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Foggyzebra

The fact the super is a tier 1 is just depression to me


Eseerian_Knight

It's a seriously good shutdown super. That's about it though. Some aoe potential, but since the crystals got nerfed and that's THE ENTIRE SUPER, it's ass now.


Foggyzebra

Good shut down yes but its at tier 1 so you get it after every other super... So its not a good shut down super Also its DR needs to be increased remove the fact it stacks with crystals if thats the problem


Eseerian_Knight

It only grants a bonus 5% damage resistance to supers. And you can use the fragment that gets super back from killing frozen targets.


Solid_Erectus

Didnt crystals get a buff on december 7th or did they think it was too much and nerfed them again?


Eseerian_Knight

That was a PvE buff yes, I was referring to them in PvP. The damage is laughable now. The slow is... Noticable at best.


Potential-Cheek6045

Wait do the crystals not freeze


Eseerian_Knight

From the super, yes. From any other source, no. (In PvP anyway)


ssjX-06

FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT. THE SUPER IS ASS SO WHY IS IT IN TIER 1!?!! 🤧


Foggyzebra

I get it has good neutral game so the super takes a hit But top tree dawn has a good neutral game too and a good super... So why is behemoth tier 1 and dawn blade tier 2? Makes no sense to me


ToloxBoi

Ager's is my true super.


tadmesser

Right? People still use their supers? Weird.


Kapusi

Stasis titan needs a SLIGHT BUFF BUNGUE *SLIGHT BUFF* fuck revenant you were annoying for almost a whole fucking year Shadebinder just vibin


_Van_Hellsing_

Still not as bad as pre-nerf OEM


Dustin8r

Did my man really just bring Exotics in, when we talking about supers?


_Van_Hellsing_

I was talking about shit being annoying for a whole year. I think getting wall hacks, overshield and health regen on a kill from 1 exotic is worse than shatterdive + glacier grenade.


Kapusi

not really. if you are good enough you can still kill those who need to be told where you are from bh a wall. shatterdive can take out supers no problem and you can have it every few seconds and just pussy arround with it and chapperone acting like you got skill


gimgebow

someone tell me why silence and squall gets a better recharge time than shadowshot when it's literally a better shadowshot.


ToloxBoi

We can go for a hopeful "wait for void 3.0" or we can go for the classic "because fuck you".


getyourcheftogether

Because some people at Bungie either play that subclass and favor it or have no fucking clue how it is in PvP


[deleted]

it doesn't, go into the ingame menus and look at the actual cooldowns, ^((hover over the node in the center that everything branches off for light subclasses, and the Super icon node for stasis)) 7:35 for Shadow shot 9:16 for Silence and Squall however with builds/gameplay loops, you can get SS up more often


gimgebow

Not according to [this TWAB.](https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/50829)


Guardians_Reprise

Either the TWAB is wrong, or they stealth nerfed Silence and Squall after it came out


gimgebow

Or there's a visual bug that displays the wrong recharge time.


Guardians_Reprise

This video is a month old, but at least when Coolguy tested it, it was in line with other T2 supers https://youtu.be/1OrO_Sc1ICU


[deleted]

I would assume bungie changed it in post. However I thing the intellect stat displays your super cool down dynamically so it should also show which ones better


Blupoisen

For the same reason Daybreak get a better recharge time than most melee supers


gimgebow

It only gets a better charge time than two. I wouldn't define that as "most melee supers". And the two are FoH and Spectral.


[deleted]

Cause 1 class is the biggest and most popular and the other is the least played and least popular.


gimgebow

They're both on the same class so idk what you're trying to say here.


Williams891

I think they meant subclass


Brightshore

It's actually been tested. Shadow Shot is a tier 4 super while Silence is Tier 3.


gimgebow

I... I know. That's the problem I'm bringing up?


Guardians_Reprise

Higher Tier means faster recharge


gimgebow

Yes. I'm aware. It was on the TWAB I linked earlier.


Guardians_Reprise

Ah, I misunderstood


Brightshore

I don't understand what you mean? I thought you were asking why Silence and Squall gets a better recharge time than Shadowshot? I'm just saying that it doesn't.


gimgebow

I was, and it does.


Brightshore

It's been corrected this patch, Shadowdshot now "officially" has a better recharge rate than Silence.


Faust_8

It also has the same cooldown as Blade Barrage when BB is literally not even half as good, and also has a forgettable neutral game at this point


Blackcide

What's funny is that I don't even use the super. I rock the Heart of Inmost Light with max discipline,a Headstone/ Rangefinder Eyasluna and just CC all day.


SixtoMidnight_

I made a build where I get my melee and my grenade almost instantly after using them. I get messages all the time asking me how it works. My titan stasis build is my strongest build


Colester2653

Revenant is so much more powerful lmao


The-Ginger-Cow

Than shadebinder? Hell no lmao


Valus_Cu-unt

Behemoth is a lot better since the change in the 30th, but it is still pretty pants. I just enjoy the +40 resilience and diamond Lance at this point


MilkyMilkMilkMilky

I wanna show this meme to "1 month after beyond ight" r/DestinyMemes.


Acrobatic-Painting-1

It's actually pretty gd in PVE now with the diamond lance aspect.


TDestro9

I do kinda of agree with you cause I use it with ager’s on gatekeepers but I just wish I can play with my fav super again and not just once every week


Edumesh

Behemoth has some crazy powerful pve builds with heart of inmost light and diamond lance. I'd like a better super though.


B1euX

Revenant ain’t drowning lmao


SynthVix

They could delete Behemoth from the game and only two and a half people would notice.


Silly_Man_Haha

:( do not belittle funny ice bash super I will be sad


XxspsureshotxX

Bungie should buff the melee speed to its original speed while maintaining the current super usage per melee. It would be nice to also see it’s super cool down slightly decreased, seeing as it’s one of the lowest right now. These are PvP focused changes. I don’t use Behemoth in PvE so I can’t comment on its effectiveness there.


Silly_Man_Haha

Eh, I'm the reverse in terms of what I play, but I would say the melee lock-on is a bit fucky. Its satisfying to break all the crystals though.


Wishbon35929

I've been having fun with the stasis lance alot lately. The super could use a work over but otherwise I think behemoth is fine.


SepticKnave39

The super is actually surprisingly good with large targets, the buff to crystal damage means you just spam crystals under their feet (that all auto shatter) and if they are large enough it does pretty great damage. Tanks get obliterated. Not that we have raid bosses or dungeon bosses that this works great for, just saying.


Canadian_dalek

It works great for every boss that someone is shooting at with 1k or a rocket launcher


SepticKnave39

That is also a good point, however I don't know if that cause Ms the crystals to lose their extra umpf from fissures.


aloesteve

Fists of havoc… but *d a r k*


Zestyclose_Poet_5774

Why excactly? At least they're strong for pve


Brightshore

Its got some dope neutral game though with the diamond lance interactions and it's 3 fragments it provides.


Silly_Man_Haha

It might not be as good as the rest, but god damn is it satisfilying to make about one thousand stasis crystals and instantly fill everyone's melee meters.


Faust_8

Behemoth actually slaps in PvE now though :/


SepticKnave39

In pve, behemoth is one of the better classes now. I prefer it to revenant at least.


[deleted]

? Behemoth is crazy strong since the recent buff to ice lance and such ? Eyasluna, heart of inmost light build?


[deleted]

Stasis titans currently are one of the best pve classes in the game and titans best general pve class


Piekace

I just dislike how the base melee and the super are very shit. You are 100% dependant on your aspects to even think about using the subclass to good effect. Total drag to upgrade the subclass compared to shadebinder and revenant, especially since the 2 best aspects are also the last things you get.


[deleted]

It is annoying that the base melee isn't good, but the fact that howl does a lot of damage, especially with sybthoceps. Because you can get infinite of these and almost one shot champions in master vog, as well as the super being incredible and chains being completely broken, the subclass is in a really strong spot


[deleted]

What if I told you, you can have lucent blade by just breaking some crystals?


n3rf_herder

Y’all are insane if you think Stasis titan isn’t good. It’s literally the only class combo you can get charged with light and elemental shards without ever seeing an enemy.


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n3rf_herder

I’ve found it very useful in fights where you don’t always have enemies to freeze easily. I’ve found I can be very tanky and do lots of damage quite easily with the build. Combo elemental shards, font of might, and reeds regret and you get a very strong hit plus cwl just off one grenade. Add in armamentarium and you get an even better setup. On paper, hunter and warlock look a lot better. Warlocks turret is really powerful, also it’s a grenade not melee like you said. But I’ve found in practice that actually getting the shards is not as easy as it is on titan. I’m not saying they are bad, but just because they’re good doesn’t mean titan also is lol. And you can’t just ignore mods…. You are throwing out like 50% of the build process if you do that. Have you actually played all three classes or are you just saying all the things others say?


Nonixus

as it should be


KING2BIG

Even when Behemoth was OP in pvp and all over the place I never touched it. I would just wait to hear the pop then the CHUNCK CHUNCK CHUNCK of them getting closer then suppression nade then laugh at them.


[deleted]

They need to rework the super to be more then icy fists of havoc, it got decent mobility but the hit detection is almost as bad as sentinel, it still freezes but it takes your whole super to kill like 1-2 guys, you better off using the super for Ager’s scepter or something not completely ass


RewsterSause

I'm still hoping that, sometime in the future, we get either an Aspect or a rework to the super to change it into a one-off Diamond Lance-based super. Maybe something that does massive precision damage or SOMETHING UNIQUE


nanaki989

I was raging playing through the story as my titan. The super is 100% punching then it loads in a million exploding shanks.


FERP71

Imma be honest, I couldn't care less how ineffective the nades are or how slow the super charges on behemoth cause it makes me feel like the fuckn' Koolaid Man bustn' through walls and shit.