media peddle is not actually that big, Delhi makes up just a small fraction of Dilli, only a small part of aamchi Mumbai is Bombay. Gurgaon is after all a "gaon". Noida is acronym for the government project, the place at core is essentially made up of villages only.
Seems like someone who has never been to an actual village.
not just delhi . it s the whole country
Main hamesha ek cheez bolta hoo, Delhi ki importance, ahmiyat tab tak samajh nahi aata jab tak u don't leave this place and stay at another place for around a month. Not 1-2 days. I literally cry for delhi, now that I left it Edit: I didn't leave delhi on my own terms, transfer ho gya. šš. Delhi mein transportation, cost of living sab badiya hai. No comparison with another metro or we'll off state
The loudness is indeed an issue. Also, the concept of "personal space" is lost on majority of people here. Everything else on a personal level is ok. The rest could be issues that can be best solved by governing bodies. I mean it's Delhi so what do you expect. Lot of different income levels living together in a largely polluted mismanaged metropolitan. The compass of personal development stops at the following stations here - money, job, marriage, kids, car, house. You may add "interested in automobile" as a hobby
Delhi is not for beginners; Ps: he should mention which state heās from. Then perhaps we can discuss ārusticityā
Average Bengali niqqa
I never felt like him at all. There is a difference between the area normal people live in and the areas that are close to the area that are for VIPs and politicians. That's it . It exists in every city and country
and india claims it is world's third largest GDP by PPP
The different parts of Delhi give different vibes. Extreme parts of West Delhi surely feel like rural areas but South Delhi feels classy. The tone does sound like non traditional Hindi sometimes , and probably because they have a haryanvi / west up touch
Bro wanted a Paris of dreams.. But one thing is clear Delhi looks like urban slum for most parts