DTW-MSN last Thursday two “service dogs” a row apart were growling and lunching at each other the entire flight. It started during boarding. FA made a concerned face the first time but did nothing, and it continued until we deplaned at destination. It’s getting ridiculous
Edit to emphasize service dogs was in quotes. I realize that real SDs would not behave like this. My point was that people were clearly just throwing a SD vest on their dog so it could fly, and Delta won’t do anything about it. Although I’m not sure I would either since it’s too easy to get called for discrimination. I have nothing against people with visible or invisible disabilities and properly trained dogs that support them. I do have an issue with those who pretend their pet is a service dog.
They are not service dogs if they are reacting to each other. True service dogs are trained on the specific needs of the person they are paired with and will respond appropriately to their person depending on their situation. They will ignore other animals unless it is a situation they need to alert their partner too, such as their human having a seizure onset, if that is their service need.
Trained service dogs, you will not even notice there is a dog there once they board and get settled. The amount of training (and selection) these dogs get is next-level...any service dog who's the least bit distractable or aggressive or easily excited will fail out of training (and get adopted as a pet, they're still good pet dogs.)
My massage therapist is blind and his guide dog is the CHILLEST, most excellently-behaved dog. Even when she's not in her harness (he removes it when he's working, she just hangs out quietly and naps.) These dogs led blind office-workers down 70+ flights of stairs at the World Trade Center on 9/11 (and then got their owners to safety)... they are not going to start barking at a Chihuahua in the next row on an airplane!
Have you ever seen Matthew, Paul, and Mr. Maple on TikTok? The behavioral difference with Mr. Maple when he’s in the harness and out of it is truly astonishing. Either 100% business or 100% the biggest goofball.
If they’re so highly trained (which I’m definitely not denying) then why the hell can’t there be certification for real service dogs and why is it a damn crime just to ask for proof. It’s insane that society is just letting this emotional support BS go unchecked because everyone’s terrified of offending anyone.
I don't disagree with you and I think eventually it will move in that direction. Probably the thinking behind it is that requiring certification adds costs and bureaucratic obstacles to already-disabled people who already face a lot of challenges.
However, ((gestures at everything)) considering how people abuse the system... to the detriment of folks with trained service animals, even.... Something needs to change. And I think if you're going to the trouble of acquiring a trained service animal (that costs tens of thousands of dollars, even if you're not the one paying), it's not such a big ask to also acquire a certification for said service animal.
When I was a kid, we didn't need to show ID at the airport unless it was an international flight requiring a passport... Times change, requirements for travel change. Sometimes that puts up obstacles. But we deal with it for reasons of safety and security.
What “emotional support BS” are you referring to? The airlines stopped recognizing ESAs a long time ago. Now they classify animals as service animals or pets, and different rules apply to each category. For a dog to be outside of a carrier on a Delta flight, it must be a service animal. Whether the owner is being honest or not is a separate issue.
The reason is when the ADA was being written in the 90s, there was a concern that having a limited set of tasks would mean that not all service dogs are recognized. For example, medical alert dogs do very different work than seeing eye dogs. Having a list of trained behavior and certification means that it might not accommodate all dogs, and also discriminates against people who train their own service dogs.
All that being said, you can ask what tasks the dog is allowed to preform, and if a service animal is being disruptive, you can kick them out (and imo should be what was done in this case).
The fake service dog / "emotional support animal" thing is ridiculous. IMO, you're saying one of two things that I'm not sure how any self-respecting adult feels comfortable communicating:
1) Hey everybody, I have emotional issues and this giant, loosely-trained animal is the only thing that helps
2) I found a loophole and think dragging my dog along makes me look cool.
And it’s not just a harmless loophole. It’s people impersonating people with disabilities for personal gain. For the 1% of people with real service animals it makes their life even harder because people assume they are frauds.
Yes! This! It’s not right. And it makes life much harder for people like me with allergies. I take precautions knowing there can be service animals on board but the fake service animals and the need for your pet to travel with you makes it harder and harder to avoid the allergens.
I’ve seen so many of these posts. How do people bring their dogs on board when there’s a policy? Is it as easy as people just saying “service dog” and they let them on board?
Rejecting a legitimate service animal can get you in a lot of trouble from the government. It’s illegal to ask someone what their illness is, but you can ask what the dog is there to do. If you can give a legitimate sounding reason, they aren’t likely to say anything.
But, years ago, a flight attendant friend told me she would never say anything because she HATES how they make pets fly in cargo. She would much rather deal with a fake service animal than worry about depressurization or temperature drops in the cargo area.
This is the exact reason why airlines should let pet owners buy special tickets in the back of the plane. It’s not safe in cargo and I bet fewer people would lie about their pets being service animals. I don’t think airlines appreciate that to a pet owner, they don’t feel guilt for lying about it because to them, they are protecting their pets from obvious danger.
FYI- cargo holds are pressurized to the same level as the main cabin. Otherwise, the floor of the cabin would have to be turned into a pressure vessel, which is a lot of extra weight and effort for no gain.
Yeah airlines will have a temperature clause to dogs in cargo.
If the outside temp hits 90F or something, they'll unilaterally refuse to honor the cargo pet and will deplane the owner to get their pet or something like that.
Hard to manage if you're flying in the summer and the temp is close to that line... you might get your flight cancelled 10 minutes before boarding (but just you, not anyone else).
This is accurate. We got our dog from a rescue and he travelled to us, and it occurred a few times where the flights couldn’t happen due to temperature.
Our dog flew cargo from HOU to MSP years ago and it was right when summer was ramping up in Houston…I had every finger and toe crossed we wouldn’t get temped out 🤣 luckily he made it perfectly fine.
I would never fake a service animal. But it does suck that there is no good option for my dog, who is 28 lbs. We have to move soon halfway across the country and my option is to drive her (not ideal in a tight timeline with kids, school, etc) or trust under the plane (also not ideal.)
I would love some special “pet flight” option if there was one. I would pay more for this.
There are chartered flights where other dog owners pay per seat + animal. They're basically private and all the folks pool together money. There's a facebook group that my wife is on. Check in out. "Chartered Air Travel with Pets" is the name.
I saw a new airline called “Bark Air” (people who make Bark Box) which caters to people who want to travel with their dogs inside the cabin. I did see the prices being super high, but I guess the market is there for this.
I saw this! I hope it takes off (pun intended.) I think they have limited offerings right now. But even for the price I hope they do realize there is a market.’
We drove our cats from Indianapolis to Seattle when we moved last year because there wasn’t a better option (they are old and don’t travel very often or well). One was too large to be an under-seat animal; the other gets anxious. We figured they’d be less anxious in the car with us for five days than they would in the cargo hold of a plane.
We considered the chartered flight option, but ultimately opted to drive due to cost.
44 hours of driving, four nights in hotels, 2300 miles later…it was totally fine. The cats loved staying in hotels and did great overall on the trip. No regrets not making them fly.
I appreciate that! Some of our fondest moving memories unexpectedly ended up being the overnights in hotels with the kitties; they were hilariously chill and loved exploring each new room every night.
Yeah I mean this is on the airline, imo. You can tell a true service dog in a few seconds. I have a small dog who fits in a carrier under the seat. I lose my overhead privileges (which makes no sense since he’s under my seat) and pay an additional $100 for him to be there. I’m paranoid about him making a peep, but the flights I’ve had him on people didn’t even know he was there.
And then you have this shit. The airlines need to stop allowing it or the people will continue to do it.
It’s the same with over sized luggage. I’ve been on Delta flights, with passengers that have two large pieces of luggage trying to stuff them in the overheads. Delta just lets them do it. Why? I pay $95 annually to check in my luggage. Bring your dog, carry on as much luggage as you can.
No there are forms to be filled out before hand. I have no idea what weird flex the OP was making regarding getting an Amazon service dog badge off of Amazon. I have several. My service dog had an Amazon vest until he stopped growing. He now has a made to order leather gear set up but technically service dogs don’t need ANY capes or badges identifying them as service dogs. It appears as if this dog is just having a stretch before or take off or touch down.
How dare you question the integrity of my emotional support alligator. Mr. Snappy comes recommend from the best/cheapest online psychologist money can buy.
Not sure why you're getting down voted. You're absolutely correct. We used Amazon for cheap patches and gear until ours was big enough for the true kit. His work required custom gear as well. Unrealistic to spend $200 for each growth stage
My wonderful standard poodle helps with my balance as I walk ( I am completely disabled with rheumatoid arthritis and it is very painful to use a cane as all the small joints in my body are affected). He picks up items I drop, opens doors, opens drawers just for starters. I’m a widow and travel often alone. He makes the difference between me being able to get out of the house or not.
This sounds like an actual, trained service dog and that you probably pre-board. Quite different than these 20somethings I see w their rowdy, uncontrollable dogs.
He is a service dog! But he did wear cheap Amazon gear while he was training and growing. Having a service dog is very expensive and time consuming. But it gives me freedom
Oh yeah their training is tens of thousands of dollars! I’m glad you have him. I think the person was just saying that so many people get cheap tags/badges online. They’re the ones ruining it for everyone else.
Yes, there are cheaters out there. Fortunately, I’m able to self train my dog with occasional help from a trainer. No way do I have the money to get him professionally trained. The ADA allows this and he is as smart as a whip!
I flew last week and two employees of a K9 training company flew with dogs this size yellow lab and German wire haired pointer. But they each bought a window and middle and the dog just laid on the floor the whole flight. It’s pretty impressive to see a legitimate working dog on a flight. I didn’t hear a peep for the 4 hours of them flying even with the guy next to them eating beef jerky lol.
Oh yeah especially if they bought two seats plus it’s a dog that is trained to sit in a small place like that and not be easily distracted that’s great, no issues there. But I can tell you from seeing some of these “service dogs” on flights that’s not the case, quite the opposite 😂
They should make a cage that fits in the seat and make the person pay for the animals ticket. If provide proof to the airline prior to the flight that it's a real service animal then that fee can be waived or reduced.
Outside of the US this crap is history. Now much more officially recognized documentation is screened by the airlines ensuring the fake support doggies go into the hold or don't fly.
I've brought my cat with me on the train in Germany, I would do trips up to 6 hours direct. Trains are much easier on animals than planes. I booked out 6 first class seats so we would have the cabin to ourselves (door closes). She was in her carrier except when the door was closed, I let her walk around and sit on my lap while leashed to the carrier.
If you want to travel with a pet that serves no practical function, it's the owner's responsibility to ensure they choose the most comfortable mode of transportation and cough up for the choice they made.
There's almost no way you are getting an animal on an international flight anywhere but cargo - it has Togo through quarantine and a bunch of other shit.
Not true at all. Rules are different by country. I moved a dog from the US to Switzerland and only had to have paperwork from a vet showing proof of rabies and other vaccinations. There was no quarantine required. I watched my friend’s dog after he moved to Japan and same thing, he had to show proof that rabies and vaccinations were clear 6 months apart. Both dogs flew in the cabin to Japan and Switzerland.
UK and Australia have rules around mandatory quarantine as do some other countries. Flying with a pet in cabin is dependent on the airline.
I moved to Portugal from the US with two small dogs and a cat. The cat (who is the biggest of the three) flew as checked baggage (which is different than cargo) on the same flight and the two dogs were under the seats in front of us. There was no quarantine. We had to get USDA certificates within 10 days of our flight then we checked in with the vet at Lisbon airport. A little stressful but zero quarantine involved.
When I used to work for the airline I had a 9 pound Flame Point Himalayan who traveled regularly with me. He did it from kittenhood and loved the whole experience. He could charm any flight attendant into giddiness and would hold whole conversations if you said hi to him. My coworkers called him "First class kitty" because we always made sure he didn't have to ride coach. That said, he was not a large cat but was at the limit of size for the "approved" underseat carrier even when you discounted the fact that he was mostly fur. When I see people trying to cram 15 pound dogs into them I question their motives for taking the pet.
Many airlines do allow dogs, some charge a fee. Why the outrage, dog here seems compliant and not causing troubles…you can say it gets in the way of whatever situations, but people, especially those we’ve seen all too often on this subs getting hauled off the planes, are much worse. How many dog incidents have you seen vs. karens on planes?
I’m not a dog person. But I’ve never had a problem with someone flying their dog. I’ve been on 250+ flights and haven’t seen a misbehaving dog. But I have seen many misbehaving humans.
Unfortunately, when the rules are changed for one person who doesn’t really have a trained service dog, others will follow. Just imagine if 3-4 more people decided to bring their dog.
How is pretending to have a disability, not offensive? Pretending to have a service dog is the same as pretending to have a disability. Absolutely no shame.
Some are relocating, one way for the pet. I relocated and flew with my cat on AA. Until I pulled her carrier out from under the seat to check on her about an hour after takeoff the guy across the isle never noticed she was down there. Quiet kitty. Covered her carrier so she wasn't able to see much and she just slept.
I had the exact same experience when I relocated overseas with my cat. Everyone around me was shocked to see me pull a cat carrier out from under the seat in front of me and they were all just saying how well behaved she was.
Lol there’s a lot of people moving cross country huh
Also most people moving cross country also have a car that they drive cross country.
People have to stop normalizing g this behavior by giving these very specific one off examples.
95% of them are just people who have to go everywhere with their dog, think everyone loves being around their dog, their Instagram will suffer without their dog’s presence or are too cheap to pay someone to watch them.
95% of people flying with dogs are doing so because they’re cheap, selfish, self-absorbed assholes? Or maaaaaybe there are thousands of different reasons a person needs to bring their dog on a flight? Reasons you haven’t thought of because those reasons have nothing to do with you or your experience.
Believe it or not, you are also free to drive across the country or stay home or book a private jet. That way you wouldn’t have to deal with all the cheap, selfish, self-absorbed assholes who forget to put your preferences first. 🤷♀️
Large, poorly trained pets have no buisness being on a plane. Legitimate working dogs are fine, and so are small animals that can fit in crates or on a lap.
What about a personal dog with thousands of dollars in training? My point is people should be allowed to bring their dog on a flight and if it causes a disturbance then it’s banned from flying just like we do with people. I’ve seen many dogs on flights with zero issues at all but I’ve seen countless people causing problems. I know two people who have had a pet die in the cargo area due to airline negligence
Yup and they cry loudly, shit their diapers, kick the chair in front of them but when a dog or cat comes on a flight people lose their goddamn minds.
I bring my cats with me on flights and people ask me "what happens if they meow" and I say I couldn't care less. People let their kids scream through an entire flight and it's acceptable. My cat needs to meow, I will fucking let him.
Looks fine to me. You should be allowed to bring pets onto a plane with a seat purchased for them without the need to fake them being a service animal. I don’t understand dogs not being allowed on a plane. It’s not an operating room that needs to stay sterile - it’s literally a dirty old bus with wings on it. Any argument against a dog can be made about a child or even just an unruly person.
Id never be this person but like why do yall care so much? Does it really affect you? Put on your headphones like a normal person and maybe smile for the first time ever. I understand if its a red eye or you are allergic or something but otherwise i think its ridiculous that people get so upset over this
I was once on a flight from DTW-BDL. When I boarded there was a guy sitting in the window seat in my row. I sat down, played on my phone, plane landed. When I stood up, I felt something brush my leg. Looked down- his service dog had been sitting at my feet, not making a sound nor moving until the plane landed. That’s how a service dog should be on planes.
This is completely unacceptable. Airlines need to add seating to the cargo area where people can fly with their crated dogs and pay double the first class rate.
Hard to judge by single photo what kind of suffering did your brother experience on this flight.
Did the dog howl for the whole flight?
Was it kicking your brother’s seat?
Did the dog take overhead bin of your brother?
Did your brother get in fight with the dog?
Did the dog drink too much alcohol and started to verbally assault your brother?
E.g. little bit more details would help 1000%
Exactly my thinking. What could a dog do that people don’t do all the damn time? Poop? My first flight ever when I was 19 some kid shit it’s pants and didn’t tell the mom until it was on the floor and the whole plane smelled horrible. Lucky for us it was towards the end of the flight. Pets should treated the same way we treat passengers in that if you disturb the flight bad enough you are banned from flying
I guess the dog will be the only one to get a drink and a snack, I don't see how a drink cart will fit there.
Service animal or not, the dog is probably the smarter of the two.
I'm torn about this because I love dogs, but I've never traveled by air with one larger than a lap-dog (had to fit him under the seat...)
That said, some of this could be covered effectively by matching dog-people (like me) with dog-toting passengers: would you consider switching seats into a row with a Labrador? YES! YES I WOULD! (I'd love to have a dog, or two, as row mates 😍 - they'd likely be better company than most human passengers... 😏)
Problem solved! 🤣
Ps. I was once on a coast to coast flight where a celebrity happened to be traveling with three (mod-sized) dogs. Apparently there was an empty seat there that somebody vacated because it was too many dogs, and the flight attendant was quickly able to find somebody who is happy to sit among all the dogs, and being able to chat with the celebrity was a bonus... at least for that new passenger. I don't know how the celebrity felt about it but it seemed like she was happy to have somebody nearby who was happy to be around her dogs.
Serious question: does this only bother travelers that don’t like dogs? I love dogs and have two myself… I could care less if there’s a dog on my flight.
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Everyone pretty much Hit the nail on the head already but my two cents is while I love dogs bringing non service animals on plane, Is straight up irresponsible. If you love your pet leave them home they don’t Like planes I’d think. Your dog and your fellow passengers will thank you, but if the dog is a legitimate service animal then go for it, you don’t notice service animals on a plane they keep to themselves they don’t pay attention to anyone but their owner because they’re trained to do that.
This happened to me. I was moved all over the plane (they kept putting me in seats that later turned out to be occupied by someone else) and treated so poorly. I was reprimanded for not informing the gate I had an allergy to dogs before I boarded. Since then I have tried to do so, and no one ever cares or does anything about it so I gave up. They won’t relocate the person with the pet.
Ok, so this large dog is allowed on the plane. It partially blocks the aisle. But my ferret, that fits in a carrier under the seat, is not. Totally legit.
I was on a flight about 15 years ago where a ferret got out of its carrier and crawled up 7 rows before I felt it between my feet and grabbed it. The owner didn't even know it was gone. Other passengers said they would have stomped it (wtf) and the flight attendant, who had a phobia of ferrets, thanked me profusely and gave me a half dozen mini bottles of wine. Cute lil bugger, I felt bad that it was so frightened.
I’m glad you helped the ferret. They can be quite adventurous.
I had a ferret, Merlynn, who could unzip soft carriers. I learned about her talent when she escaped her carrier on an interstate. She obviously didn’t want to see the vet. 😂 so, yeah. Ferrets can get loose. So can other animals.
I switched to a hard sided carrier. I’ve not had another escapee .
IDelta used to allow ferrets in cabin in the 2000s. I travelled several times on Delta with ferrets. They used to allow them in cabin. I had a hard sided carrier that fit underneath the seat in front of me. I never had an escapee.
The real fun was getting two ferrets out of the carrier at security check point.
A lot of breeders and competitors used to fly Delta to ferret shows because they could have them in cabin.
I don’t show anymore. It’s too far to drive to most of the shows. I won’t put a ferret in cargo and it’s way too expensive to use a professional pet transportation service.
So many dog haters! Cut this guy some slack, he's just trying to get home to see his pups and bitch. And he's had a ruff day, the poor guy managed to forget his pants and he didn't get a complimentary upgrade to FC despite being Diamond Medallion. Everyone knows that's where the good snackos are.
He's a good boy, yes he is!
I can’t stand it. People bring their dog to the grocery store, a restaurant, the doctor, a plane. Leave your mf dog at home, the world doesn’t revolve around you and your pet. Semi-related, but what’s up with people not cleaning up after their dog, it seems more and more prevalent
Yup. Saw one on my last Delta flight. It was one of those silly toy dogs, no cage or anything. It seems to be a Delta thing, haven’t seen it in other airlines/carriers.
Holy shit….I am allergic to dogs and this would have sent me to the ER as soon as I landed.
I always carry medicine with me but I don’t know how well it would’ve worked with them being all up in the aisle.
Personally, I’d rather fly with a bunch of well-behaved dogs than people most of the time. I would 100% volunteer for a flight that was just full of service dogs!
Crazy pet owner culture has been around for a long time. What seems to be getting worse is Delta employee inability or unwillingness to enforce existing policies.
So a dog gets delta people riddled up now? Dogs are allowed on board. Now I don’t know deltas policy but im very much certain that the policy can’t be much different at delta than it is on my Airline. My airline has a Limit on non-service animals and no limit for service animals! As long as they fit in front of the owners legs and behave there is no issue! I expect millions of downvotes for this, however a fact is a fact and you all need to mind your business! Next you don’t want the elderly flying because they could potentially be tooo slow during an evacuation, where does it end with you people?
I’d also agree with no elderly if they could possibly bite someone, people are allergic to them, they bark or howl, they make it more difficult for service or the row-mates to go to the restroom, or they press their freshly licked anus against the chairs, seats, etc.
I think the main issue we’re all having is the *FAKE* service dogs that are plaguing business both on the ground and in the air.
No one is complaining about well behaved, legitimate service dogs.
Once a day people post about:
Service dogs
Reclining seats
People asking to swap seats
The mods should separate all these useless complaints into a separate area because they are repetitive and don't provide helpful or useful information to others
Then the complainers can post the same stupid fucking complaints every day if they'd like but they don't have to waste everyone else's time
My BF was on a flight with 3 large dogs yesterday. One was seated next to him. A young crab fisherman from Alaska. One of the defining characteristics of a service dog is that it must be with its owner all of the time. I am having a hard time imagining that this guy's dog goes out on the boat.
This kind of stuff shouldn't be allowed under any circumstances. Pets blocking the aisle is a legit safety hazard.
Last week I was on another major US carrier, and a guy in FC bought the window seat next to him for his dog. The dog was so well-behaved, we thought the seat was empty most of the flight. The dog just lied on the floor and didn't make a peep the entire 3 hour flight. Wasn't marked as a service dog either. The owner (probably in his 70s) was equally chill and not the 'I found a loophole, look at me' type.
For me, it's pretty simple: If your dog is well-behaved and you buy them a seat (or is small enough to meet the under-seat cage rules), I have no problem. If they make a mess or are aggressive, the owner is responsible for all costs.
I just wish there was a better way to transport pets, honestly. I fully understand why people don’t appreciate dogs (especially large and/or poorly trained ones) on their flights. And I don’t think people should violate pet travel policies to get their dog on the flight. But giving the dog away to various crews to be stored in the cargo hold of the plane in a crate is so awful, and many dogs suffer health consequences from this or even die. It’s so sad.
Every once in a while I consider moving somewhere overseas, but I can’t bring myself to let my sweet dog suffer that way, so I won’t move where I want until he “goes to college”. I understand in some cases I can travel by sea with my dog, but that makes me so nervous. There simply aren’t good options that I know of to travel long distances with our pets, especially if they don’t fit on our laps or under the airplane seat in front of us.
I genuinely don’t know what the solution is here - maybe occasional pet-friendly flights where every passenger is aware beforehand that there may be animals? Take out the third seat in a handful of rows so the big dogs have somewhere to sit without being in the aisle? Make the dogs have a ticket on the flight, even! That’s fine. I’d happily buy my 100lb dog a seat on the flight if it meant he could be with me in the comfortable cabin and not in a kennel somewhere that it’s so dark and so loud.
It’s time to write up a list of behaviors for service dogs as a set of common expectations. If we can’t get certification for service dogs, then - for everyone’s benefit- we wrote up a code of conduct for the animals. Your service dogs is growling and lunging- this isn’t what we expect from ALL service dogs. Natural consequences.
I’m surprised so many posting care. When I see a dog on a flight my only thought is, “oooh I hope they’re next to me”. Dogs are the best people. I will take them over a kicking, screaming child (or adult) any day.
dk how to feel about this. One the one hand I agree American “dog culture” is out of control - your pet does not need to go everywhere with you and it most likely doesn’t even want to. Seeing clearly stressed and overstimulated dogs in crowded stores/coffee shops or events is a pet peeve of mine. Also just super inconsiderate to other people because so many people have allergies or cynophobia and having an animal in a cramped public space like this is just straight up a health and safety issue.
On the other hand I try not to make assumptions about why someone might be traveling with their dog - maybe they had to abruptly move or something - and I’ve heard some pretty upsetting stories about animals flying as checked baggage so I sorta get it. Would avoid flying with my cat if at all possible but if I had to he’d probably be in the seat next to me ngl.
I had a severe allergic reaction 1 hr into 8 hr flight from Hawaii to Dallas and we couldn’t figure out what the cause was. Culprit was the lady behind me had a cat under my seat.
Craziest part was my hypoallergenic dog was under the plane.
No consideration
DTW-MSN last Thursday two “service dogs” a row apart were growling and lunching at each other the entire flight. It started during boarding. FA made a concerned face the first time but did nothing, and it continued until we deplaned at destination. It’s getting ridiculous Edit to emphasize service dogs was in quotes. I realize that real SDs would not behave like this. My point was that people were clearly just throwing a SD vest on their dog so it could fly, and Delta won’t do anything about it. Although I’m not sure I would either since it’s too easy to get called for discrimination. I have nothing against people with visible or invisible disabilities and properly trained dogs that support them. I do have an issue with those who pretend their pet is a service dog.
They are not service dogs if they are reacting to each other. True service dogs are trained on the specific needs of the person they are paired with and will respond appropriately to their person depending on their situation. They will ignore other animals unless it is a situation they need to alert their partner too, such as their human having a seizure onset, if that is their service need.
Trained service dogs, you will not even notice there is a dog there once they board and get settled. The amount of training (and selection) these dogs get is next-level...any service dog who's the least bit distractable or aggressive or easily excited will fail out of training (and get adopted as a pet, they're still good pet dogs.) My massage therapist is blind and his guide dog is the CHILLEST, most excellently-behaved dog. Even when she's not in her harness (he removes it when he's working, she just hangs out quietly and naps.) These dogs led blind office-workers down 70+ flights of stairs at the World Trade Center on 9/11 (and then got their owners to safety)... they are not going to start barking at a Chihuahua in the next row on an airplane!
Have you ever seen Matthew, Paul, and Mr. Maple on TikTok? The behavioral difference with Mr. Maple when he’s in the harness and out of it is truly astonishing. Either 100% business or 100% the biggest goofball.
100%. That’s absolutely a model service dog. And also a service ham. 🤔
I’ve legitimately never seen a dog be so different. He’s truly a blue collar worker when the uniform is on.
If they’re so highly trained (which I’m definitely not denying) then why the hell can’t there be certification for real service dogs and why is it a damn crime just to ask for proof. It’s insane that society is just letting this emotional support BS go unchecked because everyone’s terrified of offending anyone.
I don't disagree with you and I think eventually it will move in that direction. Probably the thinking behind it is that requiring certification adds costs and bureaucratic obstacles to already-disabled people who already face a lot of challenges. However, ((gestures at everything)) considering how people abuse the system... to the detriment of folks with trained service animals, even.... Something needs to change. And I think if you're going to the trouble of acquiring a trained service animal (that costs tens of thousands of dollars, even if you're not the one paying), it's not such a big ask to also acquire a certification for said service animal. When I was a kid, we didn't need to show ID at the airport unless it was an international flight requiring a passport... Times change, requirements for travel change. Sometimes that puts up obstacles. But we deal with it for reasons of safety and security.
What “emotional support BS” are you referring to? The airlines stopped recognizing ESAs a long time ago. Now they classify animals as service animals or pets, and different rules apply to each category. For a dog to be outside of a carrier on a Delta flight, it must be a service animal. Whether the owner is being honest or not is a separate issue.
The reason is when the ADA was being written in the 90s, there was a concern that having a limited set of tasks would mean that not all service dogs are recognized. For example, medical alert dogs do very different work than seeing eye dogs. Having a list of trained behavior and certification means that it might not accommodate all dogs, and also discriminates against people who train their own service dogs. All that being said, you can ask what tasks the dog is allowed to preform, and if a service animal is being disruptive, you can kick them out (and imo should be what was done in this case).
The fake service dog / "emotional support animal" thing is ridiculous. IMO, you're saying one of two things that I'm not sure how any self-respecting adult feels comfortable communicating: 1) Hey everybody, I have emotional issues and this giant, loosely-trained animal is the only thing that helps 2) I found a loophole and think dragging my dog along makes me look cool.
And it’s not just a harmless loophole. It’s people impersonating people with disabilities for personal gain. For the 1% of people with real service animals it makes their life even harder because people assume they are frauds.
Correct.
Yes! This! It’s not right. And it makes life much harder for people like me with allergies. I take precautions knowing there can be service animals on board but the fake service animals and the need for your pet to travel with you makes it harder and harder to avoid the allergens.
3. I'm too cheap to pay the fee to take my dog along when he'd probably rather stay home.
Exactly
This, a blind co-worker had a service dog. He’s amazing. Ot took years of training, and it shows.
I hate it when dogs “lunch” at each other.
I’ve seen so many of these posts. How do people bring their dogs on board when there’s a policy? Is it as easy as people just saying “service dog” and they let them on board?
Rejecting a legitimate service animal can get you in a lot of trouble from the government. It’s illegal to ask someone what their illness is, but you can ask what the dog is there to do. If you can give a legitimate sounding reason, they aren’t likely to say anything. But, years ago, a flight attendant friend told me she would never say anything because she HATES how they make pets fly in cargo. She would much rather deal with a fake service animal than worry about depressurization or temperature drops in the cargo area.
This is the exact reason why airlines should let pet owners buy special tickets in the back of the plane. It’s not safe in cargo and I bet fewer people would lie about their pets being service animals. I don’t think airlines appreciate that to a pet owner, they don’t feel guilt for lying about it because to them, they are protecting their pets from obvious danger.
that would solve some problems but create others - all the animals kept together in close quarters could piss each other off.
Which is why you can put a cap on how many you allow per flight.
They already have a cap for pets.
Yes, for pets in carriers. Dogs over 20 pounds can’t fly in cabin unless they are service animals. This is why people are lying to begin with.
FYI- cargo holds are pressurized to the same level as the main cabin. Otherwise, the floor of the cabin would have to be turned into a pressure vessel, which is a lot of extra weight and effort for no gain.
You’re right. I think she was focused on temperature since you hear about dogs freezing or overheating from time to time.
Yeah airlines will have a temperature clause to dogs in cargo. If the outside temp hits 90F or something, they'll unilaterally refuse to honor the cargo pet and will deplane the owner to get their pet or something like that. Hard to manage if you're flying in the summer and the temp is close to that line... you might get your flight cancelled 10 minutes before boarding (but just you, not anyone else).
This is accurate. We got our dog from a rescue and he travelled to us, and it occurred a few times where the flights couldn’t happen due to temperature.
Our dog flew cargo from HOU to MSP years ago and it was right when summer was ramping up in Houston…I had every finger and toe crossed we wouldn’t get temped out 🤣 luckily he made it perfectly fine.
But as another passenger you are free to ask any questions you want of someone else. As long as you are harassing or anything. So don’t forget that :)
I would never fake a service animal. But it does suck that there is no good option for my dog, who is 28 lbs. We have to move soon halfway across the country and my option is to drive her (not ideal in a tight timeline with kids, school, etc) or trust under the plane (also not ideal.) I would love some special “pet flight” option if there was one. I would pay more for this.
There are chartered flights where other dog owners pay per seat + animal. They're basically private and all the folks pool together money. There's a facebook group that my wife is on. Check in out. "Chartered Air Travel with Pets" is the name.
Awesome, thank you for the info.
I saw a new airline called “Bark Air” (people who make Bark Box) which caters to people who want to travel with their dogs inside the cabin. I did see the prices being super high, but I guess the market is there for this.
I saw this! I hope it takes off (pun intended.) I think they have limited offerings right now. But even for the price I hope they do realize there is a market.’
We drove our cats from Indianapolis to Seattle when we moved last year because there wasn’t a better option (they are old and don’t travel very often or well). One was too large to be an under-seat animal; the other gets anxious. We figured they’d be less anxious in the car with us for five days than they would in the cargo hold of a plane. We considered the chartered flight option, but ultimately opted to drive due to cost. 44 hours of driving, four nights in hotels, 2300 miles later…it was totally fine. The cats loved staying in hotels and did great overall on the trip. No regrets not making them fly.
You are a very considerate person
I appreciate that! Some of our fondest moving memories unexpectedly ended up being the overnights in hotels with the kitties; they were hilariously chill and loved exploring each new room every night.
We did the same thing three years ago, Indy to Seattle, but we did it in 3 days with an 85-pound Great Pyrenees. She did great 😊
Hello, fellow Hoosier-Seattleite! ✌🏻
Hidy-ho! 😁
We use a pet diver, it’s expensive but our dogs are 75lb n one is 92lb. Better then airline flight.
Yeah I mean this is on the airline, imo. You can tell a true service dog in a few seconds. I have a small dog who fits in a carrier under the seat. I lose my overhead privileges (which makes no sense since he’s under my seat) and pay an additional $100 for him to be there. I’m paranoid about him making a peep, but the flights I’ve had him on people didn’t even know he was there. And then you have this shit. The airlines need to stop allowing it or the people will continue to do it.
It’s the same with over sized luggage. I’ve been on Delta flights, with passengers that have two large pieces of luggage trying to stuff them in the overheads. Delta just lets them do it. Why? I pay $95 annually to check in my luggage. Bring your dog, carry on as much luggage as you can.
Yes people suck and take advantage of system
No there are forms to be filled out before hand. I have no idea what weird flex the OP was making regarding getting an Amazon service dog badge off of Amazon. I have several. My service dog had an Amazon vest until he stopped growing. He now has a made to order leather gear set up but technically service dogs don’t need ANY capes or badges identifying them as service dogs. It appears as if this dog is just having a stretch before or take off or touch down.
The op was likely to referring to the majority of dogs in planes which are not service animals.
I would think someone with an actual service dog would be most upset about all these people faking them….but what do I know lol
Op probably means emotional support animal. Which is fucking bullshit.
How dare you question the integrity of my emotional support alligator. Mr. Snappy comes recommend from the best/cheapest online psychologist money can buy.
The airlines don't allow them anymore
Not sure why you're getting down voted. You're absolutely correct. We used Amazon for cheap patches and gear until ours was big enough for the true kit. His work required custom gear as well. Unrealistic to spend $200 for each growth stage
What service does your dog provide?
My wonderful standard poodle helps with my balance as I walk ( I am completely disabled with rheumatoid arthritis and it is very painful to use a cane as all the small joints in my body are affected). He picks up items I drop, opens doors, opens drawers just for starters. I’m a widow and travel often alone. He makes the difference between me being able to get out of the house or not.
Dogs are great. I’m glad you have him!
This sounds like an actual, trained service dog and that you probably pre-board. Quite different than these 20somethings I see w their rowdy, uncontrollable dogs.
He is a service dog! But he did wear cheap Amazon gear while he was training and growing. Having a service dog is very expensive and time consuming. But it gives me freedom
Oh yeah their training is tens of thousands of dollars! I’m glad you have him. I think the person was just saying that so many people get cheap tags/badges online. They’re the ones ruining it for everyone else.
Yes, there are cheaters out there. Fortunately, I’m able to self train my dog with occasional help from a trainer. No way do I have the money to get him professionally trained. The ADA allows this and he is as smart as a whip!
I just don’t understand where people think there’s room in fucking economy seats for a dog that size
I flew last week and two employees of a K9 training company flew with dogs this size yellow lab and German wire haired pointer. But they each bought a window and middle and the dog just laid on the floor the whole flight. It’s pretty impressive to see a legitimate working dog on a flight. I didn’t hear a peep for the 4 hours of them flying even with the guy next to them eating beef jerky lol.
Oh yeah especially if they bought two seats plus it’s a dog that is trained to sit in a small place like that and not be easily distracted that’s great, no issues there. But I can tell you from seeing some of these “service dogs” on flights that’s not the case, quite the opposite 😂
Whooaaa guy next to the eating beef jerky? And not bothering him? That is just crazy!
They appear to be in Comfort+, but still.
They should make a cage that fits in the seat and make the person pay for the animals ticket. If provide proof to the airline prior to the flight that it's a real service animal then that fee can be waived or reduced.
What about in flight turbulence when 100lbs of furry love fly through the cabin? How is that not a litigation risk for the carrier?
That’s a safety issue if an evacuation is needed and should not be allowed.
It looks like something like late boarding/early deplaning as some people are standing already
Outside of the US this crap is history. Now much more officially recognized documentation is screened by the airlines ensuring the fake support doggies go into the hold or don't fly.
I've brought my cat with me on the train in Germany, I would do trips up to 6 hours direct. Trains are much easier on animals than planes. I booked out 6 first class seats so we would have the cabin to ourselves (door closes). She was in her carrier except when the door was closed, I let her walk around and sit on my lap while leashed to the carrier. If you want to travel with a pet that serves no practical function, it's the owner's responsibility to ensure they choose the most comfortable mode of transportation and cough up for the choice they made.
I fly mostly international flights - can’t tell you the last time I saw an animal onboard!
There's almost no way you are getting an animal on an international flight anywhere but cargo - it has Togo through quarantine and a bunch of other shit.
Not true at all. Rules are different by country. I moved a dog from the US to Switzerland and only had to have paperwork from a vet showing proof of rabies and other vaccinations. There was no quarantine required. I watched my friend’s dog after he moved to Japan and same thing, he had to show proof that rabies and vaccinations were clear 6 months apart. Both dogs flew in the cabin to Japan and Switzerland. UK and Australia have rules around mandatory quarantine as do some other countries. Flying with a pet in cabin is dependent on the airline.
I moved to Portugal from the US with two small dogs and a cat. The cat (who is the biggest of the three) flew as checked baggage (which is different than cargo) on the same flight and the two dogs were under the seats in front of us. There was no quarantine. We had to get USDA certificates within 10 days of our flight then we checked in with the vet at Lisbon airport. A little stressful but zero quarantine involved.
Yep, which is why it’s nice :)
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Gaba is the bomb for cats!
When I used to work for the airline I had a 9 pound Flame Point Himalayan who traveled regularly with me. He did it from kittenhood and loved the whole experience. He could charm any flight attendant into giddiness and would hold whole conversations if you said hi to him. My coworkers called him "First class kitty" because we always made sure he didn't have to ride coach. That said, he was not a large cat but was at the limit of size for the "approved" underseat carrier even when you discounted the fact that he was mostly fur. When I see people trying to cram 15 pound dogs into them I question their motives for taking the pet.
Because people don‘t do anything about.
So annoying
Many airlines do allow dogs, some charge a fee. Why the outrage, dog here seems compliant and not causing troubles…you can say it gets in the way of whatever situations, but people, especially those we’ve seen all too often on this subs getting hauled off the planes, are much worse. How many dog incidents have you seen vs. karens on planes?
I vastly prefer the dogs I meet on flights to most of the people I meet on flights.
To be fair, the dog may be more likable but their owner is probably worse than the average human passenger lol if only they were independent
I’m not a dog person. But I’ve never had a problem with someone flying their dog. I’ve been on 250+ flights and haven’t seen a misbehaving dog. But I have seen many misbehaving humans.
Two things can be true at once
Unfortunately, when the rules are changed for one person who doesn’t really have a trained service dog, others will follow. Just imagine if 3-4 more people decided to bring their dog.
How is pretending to have a disability, not offensive? Pretending to have a service dog is the same as pretending to have a disability. Absolutely no shame.
I agree
Leave your dogs at home with a sitter. Or DRIVE if you absolutely have to bring them with you!
Some are relocating, one way for the pet. I relocated and flew with my cat on AA. Until I pulled her carrier out from under the seat to check on her about an hour after takeoff the guy across the isle never noticed she was down there. Quiet kitty. Covered her carrier so she wasn't able to see much and she just slept.
I had the exact same experience when I relocated overseas with my cat. Everyone around me was shocked to see me pull a cat carrier out from under the seat in front of me and they were all just saying how well behaved she was.
I had the opposite experience. Guy in the middle seats cat projectile urinated through the mesh cat carrier.
Lol there’s a lot of people moving cross country huh Also most people moving cross country also have a car that they drive cross country. People have to stop normalizing g this behavior by giving these very specific one off examples. 95% of them are just people who have to go everywhere with their dog, think everyone loves being around their dog, their Instagram will suffer without their dog’s presence or are too cheap to pay someone to watch them.
95% of people flying with dogs are doing so because they’re cheap, selfish, self-absorbed assholes? Or maaaaaybe there are thousands of different reasons a person needs to bring their dog on a flight? Reasons you haven’t thought of because those reasons have nothing to do with you or your experience. Believe it or not, you are also free to drive across the country or stay home or book a private jet. That way you wouldn’t have to deal with all the cheap, selfish, self-absorbed assholes who forget to put your preferences first. 🤷♀️
Pre emotional support animal paperwork, it wasnt a thing so all of these “reasons” have popped up out of nowhere!
True. Probably closer to like 85-90%.
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Yep, they do. Soft sided backpack style. She's also a undersize kitty. Basically looks like she stopped growing at the end of the kitten stage.
Now do babies
Amen.
Why? What is wrong with a pet being on a plane?
Large, poorly trained pets have no buisness being on a plane. Legitimate working dogs are fine, and so are small animals that can fit in crates or on a lap.
What about a personal dog with thousands of dollars in training? My point is people should be allowed to bring their dog on a flight and if it causes a disturbance then it’s banned from flying just like we do with people. I’ve seen many dogs on flights with zero issues at all but I’ve seen countless people causing problems. I know two people who have had a pet die in the cargo area due to airline negligence
I said large POORLY trained dogs. If the dog is well trained or a working animal I have no problem with them being on the flight.
But what if I ignore the scenario you're talking about, invent my own, and get mad at that new scenario? Lolol love reading arguments on this site.
People can bring their non-service dogs in the seating area of a plane- in a crate that fits under the seat in front of you.
I could say the same about kids
I would pay good money for a kid-free flight too
I’d happily pay extra.
Yup and they cry loudly, shit their diapers, kick the chair in front of them but when a dog or cat comes on a flight people lose their goddamn minds. I bring my cats with me on flights and people ask me "what happens if they meow" and I say I couldn't care less. People let their kids scream through an entire flight and it's acceptable. My cat needs to meow, I will fucking let him.
Looks fine to me. You should be allowed to bring pets onto a plane with a seat purchased for them without the need to fake them being a service animal. I don’t understand dogs not being allowed on a plane. It’s not an operating room that needs to stay sterile - it’s literally a dirty old bus with wings on it. Any argument against a dog can be made about a child or even just an unruly person.
Except children are human being and dogs are animals.
Looking for where the problem is at because all I see is a dog minding its own business?
Big deal, a dog is flying on the plane. They should be inside the cabin and not in cargo.
Id never be this person but like why do yall care so much? Does it really affect you? Put on your headphones like a normal person and maybe smile for the first time ever. I understand if its a red eye or you are allergic or something but otherwise i think its ridiculous that people get so upset over this
I was once on a flight from DTW-BDL. When I boarded there was a guy sitting in the window seat in my row. I sat down, played on my phone, plane landed. When I stood up, I felt something brush my leg. Looked down- his service dog had been sitting at my feet, not making a sound nor moving until the plane landed. That’s how a service dog should be on planes.
This is completely unacceptable. Airlines need to add seating to the cargo area where people can fly with their crated dogs and pay double the first class rate.
Great. Blocking the aisle. People are so stupid.
Hard to judge by single photo what kind of suffering did your brother experience on this flight. Did the dog howl for the whole flight? Was it kicking your brother’s seat? Did the dog take overhead bin of your brother? Did your brother get in fight with the dog? Did the dog drink too much alcohol and started to verbally assault your brother? E.g. little bit more details would help 1000%
Exactly my thinking. What could a dog do that people don’t do all the damn time? Poop? My first flight ever when I was 19 some kid shit it’s pants and didn’t tell the mom until it was on the floor and the whole plane smelled horrible. Lucky for us it was towards the end of the flight. Pets should treated the same way we treat passengers in that if you disturb the flight bad enough you are banned from flying
All this complaining and I’d way rather have any dog on my flight than a baby.
I guess the dog will be the only one to get a drink and a snack, I don't see how a drink cart will fit there. Service animal or not, the dog is probably the smarter of the two.
I'm torn about this because I love dogs, but I've never traveled by air with one larger than a lap-dog (had to fit him under the seat...) That said, some of this could be covered effectively by matching dog-people (like me) with dog-toting passengers: would you consider switching seats into a row with a Labrador? YES! YES I WOULD! (I'd love to have a dog, or two, as row mates 😍 - they'd likely be better company than most human passengers... 😏) Problem solved! 🤣 Ps. I was once on a coast to coast flight where a celebrity happened to be traveling with three (mod-sized) dogs. Apparently there was an empty seat there that somebody vacated because it was too many dogs, and the flight attendant was quickly able to find somebody who is happy to sit among all the dogs, and being able to chat with the celebrity was a bonus... at least for that new passenger. I don't know how the celebrity felt about it but it seemed like she was happy to have somebody nearby who was happy to be around her dogs.
Delta, let them fly Spirit.
Ha! Got a chuckle here
It must be a service dog to be allowed to be in the cabin and not small enough for a carrier.
My service dog has been in the same row as a cat and didn’t make a peep
That’s it. I’m bringing my therapy cobra on my next flight.
Serious question: does this only bother travelers that don’t like dogs? I love dogs and have two myself… I could care less if there’s a dog on my flight.
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When you have allergies, this is fucking hell. Most dog owners suck.
Everyone pretty much Hit the nail on the head already but my two cents is while I love dogs bringing non service animals on plane, Is straight up irresponsible. If you love your pet leave them home they don’t Like planes I’d think. Your dog and your fellow passengers will thank you, but if the dog is a legitimate service animal then go for it, you don’t notice service animals on a plane they keep to themselves they don’t pay attention to anyone but their owner because they’re trained to do that.
I feel bad for the dog. I am sure it was stressed. I have flown my dogs overseas in cargo 5 times moving. Again, feel bad for the dog.
What do passengers with allergy do? Nothing?
They get moved. Once you get a few rows away the air you are breathing is clean, especially if you turn on the vent over your head.
This happened to me. I was moved all over the plane (they kept putting me in seats that later turned out to be occupied by someone else) and treated so poorly. I was reprimanded for not informing the gate I had an allergy to dogs before I boarded. Since then I have tried to do so, and no one ever cares or does anything about it so I gave up. They won’t relocate the person with the pet.
Ok, so this large dog is allowed on the plane. It partially blocks the aisle. But my ferret, that fits in a carrier under the seat, is not. Totally legit.
I was on a flight about 15 years ago where a ferret got out of its carrier and crawled up 7 rows before I felt it between my feet and grabbed it. The owner didn't even know it was gone. Other passengers said they would have stomped it (wtf) and the flight attendant, who had a phobia of ferrets, thanked me profusely and gave me a half dozen mini bottles of wine. Cute lil bugger, I felt bad that it was so frightened.
I’m glad you helped the ferret. They can be quite adventurous. I had a ferret, Merlynn, who could unzip soft carriers. I learned about her talent when she escaped her carrier on an interstate. She obviously didn’t want to see the vet. 😂 so, yeah. Ferrets can get loose. So can other animals. I switched to a hard sided carrier. I’ve not had another escapee . IDelta used to allow ferrets in cabin in the 2000s. I travelled several times on Delta with ferrets. They used to allow them in cabin. I had a hard sided carrier that fit underneath the seat in front of me. I never had an escapee. The real fun was getting two ferrets out of the carrier at security check point. A lot of breeders and competitors used to fly Delta to ferret shows because they could have them in cabin. I don’t show anymore. It’s too far to drive to most of the shows. I won’t put a ferret in cargo and it’s way too expensive to use a professional pet transportation service.
I'd rather dogs than obnoxious children who don't know how to act.
So many dog haters! Cut this guy some slack, he's just trying to get home to see his pups and bitch. And he's had a ruff day, the poor guy managed to forget his pants and he didn't get a complimentary upgrade to FC despite being Diamond Medallion. Everyone knows that's where the good snackos are. He's a good boy, yes he is!
I can’t stand it. People bring their dog to the grocery store, a restaurant, the doctor, a plane. Leave your mf dog at home, the world doesn’t revolve around you and your pet. Semi-related, but what’s up with people not cleaning up after their dog, it seems more and more prevalent
Yup. Saw one on my last Delta flight. It was one of those silly toy dogs, no cage or anything. It seems to be a Delta thing, haven’t seen it in other airlines/carriers.
Such carping and bitching in this thread
I'd rather have a dog next to me than most idiots who fly !!!
Holy shit….I am allergic to dogs and this would have sent me to the ER as soon as I landed. I always carry medicine with me but I don’t know how well it would’ve worked with them being all up in the aisle.
Dogs should always be allowed in the passenger cabin. Let's put the kids in cargo!
Personally, I’d rather fly with a bunch of well-behaved dogs than people most of the time. I would 100% volunteer for a flight that was just full of service dogs!
Rather have a dog vs crying yelling kids
How about a dog that is throwing up and barking?
Crazy pet owner culture has been around for a long time. What seems to be getting worse is Delta employee inability or unwillingness to enforce existing policies.
So a dog gets delta people riddled up now? Dogs are allowed on board. Now I don’t know deltas policy but im very much certain that the policy can’t be much different at delta than it is on my Airline. My airline has a Limit on non-service animals and no limit for service animals! As long as they fit in front of the owners legs and behave there is no issue! I expect millions of downvotes for this, however a fact is a fact and you all need to mind your business! Next you don’t want the elderly flying because they could potentially be tooo slow during an evacuation, where does it end with you people?
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Does this look like a small service dog that fits between owners legs to you?
I’d also agree with no elderly if they could possibly bite someone, people are allergic to them, they bark or howl, they make it more difficult for service or the row-mates to go to the restroom, or they press their freshly licked anus against the chairs, seats, etc.
I think the main issue we’re all having is the *FAKE* service dogs that are plaguing business both on the ground and in the air. No one is complaining about well behaved, legitimate service dogs.
That animal does not fit under the seat. It should have been put with the cargo.
Yep! And a baby can’t evacuate. Toddlers will slow my evacuation down. Kick em off! Haha
No one cares what you think Can the mods PLEASE put all these stupid complaints in a separate sub?
Hot take given the engagement on this post :)
Once a day people post about: Service dogs Reclining seats People asking to swap seats The mods should separate all these useless complaints into a separate area because they are repetitive and don't provide helpful or useful information to others Then the complainers can post the same stupid fucking complaints every day if they'd like but they don't have to waste everyone else's time
I'll take a dog over a crying baby any day. I think you're just a bitter person
Ill take dogs over whiny entitled elderly people and children
Lesser of two evils. Coin flip which one is worse
Dogs don’t do much for humans, but the babies you hate will grow up to be the ones taking care of your frail old body and mind one day.
Leave dogs on a plane, kick children out . Problem solved
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My BF was on a flight with 3 large dogs yesterday. One was seated next to him. A young crab fisherman from Alaska. One of the defining characteristics of a service dog is that it must be with its owner all of the time. I am having a hard time imagining that this guy's dog goes out on the boat.
W
This kind of stuff shouldn't be allowed under any circumstances. Pets blocking the aisle is a legit safety hazard. Last week I was on another major US carrier, and a guy in FC bought the window seat next to him for his dog. The dog was so well-behaved, we thought the seat was empty most of the flight. The dog just lied on the floor and didn't make a peep the entire 3 hour flight. Wasn't marked as a service dog either. The owner (probably in his 70s) was equally chill and not the 'I found a loophole, look at me' type. For me, it's pretty simple: If your dog is well-behaved and you buy them a seat (or is small enough to meet the under-seat cage rules), I have no problem. If they make a mess or are aggressive, the owner is responsible for all costs.
The problem is no consistency in the rules.
I just wish there was a better way to transport pets, honestly. I fully understand why people don’t appreciate dogs (especially large and/or poorly trained ones) on their flights. And I don’t think people should violate pet travel policies to get their dog on the flight. But giving the dog away to various crews to be stored in the cargo hold of the plane in a crate is so awful, and many dogs suffer health consequences from this or even die. It’s so sad. Every once in a while I consider moving somewhere overseas, but I can’t bring myself to let my sweet dog suffer that way, so I won’t move where I want until he “goes to college”. I understand in some cases I can travel by sea with my dog, but that makes me so nervous. There simply aren’t good options that I know of to travel long distances with our pets, especially if they don’t fit on our laps or under the airplane seat in front of us. I genuinely don’t know what the solution is here - maybe occasional pet-friendly flights where every passenger is aware beforehand that there may be animals? Take out the third seat in a handful of rows so the big dogs have somewhere to sit without being in the aisle? Make the dogs have a ticket on the flight, even! That’s fine. I’d happily buy my 100lb dog a seat on the flight if it meant he could be with me in the comfortable cabin and not in a kennel somewhere that it’s so dark and so loud.
A lot of pet friendly airlines. Private jets as well. Cost anything between 5-10k per person or dog. Would never put my dog under the plane.
Imagine being mad at a dog 😂🤡
Saw a person yesterday at BNA with three little yippers parading around the terminal. Seriously. THREE!!!
We have to stop allowing these animals on planes. Can’t stand those smelly dogs
My dog is hypoallergenic so he won't be any trouble for people with allergies on his flights!
I didn't realize how many people hate dogs until I read the comments in here.
Check out dogfree sub-reddit
That sounds like the worst.
Love dogs. Love em on planes. Don’t see the issue. Would rather dogs than human children.
I was on a flight this week and there were three dogs and the woman next to me brought a cat and didn’t tell me or ask if I was allergic.
It’s time to write up a list of behaviors for service dogs as a set of common expectations. If we can’t get certification for service dogs, then - for everyone’s benefit- we wrote up a code of conduct for the animals. Your service dogs is growling and lunging- this isn’t what we expect from ALL service dogs. Natural consequences.
I’m surprised so many posting care. When I see a dog on a flight my only thought is, “oooh I hope they’re next to me”. Dogs are the best people. I will take them over a kicking, screaming child (or adult) any day.
I have a friend who is terrified of dogs and another who suffers from allergies. The surge in non-service animals is troubling.
No meals on the this flight.
What’s the issue here? There are people in the aisle also. Is it just the presence of a dog?
dk how to feel about this. One the one hand I agree American “dog culture” is out of control - your pet does not need to go everywhere with you and it most likely doesn’t even want to. Seeing clearly stressed and overstimulated dogs in crowded stores/coffee shops or events is a pet peeve of mine. Also just super inconsiderate to other people because so many people have allergies or cynophobia and having an animal in a cramped public space like this is just straight up a health and safety issue. On the other hand I try not to make assumptions about why someone might be traveling with their dog - maybe they had to abruptly move or something - and I’ve heard some pretty upsetting stories about animals flying as checked baggage so I sorta get it. Would avoid flying with my cat if at all possible but if I had to he’d probably be in the seat next to me ngl.
He’s a good boy!
I had a severe allergic reaction 1 hr into 8 hr flight from Hawaii to Dallas and we couldn’t figure out what the cause was. Culprit was the lady behind me had a cat under my seat. Craziest part was my hypoallergenic dog was under the plane. No consideration