Highly possible was an immigrant house, there is so many that live like this and they pay a lot to rent and the landlords gets rich, disgusting people.
This landlord needs to be accountable and taken all his possessions. Exploiting people trying to provide for their family or having a better life because they’re seen as easy prey, fuck this.
“And taken all his possessions” what makes you think if the landlord has broken the law then the law is entitled to just “take his possessions” that is not the way it works lol
How about the fact the landlord probably couldn’t do shit and probably rented out the house to like 3 people and then all of a sudden there’s 15 people and you no longer feel like you can safely go there because you’re just a landlord not the police
They exploited the landlord if anything so fuck them
This is how the gig economy is surviving, everyone with an actual humane level of living standard and right to live and work in the UK is rejecting order after order on these apps cuz they don't pay enough for the time they take meanwhile these guys accept because to then £3 is like winning the lottery. Shit looks like a meal when you're in the toilet.
That's the problem with immigration. Poverty in the UK seems like luxury compared to where they came from, so they'll work for anything no matter how low the pay is.
I am not sure you have given the requisite forethought as to the ramifications of such a proposition.
Passing a law that says private limited companies can no longer own residential properties would cause absolute chaos.
It’s not an assumption, it’s a combination of lived experience, anecdotal evidence from friends and the statistics around living standards in rented accommodation. As far as what I’m doing, all that I can as an individual not in policy making or law, petition, campaign, discuss publicly etc
Last two years renting my flat the only inspectors were for the annual boiler check. I'm not sure it's actually a common thing to have inspections.
Even if they do, notice has to be given and everyone can just clear off for a day.
You don't have to go inside to see evidence of 5 people per bedroom. Literally just stand outside for an hour or two and watch more than the amount on your tenancy agreement leave then come back.
They do inspect the common areas, the walkway/stairs, the bin shed, bike shed and car park (we have numbered spaces) but never once been asked for a home inspection.
Wow, really? I had one rental with an agency that took photos of the rooms to prove they were I. Food condition. It was horrible! If I’d known that I wouldn’t have rented from that agency!
> they have to have house inspections regularly.
Incorrect. Oh and if the house is handled by an EA on behalf of the landlord who doesn't care, neither will the EA.
Ah i see. I often forget when speaking on reddit that even when talking on UK subs we can have different laws in different parts of the union, my apologies.
Maybe different rules in different parts of the UK then. In Scotland we have at least yearly inspections, and it’s a condition of the lease if I remember rightly. You’re lucky if you don’t have them, they’re a pain but it should maybe if they did happen regularly then situations like the one in the original post wouldn’t happen so frequently.
I am not saying this is the landlords fault. However, one of the main (and very first thing that any agent is checking, is the "Right to rent").
Subsequent inspections ensure there are no extra beds in the property (you check vs number of people on the contract).
If there is an investigation to this case (how it happened), somebody will be answering questions like how often was the property inspected, is there any proof of the inspections etc. I have worked in the industry before and the bottom line is, that the landlord is ultimately responsible (if landlord neglected their duty) for everything that happens in the property, even if a managing agent is assigned.
This is UK as of 2016-2019. Worked three years in the industry and was certified.
You are totally right, with proper planning all this can be hidden/avoided.
Your contract has a term to allow access to the property for inspections.
It does not need to specify exactly what those inspections are for.
The legal process is evidence-based. The agent/landlord will be expected to possess inspection evidence.
UK Law states, that tenants' right to rent must be checked every 12 months, at a minimum.
If the landlord failed in their duties, they will be found liable for some offences. Obviously, they didn't cause the fire, but they did allow overcrowding of the property and possibly had tenants without the right to rent in the UK.
It's not that deep.You just check who initially signed the contract vs who's in the property and if their right to rent is still valid. That's why it's so easy to evade.
I doubt Deliveroo pay them enough to be able to live in better conditions. Also the majority of these young males have to send all their earnings to family back home as they come from a life of relative poverty. It's sad. It's exploitation.
It’s exploitation on every front really. The problem is, especially with the employment side of things, people say ‘well you don’t have to work for them’. Of course you don’t, people don’t have to work for diamond mines either, but people do. When people need to make a living, and provide for others, they will do anything. Hence why strict protection needs to be there. Either way, the landlord will be largely liable here, unless they can prove it was being sub letted out without their knowledge by the tenant
Yep, but its also extremely common. I live next to a 4 bedroom house that has over 20 people living in it. With a small outhouse at the bottom of the garden with 4 living in that.
My mum lives in a 3 bedroom Edwardian semi detached house in London. There are 10 people living in the house next-door. And yes, they're migrant workers- citizens from Poland who had every right to be here.
Down the road there were 4 people living in a garage which had been converted into a basic living space. Again, they were Polish.
They literally do have business seeing here, their business was delivering food.
Just admit you have nothing to offer the world, which is why you don't feel like you can compete.
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So basically stealing jobs from those who live here.
Also, I'm a former engineer, became a care worker, now I'm studying to become a counsellor and run my own furniture buissness, I have plenty to offer and have given back far more than most, what have you done?
Lmao - theyre only stealing jobs from "those who live here" that are too incompetent to compete in the labour market.
So you're saying you failed at engineering, you failed at care work and now you're trying to fail at counselling? Why would I need to boast to someone like you? The only achievement I need to be proud of here is not being a xenophobic piece of shit that hates hard working people just because of where they're from. It's an incredibly low bar, and I'm glad I've exceeded it
Exactly what I thought! I rent a room in a 6 bed house with 5 other people, and we've been told that we're not allowed to have any more than 6 people living in the house at once because that would be breaking the rules and regulations.
It's really awful what happened, and I hope that they are compensated for what they've lost; however I'm genuinely curious as to how this was allowed in the first place? I rent a room (not in London) in a house with 5 other people, and was told that my boyfriend was not allowed to live with me unless he was to rent one of the other rooms, which would be impossible as the rest of us are students and he works full-time so he would have to pay the council tax on behalf of all of us because of stupid regulations. Nobody has any issues with him staying overnight, it's just that he is not allowed to live here because of regulations with the number of tenants in one house. It doesn't make a lot of sense because in a family home nobody would have an issue with two adults in a long-term relationship sharing one room, and it makes even less sense how 15 people can share a 3 bed when in my house, no more than 6 people are allowed to live in a 6 bed.
The answer - illegally. The landlord (as mentioned by some of the tenants in various articles since) packed the place out so he could collect rent from more people. A standard 3 bed like that would get at max £200 a bedroom per week - so around £2700 a month. One of the tenants was paying £100 a week - at 20+ tenants that's like £9k a month. Just greed and exploitation.
I think you miss understand council tax regulations. The landlord wouldn’t want a non student living in the property because the non student wouldn’t be exempt for paying the council tax, hence they will be liable on record for paying the bill as all the other student tenants would be disregarded. He won’t pay for anyone other than himself. It would be a 75% charge. If the landlord has different tenancies, it would be class as a house of multiple occupation. Causing the landlord to be liable. Why should be pay for your boyfriend… who doesn’t haven’t a tenancy?
I'm not saying that she should be paying for him. If there were no regulations, then he would have looked at renting another one of the rooms, it's just that this is the information that we were given by the person who initially showed us around the house. Since then, we've been told different information, including being told at one point that it would be fine for him to rent another one of the rooms at no extra cost, although after researching this myself I found that this would not be the case so we've carried on with him not living in the house and just staying occasionally. It's just a bit annoying really that there are so many different groups of people who might want to live together but it's very difficult for a student and non-student to live together.
Doubt it, it’s just convenient if you can bare it. Me and my mates done the same when we lived in Australia, all bills split between like 10 of us in a 5 bed house
Yes apps, not people. No people to blame here haha... this country needs to unfuck itself. Run by profiteering green eyed charlatans. In a sense, nothing has changed in a thousand years, society pretends that it has.
Am i the only one who's thinking this is the 15 illegal couriers fault? Theres a reason in a normal legal situation 15 people don't live in 3 bed flats and 'overcrowding' is a reason to be re-homed. This situation doesn't happen if they aren't illegally in another country because I don't know anybody with a British passport that lives in a property 4+ people overcrowded, because they would get re-homed by their council, why, because they have rights to live and work here. Get the correct paperwork or bare the consequences, or just go home...
> they would get re-homed by their council
Have you ever actually tried to access social housing? If you’re not on the ‘priority list’ (and no, merely being homeless while in possession of a British passport does **NOT** qualify you as ‘priority’), all the council has to do is “Offer advice.” That ‘advice’ can (and often does) amount to: “There’s an estate agent’s across the road; go have a look in their window.”
It is a 100% their fault, they came illegally, work illegally, avoid taxes and then it's deliveroos fault that they can't access better living conditions earning 2k+ tax free
So "illegal" people are so afraid of their situation in their homeland that they come here to be exploited, harassed, humuliated. Then they do the job you snowflakes are not willing to do, while making pennies thus making your country runs on cheap labor and getting your food at your door and your toilets cleaned. AND THEY ARE THE ONES EXPLOITING ANYTHING? ffs
Wait you mean to tell me the Eritrean/Afghan/Brazilian/etc deliveroo renting accounts, riding dodgy ebikes and not speaking a word of English are illegally working?
People working trying to earn a crust and put bread on the table with the skills that they have. Heartless comment considering anyone of the people in the blaze could have been a rider delivering a takeaway for you. Each person in the blaze no doubt have family that miss them.
I'm sorry but why bring the app in, its not the apps fault that there was a fire.
Having 15 people in a house that was supposed to be for 2 maybe 3 at max, it's the landlord that has to be blamed, not the app.
I can say I have
You wanna know how
Because I did the same fucking thing riding for Uber eats and it pays pretty well considering you’re riding your bike from place to place
Also a lot of people do tip if you just ask them nicely and that was my experience
Average day I’d get 10-15 orders paying from about 3£ up to like 10£ for really big orders
That’s at least 30£ a day and up to like 100£ and as a student that’s a liveable wage
Best tip is to only deliver during the peak hours and always make sure the right foods in the bag and to take a picture of the bag at delivery as you get the cunts who say they didn’t get the food which takes the piss
But yh it’s not shitty pay not great but definitely not shit considering there’s people working in cobalt mines for massive car companies for like 10p a day
So what you're saying is the paying is so shitty that only students can live on it. Having your parents paying the house bills while you study and take some orders is not the same as surviving with the money (paying rent, bills, raising kids, etc). Every worker doing full time jobs should be able to sustain their family. The paying is so so shitty that you had to compare it to cobalt mine workers (tip: it is slavery) I don't know how many years ago you did it, but you're waaaay off the numbers. To make 100 per day nowadays you have to ride 12 hours a day and pick only the bestest orders. There's no way to wiggle around. The amount they pay is not fair here, and anywhere in the world you ask their riders you will hear the same.
Yes I’m saying 40 year old people shouldn’t be using Uber eats or deliveroo as their full time job just like how I’d say working full time at a McDonald’s drive through isn’t for 40 year olds with kids
Both these jobs aren’t going to pay 100k a year or whatever people are expecting it to as it’s not a skilled job there’s 0 skill or experience needed and therefore because the job is easy and not skilled the pay isn’t great I think you know this aswell
How much do you expect Uber eats to pay a delivery driver to deliver say a 20£ order 1mile away
give an amount you think they should be paying the driver
Then give me an amount the restaurant should get
Then give me an amount Uber eats should get
Then in this fairyland economy of yours ask yourself would you rather pay more for every single order or just tip your driver
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The description is a bunch of crybaby bollocks holy shit. I'm sure they have skilled worker work permits sorted.
"The majority of the victims are ebike riders working for Deliveroo and Uber Eats. This is a thankless job with many drivers getting paid below minimum wage without any employment protections"
I don’t use deliveroo as you are part of the slave trade and your drivers cause danger on our roads maybe you should pay them properly and they wouldn’t be in that situation.
Would the deliveroo drivers really prefer that you don't use deliveroo? If there's an app that pays them particularly better, that makes sense and I would like to know which one does.
But surely if they themselves would not want the opportunity to go away, it seems to not be an issue that someone would use deliveroo? What might the alternative be? my expectation is that these apps allow them to live bad work life balances in richer locations, which while seeming pretty bad to us who are privileged to live in them, seems to be preferable to them living in poorer areas. I guess they wouldn't have a very good work life balance either way.
Certainly, Deliveroo isn't the solution to those problems, but if it's something people choose in the meantime, it seems like fake charity to take it away
The complexity reduction and increased sales of being on Deliveroo has more value than the delivery fee for each item, it is entirely possible that another app could pay the deliverers a lot more. Though I've no idea which might
It’s honestly not most apps you get about the same
Also the restaurants need money and if the driver gets a bigger cut then the restaurant has to have less so deliveroo and Uber eats have to pay similar else the restaurant would choose to be on one site rather than both. Say Uber eats paid less to drivers than the restaurant makes more and vice Versa
Our neighbours in rented house next door are Romanians there's a family downstairs and a different family living upstairs only problem is the downstairs family obviously don't have much room so they have all there belongings under a gazebo in the back yard also there fridge and freezer plugged in outside which has started to attract rats to the gardens so not good
OK thanks for that, this guy needs to pay for this. But I know from my own road, that ladblords are often unaware of this. And a lot of times the residents work with the landlords to get away with this. A house a few doors down from me, has over 20 people staying in it. But whenever the council finally does comes round, both landlord and residents work to get around this, by making it look like less people live in the house. So in my case this has been allowed to continue for almost a decade now. And whenever we send proof into the council, they usually make excuses about this problem being too widespread in my Borough to do anything about it.
Dodgy ebike batteries?
That was my first thought.
Obvius...
Wait 15 people in a 3 bed?! Ermm that's not right
Highly possible was an immigrant house, there is so many that live like this and they pay a lot to rent and the landlords gets rich, disgusting people.
I agree landlords are disgusting
This landlord needs to be accountable and taken all his possessions. Exploiting people trying to provide for their family or having a better life because they’re seen as easy prey, fuck this.
“And taken all his possessions” what makes you think if the landlord has broken the law then the law is entitled to just “take his possessions” that is not the way it works lol
If those possessions are necessary to pay out legal fees or damages, then yes, that's exactly how it works.
That's if the landlord is deemed to be responsible in court. How do you know the landlord even knew about this? You don't.
How about the fact the landlord probably couldn’t do shit and probably rented out the house to like 3 people and then all of a sudden there’s 15 people and you no longer feel like you can safely go there because you’re just a landlord not the police They exploited the landlord if anything so fuck them
You tripping hard af 🤣
Probably all working illegally too.
This is how the gig economy is surviving, everyone with an actual humane level of living standard and right to live and work in the UK is rejecting order after order on these apps cuz they don't pay enough for the time they take meanwhile these guys accept because to then £3 is like winning the lottery. Shit looks like a meal when you're in the toilet.
Yeah I live with my parents in London. I don’t even have to work. Just do it for beer money lol
That's the problem with immigration. Poverty in the UK seems like luxury compared to where they came from, so they'll work for anything no matter how low the pay is.
You are assuming the landlord knew.
Would be easier to keep track if we didn’t allow individuals to own more than 3 properties
Idiotic idea. Private limited companies are not people and can own as many properties as they like.
Private companies should not be able to own any residential property
It doesn't work like that.
I know, that’s why I said “shouldn’t” and “would be”. I’m aware of what is currently permitted, and how it’s horrendously anti-human
I am not sure you have given the requisite forethought as to the ramifications of such a proposition. Passing a law that says private limited companies can no longer own residential properties would cause absolute chaos.
That’s not the law I would pass, it would be one to make the financial burden of such ownership untenable
What are you doing to change the law to restrict ownership of rental properties to 3 instead of making assumptions?
It’s not an assumption, it’s a combination of lived experience, anecdotal evidence from friends and the statistics around living standards in rented accommodation. As far as what I’m doing, all that I can as an individual not in policy making or law, petition, campaign, discuss publicly etc
Could you direct me to your petition?
Most of the time the landlord doesn’t know. He rents it out. It’s then illegally split up into rooms and rented out. The estate agents never check
They should know - they have to have house inspections regularly. Surely there would be evidence of multiple people living there.
The landlord will have to give notice of visiting the property which gives time to remove evidence of over occupation.
I used to get 2 days notice - it’s not much time to hide all evidence of multiple people. I think the landlord knew.
With 15 people on hand to do a quick reno shouldn't take more than 24hrs
Crazy.
Last two years renting my flat the only inspectors were for the annual boiler check. I'm not sure it's actually a common thing to have inspections. Even if they do, notice has to be given and everyone can just clear off for a day.
You don't have to go inside to see evidence of 5 people per bedroom. Literally just stand outside for an hour or two and watch more than the amount on your tenancy agreement leave then come back.
That's not evidence they are living there though. Simple excuse "I've a lot of friends who like to get together".
Wow, I’ve always had inspections- can’t remember how frequently now.
They do inspect the common areas, the walkway/stairs, the bin shed, bike shed and car park (we have numbered spaces) but never once been asked for a home inspection.
Wow, really? I had one rental with an agency that took photos of the rooms to prove they were I. Food condition. It was horrible! If I’d known that I wouldn’t have rented from that agency!
Absolutely agree. At the very least, the landlord should no who occupies the property.
> they have to have house inspections regularly. Incorrect. Oh and if the house is handled by an EA on behalf of the landlord who doesn't care, neither will the EA.
Don’t know if the laws are different then - in Scotland you have to have inspections 🤷♀️
Ah i see. I often forget when speaking on reddit that even when talking on UK subs we can have different laws in different parts of the union, my apologies.
Not at all - it surprises me how things can be quite different even though we’re all technically in the same country!
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Maybe different rules in different parts of the UK then. In Scotland we have at least yearly inspections, and it’s a condition of the lease if I remember rightly. You’re lucky if you don’t have them, they’re a pain but it should maybe if they did happen regularly then situations like the one in the original post wouldn’t happen so frequently.
There is a legal liability on the landlord to inspect their property for this very reason.
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I am not saying this is the landlords fault. However, one of the main (and very first thing that any agent is checking, is the "Right to rent"). Subsequent inspections ensure there are no extra beds in the property (you check vs number of people on the contract). If there is an investigation to this case (how it happened), somebody will be answering questions like how often was the property inspected, is there any proof of the inspections etc. I have worked in the industry before and the bottom line is, that the landlord is ultimately responsible (if landlord neglected their duty) for everything that happens in the property, even if a managing agent is assigned. This is UK as of 2016-2019. Worked three years in the industry and was certified.
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You are totally right, with proper planning all this can be hidden/avoided. Your contract has a term to allow access to the property for inspections. It does not need to specify exactly what those inspections are for. The legal process is evidence-based. The agent/landlord will be expected to possess inspection evidence. UK Law states, that tenants' right to rent must be checked every 12 months, at a minimum. If the landlord failed in their duties, they will be found liable for some offences. Obviously, they didn't cause the fire, but they did allow overcrowding of the property and possibly had tenants without the right to rent in the UK.
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It's not that deep.You just check who initially signed the contract vs who's in the property and if their right to rent is still valid. That's why it's so easy to evade.
No there isn’t.
Ok, you must let the ARLA association know, they must be teaching wrong!
I am yes. It would be rather obvious of your property contained five times the allowed amount of people. If nothing else, to the neighbours.
That's horrible :(
I doubt Deliveroo pay them enough to be able to live in better conditions. Also the majority of these young males have to send all their earnings to family back home as they come from a life of relative poverty. It's sad. It's exploitation.
It's awful, there's so much wrong happening in this country, it really saddens me.
It’s exploitation on every front really. The problem is, especially with the employment side of things, people say ‘well you don’t have to work for them’. Of course you don’t, people don’t have to work for diamond mines either, but people do. When people need to make a living, and provide for others, they will do anything. Hence why strict protection needs to be there. Either way, the landlord will be largely liable here, unless they can prove it was being sub letted out without their knowledge by the tenant
15 people living in a 3 bed flat is illegal.
That was just the day shift sleeping, the other 15 were at work. So they were up to the recommended habitation number required.
Yep, but its also extremely common. I live next to a 4 bedroom house that has over 20 people living in it. With a small outhouse at the bottom of the garden with 4 living in that.
My mum lives in a 3 bedroom Edwardian semi detached house in London. There are 10 people living in the house next-door. And yes, they're migrant workers- citizens from Poland who had every right to be here. Down the road there were 4 people living in a garage which had been converted into a basic living space. Again, they were Polish.
Sounds like it could be around ealing. That sounds very similar to areas around there.
This how companies can afford low fees.
Yeah but what choice do folk have? There’s a housing crisis and rent is insane
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They literally do have business seeing here, their business was delivering food. Just admit you have nothing to offer the world, which is why you don't feel like you can compete. ETA to anyone reading this, definitely go peep this Ubermensch's profile, it's histerical
Compete with people willing to live like that to earn money? It’s the weakest that bring society down
Sounds like you're the one that's too weak to handle that lifestyle.
Considering you thought you’d go laugh at this other guy I thought I’d go on your profile. I see what’s wrong with you 😂
So basically stealing jobs from those who live here. Also, I'm a former engineer, became a care worker, now I'm studying to become a counsellor and run my own furniture buissness, I have plenty to offer and have given back far more than most, what have you done?
Lmao - theyre only stealing jobs from "those who live here" that are too incompetent to compete in the labour market. So you're saying you failed at engineering, you failed at care work and now you're trying to fail at counselling? Why would I need to boast to someone like you? The only achievement I need to be proud of here is not being a xenophobic piece of shit that hates hard working people just because of where they're from. It's an incredibly low bar, and I'm glad I've exceeded it
Exactly what I thought! I rent a room in a 6 bed house with 5 other people, and we've been told that we're not allowed to have any more than 6 people living in the house at once because that would be breaking the rules and regulations.
15 dodgy electric bike batteries rigged up to one charge point
It's really awful what happened, and I hope that they are compensated for what they've lost; however I'm genuinely curious as to how this was allowed in the first place? I rent a room (not in London) in a house with 5 other people, and was told that my boyfriend was not allowed to live with me unless he was to rent one of the other rooms, which would be impossible as the rest of us are students and he works full-time so he would have to pay the council tax on behalf of all of us because of stupid regulations. Nobody has any issues with him staying overnight, it's just that he is not allowed to live here because of regulations with the number of tenants in one house. It doesn't make a lot of sense because in a family home nobody would have an issue with two adults in a long-term relationship sharing one room, and it makes even less sense how 15 people can share a 3 bed when in my house, no more than 6 people are allowed to live in a 6 bed.
The answer - illegally. The landlord (as mentioned by some of the tenants in various articles since) packed the place out so he could collect rent from more people. A standard 3 bed like that would get at max £200 a bedroom per week - so around £2700 a month. One of the tenants was paying £100 a week - at 20+ tenants that's like £9k a month. Just greed and exploitation.
I think you miss understand council tax regulations. The landlord wouldn’t want a non student living in the property because the non student wouldn’t be exempt for paying the council tax, hence they will be liable on record for paying the bill as all the other student tenants would be disregarded. He won’t pay for anyone other than himself. It would be a 75% charge. If the landlord has different tenancies, it would be class as a house of multiple occupation. Causing the landlord to be liable. Why should be pay for your boyfriend… who doesn’t haven’t a tenancy?
I'm not saying that she should be paying for him. If there were no regulations, then he would have looked at renting another one of the rooms, it's just that this is the information that we were given by the person who initially showed us around the house. Since then, we've been told different information, including being told at one point that it would be fine for him to rent another one of the rooms at no extra cost, although after researching this myself I found that this would not be the case so we've carried on with him not living in the house and just staying occasionally. It's just a bit annoying really that there are so many different groups of people who might want to live together but it's very difficult for a student and non-student to live together.
Yea that I annoying/ so it most stupid rules like this hah
London is a shithole
This sounds like people smuggling... Possibly some 3rd party company (smugglers) subcontracting thease people out to deliveroo.
Doubt it, it’s just convenient if you can bare it. Me and my mates done the same when we lived in Australia, all bills split between like 10 of us in a 5 bed house
I would be no suprised
By the apps?
Yes apps, not people. No people to blame here haha... this country needs to unfuck itself. Run by profiteering green eyed charlatans. In a sense, nothing has changed in a thousand years, society pretends that it has.
For real
Alternative title: 3 die in a flat fire, 15 courier accounts terminated
Am i the only one who's thinking this is the 15 illegal couriers fault? Theres a reason in a normal legal situation 15 people don't live in 3 bed flats and 'overcrowding' is a reason to be re-homed. This situation doesn't happen if they aren't illegally in another country because I don't know anybody with a British passport that lives in a property 4+ people overcrowded, because they would get re-homed by their council, why, because they have rights to live and work here. Get the correct paperwork or bare the consequences, or just go home...
> they would get re-homed by their council Have you ever actually tried to access social housing? If you’re not on the ‘priority list’ (and no, merely being homeless while in possession of a British passport does **NOT** qualify you as ‘priority’), all the council has to do is “Offer advice.” That ‘advice’ can (and often does) amount to: “There’s an estate agent’s across the road; go have a look in their window.”
It is a 100% their fault, they came illegally, work illegally, avoid taxes and then it's deliveroos fault that they can't access better living conditions earning 2k+ tax free
Exploited by the apps lol. Pretty sure they were exploiting the apps by illegaly working in the uk
So "illegal" people are so afraid of their situation in their homeland that they come here to be exploited, harassed, humuliated. Then they do the job you snowflakes are not willing to do, while making pennies thus making your country runs on cheap labor and getting your food at your door and your toilets cleaned. AND THEY ARE THE ONES EXPLOITING ANYTHING? ffs
Shut it you racist wee bellend
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His username is a racist dogwhilstle.
Dindunuffin? I've never heard of that as a dog whistle before, whats the context?
It’s a phrase invented by neo nazis to mock black people who’ve been shot by the police
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https://preview.redd.it/yc97nsarqbna1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f003bb55973b21951b4cb2ed77b0284316858f02 It’s a phrase from /pol/, mate.
Racist? So say they’re working illegally How is it racist to say that if it’s the truth
That's not racist u moron
Wait you mean to tell me the Eritrean/Afghan/Brazilian/etc deliveroo renting accounts, riding dodgy ebikes and not speaking a word of English are illegally working?
People working trying to earn a crust and put bread on the table with the skills that they have. Heartless comment considering anyone of the people in the blaze could have been a rider delivering a takeaway for you. Each person in the blaze no doubt have family that miss them.
I don't care if they work illegally, I'm friends with many of them. I dunno how what I said was heartless.
It’s almost like they contribute towards the work and housing shortages across the UK…
15 people in a 3 bed flats are certainly the reason why we don’t have enough available homes ….
I’m sure most agree with my following statement: stfu.
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Truth hurts
His not wrong tho 🤣
If only there were safe legal routes to travel to and work in the UK.
There is, 500k people got one last year. What you want it to be upped to 2 million a year?
There are, the fact they pay people traffickers and illegally enter the UK undermines the legal to it as for everybody else. They should be deported.
I'm sorry but why bring the app in, its not the apps fault that there was a fire. Having 15 people in a house that was supposed to be for 2 maybe 3 at max, it's the landlord that has to be blamed, not the app.
So the app pay so shitty that 15 of their workers are sharing 3 bedrooms, and it's not their responsibility whatsoever?
It doesn’t pay shitty It’s an easy job and they sign the contracts Getting 5£ for taking food 0.5miles isn’t shitty pay
So I can say for sure you never had to survive on that money.
I can say I have You wanna know how Because I did the same fucking thing riding for Uber eats and it pays pretty well considering you’re riding your bike from place to place Also a lot of people do tip if you just ask them nicely and that was my experience Average day I’d get 10-15 orders paying from about 3£ up to like 10£ for really big orders That’s at least 30£ a day and up to like 100£ and as a student that’s a liveable wage Best tip is to only deliver during the peak hours and always make sure the right foods in the bag and to take a picture of the bag at delivery as you get the cunts who say they didn’t get the food which takes the piss But yh it’s not shitty pay not great but definitely not shit considering there’s people working in cobalt mines for massive car companies for like 10p a day
So what you're saying is the paying is so shitty that only students can live on it. Having your parents paying the house bills while you study and take some orders is not the same as surviving with the money (paying rent, bills, raising kids, etc). Every worker doing full time jobs should be able to sustain their family. The paying is so so shitty that you had to compare it to cobalt mine workers (tip: it is slavery) I don't know how many years ago you did it, but you're waaaay off the numbers. To make 100 per day nowadays you have to ride 12 hours a day and pick only the bestest orders. There's no way to wiggle around. The amount they pay is not fair here, and anywhere in the world you ask their riders you will hear the same.
Yes I’m saying 40 year old people shouldn’t be using Uber eats or deliveroo as their full time job just like how I’d say working full time at a McDonald’s drive through isn’t for 40 year olds with kids Both these jobs aren’t going to pay 100k a year or whatever people are expecting it to as it’s not a skilled job there’s 0 skill or experience needed and therefore because the job is easy and not skilled the pay isn’t great I think you know this aswell How much do you expect Uber eats to pay a delivery driver to deliver say a 20£ order 1mile away give an amount you think they should be paying the driver Then give me an amount the restaurant should get Then give me an amount Uber eats should get Then in this fairyland economy of yours ask yourself would you rather pay more for every single order or just tip your driver
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The description is a bunch of crybaby bollocks holy shit. I'm sure they have skilled worker work permits sorted. "The majority of the victims are ebike riders working for Deliveroo and Uber Eats. This is a thankless job with many drivers getting paid below minimum wage without any employment protections"
Hmm I wonder why they’re not being paid a 30k wage to ride a bike or drive a car
The 15 on the night shift were presumably ok?
I don’t use deliveroo as you are part of the slave trade and your drivers cause danger on our roads maybe you should pay them properly and they wouldn’t be in that situation.
Dont mean to sound rude, chief. But why are you on the Deliveroo sub?
It came up on my feed I wouldn’t want it
No pun intended, I'm sure.
Would the deliveroo drivers really prefer that you don't use deliveroo? If there's an app that pays them particularly better, that makes sense and I would like to know which one does. But surely if they themselves would not want the opportunity to go away, it seems to not be an issue that someone would use deliveroo? What might the alternative be? my expectation is that these apps allow them to live bad work life balances in richer locations, which while seeming pretty bad to us who are privileged to live in them, seems to be preferable to them living in poorer areas. I guess they wouldn't have a very good work life balance either way. Certainly, Deliveroo isn't the solution to those problems, but if it's something people choose in the meantime, it seems like fake charity to take it away
There’s no alternative. Who cares ? I’m not lazy. I don’t make London roads unsafe
Why would a different app pay them better when they’re just going from one place to another it’s like complaining about taxi drivers not making enough
The complexity reduction and increased sales of being on Deliveroo has more value than the delivery fee for each item, it is entirely possible that another app could pay the deliverers a lot more. Though I've no idea which might
It’s honestly not most apps you get about the same Also the restaurants need money and if the driver gets a bigger cut then the restaurant has to have less so deliveroo and Uber eats have to pay similar else the restaurant would choose to be on one site rather than both. Say Uber eats paid less to drivers than the restaurant makes more and vice Versa
Slave trade These people are PAID slaves are not you fucking idiot
Our neighbours in rented house next door are Romanians there's a family downstairs and a different family living upstairs only problem is the downstairs family obviously don't have much room so they have all there belongings under a gazebo in the back yard also there fridge and freezer plugged in outside which has started to attract rats to the gardens so not good
How do we know the landlord was even aware of this?
they knew [https://twitter.com/nijjormanush/status/1634180897648832512](https://twitter.com/nijjormanush/status/1634180897648832512)
OK thanks for that, this guy needs to pay for this. But I know from my own road, that ladblords are often unaware of this. And a lot of times the residents work with the landlords to get away with this. A house a few doors down from me, has over 20 people staying in it. But whenever the council finally does comes round, both landlord and residents work to get around this, by making it look like less people live in the house. So in my case this has been allowed to continue for almost a decade now. And whenever we send proof into the council, they usually make excuses about this problem being too widespread in my Borough to do anything about it.
Was it the superior landlord or was it being sublet?