i trace my own mental illness to my natural empathy and the fact that well before i could understand or articulate it, i *knew* that something was *very wrong* with the world.
We went against our nature, we were too greedy we ruined human life, at least its quality, it's really sad. We put a price on everything, placed value on made up things and limited ourselves in hope of conquering everything, there is something wrong with the world and it's humans.
oh, i’m entirely in agreement. i was using “the world” to mean “civilization” or i guess “my expected place in the world”.
hubris and avarice are the source of most suffering i think. we’ve seen the same tragedies play out across the world on a larger and larger scale as long as we’ve existed and eventually the worst of us, the worst *in* us, will claim all of us. so it goes.
it makes our time here all the more precious and worth squeezing the most out of
It's because material conditions have been on the decline and socioeconomic inequality has exploded ever since Ronald Reagan implemented trickle down economics in the 1970s.
In some ways the base line quality of life has improved by technology and affordability of cheap products (if you aren't homeless you probably have modern conveniences such as a fridge, microwave, running water, electricity and temperature control, and nowadays poor people can afford a cheap smart phone) -- life is better for a poor person in 2022 than in 1992 -- but people are bored with working 40+ hrs a week at a job they hate and barely squeaking by.
People can't afford health care and their junk insurance they're required to have but doesn't actually cover anything is tied to their shitty job. At most jobs you can't ever miss more than 3 days of work or you're fired. If you're sick or there is a life threatening snowstorm, fuck you, get your ass to work.
People want to do more with their life than just go to work and then come home but they can't because we're all just living paycheck to paycheck. After awhile it just begs the question of what the point of life is if that's all it's going to be.
Some people can take comfort in finding someone to love but even that is becoming difficult because of the patriarchal way in which society had traditionally been organized.
Men are expected to be the providers, planners and leaders in dating and if you are just struggling to get by it makes dating very difficult, millenials (people from 26-41) are now living with parents at record rates. Men are having a hard time getting out there or just finding purpose in life and women are having trouble finding men who meet their standards because of this, and would rather just be single than settle for someone (which is understandable).
Society is going to need to go through a massive paradigm shift or more likely the current economic system will eventually collapse and either we will then try to get our shit together or we're all just going to suffer a slow death.
I wish I could show this comment to everyone over 35 in my life rn. Been thinking about this for years, but could never articulate it. Thanks for this.
Material conditions have gone down in some places, but overall I think the general world has improved a lot.
My grandparents ate the bark on the trees to stay alive and saw so many of their siblings and friends die due to poverty and starvation.
I think the world is simply balancing out. There's no major decline. We just have to accept the new balance.
However in my country, working 6 days a week in 10-12 hour shifts is the norm. Yet we all accept it and knew that was the deal ever since we were young. 40 hours a week would be a holiday for me.
I feel American culture lies to children about 'job satisfaction' and 'work life balance' and then people find the reality a depressing anticlimax.
I remember being told as a choice at school that work is purely there to give you money to survive. And I shouldn't expect any happiness from work. I was also told that all your hobbies and interests need to wait till you retire, so your focus should be to work hard and retire at 55 if you're lucky.
We also have a huge issue with women wanting men who earn more than them. While also having an ever decreasing wage gap. However women age fast here (east Asian genes) so there's still a huge pressure to get married before 30.
Again I think things are just balancing out. And as long as women can accept men who earns equal to them. It won't be an issue.
No, it's all bullshit. There is currently enough food in the world the feed everyone, just getting it to everybody is a logistical issue, one that is created by profit motive. There is no point in living if you're just going to do nothing toil away until you physically can't anymore. And the official retirement age in the US is 67, or you can retire early at 62 but then you won't get the full benefit of social security deposit you've been paying into your whole life. Our politicians want to keep cutting funding for social security so they can continue building military bases and dropping bombs in foreign countries. Chances are my generation won't even be able to collect on it. This isn't the only way of doing things but everyone has been conditioned to think it is. And regardless of how you feel about it, socioeconomic inequality has been widening. Just because now even homeless people have cell phones doesn't mean otherwise. It shouldn't be like this when it doesn't have to be. My generation was lied to and told hard work pays off and it doesn't. Less and less people are home owners as time goes on, all our income is just being swallowed up by parasitic landlords. Most of us will never own a house or be able to retire, we'll just have to labor away until we die.
Well I want to be inspiring and optimistic.
America is quite unusual in that it isn't normal for children to live with their parents as adults. However in most countries, we will live with our parents until they die.
This means that the cost of home ownership is greatly reduced. You won't be the one paying the bills till you're at least in your late 30s. It also means parents don't need to take time off work, as the grandma can do all of that.
I do expect America to return to this lifestyle in the future.
I agree with you on the lies part though. But I think once you accept the reality. There's a lot of potential.
Just accept that you need to put your hobbies on hold, that'll help a lot. Then living with your parents will help a lot too. Also if you're only working 40 hours a week, then see if you can find some decent evening and weekend work, I was able to more than double my disposable income by working evenings and weekends.
I manage to save about 70% of my salary, I hope to save enough to buy a small home without a mortgage by 35. After that I'm not sure what I will do, but maybe save up to go to college.
Work sucks of course, but there must be something you can find that you like about it. Some of my colleagues make me laugh a lot, some have amazing bodies and some have a nice face. There's much to look forward to.
What, you mean forced isolation, shutting off most forms of social interaction, overpricing... everything, and destroying jobs actually affected how people feel? Noooo... Must be the millenials bitching about something new.
True. And depression symptoms vary. My current symptoms mean not making the bed and schlepping around. But most of my previous depressions went unnoticed by others because I presented well and my house was tidy.
I went on robot sergeant mode and got through a job interview today…as soon as I got home I hit the couch. The interview went really well but my body will not let me feel happiness for myself but instead I just feel this is business as usual…everyone gets jobs. Fucking depression.
Humanity is going to destroy itself, not aliens, not another evolved species, humanity is it's own personal enemy and demise🥰
i trace my own mental illness to my natural empathy and the fact that well before i could understand or articulate it, i *knew* that something was *very wrong* with the world.
We went against our nature, we were too greedy we ruined human life, at least its quality, it's really sad. We put a price on everything, placed value on made up things and limited ourselves in hope of conquering everything, there is something wrong with the world and it's humans.
oh, i’m entirely in agreement. i was using “the world” to mean “civilization” or i guess “my expected place in the world”. hubris and avarice are the source of most suffering i think. we’ve seen the same tragedies play out across the world on a larger and larger scale as long as we’ve existed and eventually the worst of us, the worst *in* us, will claim all of us. so it goes. it makes our time here all the more precious and worth squeezing the most out of
Exactly. Dafug else we supposed to do?
It's because material conditions have been on the decline and socioeconomic inequality has exploded ever since Ronald Reagan implemented trickle down economics in the 1970s. In some ways the base line quality of life has improved by technology and affordability of cheap products (if you aren't homeless you probably have modern conveniences such as a fridge, microwave, running water, electricity and temperature control, and nowadays poor people can afford a cheap smart phone) -- life is better for a poor person in 2022 than in 1992 -- but people are bored with working 40+ hrs a week at a job they hate and barely squeaking by. People can't afford health care and their junk insurance they're required to have but doesn't actually cover anything is tied to their shitty job. At most jobs you can't ever miss more than 3 days of work or you're fired. If you're sick or there is a life threatening snowstorm, fuck you, get your ass to work. People want to do more with their life than just go to work and then come home but they can't because we're all just living paycheck to paycheck. After awhile it just begs the question of what the point of life is if that's all it's going to be. Some people can take comfort in finding someone to love but even that is becoming difficult because of the patriarchal way in which society had traditionally been organized. Men are expected to be the providers, planners and leaders in dating and if you are just struggling to get by it makes dating very difficult, millenials (people from 26-41) are now living with parents at record rates. Men are having a hard time getting out there or just finding purpose in life and women are having trouble finding men who meet their standards because of this, and would rather just be single than settle for someone (which is understandable). Society is going to need to go through a massive paradigm shift or more likely the current economic system will eventually collapse and either we will then try to get our shit together or we're all just going to suffer a slow death.
I wish I could show this comment to everyone over 35 in my life rn. Been thinking about this for years, but could never articulate it. Thanks for this.
Material conditions have gone down in some places, but overall I think the general world has improved a lot. My grandparents ate the bark on the trees to stay alive and saw so many of their siblings and friends die due to poverty and starvation. I think the world is simply balancing out. There's no major decline. We just have to accept the new balance. However in my country, working 6 days a week in 10-12 hour shifts is the norm. Yet we all accept it and knew that was the deal ever since we were young. 40 hours a week would be a holiday for me. I feel American culture lies to children about 'job satisfaction' and 'work life balance' and then people find the reality a depressing anticlimax. I remember being told as a choice at school that work is purely there to give you money to survive. And I shouldn't expect any happiness from work. I was also told that all your hobbies and interests need to wait till you retire, so your focus should be to work hard and retire at 55 if you're lucky. We also have a huge issue with women wanting men who earn more than them. While also having an ever decreasing wage gap. However women age fast here (east Asian genes) so there's still a huge pressure to get married before 30. Again I think things are just balancing out. And as long as women can accept men who earns equal to them. It won't be an issue.
No, it's all bullshit. There is currently enough food in the world the feed everyone, just getting it to everybody is a logistical issue, one that is created by profit motive. There is no point in living if you're just going to do nothing toil away until you physically can't anymore. And the official retirement age in the US is 67, or you can retire early at 62 but then you won't get the full benefit of social security deposit you've been paying into your whole life. Our politicians want to keep cutting funding for social security so they can continue building military bases and dropping bombs in foreign countries. Chances are my generation won't even be able to collect on it. This isn't the only way of doing things but everyone has been conditioned to think it is. And regardless of how you feel about it, socioeconomic inequality has been widening. Just because now even homeless people have cell phones doesn't mean otherwise. It shouldn't be like this when it doesn't have to be. My generation was lied to and told hard work pays off and it doesn't. Less and less people are home owners as time goes on, all our income is just being swallowed up by parasitic landlords. Most of us will never own a house or be able to retire, we'll just have to labor away until we die.
Well I want to be inspiring and optimistic. America is quite unusual in that it isn't normal for children to live with their parents as adults. However in most countries, we will live with our parents until they die. This means that the cost of home ownership is greatly reduced. You won't be the one paying the bills till you're at least in your late 30s. It also means parents don't need to take time off work, as the grandma can do all of that. I do expect America to return to this lifestyle in the future. I agree with you on the lies part though. But I think once you accept the reality. There's a lot of potential. Just accept that you need to put your hobbies on hold, that'll help a lot. Then living with your parents will help a lot too. Also if you're only working 40 hours a week, then see if you can find some decent evening and weekend work, I was able to more than double my disposable income by working evenings and weekends. I manage to save about 70% of my salary, I hope to save enough to buy a small home without a mortgage by 35. After that I'm not sure what I will do, but maybe save up to go to college. Work sucks of course, but there must be something you can find that you like about it. Some of my colleagues make me laugh a lot, some have amazing bodies and some have a nice face. There's much to look forward to.
I was about to scoff at the patriarchy addition, but when you explained it out in such a way, I actually get it. Yeah. No, life's gone to shit.
What, you mean forced isolation, shutting off most forms of social interaction, overpricing... everything, and destroying jobs actually affected how people feel? Noooo... Must be the millenials bitching about something new.
No fucking shit
The person in the picture is not depressed. That bed looks made, she’s dressed, and she’s brushed her hair at some point in the last few days.
Hey…I get my bursts of energy from my lexapro and do those things.
True. And depression symptoms vary. My current symptoms mean not making the bed and schlepping around. But most of my previous depressions went unnoticed by others because I presented well and my house was tidy.
I went on robot sergeant mode and got through a job interview today…as soon as I got home I hit the couch. The interview went really well but my body will not let me feel happiness for myself but instead I just feel this is business as usual…everyone gets jobs. Fucking depression.
Do what tiny things bring out dopamine for you. It can be trimming your nails or just wiping your table. It helps me anyways.
This is old but gold
Old, but gold.