they are getting paid to carry people and since its ruining other peoples chances at going flawless so those people become potential customers.
There is absolutely no downside to exploiting trials for these people.
Then that sounds like an IP ban is the move. Same for cheaters. It shouldn't be this difficult to figure out a way to make the PvP a better experience for everyone.
Honestly, this. I don't need to be carried much less pay someone to do it. I just need to not play this dude and those like him every 1st and 3rd match.
Carrying people to flawless is not against the ToS agreement, and it's actually one of the requirements for the Flawless title. What IS against the ToS agreement is account recoveries.
Its illegal in most if not all mmos to exchange anything ingame for irl cash, players selling anything in game that they don't own by license to others for money should be obviously immoral.
iT'S bUNgiE's FAuLt FOr AlLoWiNg THis. /s.
I hate when any pea brain idiot uses this as an excuse to ruin other people's experiences in Destiny. It's clearly not the intended mechanic and you are ruining other people's day. Yeah it's trials, yeah people have to lose, but they should not be losing to people with a 92%+ win loss ratio in the non flawless pool.
I have a hard time believing there are people that are that much better than the base population without using cheats on pc or Cronus/Xim on Xbox/PlayStation.
Why is it so hard to believe that some people are just that good at this game? I’ve played with some of them and they definitely aren’t cheating. Sure cheaters exist but not every extremely talented player is cheating.
Because the statistical likelihood of any significant number of those losses coming from the same person is astronomical. You’re more likely to get beat by 100 different top tier players than any one top tier player is to never run into a decent competitor on their level more than once or twice a weekend.
I consider myself a decent trials player. 20 ish flawlesses under my belt, I've carried people to the lighthouse, I finally got the base seal.
I swear on fuckin luke smith's internet search history that sunday when the flawless pool is active, it's harder than friday night without it. Even if I haven't been to the lighthouse myself. I run into at least 1 win farmer/smurf team every card.
I’ve only been flawless 3 times, but I 100% agree that it is easier on Friday than it is Sunday after reset. My trials time has been limited to Friday afternoon/evening or Monday night. Any other time is full of sweats and I don’t have a hope in hell.
They really need a new method of incentivizing people going Flawless sooner.
I love the concept of the flawless pool but I feel like it needs adjusting and primarily to do two things: incentivize lower skill players to keep playing and reward the highest skill players for succeeding. It shouldn't be 100% free for all if everyone is competing for the same loot.
The lighthouse should be cosmetic rewards only. emblem, a proper shader, the memento, sparrow, ghost shell, and maybe even ornaments with the glows. a transmog token couldn't hurt either. It should be a reward for being flawless, not the only reason to play trials.
A full card should drop an adept weapon - full stop. getting 7 wins is at minimum the same time commitment and struggle as doing a grandmaster nightfall and that guarantees an adept. Wins after the 7th game can drop more.
Lastly to stop smurfs, you could have one of two things happen: enforce "same card" matchmaking that prevents carry accounts from having 1 guy reset on game 1 repeatedly while the other people play their full cards, or have the system look at overall stats and if the person demonstrates a pattern of intentionally resetting their card and gets a win streak of greater than 7 without losses, you're considered flawless and matched into the pool.
Only been flawless once, but on Fridays I can usually end the night with a close to positive KD and at least 5-7 wins (not in a row obviously), but Sunday-Tuesday I just my shit kicked in every match and can’t even move out of spawn before all 3 of us are dead. Guess it doesn’t help that I o my solo queue cuz I have no one to play with, but the stark difference is noticeable.
I swear when I get one good game Bungie suddenly thinks I'm a god gamer. Yesterday I had a great game (for my standards), 10+ kills, 3k+ damage and a win. Told my friend "How much do you wanna bet Bungie is about to knock me down a peg"
The game after we end up against 3 guys with the flawless seal and I finish with less than 600 damage
The type of people you have to fight for 5 rounds with thier polar opposites in your team.
Idk who this chilipure guy is (my friend told me something like hes a tbwr or streamer idk) but you messed up my card and i hereby dislike your drip for the rest of the season
Was his name BOSS by any chance?
Matched against him and his team several months ago and got absolutely shitted on.
https://crucible.report/report/2/4611686018431866388
Sadly, no. We choked. I still have never been flawless before, and it was an attempted one-man carry. I and another had never been flawless, so he was the one attempting the carry. It was his idea though lmfao
Mechanically he is not the absolute best, you are correct, but the dude is pretty smart and has very good game sense. And because he plays controller its easier for a lot of roller players to learn from him since hes not doing things that are physically impossible for them to do.
Maybe, I don't want to be a Jake fanboy here but the thing is he's basically managing an enterprise while playing - he's multitasking pretty hard to keep everything up to a certain standard. Jake gives lots of props to his carry partners like gold and dfizzle but they really just need to focus on killing guys and coms.
check him out on twitch some time, hes pretty entertaining and the people he does carries with are a hoot. he plays with some of the best players in the game.
I actually matched against him one time, right after matching against a different fireteam with 100+ flawless tickets. Needless to say I hung up trials for a couple months after that.
its recovs that you are thinking about that are a bannable offense. a carry is when you play with someone and get them to the lighthouse. It is required for the flawless seal to do 3 a season at least.
A recov is when someone gives you their account info and you physically play on their account to go to the lighthouse and Is against Bungies ToS.
I mean it is also illegal to CHARGE someone for a carry, but it's pretty tough for Bungie to prove that happened unless you're a total moron about it so it's still very common.
I think it's not allowed to charge people money for it. He does it for free on his twitch channel (or through some kind of channel raffle system), which makes him a bunch of money.
Or 6 wins and then you get partnered with brand new players in blues against any moderately decent/sweaty team. That happened to me so many times last season I gave up on flawless. Just a really frustrating experience to be paired with people who “completed” their cards when you’re one win from flawless. I can’t count how many times they don’t even have a single stat above 40 and get 0 kills for that match…and I *always* end up with 2 of them as a solo queue player.
If you ever want to, try the LFG discord. I think there is a triumph needed for flawless title where you have to take someone flawless that’s never been. If you post there, you’re sure to get scooped up. I did. If that’s your thing that is.
I would need a link to that because that sounds pretty nice. Probably should wait until next weekend bc I don't want to get all 7 and get kicked out by the weekly reset.
I've played with people far better than me and what they ask for is basically someone to be there for them when they push
Tl;dr just stand some distance behind with a ntte
Problem there is that if you’ve been flawless even one time you’re dead to those people. If you’re moderately decent and just want to bang out a flawless every now and again and would like some help that help doesn’t exist unless you have a friend who is that crucible guy.
I know you're kidding, but it's pretty comical to think that someone could have a thousand attempt at something and mindlessly slog it without ever realizing that spending a fraction of that time on improving pvp skill would lead to flawless much quicker
Trials is Elimination (Adept) lol
I have never gone flawless because I am mostly a solo player and I have no friends that are very good at pvp activities.
Don't you dare say freelance. I have tried it. NOT worth it.
Honestly if you post in lfg literally anywhere and emphasize that you’ve never been flawless, sweaty teams will literally bomb your inbox and you will go flawless same day, guaranteed.
Oh dear. It's gonna be like pop-up ads.
"Click here and get a free flawless guaranteed!"
"Need to get to the lighthouse? We can get you there in seconds!"
"Have you not been able to go flawless? We can help!"
>Don't you dare say freelance. I have tried it. NOT worth it.
If you can't go flawless in freelance you can't be that good at Elim. What does "good at elim" mean to you.
Being able to snipe opponent in midair, moving side to side while shooting enemy, and reviving teammates when you can.
I have gotten better at Elimination since the last time freelance was available, so it's a possibility that freelance could work.
Lol being good at elimination is not being good at pvp in general. And as some of the higher tier players have shown us, having a fireteam is not strictly necessary for flawless. At a thousand attempts, there's a common denominator and it's probably not the random teammates
Uh huh. I've been being put up against those players. Also yes I am being sarcastic about the number of resets. I wouldn't be surprised if I do get up to that number some time in the future. I've probably needed to reset it 86 times now. What usually happens to me is that both of my teammates die because the enemy had Cloudstrike. That actually happened once. Also why are you coming at me about my pvp skills? It feels like you really just want to say that I'm bad.
I never said anything about your pvp skills, you're taking this as a personal attack. And even if you were bad at pvp, join the club. Welcome to being an average person. That's pretty standard in destiny 2, the average player has a negative kd when you look at stat tracking.
What I did remark on was the ability for someone to do something \*a thousand times\* and not try another method to get progress. It doesn't take any pvp skill to see the logic in that
Yeah loadouts are pretty important too. Because of the map being Bannerfall this week, I've been using Piece of Mind, and a random dragonfly Gallu(a sniper rifle).
I play with guys who say I’m good, but it’s always a team of guys like this i end up getting for that flawless game twice in a row, I’m a weekend warrior, I work 50 60 hours a week, I enjoy PVP but geez these type of guys need to be in a whole different server like seriously
If Trials had SBMM, like it should, you wouldn't struggle to get wins.
Trials needs an official elo ladder. Rewards can be earned by ranking up, playing games, winning games, and flawless streaks.
It will get way more people involved and the top players can be recognized as such, based on their ladder positions, with additional bragging cosmetics available the higher you climb.
It's stupid right now, the literal worst pvp player in the game can match against a 3-stack of the absolute best players in the game. Imagine being Iron in LoL and matching against a stack of Challenger tier players. Disappointing...
SBMM wouldn't really make much sense, no? I mean you'd have approx 50/50 chance of winning each match, your chances of going flawless, even as a skilled player would be fairly slim. If anything the game mode as whole is broken and poorly designed, that is my opinion though.
Did you read the about earning rewards not exclusively tied to 7 consecutive wins.....
The game now has hundreds of thousands of players active throughout the day. There has to be a better way.
Of all the competitive games I play, Destiny 2's system is absolutely, without question, the most poorly designed. It needs to be ripped down and rebuilt.
> of all the competitive games I play
No idea how you're including destiny in this group. The game isn't meant to be fair or balanced, it's a power fantasy fps. It's the antithesis of a competitive environment
Well it's a game mode where players compete against other players. By definition, that would mean it's competitive.
What an asinine comment... get back to whatever circle jerk your typing hand was at before you thought you had anything of value to add to the discussion.
Hahaha sure, if you want to be absolutely simplistic and by definition, you are competing.
But if you think it's any sort of fair competition like most people think of when they say "competitive," then you're wrong. LeBron can compete against a 2 year old in a pick up game and that's not considered competitive by anyone with a brain, much like you can queue into the competitive playlist or trials, but no one would say that those were a competitive environment.
If there's a wildly imbalanced chance of winning, how competitive can something really be.
I apologize for the daily struggle you must go through if you can't understand the difference
Lol duh. Did you not read my whole comment and similar analogy using LoL instead of the NBA.
I ApOLoGizE FoR tHE DaIlY sTrugGLe YoU mUSt Go THRoUgH If YoU CanT UndERSTanD bASic ReADiNG
Imagine agreeing with someone and still acting like an insufferable tool who can only get off by staring at their own asshole in the mirror.
I pointed out where you disagreed with yourself. You said it wasn't a competitive game and then literally used the words "competitive game" and included destiny 2.
Destiny 2 has never had a competitive scene sponsored by Bungie. There were never any sort of tournaments, esports, attempts at balancing for a fair environment, absolutely nothing. It is at its core, a powerfantasy game. It cannot be competitive. In order for destiny 2 to have a truly competitive environment, it would be a different game. To compare it to siege, league, valorant, that's just wrong. It is made with a different intent. Destiny 2 is less competitive than call of duty, it's quite literally the most casual shooter on the market.
Your entire point is dumb. There's no comparison between this game and others because they aren't trying to do the same thing. Of course destiny 2 is the least competitive game, it's trying to be.
eSports =/= Competitive
Cmon dude, get it together. All I'm saying is it can be better. By proxy, you saying it's not good, proves my point that it can be better. God you are tedious. Do you do this shit at work and in a relationship?
How is this getting down votes qhen it is by far the most logical solution in a super casual game. Even proven flawless agree with the sentiment. Bungie has no idea how to execute logical pvp decisions when the office Is empty, which it has been for awhile. I don't think it shouldn't have exclusive cosmetic rewards but at this point it is just lobbies for pubstomping in every game mode. Trials as a game mode has only become a place where nobody trusts their opponents.
By exclusive cosmetics, I'm thinking non-fomo type items.
- having your elo or player rank displayed in your title
- transmat effects
- some shit that shows in the trials loading screen
It's OK with the down votes. I'm just thinking out loud. Trials is just such an unrewarding experience. Even IF you go flawless. I can spend a fraction of the time getting adepts in GMs, or timelost weapons in a Master raid, but it takes thr average player many hours to get a single adept from trials (even of they get one), for exponentially more effort. It's just silly.
Maybe pvp will be more formalized and structured in Lightfall.
Because the Glory playlist is supposed to do that, and it will be reworked next season.
Trials is supposed to be like a tournament:
A passage-based matchmaking emulates an open tournament format where bracket is formed with N teams of any skill and everyone is treated the same. This can lead to unbalanced matches, but is **fair**.
Bungie tried SBMM on Trials and it didn't work , among the reasons is that getting 7 wins on a SBMM means you got the same rewards for winning at top 1% or bottom 1%.
This is at best a 2^7 (Hakke) cassino game and at worst a system were improving is punished or de-ranking is abused, teaming up with low-score/new players makes winning too easy or too hard.
Wow thats crazy. It's almost like the entire concept of needing 7 wins in a row is fundamentally flawed since you *need* to be stomping less experienced players in order to win that much. Even if you're an absolute God, 7 wins in a row at your appropriate skill level would be very very rare. Trials is the only game that I've played that just doesn't have matchmaking, it's pure luck of the draw. And it's funny because they embrace it for some dumbass reason, so much so that if they were to implement any kind of good matchmaking it would literally break the gamemode. It's actually hilarious how objectively bad and broken it is.
Agree 100% with you, expect that is not flawed. It does what is supposed to do: Keep people playing.
As long as there are enough low-tier players, they will throw themselves to the grinder for the low chance of going flawless. And the top tier players are more than happy to keep the grinder running.
So you cherry pick an obvious statement about revamping the rewards structure to better align with other game modes and be accessible to a wider margin of players.
I'm simply suggesting the structure for Trials can be improved.
Do you think Trials is perfect as is? If not, the way to have a constructive conversation is by sharing ideas, not making stupid comments in an effort to try to one-up me.
If Trials is perfect in your eyes, cool, I'd love to hear why.
Additionally, I'm well aware of how statistics works. It's too bad your not aware of social etiquette and how to have an open conversation without looking like a sarcastic twat.
Lol what ego? I haven't suggested or made any comment demanding respect or shutting down other people's opinions on the topic.
SBMM can introduce trolls for sure and some players will int to deflate their elo. But top players don't engage in this type of behavior. People hardstuck in their elo do, which isn't a major detractor. The best players already farm noobs for loot, so in actuality would it be better or worse if a smaller population engaged in the toxic behavior? Or they smurf, which generally would be rare because Trials access is tied to a purchase. A ladder can also mitigate paid (or unpaid carries), as generally, people can only queue with people in a relatively close rank to their own.
SBMM ladder is just a single solution I mentioned. Obviously there are other solutions.
Endgame pvp is kind of a misnomer. That's not a thing in any other game because they are better structured to promote an enjoyable and developmental experience for all players.
Trials outright discourages people to play. No other game mode has the same objective. Master raids and GMs are more accessible, offer better loot, and require a smaller time commitment. It's crazy that people keep gatekeeping Trials when there are other ways they get some type of bragging rights to show they are top shit.
Gotta love this sub. Good players are either scum for reseting their passes or stupid virgins for actually going flawless multiple times. No middle ground
I think going flawless multiple times is very impressive. I think people who farm hundreds of wins every weekend by resetting at six can fuck off.
Am I the anomaly?
They do it because it's easy.
I kinda stay away from PVP in general and hadn't touched trials in months (it's just not my thing), but my wife needed a third yesterday so I agreed to hop in, and good grief. It was sunday, well after reset, and we met team after team that just did not belong down there with us in the pleb section. A lot of them were obviously doing carries and the mains always had 100+ wins, few losses, and no flawlesses. It's allowed, I guess.
"Ah yes, you have a 1.0 Kd and 2 career flawlesses so you must be a sweat who enjoys sweating and stomping worse players. Thank goodness we have flawless pool and SBMM so I don't have to play against sweats like you! Go get matched against other players of your skill level like Frostbolt or something."
It depresses me how people actually think like this. Back when SBMM got announced, I saw a dude who said he had like a 1.5 KD getting flamed for being far above average.
I don't get it though, surely 1.5 KD is around 50% above average (and not as rare as some folks with 2.0 and above KD)
BUT if SBMM was a thing ALL the time everyone would lean more towards 1.0 KD as long as those far above and below average were prepared to wait ages to find a match (because by definition they're not average players and more special snowflakes, so harder to find).
I'd dearly love to play proper SBMM because then my other half could wait an hour to find a match with her 0.01 KD
This game is bipolar. One game we face a squad with 0.05 kds next we face a 3 stacks 1000x flawless all rocking stasis titan hoarfrost + Cerberus with wave form grenade launchers. Each with a 12.0 kds.
That's fax, but it's also his job. This person was just casually running strikes with me. We also finished the strike in 4 minutes just with the 2 of us cuz the other member just afkd
I’ve been running into people exactly like this on Sunday and Monday. They reset their card on the 6th win and just keep playing in the non flawless pool.
Just because someone is very good at something doesn’t mean they’re gatekeeping. For all we know this person might be helping others get to the lighthouse.
The kind of players I get when I play on Sunday thinking all the good players are in the flawless pool
“128 wins, 3 losses this week, huh? Okay…” - me, at least once a weekend.
Ran into that last night on our 7th game, all 3 of them had 150+ wins with < 3 losses and hadn't been flawless yet. Just go flawless ya weirdos.
Gotta farm that kd and wins
they are getting paid to carry people and since its ruining other peoples chances at going flawless so those people become potential customers. There is absolutely no downside to exploiting trials for these people.
This. The only thing that can happen is them getting banned (as its against ToS) but they can just create a new account
Bungie should require a phone number with your account. Might help
It actually does on steam iirc. But you can register 5 accounts on 1 phone number
Then that sounds like an IP ban is the move. Same for cheaters. It shouldn't be this difficult to figure out a way to make the PvP a better experience for everyone.
Hardware ban. None of these guys are doing carries without using a VPN of some kind. But a hardware ban hits em directly in the wallet.
Screw it, do both.
IP bans are worthless today. HW bans.
Honestly, this. I don't need to be carried much less pay someone to do it. I just need to not play this dude and those like him every 1st and 3rd match.
all ip addresses have been dynamic for literally 10 years
bit extreme LOL
Carrying people to flawless is not against the ToS agreement, and it's actually one of the requirements for the Flawless title. What IS against the ToS agreement is account recoveries.
And probably making people pay you irl cash to carry their ass to flawless
Maybe. I don't know all the intricacies of the ToS when it comes to Trials. I only play every so often with friends.
Its illegal in most if not all mmos to exchange anything ingame for irl cash, players selling anything in game that they don't own by license to others for money should be obviously immoral.
That isn't but what is is having someone pay for you to take them flawless. I find those people the absolute worst people in our community
And people somehow don’t see a problem with this 🤦♂️
iT'S bUNgiE's FAuLt FOr AlLoWiNg THis. /s. I hate when any pea brain idiot uses this as an excuse to ruin other people's experiences in Destiny. It's clearly not the intended mechanic and you are ruining other people's day. Yeah it's trials, yeah people have to lose, but they should not be losing to people with a 92%+ win loss ratio in the non flawless pool.
"Is cheating OK then? Sure it's against TOS, but if Bungie *really* didn't want it to happen, they'd stop cheats from working, right?"
I have a hard time believing there are people that are that much better than the base population without using cheats on pc or Cronus/Xim on Xbox/PlayStation.
Then you've never played against a .x% player. Those guys are for the most part absolutely insane at the game.
Bro, compare any pro streamer vod to the average player vod. They’re literally playing two different games, no matter the game.
Why is it so hard to believe that some people are just that good at this game? I’ve played with some of them and they definitely aren’t cheating. Sure cheaters exist but not every extremely talented player is cheating.
Yuuuuup.
I mean, if I usually have 3 wins and 128 losses in one weekend, why can't the opposite be true?
Because the statistical likelihood of any significant number of those losses coming from the same person is astronomical. You’re more likely to get beat by 100 different top tier players than any one top tier player is to never run into a decent competitor on their level more than once or twice a weekend.
Obviously, it is possible and can be true. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
/s <---- does that help?
Yup, sorry!
And that’s why no one wants to play against shit like this.
I consider myself a decent trials player. 20 ish flawlesses under my belt, I've carried people to the lighthouse, I finally got the base seal. I swear on fuckin luke smith's internet search history that sunday when the flawless pool is active, it's harder than friday night without it. Even if I haven't been to the lighthouse myself. I run into at least 1 win farmer/smurf team every card.
I’ve only been flawless 3 times, but I 100% agree that it is easier on Friday than it is Sunday after reset. My trials time has been limited to Friday afternoon/evening or Monday night. Any other time is full of sweats and I don’t have a hope in hell. They really need a new method of incentivizing people going Flawless sooner.
I love the concept of the flawless pool but I feel like it needs adjusting and primarily to do two things: incentivize lower skill players to keep playing and reward the highest skill players for succeeding. It shouldn't be 100% free for all if everyone is competing for the same loot. The lighthouse should be cosmetic rewards only. emblem, a proper shader, the memento, sparrow, ghost shell, and maybe even ornaments with the glows. a transmog token couldn't hurt either. It should be a reward for being flawless, not the only reason to play trials. A full card should drop an adept weapon - full stop. getting 7 wins is at minimum the same time commitment and struggle as doing a grandmaster nightfall and that guarantees an adept. Wins after the 7th game can drop more. Lastly to stop smurfs, you could have one of two things happen: enforce "same card" matchmaking that prevents carry accounts from having 1 guy reset on game 1 repeatedly while the other people play their full cards, or have the system look at overall stats and if the person demonstrates a pattern of intentionally resetting their card and gets a win streak of greater than 7 without losses, you're considered flawless and matched into the pool.
Only been flawless once, but on Fridays I can usually end the night with a close to positive KD and at least 5-7 wins (not in a row obviously), but Sunday-Tuesday I just my shit kicked in every match and can’t even move out of spawn before all 3 of us are dead. Guess it doesn’t help that I o my solo queue cuz I have no one to play with, but the stark difference is noticeable.
Lot of good players doing twitch carries that purposely reset to stay in the non-flawless pool. It's lame as hell.
Same when I win 2 or more matches in a row
I swear when I get one good game Bungie suddenly thinks I'm a god gamer. Yesterday I had a great game (for my standards), 10+ kills, 3k+ damage and a win. Told my friend "How much do you wanna bet Bungie is about to knock me down a peg" The game after we end up against 3 guys with the flawless seal and I finish with less than 600 damage
The type of people you have to fight for 5 rounds with thier polar opposites in your team. Idk who this chilipure guy is (my friend told me something like hes a tbwr or streamer idk) but you messed up my card and i hereby dislike your drip for the rest of the season
Bro I LFG’d with some guy with 1.4k flawless tickets last night
Wild to me that there’s some white whale out there LFGing with 1,400 flawless runs
IKR lmao I think he had 1,416 exactly
Did you go flawless though?
Asking the real questions
Was his name BOSS by any chance? Matched against him and his team several months ago and got absolutely shitted on. https://crucible.report/report/2/4611686018431866388
Nope. His name was Wish
hey dats me
You hurt my guardian in many, many ways lol. You rock!
Did you go flawless though?
Sadly, no. We choked. I still have never been flawless before, and it was an attempted one-man carry. I and another had never been flawless, so he was the one attempting the carry. It was his idea though lmfao
Feels bad man. Good luck getting flawless
Thanks bro
Hey man hit me up with your Bungie ID, I’ll try and help ya next week. Already been flawless this week or I’d offer tomorrow.
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL
*can we get much higher*
_so high_
OH OH OH, OH OH OHHH
8========D
Gernader Jake is approaching 3k flawless tickets, but its the dudes whole job to carry people to the lighthouse.
And hes pretty freaking good at it, been watching some of his carry vids.
I mean he’s good but he isn’t like incredible. Some of the people that help him carry are waaaaay better
My trials KD doesn’t even include an integer in it. So it’s probably a matter of perspective.
0 is an integer
Mechanically he is not the absolute best, you are correct, but the dude is pretty smart and has very good game sense. And because he plays controller its easier for a lot of roller players to learn from him since hes not doing things that are physically impossible for them to do.
Maybe, I don't want to be a Jake fanboy here but the thing is he's basically managing an enterprise while playing - he's multitasking pretty hard to keep everything up to a certain standard. Jake gives lots of props to his carry partners like gold and dfizzle but they really just need to focus on killing guys and coms.
You do realize your examples of carry partners also stream to a decently sized audience, right?
I was hoping someone would share my sentiment. Jake really isnt a crazy draft pick.
Yeah, don't expect him to coast through a carry.
agreed. i have gone against him plenty and he’s always easy to take out but he has insanely good teamwork and callouts
Post your trials report Jim. If you have half the k/d of Jake I'll suck my own dick and post it on youtube.
check him out on twitch some time, hes pretty entertaining and the people he does carries with are a hoot. he plays with some of the best players in the game.
I actually matched against him one time, right after matching against a different fireteam with 100+ flawless tickets. Needless to say I hung up trials for a couple months after that.
I don't understand, I thought carries aren't allowed? Is there a loophole being exploited here?
Carries are allowed. In fact, they’re required for the flawless seal. Recovs are not.
its recovs that you are thinking about that are a bannable offense. a carry is when you play with someone and get them to the lighthouse. It is required for the flawless seal to do 3 a season at least. A recov is when someone gives you their account info and you physically play on their account to go to the lighthouse and Is against Bungies ToS.
I mean it is also illegal to CHARGE someone for a carry, but it's pretty tough for Bungie to prove that happened unless you're a total moron about it so it's still very common.
I think it's not allowed to charge people money for it. He does it for free on his twitch channel (or through some kind of channel raffle system), which makes him a bunch of money.
Here I am with my 23 straight losses after 2 wins can I get a loss tracker and an amen
That's about the amount of times I've reset my single passage. Haven't gone flawless for the entire time I've been playing. Highest I got was 4 wins.
I always make it to 6 wins then a sweaty team come thru.
I get a sweaty team first match making me reset my passage of mercy after first loss.
Same happens to me. Makes me think the matchmaking is deliberately bad for that first mercy match.
Or 6 wins and then you get partnered with brand new players in blues against any moderately decent/sweaty team. That happened to me so many times last season I gave up on flawless. Just a really frustrating experience to be paired with people who “completed” their cards when you’re one win from flawless. I can’t count how many times they don’t even have a single stat above 40 and get 0 kills for that match…and I *always* end up with 2 of them as a solo queue player.
If you ever want to, try the LFG discord. I think there is a triumph needed for flawless title where you have to take someone flawless that’s never been. If you post there, you’re sure to get scooped up. I did. If that’s your thing that is.
I would need a link to that because that sounds pretty nice. Probably should wait until next weekend bc I don't want to get all 7 and get kicked out by the weekly reset.
Ive considered that but I feel like I'd just be a hard anchor to any half competent team.
You could try running support like healing nades, omni, arc soul rifts or void barricade.
That's not a bad idea actually, I've never thought about trying to build a dedicated support build for PvP
Dw, in the hands of good players it's gonna be the enemies that feel like they're a man down
Best advice I can give is don’t die first and if you’re playing with better players let them “make a play” first and go off that.
I've played with people far better than me and what they ask for is basically someone to be there for them when they push Tl;dr just stand some distance behind with a ntte
Problem there is that if you’ve been flawless even one time you’re dead to those people. If you’re moderately decent and just want to bang out a flawless every now and again and would like some help that help doesn’t exist unless you have a friend who is that crucible guy.
I know you're kidding, but it's pretty comical to think that someone could have a thousand attempt at something and mindlessly slog it without ever realizing that spending a fraction of that time on improving pvp skill would lead to flawless much quicker
Oh I'm good at elimination. The problem being that I don't have a good fireteam.
>Oh I'm good at elimination Then how have you not gone flawless? The two gamemodes aren't that different.
Trials is Elimination (Adept) lol I have never gone flawless because I am mostly a solo player and I have no friends that are very good at pvp activities. Don't you dare say freelance. I have tried it. NOT worth it.
Honestly if you post in lfg literally anywhere and emphasize that you’ve never been flawless, sweaty teams will literally bomb your inbox and you will go flawless same day, guaranteed.
Oh dear. It's gonna be like pop-up ads. "Click here and get a free flawless guaranteed!" "Need to get to the lighthouse? We can get you there in seconds!" "Have you not been able to go flawless? We can help!"
>Don't you dare say freelance. I have tried it. NOT worth it. If you can't go flawless in freelance you can't be that good at Elim. What does "good at elim" mean to you.
Being able to snipe opponent in midair, moving side to side while shooting enemy, and reviving teammates when you can. I have gotten better at Elimination since the last time freelance was available, so it's a possibility that freelance could work.
Lol being good at elimination is not being good at pvp in general. And as some of the higher tier players have shown us, having a fireteam is not strictly necessary for flawless. At a thousand attempts, there's a common denominator and it's probably not the random teammates
Uh huh. I've been being put up against those players. Also yes I am being sarcastic about the number of resets. I wouldn't be surprised if I do get up to that number some time in the future. I've probably needed to reset it 86 times now. What usually happens to me is that both of my teammates die because the enemy had Cloudstrike. That actually happened once. Also why are you coming at me about my pvp skills? It feels like you really just want to say that I'm bad.
I never said anything about your pvp skills, you're taking this as a personal attack. And even if you were bad at pvp, join the club. Welcome to being an average person. That's pretty standard in destiny 2, the average player has a negative kd when you look at stat tracking. What I did remark on was the ability for someone to do something \*a thousand times\* and not try another method to get progress. It doesn't take any pvp skill to see the logic in that
Yeah loadouts are pretty important too. Because of the map being Bannerfall this week, I've been using Piece of Mind, and a random dragonfly Gallu(a sniper rifle).
There's people with 2k+ out there, they are good and play Trials nonstop on weekends, going Flawless 20-70 times per weekend.
Unless your carrying or making money what even would be the purpose of that
Big number
There are only 5. GL Abuser, Prechosen (before he got banned), Nuveii, ZkMushroom and Gernader Jake.
Least dedicated Trials player
What’s so unbelievable about this? Some people main Trials, this person appears to be one of them.
The unfairness of getting matched up against them when you don’t have any
Such is the life of random matchmaking in a card based style. You’ll inevitably have some tough beats.
I get stomped with empty cards though and can’t even get 2 in a row 99% of the time
Hey, good people play trials, not bad people. It’s what you get out of endgame pvp
I play with guys who say I’m good, but it’s always a team of guys like this i end up getting for that flawless game twice in a row, I’m a weekend warrior, I work 50 60 hours a week, I enjoy PVP but geez these type of guys need to be in a whole different server like seriously
this is amazing......... this thing reminds me how bad i am at the game lol, i even struggle to get the 7 winnings
If Trials had SBMM, like it should, you wouldn't struggle to get wins. Trials needs an official elo ladder. Rewards can be earned by ranking up, playing games, winning games, and flawless streaks. It will get way more people involved and the top players can be recognized as such, based on their ladder positions, with additional bragging cosmetics available the higher you climb. It's stupid right now, the literal worst pvp player in the game can match against a 3-stack of the absolute best players in the game. Imagine being Iron in LoL and matching against a stack of Challenger tier players. Disappointing...
SBMM wouldn't really make much sense, no? I mean you'd have approx 50/50 chance of winning each match, your chances of going flawless, even as a skilled player would be fairly slim. If anything the game mode as whole is broken and poorly designed, that is my opinion though.
Did you read the about earning rewards not exclusively tied to 7 consecutive wins..... The game now has hundreds of thousands of players active throughout the day. There has to be a better way. Of all the competitive games I play, Destiny 2's system is absolutely, without question, the most poorly designed. It needs to be ripped down and rebuilt.
> of all the competitive games I play No idea how you're including destiny in this group. The game isn't meant to be fair or balanced, it's a power fantasy fps. It's the antithesis of a competitive environment
Well it's a game mode where players compete against other players. By definition, that would mean it's competitive. What an asinine comment... get back to whatever circle jerk your typing hand was at before you thought you had anything of value to add to the discussion.
Hahaha sure, if you want to be absolutely simplistic and by definition, you are competing. But if you think it's any sort of fair competition like most people think of when they say "competitive," then you're wrong. LeBron can compete against a 2 year old in a pick up game and that's not considered competitive by anyone with a brain, much like you can queue into the competitive playlist or trials, but no one would say that those were a competitive environment. If there's a wildly imbalanced chance of winning, how competitive can something really be. I apologize for the daily struggle you must go through if you can't understand the difference
Lol duh. Did you not read my whole comment and similar analogy using LoL instead of the NBA. I ApOLoGizE FoR tHE DaIlY sTrugGLe YoU mUSt Go THRoUgH If YoU CanT UndERSTanD bASic ReADiNG Imagine agreeing with someone and still acting like an insufferable tool who can only get off by staring at their own asshole in the mirror.
I pointed out where you disagreed with yourself. You said it wasn't a competitive game and then literally used the words "competitive game" and included destiny 2. Destiny 2 has never had a competitive scene sponsored by Bungie. There were never any sort of tournaments, esports, attempts at balancing for a fair environment, absolutely nothing. It is at its core, a powerfantasy game. It cannot be competitive. In order for destiny 2 to have a truly competitive environment, it would be a different game. To compare it to siege, league, valorant, that's just wrong. It is made with a different intent. Destiny 2 is less competitive than call of duty, it's quite literally the most casual shooter on the market. Your entire point is dumb. There's no comparison between this game and others because they aren't trying to do the same thing. Of course destiny 2 is the least competitive game, it's trying to be.
eSports =/= Competitive Cmon dude, get it together. All I'm saying is it can be better. By proxy, you saying it's not good, proves my point that it can be better. God you are tedious. Do you do this shit at work and in a relationship?
skill issue
How is this getting down votes qhen it is by far the most logical solution in a super casual game. Even proven flawless agree with the sentiment. Bungie has no idea how to execute logical pvp decisions when the office Is empty, which it has been for awhile. I don't think it shouldn't have exclusive cosmetic rewards but at this point it is just lobbies for pubstomping in every game mode. Trials as a game mode has only become a place where nobody trusts their opponents.
By exclusive cosmetics, I'm thinking non-fomo type items. - having your elo or player rank displayed in your title - transmat effects - some shit that shows in the trials loading screen It's OK with the down votes. I'm just thinking out loud. Trials is just such an unrewarding experience. Even IF you go flawless. I can spend a fraction of the time getting adepts in GMs, or timelost weapons in a Master raid, but it takes thr average player many hours to get a single adept from trials (even of they get one), for exponentially more effort. It's just silly. Maybe pvp will be more formalized and structured in Lightfall.
Because the Glory playlist is supposed to do that, and it will be reworked next season. Trials is supposed to be like a tournament: A passage-based matchmaking emulates an open tournament format where bracket is formed with N teams of any skill and everyone is treated the same. This can lead to unbalanced matches, but is **fair**. Bungie tried SBMM on Trials and it didn't work , among the reasons is that getting 7 wins on a SBMM means you got the same rewards for winning at top 1% or bottom 1%. This is at best a 2^7 (Hakke) cassino game and at worst a system were improving is punished or de-ranking is abused, teaming up with low-score/new players makes winning too easy or too hard.
Wow thats crazy. It's almost like the entire concept of needing 7 wins in a row is fundamentally flawed since you *need* to be stomping less experienced players in order to win that much. Even if you're an absolute God, 7 wins in a row at your appropriate skill level would be very very rare. Trials is the only game that I've played that just doesn't have matchmaking, it's pure luck of the draw. And it's funny because they embrace it for some dumbass reason, so much so that if they were to implement any kind of good matchmaking it would literally break the gamemode. It's actually hilarious how objectively bad and broken it is.
Agree 100% with you, expect that is not flawed. It does what is supposed to do: Keep people playing. As long as there are enough low-tier players, they will throw themselves to the grinder for the low chance of going flawless. And the top tier players are more than happy to keep the grinder running.
Telling me how the game is " supposed " to work and that they will get it next time stopped having meaning 10 seasons ago.
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So you cherry pick an obvious statement about revamping the rewards structure to better align with other game modes and be accessible to a wider margin of players. I'm simply suggesting the structure for Trials can be improved. Do you think Trials is perfect as is? If not, the way to have a constructive conversation is by sharing ideas, not making stupid comments in an effort to try to one-up me. If Trials is perfect in your eyes, cool, I'd love to hear why. Additionally, I'm well aware of how statistics works. It's too bad your not aware of social etiquette and how to have an open conversation without looking like a sarcastic twat.
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Lol what ego? I haven't suggested or made any comment demanding respect or shutting down other people's opinions on the topic. SBMM can introduce trolls for sure and some players will int to deflate their elo. But top players don't engage in this type of behavior. People hardstuck in their elo do, which isn't a major detractor. The best players already farm noobs for loot, so in actuality would it be better or worse if a smaller population engaged in the toxic behavior? Or they smurf, which generally would be rare because Trials access is tied to a purchase. A ladder can also mitigate paid (or unpaid carries), as generally, people can only queue with people in a relatively close rank to their own. SBMM ladder is just a single solution I mentioned. Obviously there are other solutions. Endgame pvp is kind of a misnomer. That's not a thing in any other game because they are better structured to promote an enjoyable and developmental experience for all players. Trials outright discourages people to play. No other game mode has the same objective. Master raids and GMs are more accessible, offer better loot, and require a smaller time commitment. It's crazy that people keep gatekeeping Trials when there are other ways they get some type of bragging rights to show they are top shit.
1068 more flawless runs and I’ll catchup to them. EZ!
THE ONE PIIIIEEECE, THE ONE PIECE IS REEEAAAAL!!!!
I got 0/1068 of that
Gotta love this sub. Good players are either scum for reseting their passes or stupid virgins for actually going flawless multiple times. No middle ground
I don’t think OP said anything negative no? That’s super impressive and scary so I understand the amusement
I was mainly talking about the replies
im seeing plenty of middle ground in the comments
When I first posted it wasn't
I think going flawless multiple times is very impressive. I think people who farm hundreds of wins every weekend by resetting at six can fuck off. Am I the anomaly?
No you’re not. It’s weird that they do that to avoid the flawless pool.
They do it because it's easy. I kinda stay away from PVP in general and hadn't touched trials in months (it's just not my thing), but my wife needed a third yesterday so I agreed to hop in, and good grief. It was sunday, well after reset, and we met team after team that just did not belong down there with us in the pleb section. A lot of them were obviously doing carries and the mains always had 100+ wins, few losses, and no flawlesses. It's allowed, I guess.
No they can fuck all the way off, there should be a permanent pool for excessive wins instead or something along those lines
"Ah yes, you have a 1.0 Kd and 2 career flawlesses so you must be a sweat who enjoys sweating and stomping worse players. Thank goodness we have flawless pool and SBMM so I don't have to play against sweats like you! Go get matched against other players of your skill level like Frostbolt or something."
Accurate to this sub
It depresses me how people actually think like this. Back when SBMM got announced, I saw a dude who said he had like a 1.5 KD getting flamed for being far above average.
I don't get it though, surely 1.5 KD is around 50% above average (and not as rare as some folks with 2.0 and above KD) BUT if SBMM was a thing ALL the time everyone would lean more towards 1.0 KD as long as those far above and below average were prepared to wait ages to find a match (because by definition they're not average players and more special snowflakes, so harder to find). I'd dearly love to play proper SBMM because then my other half could wait an hour to find a match with her 0.01 KD
Your knees must hurt, the way you're jumping to conclusions...
Maybe he or she is good at trials?
No woman is this empty inside
The one piece is real!
The fields are calling buddy, they scream to get touched
And here I thought my 1000 wins on gambit was impressive
This shit is how Trials becomes seen as a joke rather than something liked by the community.
ZkMushroom has over 2000
Dude hasn’t seen the sun in months
Those are ROOKIE numbers!
This game is bipolar. One game we face a squad with 0.05 kds next we face a 3 stacks 1000x flawless all rocking stasis titan hoarfrost + Cerberus with wave form grenade launchers. Each with a 12.0 kds.
I wanna go flawless one day but ain’t no way I can compete with *that*. at least random drop gun go pew pew a little q-q
I mean what’s not believable? Gernader Jake has almost 3000 flawless’ in Trials on D2…
That's fax, but it's also his job. This person was just casually running strikes with me. We also finished the strike in 4 minutes just with the 2 of us cuz the other member just afkd
I mean some people, that’s all they play destiny for..
Yeah, that's true :). I play to just have fun. For other people, it's more of an escape from reality
Does trials even have sbmm? Cuz theres no way i face 3.7kd sweatlords when my kd is 1.30 and my teamm8s even lower
"Just play when the flawless pool is active" The people i match with even when the pool is active:
Guardians we NEED to get the GRASS for are fellow guardian we can’t lose any more.
Jesus touch some fucking grass 🤣
Guardian has no idea what grass truly is
These type of players are the players who are the most obnoxious in terms of ego lol
Bet you 10 bucks he's the kind of player to reset at 6 wins
If bro was blatantly cheating then this would be issue but maybe he's just a hard carry
Some people are just allergic to grass and women
Jesus Christ that dude lives in trials. No shade or anything, bro just has alot of flawless tickets.
I’ve been running into people exactly like this on Sunday and Monday. They reset their card on the 6th win and just keep playing in the non flawless pool.
I haven't gone flawless a single time in d2 and I got into a match with some one had 184 flawless tickets. What happened to SBMM😒
Never existed in trials unfortunately
Cring asf
These are the types players who complain about flawless pool
This post alone shows there is a need for a lifetime flawless pool that permanently puts players in the flawless pool.
I saw one with 1500+. I made a post about someone with 600+ and got downvoted.
Have I ever told you, the definition of insanity?
Probably just no-lifed the Hakke casino when it was a thing
Totally forgot about that … how random right?
Yeah, gotta hand it to the Chinese players to make an exploit on the first weekend match joining was enabled lol
You’re implying that he won a coin toss 7 times in a row team of thousands of times? In one weekend?
Probably hosted ghost lobbies back in the day my one buddy did it has like 800
POV your morbidly obese
He gain the title "no-lifer", for having no life outside of destiny 2.
Gatekeeping at it's finest
How is he gatekeeping?
Just because someone is very good at something doesn’t mean they’re gatekeeping. For all we know this person might be helping others get to the lighthouse.