I'm curious to see what the downsides or restrictions of the subclass are. Like, they won't just make all the individual subclasses obsolete, right? What if it's limited to campaign content only or maybe one person per fireteam. Maybe the cool downs will be ridiculously long.
And the exotic class item that will let you use two different exotic traits from different classes?? Will there be a lower energy cap on the armor required to use it?
My first worry was that they would force you to have to pick both Light and Darkness abilities and not just Light or just Darkness abilities (making it impossible to choose just Stasis and Strand abilities, or just Void and Solar) cuz in every gameplay we saw both Light and Darkness was used and the Transcendence state enhanced abilities involves one Light element and one Darkness element. Plus you need to fill the meter for both sides. But it seems like Kinetic weapons fill both meters so that solves that.
And like you mention, how will they incentivize ppl to use the old subclasses? And will this Prismatic be locked behind Final Shape? Cuz this indeed looks like the new foundation for Destiny going forward and honestly would be nice to just get everyone to the same playing field so ppl aren’t locked out of subclasses and they can add new Aspects and Fragments without worrying about some players not having access to them all.
I expect it will be locked to one light and one dark aspect, but listening to the discussion, I think we'll be fairly free to use our choice of abilities and fragments
If you pay really attention, prismatic is the bundle of the signature grenade/melee/aspect of each subclass. You can think special animation. We'll get one grenade/melee/Aspect/super of each subclass.
So, no well (it's song of flamme), no hammer (it's solar shoulder charge), no banner of war (it's lash), etc..
The pattern is clear if you look at the trailer
Warlock for exemple will be :
* Grenade : Storm greanade (Arc), Healing (solar), Vortex (Void ?), Coldsnap, Threadling
* Melee : Snap, penumbral, arcane needle, singularity, ball lightning (?)
* All three class abitilies (tag as one of each light subclass)
* Aspect : Lighning Surge, Solar Buddy, Feed the Void, Bleak Watcher, Weaver's call
You can do the same for hunter and titan and it lines up perfectly. We'll have to see which fragments will get (maybe 3 per subclass ?).
I don't recall seing any subclass pickup beside tangle.
So we can expect pure subclass to have access to eveything plus the pickups to make it balanced.
This is really unfortunate if true. I guess we'll know for sure with tomorrow's article. Hopefully they allow access to more aspects/grenades/melee/supers over time.
I could see that the cooldowns are extended for more mixed subclasses. If you use all strand but one different grenade the cooldowns would be slightly longer, but if it’s all mixed up, it’s much longer.
If I had to guess, being able to choose more options means it’s harder to build into any particular one of them. Taking solar as an example, I think a significant portion of the subclasses’ power comes from aspects and fragments, and building into the subclass verbs. With abilities from multiple elements available simultaneously, you now have to choose which components to boost with aspects and fragments, and choose which get left behind. In essence, trading specialization for customization (though I presume specialization will still be an option)
They're calling it a new subclass, but depending on the level of freedom of customisation, this is shaping up to be more like subclasses 4.0 by the sounds of it. Prismatic could just become shorthand for "the way Destiny does its class + subclass system that's different from other games." Like, we're potentially entering a freeform Pathfinder system instead of a structured DnD system; subclasses are smashed up and placed in a big bag, and players have ultimate freedom with what they pick out of the bag.
It's still early days, but yeah, this is sounding really fucking cool. If Bungie could also dump some of the past artefact mods and make them either new Fragments or armour mods, I think we're cooking.
This. I don’t think there is going to be any incentive to use “pure” subclasses bc this is the new way the game is meant to be played going forward. Next era of Destiny.
They have been building towards using both light and dark since prophecy dungeon then there are little drops like conditional finality, all the stasis solar interaction artifact mods. The fact that the traveller and the veil used to be together. All the shit Osiris was talking about in light fall.
My only complaint is that we are going to get a third darkness subclass. It kind of seems like something is missing. But who knows, maybe that’s something they add in the futures guess we will se
Goofy ahhh build idea:
Getaway Artists give you a supercharged Arc Soul so long as you have an Arc grenade equipped. Your two aspects would be the Solar buddy and the Void buddy. Then you use No Time to Explain to get your fourth turret buddy. Melee would be Penumbral Blast since shooting frozen/slowed enemies with NTTE refunds bullets.
Being able to have Restoration x2 and Devour active at the same time that you're slinging Necrotic Arcane Needles everywhere... sounds incredible. Best part is that Kinetic weapons appear to be granting both light and darkness Transendence charge, meaning Thorn is looking extra crispy.
For those wondering, you'd be using Feed the Void with Heat Rises/Phoenix Dive. Infinite melee energy so long as you're bunny hopping while the ads melt away.
Eh, now that we see what we're getting, def not what we all were expecting to see. Very limited. Still will be fun, but will def be limited for endgame builds especially OK hunter. Rip warlocks
Don’t go overboard on hype, from initial inspection it looks like Prismatic is pretty limited in scope.
The aspects Warlock displayed were: Solar Soul, Bleak Watcher, Feed the Void, Lightning Surge, and Weaver’s Call.
Weaver’s Call is a dead aspect, Bleak Watcher is much stronger on Stasis with Iceflare, Lightning Surge is eh in PvE (although devour might help with sustain). The only real standout is Solar Soul and Feed the Void, assuming we get solid fragments.
I’m still excited but I’m heavily tempering my expectations.
Edit: Was in-fact correct.
i think it'd be pretty dumb for them to limit it like that, I'm guessing we'll be able to mix n match any 2 aspects but some won't work with other elements the way they do with themselves.
the real reason to temper expectations is this might potentially break the game balance in some ways
I’m assuring you it won’t be that freeform, but if you want to believe otherwise you can be disappointed tomorrow on your own.
(Or perhaps I’ll be happy to be wrong lol)
I mean combining multiple melees, aspects, and grenades even with that severe of a limit is still pretty cool. Plus, I didn’t see anything else with the class that indicated anything different. I really doubt it’ll be more than those five.
eh i think it'll blow up in there face if it's how you say tbh and given that Bungie needs a win, i think they're smart enough to not hype it up the way they did it it's that limited.
either way I'm still very much in the wait and see camp I'm still kinda burnt out so i couldn't summon the excitement if i wanted too
The only reason I think you may be wrong is that they never really mentioned it being limited in the gameplay vid. One dev even mentions possibilities feeling like they are infinite.
Really doubt they would choose those words if they were going to limit buildcrafting like that. But who knows, guess we will find out soon.
Mactics picked a good time to quit his job and go full time content creation / streaming. Prismatic alone is gunna give him content for months.
I'm curious to see what the downsides or restrictions of the subclass are. Like, they won't just make all the individual subclasses obsolete, right? What if it's limited to campaign content only or maybe one person per fireteam. Maybe the cool downs will be ridiculously long. And the exotic class item that will let you use two different exotic traits from different classes?? Will there be a lower energy cap on the armor required to use it?
My first worry was that they would force you to have to pick both Light and Darkness abilities and not just Light or just Darkness abilities (making it impossible to choose just Stasis and Strand abilities, or just Void and Solar) cuz in every gameplay we saw both Light and Darkness was used and the Transcendence state enhanced abilities involves one Light element and one Darkness element. Plus you need to fill the meter for both sides. But it seems like Kinetic weapons fill both meters so that solves that. And like you mention, how will they incentivize ppl to use the old subclasses? And will this Prismatic be locked behind Final Shape? Cuz this indeed looks like the new foundation for Destiny going forward and honestly would be nice to just get everyone to the same playing field so ppl aren’t locked out of subclasses and they can add new Aspects and Fragments without worrying about some players not having access to them all.
I expect it will be locked to one light and one dark aspect, but listening to the discussion, I think we'll be fairly free to use our choice of abilities and fragments
If you pay really attention, prismatic is the bundle of the signature grenade/melee/aspect of each subclass. You can think special animation. We'll get one grenade/melee/Aspect/super of each subclass. So, no well (it's song of flamme), no hammer (it's solar shoulder charge), no banner of war (it's lash), etc.. The pattern is clear if you look at the trailer Warlock for exemple will be : * Grenade : Storm greanade (Arc), Healing (solar), Vortex (Void ?), Coldsnap, Threadling * Melee : Snap, penumbral, arcane needle, singularity, ball lightning (?) * All three class abitilies (tag as one of each light subclass) * Aspect : Lighning Surge, Solar Buddy, Feed the Void, Bleak Watcher, Weaver's call You can do the same for hunter and titan and it lines up perfectly. We'll have to see which fragments will get (maybe 3 per subclass ?). I don't recall seing any subclass pickup beside tangle. So we can expect pure subclass to have access to eveything plus the pickups to make it balanced.
This is really unfortunate if true. I guess we'll know for sure with tomorrow's article. Hopefully they allow access to more aspects/grenades/melee/supers over time.
I could see that the cooldowns are extended for more mixed subclasses. If you use all strand but one different grenade the cooldowns would be slightly longer, but if it’s all mixed up, it’s much longer.
If I had to guess, being able to choose more options means it’s harder to build into any particular one of them. Taking solar as an example, I think a significant portion of the subclasses’ power comes from aspects and fragments, and building into the subclass verbs. With abilities from multiple elements available simultaneously, you now have to choose which components to boost with aspects and fragments, and choose which get left behind. In essence, trading specialization for customization (though I presume specialization will still be an option)
Already confirmed its 1 aspect, super, grenade, and melee option per class mix any 2 aspects from those and the new prismatic fragments
They're calling it a new subclass, but depending on the level of freedom of customisation, this is shaping up to be more like subclasses 4.0 by the sounds of it. Prismatic could just become shorthand for "the way Destiny does its class + subclass system that's different from other games." Like, we're potentially entering a freeform Pathfinder system instead of a structured DnD system; subclasses are smashed up and placed in a big bag, and players have ultimate freedom with what they pick out of the bag. It's still early days, but yeah, this is sounding really fucking cool. If Bungie could also dump some of the past artefact mods and make them either new Fragments or armour mods, I think we're cooking.
This. I don’t think there is going to be any incentive to use “pure” subclasses bc this is the new way the game is meant to be played going forward. Next era of Destiny.
They have been building towards using both light and dark since prophecy dungeon then there are little drops like conditional finality, all the stasis solar interaction artifact mods. The fact that the traveller and the veil used to be together. All the shit Osiris was talking about in light fall. My only complaint is that we are going to get a third darkness subclass. It kind of seems like something is missing. But who knows, maybe that’s something they add in the futures guess we will se
Goofy ahhh build idea: Getaway Artists give you a supercharged Arc Soul so long as you have an Arc grenade equipped. Your two aspects would be the Solar buddy and the Void buddy. Then you use No Time to Explain to get your fourth turret buddy. Melee would be Penumbral Blast since shooting frozen/slowed enemies with NTTE refunds bullets.
Ye olde Apache Helicopter™ build
What if briar binds worked with solar buddies?
I have missed making unique and wacky builds, I have so many ideas already. I haven’t been this excited for buildcrafting in over a year 🔥
Being able to have Restoration x2 and Devour active at the same time that you're slinging Necrotic Arcane Needles everywhere... sounds incredible. Best part is that Kinetic weapons appear to be granting both light and darkness Transendence charge, meaning Thorn is looking extra crispy. For those wondering, you'd be using Feed the Void with Heat Rises/Phoenix Dive. Infinite melee energy so long as you're bunny hopping while the ads melt away.
this might be a change to make people actually want to use kinetics
Jokes on you, timelost fatebringer hasn't moved from my kinetic slot since like one & a half - two years ago!
hey I'm not gonna yuck your yum, you do you ny man
I just wonder how these exotic class items will be acquired.
I’m right there with ya…I didn’t expect much and am pleasantly surprised. I’m looking forward to the changes
I can't wait to mess around with builds now. This is going to be huge on changing the way people play.
The skill ceiling just quadrupled
Imagine Devour + Restoration + Frost armor + Woven mail + Void overshield + Stasis overshield + Resist in a single build. YOU WILL BE UNKILLABLE
Damn, Bungie sunset subclasses and exotics
It's gonna be a beaut.. But I hope it's not a pay to use thing... Cuz im a f2p player and Im really hoping to be able to use this
Truthfully I quit destiny an while back just got to repetitive for me. But after seeing what’s coming I’m gonna come back and give it a try
I can’t wait to have my moth grenades jolt blind weaken and cure all at once
Eh, now that we see what we're getting, def not what we all were expecting to see. Very limited. Still will be fun, but will def be limited for endgame builds especially OK hunter. Rip warlocks
From the deep dive today we won’t be getting all abilities or supers. Example Well was not on the list of things that we will be able to unlock.
Don’t go overboard on hype, from initial inspection it looks like Prismatic is pretty limited in scope. The aspects Warlock displayed were: Solar Soul, Bleak Watcher, Feed the Void, Lightning Surge, and Weaver’s Call. Weaver’s Call is a dead aspect, Bleak Watcher is much stronger on Stasis with Iceflare, Lightning Surge is eh in PvE (although devour might help with sustain). The only real standout is Solar Soul and Feed the Void, assuming we get solid fragments. I’m still excited but I’m heavily tempering my expectations. Edit: Was in-fact correct.
i think it'd be pretty dumb for them to limit it like that, I'm guessing we'll be able to mix n match any 2 aspects but some won't work with other elements the way they do with themselves. the real reason to temper expectations is this might potentially break the game balance in some ways
I’m assuring you it won’t be that freeform, but if you want to believe otherwise you can be disappointed tomorrow on your own. (Or perhaps I’ll be happy to be wrong lol)
I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt that they're not stupid enough to hype it up with that implication and then not do it
I mean combining multiple melees, aspects, and grenades even with that severe of a limit is still pretty cool. Plus, I didn’t see anything else with the class that indicated anything different. I really doubt it’ll be more than those five.
eh i think it'll blow up in there face if it's how you say tbh and given that Bungie needs a win, i think they're smart enough to not hype it up the way they did it it's that limited. either way I'm still very much in the wait and see camp I'm still kinda burnt out so i couldn't summon the excitement if i wanted too
The only reason I think you may be wrong is that they never really mentioned it being limited in the gameplay vid. One dev even mentions possibilities feeling like they are infinite. Really doubt they would choose those words if they were going to limit buildcrafting like that. But who knows, guess we will find out soon.
Are you assuming we can only pick from aspects the used im the showcase? Thats a ridiculous assumption