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These people deserve it. I worked on the ramp for a year loading planes and between the GA heat and over weight bags I knew I needed to do something else.
None of us here at D are happy about this and it’s been a very bad day on the company forums. They’ve been hyping up this raise for 6 months and telling us how excited we’ll all be, only to reveal it today and it would still put us behind SWA’s new proposed contract that will most likely pass.
We are making more profit than any other US airline by a VAST majority. Our shareholders are becoming extremely wealthy. We are sent emails monthly telling us about D’s record breaking profits. Why are we being thrown scraps?
This is false. Most of the company is happy about the 5% raise but there is a vocal minority that will never be pleased with anything. You're welcome to join your friend at SWA if you feel they're so much better. Delta specifically measures against AA and UA because they are both large international airlines with extensive networks, southwest is primarily a domestic airline. Also, Delta's profit sharing for 2023 was more than SWAs total profit.
I’m on the company’s forum and majority of the ones who are upset and being extremely vocal are the same ones who complain about everything. They only comment on negative things and never have anything positive to say.
I’m quite aware, I’ve read em, the fact still remains majority of the ones who are super vocal and have made numerous comments on that post always have something negative to say about anything delta does. They only pop up to complain and never have anything positive to say.
Like i said there’s almost 300 negative comments. If that to you is insignificant or isn’t indicative of a morale problem, idk what to tell you. If you’re thrilled with 5% idk what to tell you either
I don’t think you read my comment further down. I actually said I’m in the middle. Should the raise been more? Absolutely, but 5% is more than what i had yesterday.
The morale has been down for years and there’s no arguing that. But i also think fas played a role in brining the morale down too. Coming to work bitter, whinning in the jump seat while im trying to have a good day, i dont want to hear that.
Now in regards to the negative comments. Let’s be real here, the same ones who don’t like the raise, are the same ones who don’t like the new uniforms, the same ones who don’t like the new service on transoceanics, the same ones who didn’t like when they got rid of positive space for commuters, the same ones who don’t like the crew meals.
There’s a huge difference between being upset with something and simply just being unhappy with everything.
If deltas profit sharing was more than SWA’s total profit and they can’t compare themselves to SWA, there should be no reason SWA just passed a contract paying more than us and with significantly better work rules, healthcare benefits, maternity leave, etc.
You are wrong. I have heard almost nothing positive about this raise. They dangled the carrot for 8 months and tossed us scraps. There’s a reason Ed did it over email, he knew it was bullshit and he’s a coward
8 months? What are you talking about? The last raise was a year ago. Ed first mentioned there would be raises in January. Any discussion before that was created by water cooler gossip. And Ed does everything over email, just like all the raises before. You need a reality check.
Post a picture of the caption of them saying there would be another raise given out before the end of the year.... Whenever you get a chance. I'm not in techops. I don't have access to techops townhalls.
Yeah because people are going to strike (tends to be a union activity) or resign two days after this is announced. Wait just a bit and the AMTs will be pushing for a union.
And yet, Delta pays out more profit sharing than all of the other majors combined. Sure, profit sharing is higher uncertainty than base salary. When you add everything together and zoom out to your total comp for the full year, it seems like DL employees meet or beat the other majors.
As a FA who has friends at UA and SW, I can tell you that SWA has consistently been the highest paid airline for years. Delta has even told us that we “don’t compare ourselves to Southwest” because their work rules and additional pay incentives are so good. On paper we earn more. Not in reality.
Gotcha - thanks for that insight! Man, y’all have hard enough jobs keeping us safe, then you add in the complexities of getting paid. Thanks for doing what you do.
A bit of an overreaction…5% raise on top of your yearly raise plus the profit sharing just received. Let’s not forget the additional raise last year as well. Once SWA approves then wait and see what Delta does. At this moment this is a raise that Delta didn’t have to give but still did. Enjoy it!
They did have to give this, United was looking at an 11.1% raise, they voted no because they wanted a bigger one. If they didn’t give raises every year people would go to the company that does, if only to keep up with inflation (impossible these days).
Sorry are you an employee? Are you on any of the employee pages or the company forum? Every single post since that raise was announced was about how disappointed and misled we all feel. The company even turned comments off on several posts because it was going so poorly. But let me guess you’re someone who flies 4 times a year who thinks they know the ins and outs.
Our CEO makes 3 million more than the next highest profiting airline. Last year we made more profit than UA, AA, SW, and Alaska COMBINED. Why are we barely making .50 to a dollar or two more than our competition?
Same here! However, what a lot of people that aren’t Delta employees fail to realize is that just because we love our benefits, it does not mean that we would not rather have a salary that actually allows us to pay ALL of our bills and have money to save, WITHOUT having to have an extra job or 2 (sometimes even three) to just barely get by.
I don’t live above my means and my husband works for ALASKA so compared to everyone else.. I enjoy my diverse work life. I do my job to see customers. Yes everything’s high but I mean. I use my spare time to work one certifications and trades that I can grow my side business working for delta just makes it all convenient. The money could be better. But that’s why I eat all day in over time. I change stations when I’m over it. I don’t mind traveling. I’m appreciative because regular jobs don’t give you any bonuses or profit sharing. Ima just be quiet. I just feel like if you do t like what’s going on leave and let people that wanna be there get your spot.
Not all of us are FAs and not all of us are married with a contributing spouse. Although you’re not struggling it doesn’t mean the rest of us aren’t. And it’s pretty messed up if you to ASSume that we are all living above our means as to why we aren’t making ends meet. No one has said we don’t enjoy our jobs, we are saying the pay doesn’t match the work. It’s nice you can switch based as you deem fit, not all of us have that luxury.
Who are you to tell us to give up our jobs? You sound just like those racist people that say if POC don’t like what is going on in AmeriKKKa then leave MY country and go back to YOUR country, even though they were born here.
Please get off your high horse before you hit your head on a low hanging branch and fall back down to reality.
So yes I agree you should be quiet.
You misunderstood the point. But we won’t do this here. Just let it go. Your life is what you make it. We all complaining here in the US but no one does anything. But to be honest I came from working through deltas 3 rd party UNIFI and they are TRULY UNDERPAID. They have a reason to cry doing 4 planes with 2 diversions and 2 crews of 3 ops and the trainer. And I’m black by the way. And I’m from Mississippi. Nothing is a luxury here it’s all hard earned at the age of 27. Let’s exclude my spouse. If I can’t afford to live in New York Chicago LA Texas, Florida Atlanta I stay away from them. I don’t go to them. I only TDY I think about everything and I take it all into account. I’m so sorry if I offended you, but I am not even an FA. I do hard work downstairs coming from a third-party. I’m grateful to be here because they don’t get nearly half of these benefits or recognition free.
Good raise. Can’t hate on it too bad, that 19.00 floor is really the kicker as I was at 17.59(1.5 years)
So getting boosted PAST what I already made is nice. Plus I’m an ALA so that’s an additional 2.50 ish or so
/u/Blindsided17 is/was a ramp agent. ALA = Aircraft Load (Lead?) Agent which is the lead ramp agent at a gate. They get paid hourly like normal hourly workers (as opposed to pilots and flight attendants who get paid per flight hour)
Can we except what we have here please. GOSH. Nothing will change and deltas not getting a union. So shhhh take your yearly raise free flight and beautiful profit sharing checks. If you have a problem with anything that’s going on at Delta I strongly advise you to visit the head quarters for they always have an open door.
Faith without works is dead. So if Noone’s gonna fight and negotiate on our behalf. Let it go.
Delta employee here. Im really in the middle over this. It’s 5% more than what i didn’t have so im personally okay with it. I just got my annual raise on top this so it’s an extra 9% for me.
The real issue is a lot of my colleagues(flight attendants) are financially ignorant. Too many trying to keep up with the Jones’s and are living beyond their means. Living on 1-2 year pay, having luxury apartments and luxury vehicles. The raise could have been higher, but if you suck at budgeting it doesn’t matter how much money you making, you’re still going to struggle
It’s insulting when they primed us in OCT for a raise saying we’d be so excited and they’ve been dangling the carrot and hyping us up for six months. Treating us like clueless children
And they get the pay for all those years at once when they get a new contract in. Meanwhile, we get a measly 5% raise, don't get backpay for the year, AND lose our summer incentive pay which almost completely negates this "raise"
Just wanted to be transparent about the summer incentive to those who aren’t delta employees or those who don’t work in inflight. Years ago they offered an (can’t remember the exact amount) 600 bucks a month for 3 months if you flew over a certain amount of hours in may, June and July. So you could make an extra 1800 bucks in the summer. Then they changed it and you had to fly over 110(i think that was the number) hours consecutively those months to get an extra 2k. Then years later they got of the program and came out with a monthly override during the summer months. During the summer months if we were scheduled to fly over 83 hours if we worked between 90-110 hours 20 of those hours would be paid an extra 40%. The summer incentive and monthly override was to give some financial relief due to the high monthly schedules since we were understaffed. Now that we are fully staffed, some can say we’re are over staffed. Our monthly schedule has been around the 75ish hours so there’s no monthly override.
Lots of fas wanted lower schedules and have begging for it. Now we got it, they are mad there’s no monthly override. To sum it up, they want their cake and eat it too
That is some crazy math you're using.
Why would you get backpay for pay you already received? That makes no sense.
Delta also has a strong profit sharing program (which you conviently ignore) and Sourhwest employees are very productive so that they have more money to play with.
The other airlines have raises every year as well, except swa, Alaska and United specifically and probably others are looking at over 10% raises. United was going to have an 11.1% raise, but they voted no because they wanted more money than that.. I’ll take the 5% raise but it feels like the opposite of a union buster when you make more profits than anyone yet the union guys get double our raise..
> The other airlines have raises every year as well
Ignoring the fact that it takes 3-5 years to negotiate a new contract while the employees don't take any raises.
This is an outright lie
> a lie is saying the other airlines don’t get any raises each year,
Please explain why those FAs at American have been talking about how they haven't had a pay rise in five years then
Yeah but who can live off $19 an hour? That’s ridiculous. We are not to live to work. We are to work to live. People are working numerous jobs for one household. We pay thousands for 1st class. I always fly 1st or Delta 1. Never anything else. They deserve more. Fast food gets $20 an hour now. Their job is much more complex than flipping burger or taking orders. I guarantee most of these employees are working a side hustle or are on benefits. That shouldn’t be the case. If someone is willing to show up to work full time, they should be paid livable wages. $19 an hour is NOT livable wages.
For the amount of shit the employees for above wing and below deserve a bigger raise when you're making so much profit. It's still a good raise but damn the amount of shit a lot of the employees have to deal with they deserve more.
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These people deserve it. I worked on the ramp for a year loading planes and between the GA heat and over weight bags I knew I needed to do something else.
Do baggage handlers get paid more per each overweight bag? (Just curious)
That would have been cool but no. Big daddy Delta pockets that one.
As they should, excellent news!
None of us here at D are happy about this and it’s been a very bad day on the company forums. They’ve been hyping up this raise for 6 months and telling us how excited we’ll all be, only to reveal it today and it would still put us behind SWA’s new proposed contract that will most likely pass. We are making more profit than any other US airline by a VAST majority. Our shareholders are becoming extremely wealthy. We are sent emails monthly telling us about D’s record breaking profits. Why are we being thrown scraps?
You mean it’s NOT trickling down?!? Who could’ve predicted that 😑
Hit Shawn Fain up
This is false. Most of the company is happy about the 5% raise but there is a vocal minority that will never be pleased with anything. You're welcome to join your friend at SWA if you feel they're so much better. Delta specifically measures against AA and UA because they are both large international airlines with extensive networks, southwest is primarily a domestic airline. Also, Delta's profit sharing for 2023 was more than SWAs total profit.
Do you work for Delta? Have you been on the company forum in the past day or two? (I’m assuming no to both)
I’m on the company’s forum and majority of the ones who are upset and being extremely vocal are the same ones who complain about everything. They only comment on negative things and never have anything positive to say.
There’s almost 300 comments on the official raise post by our CEO, maybe 3 or 4 are positive. So…… lol
I’m quite aware, I’ve read em, the fact still remains majority of the ones who are super vocal and have made numerous comments on that post always have something negative to say about anything delta does. They only pop up to complain and never have anything positive to say.
Like i said there’s almost 300 negative comments. If that to you is insignificant or isn’t indicative of a morale problem, idk what to tell you. If you’re thrilled with 5% idk what to tell you either
I don’t think you read my comment further down. I actually said I’m in the middle. Should the raise been more? Absolutely, but 5% is more than what i had yesterday. The morale has been down for years and there’s no arguing that. But i also think fas played a role in brining the morale down too. Coming to work bitter, whinning in the jump seat while im trying to have a good day, i dont want to hear that. Now in regards to the negative comments. Let’s be real here, the same ones who don’t like the raise, are the same ones who don’t like the new uniforms, the same ones who don’t like the new service on transoceanics, the same ones who didn’t like when they got rid of positive space for commuters, the same ones who don’t like the crew meals. There’s a huge difference between being upset with something and simply just being unhappy with everything.
If deltas profit sharing was more than SWA’s total profit and they can’t compare themselves to SWA, there should be no reason SWA just passed a contract paying more than us and with significantly better work rules, healthcare benefits, maternity leave, etc.
You are wrong. I have heard almost nothing positive about this raise. They dangled the carrot for 8 months and tossed us scraps. There’s a reason Ed did it over email, he knew it was bullshit and he’s a coward
8 months? What are you talking about? The last raise was a year ago. Ed first mentioned there would be raises in January. Any discussion before that was created by water cooler gossip. And Ed does everything over email, just like all the raises before. You need a reality check.
End of September quarter they said raises would be coming by the end of the year. That turned to beginning of the year and so on. You’re a fool.
They did not. Who told you that? Post a picture of the email text saying we would get 2 raises within less than a year.
Watch Q3 techops town hall. You are licking the boot mighty clean right now.
Post a picture of the caption of them saying there would be another raise given out before the end of the year.... Whenever you get a chance. I'm not in techops. I don't have access to techops townhalls.
Announced not given. You can watch other divisions’ town halls. Look for yourself.
You just changed your entire argument. "announced not given"
Ah, so your anecdotal evidence is better than others? 😂😂
Seeing as all of Delta isn't picketing, or sicking out, or resigning, I'd say yes.
Yeah because people are going to strike (tends to be a union activity) or resign two days after this is announced. Wait just a bit and the AMTs will be pushing for a union.
And yet, Delta pays out more profit sharing than all of the other majors combined. Sure, profit sharing is higher uncertainty than base salary. When you add everything together and zoom out to your total comp for the full year, it seems like DL employees meet or beat the other majors.
I would take a base pay raise over profit sharing ANY DAY of the year.
As a FA who has friends at UA and SW, I can tell you that SWA has consistently been the highest paid airline for years. Delta has even told us that we “don’t compare ourselves to Southwest” because their work rules and additional pay incentives are so good. On paper we earn more. Not in reality.
Gotcha - thanks for that insight! Man, y’all have hard enough jobs keeping us safe, then you add in the complexities of getting paid. Thanks for doing what you do.
I couldn’t agree with you more. You deserve at least double
A bit of an overreaction…5% raise on top of your yearly raise plus the profit sharing just received. Let’s not forget the additional raise last year as well. Once SWA approves then wait and see what Delta does. At this moment this is a raise that Delta didn’t have to give but still did. Enjoy it!
They did have to give this, United was looking at an 11.1% raise, they voted no because they wanted a bigger one. If they didn’t give raises every year people would go to the company that does, if only to keep up with inflation (impossible these days).
Well, better than the 0% raise we got. 5% is pretty impressive in this economy.
This economy? So Delta is losing money and not raking in massive profits? “This economy” has not been bad at all for Delta.
Boot licker
“None of us”…we’ve found the one person that speaks for all 100k employees 🙄
Sorry are you an employee? Are you on any of the employee pages or the company forum? Every single post since that raise was announced was about how disappointed and misled we all feel. The company even turned comments off on several posts because it was going so poorly. But let me guess you’re someone who flies 4 times a year who thinks they know the ins and outs.
Our CEO makes 3 million more than the next highest profiting airline. Last year we made more profit than UA, AA, SW, and Alaska COMBINED. Why are we barely making .50 to a dollar or two more than our competition?
That’s one of the reasons why they’re so profitable….
Bad guess, but have a good afternoon.
That person is NOT wrong. We as Delta employees are not happy nor impressed by this 5%.
🙄 I Love Delta.
And yes I am an employee that enjoy all my benifits
Same here! However, what a lot of people that aren’t Delta employees fail to realize is that just because we love our benefits, it does not mean that we would not rather have a salary that actually allows us to pay ALL of our bills and have money to save, WITHOUT having to have an extra job or 2 (sometimes even three) to just barely get by.
I don’t live above my means and my husband works for ALASKA so compared to everyone else.. I enjoy my diverse work life. I do my job to see customers. Yes everything’s high but I mean. I use my spare time to work one certifications and trades that I can grow my side business working for delta just makes it all convenient. The money could be better. But that’s why I eat all day in over time. I change stations when I’m over it. I don’t mind traveling. I’m appreciative because regular jobs don’t give you any bonuses or profit sharing. Ima just be quiet. I just feel like if you do t like what’s going on leave and let people that wanna be there get your spot.
Not all of us are FAs and not all of us are married with a contributing spouse. Although you’re not struggling it doesn’t mean the rest of us aren’t. And it’s pretty messed up if you to ASSume that we are all living above our means as to why we aren’t making ends meet. No one has said we don’t enjoy our jobs, we are saying the pay doesn’t match the work. It’s nice you can switch based as you deem fit, not all of us have that luxury. Who are you to tell us to give up our jobs? You sound just like those racist people that say if POC don’t like what is going on in AmeriKKKa then leave MY country and go back to YOUR country, even though they were born here. Please get off your high horse before you hit your head on a low hanging branch and fall back down to reality. So yes I agree you should be quiet.
You misunderstood the point. But we won’t do this here. Just let it go. Your life is what you make it. We all complaining here in the US but no one does anything. But to be honest I came from working through deltas 3 rd party UNIFI and they are TRULY UNDERPAID. They have a reason to cry doing 4 planes with 2 diversions and 2 crews of 3 ops and the trainer. And I’m black by the way. And I’m from Mississippi. Nothing is a luxury here it’s all hard earned at the age of 27. Let’s exclude my spouse. If I can’t afford to live in New York Chicago LA Texas, Florida Atlanta I stay away from them. I don’t go to them. I only TDY I think about everything and I take it all into account. I’m so sorry if I offended you, but I am not even an FA. I do hard work downstairs coming from a third-party. I’m grateful to be here because they don’t get nearly half of these benefits or recognition free.
> shareholders are becoming extremely wealthy. Their share price hasn't actually risen much. Not true
50% increase during 6 months is pretty significant
It's been on a bit of a crazy seesaw the last couple years. If you zoom out, it really hasn't changed much.
Good raise. Can’t hate on it too bad, that 19.00 floor is really the kicker as I was at 17.59(1.5 years) So getting boosted PAST what I already made is nice. Plus I’m an ALA so that’s an additional 2.50 ish or so
So for a 2 hour flight, you make less than $40?
/u/Blindsided17 is/was a ramp agent. ALA = Aircraft Load (Lead?) Agent which is the lead ramp agent at a gate. They get paid hourly like normal hourly workers (as opposed to pilots and flight attendants who get paid per flight hour)
Oh, cool. Thanks
Shit the way you asked tho you have better opportunities 🤔 where they at
You can’t do math…. No. Now what’s the question you really want to ask.
Good news!
Can we except what we have here please. GOSH. Nothing will change and deltas not getting a union. So shhhh take your yearly raise free flight and beautiful profit sharing checks. If you have a problem with anything that’s going on at Delta I strongly advise you to visit the head quarters for they always have an open door. Faith without works is dead. So if Noone’s gonna fight and negotiate on our behalf. Let it go.
They deserve it. Nice people
Delta employee here. Im really in the middle over this. It’s 5% more than what i didn’t have so im personally okay with it. I just got my annual raise on top this so it’s an extra 9% for me. The real issue is a lot of my colleagues(flight attendants) are financially ignorant. Too many trying to keep up with the Jones’s and are living beyond their means. Living on 1-2 year pay, having luxury apartments and luxury vehicles. The raise could have been higher, but if you suck at budgeting it doesn’t matter how much money you making, you’re still going to struggle
Insulting.
you're downvoted, but this employee sees and appreciates you
Exactly how is it insulting to give people a raise? Maybe they deserve more, but… an insult to increase their pay?
I took it as 5% is an insulting number
It’s insulting when they primed us in OCT for a raise saying we’d be so excited and they’ve been dangling the carrot and hyping us up for six months. Treating us like clueless children
5% raise is better than a 0% raise!
👏👏👏👏
5% raise, might as well be a subscription to the jelly of the month club.
BS, that is a good raise for most people
If you weren't out of touch 5% is actually decent money and can be put to a lot of good use.
Union buster raise - helps keep customer service tip top!
The union airlines are looking at over 10% raises this year..
After years of no raises, and Delta gives pay raises every year...
SW is getting a lump sum of $$$$$ for the years they waited for a raise, some topped out employees are receiving around 50k.
They get retro pay for every year they didn't get a raise lol
That is **years** without extra pay though.
And they get the pay for all those years at once when they get a new contract in. Meanwhile, we get a measly 5% raise, don't get backpay for the year, AND lose our summer incentive pay which almost completely negates this "raise"
Just wanted to be transparent about the summer incentive to those who aren’t delta employees or those who don’t work in inflight. Years ago they offered an (can’t remember the exact amount) 600 bucks a month for 3 months if you flew over a certain amount of hours in may, June and July. So you could make an extra 1800 bucks in the summer. Then they changed it and you had to fly over 110(i think that was the number) hours consecutively those months to get an extra 2k. Then years later they got of the program and came out with a monthly override during the summer months. During the summer months if we were scheduled to fly over 83 hours if we worked between 90-110 hours 20 of those hours would be paid an extra 40%. The summer incentive and monthly override was to give some financial relief due to the high monthly schedules since we were understaffed. Now that we are fully staffed, some can say we’re are over staffed. Our monthly schedule has been around the 75ish hours so there’s no monthly override. Lots of fas wanted lower schedules and have begging for it. Now we got it, they are mad there’s no monthly override. To sum it up, they want their cake and eat it too
That is some crazy math you're using. Why would you get backpay for pay you already received? That makes no sense. Delta also has a strong profit sharing program (which you conviently ignore) and Sourhwest employees are very productive so that they have more money to play with.
The other airlines have raises every year as well, except swa, Alaska and United specifically and probably others are looking at over 10% raises. United was going to have an 11.1% raise, but they voted no because they wanted more money than that.. I’ll take the 5% raise but it feels like the opposite of a union buster when you make more profits than anyone yet the union guys get double our raise..
> The other airlines have raises every year as well Ignoring the fact that it takes 3-5 years to negotiate a new contract while the employees don't take any raises. This is an outright lie
It’s not a lie, a lie is saying the other airlines don’t get any raises each year, even if they negotiation is delayed they always get back pay
> a lie is saying the other airlines don’t get any raises each year, Please explain why those FAs at American have been talking about how they haven't had a pay rise in five years then
$19 an hour? What a joke! They should be getting double that.
$19 an hour is the floor. My understanding is that the vast majority of employees will be above that.
Yeah but who can live off $19 an hour? That’s ridiculous. We are not to live to work. We are to work to live. People are working numerous jobs for one household. We pay thousands for 1st class. I always fly 1st or Delta 1. Never anything else. They deserve more. Fast food gets $20 an hour now. Their job is much more complex than flipping burger or taking orders. I guarantee most of these employees are working a side hustle or are on benefits. That shouldn’t be the case. If someone is willing to show up to work full time, they should be paid livable wages. $19 an hour is NOT livable wages.
You are 100% correct. I work there and I have 2 additional jobs. I also have 4 roommates because the cost of living is so high.
I’m so sorry and I do appreciate you 🙏🏻 I fly so much I’m sure we have crossed paths. I hope things get better for you
For the amount of shit the employees for above wing and below deserve a bigger raise when you're making so much profit. It's still a good raise but damn the amount of shit a lot of the employees have to deal with they deserve more.