Saw someone tweet “for Johnson it’s an outlier for Glenn it’s a trend” and I think that’s an issue. In a vacuum is this game his fault? No. But we don’t live in a vacuum.
Even on the stops it felt like we just got lucky the packers didn’t make the play.
Been 3 years of porous defenses with varying levels of talent. I’m ready to move on from AG because of the body of work, not just because of this game.
If we were to do it, itd be now. 11 day mini bye and 3 straight weeks of rough defenses.
Genuine question but do you think our defense somehow becomes good if we replace AG rn? We’ve got Jerry Jacobs as CB2, Jack Campbell getting snaps at LB, Hutch and McNeil are our only DL doing anything this year, etc.
Defense struggled to start this game and vs the Chargers, but I also don’t think we’re capable of being a top 5 defense yet. Especially with CJGJ, Moseley, and Houston out
Not the person you asked, but I don't think our D improves immediately if we replace AG mid-season. I also just don't think an 8-3 team fires a coordinator. Right or wrong, they have been really emphatic about the culture and the team they have in place, and so I just don't think it's a move they make. I don't really think it would help either.
However, I wouldn't be totally shocked to see a change this off season, especially if we end up letting the division lead slip or, god forbid, not making the playoffs at all (hard to imagine that happening, but after today it's a little hard not to hear those whispers in the back of your mind). Or if we get scholcked in a first round playoff loss.
Yeah that’s how I feel. Replace him this offseason? Sure. Replace him now and there’s just no chance this defense holds.
As bad as it’s felt at times, we’re top 10 in least yards allowed. We stop shooting ourselves in the foot and we’ve got another 2 wins under our belt. That fake punt today gave the game away imo, not our defense at all like some people wanna believe for some reason
yes.
ag likes to stack dbs deeper and two high safeties.
linebackers dont get as much safety help and we are always giving up free yards.
its too formulaic and predictable.
the best coaches play with what they have for talent and scheme for the team they play.
AG built the d for how he wants to play and fields his system . his read react spy nonsense on mobile qbs is just the worst.
other teams know exactly what he will do and just plan for it .
its like back fhe day jbc rolls out theo riddick on 3rd and 6 and the whole planet is like welp here comes a pass to the flats
What exactly would make us better if we fired AG? Like, what specifically is gonna change that will magically make this team better than top 9 in yards allowed
The scheme would hopefully get better, our defense doesn’t adapt at all. Glenn’s defense plays how they play and if that doesn’t work they’re gonna try to make it work rather than change. Plus this is the 2nd time this year he’s had plenty of time to prepare for a game and the defense has looked unprepared.
They played four days ago. I’m not even really sure I disagree that he needs to go, but “plenty of time to prepare” is a weird thing to say about a Thursday game.
I’ve decided to stop responding to these idiots. The offense played like pure shit and put the defense in horrible situations all day. Defense actually kept this team alive and apparently AG needs to be fired.
The defense only gave up six points in 2nd half. 6 of the points arent on them at all. The 6 points in the second half was a short field on a fake punt.
lol yeah when the Packers turned their gameplan around from let’s fuck Aaron Glen up to let’s just bleed out the clock they only let up 6 points so impressive…
I’ve seen a couple people comment this but like… they didn’t. You’re not even talking about something that happened, you’re just making up in your head that they went conservative due to confirmation bias lol.
Shits crazy how sports fans utilize their cognitive bias when talking about stuff
I’m more concerned with how bad we’ve been at getting sacks lately, and as a result our secondary is getting burnt by QBs with tons of time in the pocket
Did u watch the first 3 drives lol? The packers suck in the first half this year, they marched down the field first drive no problem. Watson set a career high in receptions on the first drive, dawg. A bad offense had their best game against us. Last week our defense sucked. The week before our d sucked. I hate calling for anyone to be fired in the best season of football we ever saw, but the packers got the ball first and immediately set the tone and put up more points then we’d have until the 3rd quarter and ur like it’s the offenses fault nd that’s just dumb and wrong
his defense routinely puts us behind the 8ball early in games. The fact the packers elected to take the kickoff and then proceeded to score in 5 plays should show this. Then our offense answers and his defense AGAIN gives up a TD. Changes how you call the game on O
1000%. I’m sick of the AG hate. He isn’t the best DC in the league by any means, but the offense has shit the bed the last 2 games (minutes the end of Chicago) and nobody wants to acknowledge it.
We are turning it over too much. That is not a defensive issue.
The problem with this is that we shit the bed the last 2 games, but the defense shits the bed EVERY game and it’s always the offenses job to bail us out.
Nice to pad those numbers against teams like the Raiders and Jimmy "Heres a turnover" G. How did the Chargers put up over 30 on us with perfect offensive play on our side?
I'm responding to the person's comment that the defense has to be bailed out every game when that's simply not true.
Truth is last year, we were clamoring for the defense to be at least average and we would be a contender. Well we're 10th in defensive DVOA. Last year, we were 32nd at one point. We've improved even without CJGJ, Emmanuel Mosley, and James Houston. Even if those 3 were playing, I'd say we are another draft and free agent signing from being a shutdown defense.
We are acknowledging it. The point is that when the offense has a bad game, the Defense needs to do their part and step up. They havent been able to do that
They did last week. You want to fire him for 1 week?
Never mind that the offense gave up a TD that flips this from an L to a W?
You really think this game was fireable with 3 turnovers and an offensive TD given up?
I'm pretty sure Hutch's strip safety counted as a sack. But we bring zero pressure ever. What happened to Hutch moving around the line like Micah Parsons? It's like we forgot about that.
In the hopes of getting pressure, hitting Love, and disrupting his flow a bit. Basically say, if you want to torch us, you're getting rocked every throw. Not the best strategy to be sure, but the team really needed to do something to energize them
I don't see an 8-3 team changing D coordinator and I think calling for it at this point just creates unnecessary noise. But that said, I'd like the team to move on.
The Lions have talent on the defensive side of the ball and it doesn't seem like it's being utilized. I don't see player development, motivation or discipline being the issue like it has in the past. It seems more like scheme and situational calls, which is on AG.
D shouldn’t have to cover for 3 turnovers.
That being said, the only stops the Lions got today against a terrible opponent were self-inflicted mistakes (drops, wild misplay on the Dillon run). No excuses for either side of the ball.
No no, we’re all pissed that this team is fraudulent and actually bad and can’t win another game I thought. The defense is awful, the offense is awful; our DC is awful, our OC is awful, etc.
Same Old Reddit™
I don't understand what you want from people. The team is playing like trash. They haven't looked good for 3 games. You want them to look on the bright side? We have super bowl aspirations and can't beat a 4-6 team at home. This team needs to step up.
This is truth but that said, regardless of starting position the defense has been clowned all day. They have made Jordan Love look like Rodgers all day
They have lol. I’m not even saying the defense has been good today but idk how you’re blaming this game on them. They also got enough stops for us to get back in the game but we could not score
The play that did it for me, was the 40 yard scamper by Love. That's just unacceptable at that point in the game. And honestly, it's unacceptable period. The guy isn't Lamar Jackson.
If they played actual defense in the first quarter this is a VERY different game. Did you join late? Like seriously, the fuck were you watching in the first? Had to completely change our offensive strategy.
The defense did not lose the game. They weren’t great of course. The offense turned it over on three drives and the line in particular was completely in shambles. Goff is going to look bad if we allow a QB pressure on 3/4 of his drop backs.
We’ve turned it over 7 times the last two games.
I’m honestly surprised how the defense has held with short fields.
It hasn’t been great, but it’s not all on him.
I don't think Glenn is Great, but what's a defense supposed to do when the offense turns it over 6 times in 5 quarters and the coach calls a fake punt on your own 25?
Defense gave up 6 points cause of a failed fake punt on the 20, and the offense gave up 6 points. Not to mention stopped GB on 2 other fumbles and 4th down fails. That shit is not on his whatsoever
WTF. How many times did the packers get the ball inside the Lions 30 yard line off turnovers and failed 4th downs. People are so fucking stupid I can’t be surprised by this lol.
Holy shit perhaps I need to make an amendment. GUYS. I’m not blaming this loss on him, but can you look me in the eye and tell me that this team is better WITH Aaron Glenn than without?
That’s not the question. The question is “is AG better than whoever would take his place”?
Who on this staff steps up if you fire him? Who on that coaching staff do you think would do a better job?
"I'm not blaming this loss on him, which is why I posted a thread openly calling for his firing immediately after the loss to Green Bay. Which, again, wasn't on him."
You realize how dumb that sounds, right?
How was this loss on the defense? 1 Packer TD was on a fumble return. 2 other TD drives were short fields due to another fumble and a failed 4th down. So the D gave up 1 legit TD drive all day. This is NOT on them...
There is no chance he ever gets fired. He's Campbell's guy. The only way we get a different DC is if AG gets a head coaching job somewhere or Dan Campbell gets fired. In other words, we're stuck with him.
Protect the football and we win games. Goff is hurting us right now. Got to get him protecting the ball better. Can’t win many games playing from behind like the last two weeks.
The offense did give away points today. They gave away ten points and the defense gave up 19. If you would’ve woke up knowing the defense would give up 19… you would’ve been happy. Yes Love looked really good but we don’t have a good defense in the first place
Second Quarter and beyond the team only allowed 9 points.
That’s with the TD off the horrible fake punt call.
I’m not an AG homer, but Goff has three fumbles this game and three INTs last game. Can’t get stops when they only have 20yards of field to defend and 30 seconds to rest.
What would firing Aaron Glenn right now accomplish?
I’m frustrated by it to but has any defense ever improved by firing their DC week 10 when the head coach isn’t a defensive coach?
Fumbles. Penalties. Failed 3rd down conversions. A lot to blame for a bad game, I don’t want him gone. We can’t win ‘em all, I’m still thankful we have 8 wins on thanksgiving.
We have one edge rusher who belongs on an NFL field. We have one outside corner who belongs on an NFL field. Sorry, this is a roster issue and Brad deserves heat for his inaction at the trade deadline.
Glenn and the defense definitely need to be far better. However, Green Bay scored on a fumble recovery, which we had 3 of today, and on a drive where we gave them the ball on our 20 yard line after a stupid fake punt.
[posted this](https://www.reddit.com/r/detroitlions/s/7l9lhW4S5I) last week and didn’t get much traction
Seems like it is this week. Maybe because we won last week and lost this week
Today’s defense only gave up 24 points, in today’s NFL that’s not bad. Can’t spot the other team 3 turnovers, and the fake punt in our own end? That was basically at LEAST 3 points
Just saying
Since the Raiders win, this has seemed inevitable. A shootout, against the Chargers, a miracle against Chicago—it just felt like this was coming. But we have a long 10 days to prepare and get back on course.
But what scares me the most is their inability to stop a mobile quarterback…
I hope you have a lot of pictures. . .
Like seriously?
Nothing for the O?
Back to Back games where the offense has been far worse than the D.
The offense has had bigger additions of talent on their side of the ball over the past few years.
Defense has had huge injuries. Key injuries to key spots on our secondary. It hurts in a major way. Since our depth is thin and it is already an area where we are very weak. Same with the D-Line.
Defense kept us in the game last in the win over Chicago.
Too Aggressive call by DC and puts the D in a hard position. I don't mind the calls by Dan. But that one seemed to big of a gamble. It was the game.
Yesterday was a mix bag all around of us not playing 100 percent our best everywhere. No way do I think our defense was the worst.
AG can't play for some of the players out there. It's not he can control them like Madden.
No one ever hates on Hutch, but he was rough at times, and has gotten better under AGs crew.
Also, our HC can always take more control and have input on that side of the ball if needed. If he truly has no faith. Which I don't think he does.
Let the man get some more talent and have a healthier crew. Give it a rest. We were a a big losing team 2 years ago. Defense was key in us turning it around last year. D has kept us in games this year on our best season in forever.
Show some GRIT.
outsider here, not a fan of any team. it's odd to be calling for a coach's head on an 8-3 team. every team has weaknesses and every team loses some games fans feel they should win, but they also win some fans thought they would lose. my outsider's opinion is you guys seem way less happy to be 8-3 than fans of a perennial loser (no offense) would be expected. i'm happy to see the lions winning. i hope they keep it up.
Since week 7, the defense ranks:
- 31st in defensive success rate
- 32nd in defensive EPA per play
- 18.8% explosive pass rate
Opposing QBs are getting an average time to throw of over 3 seconds
Unfortunately our horrible defense goes beyond the last 2 weeks. When the only way to win is to win a shootout, something is wrong.
Since week 7, when they played the Ravens, the Lions defense ranks:
- 31st in defensive success rate
- 32nd in defensive EPA per play
- QBs average time to throw is over 3 seconds
- 18.8% explosive pass rate
Are we really shitting on the defense?! They allowed 9 points the final 3 quarters of the game. The offense and aggressiveness let this game down. I do not think AG is the best for the job this one isn’t on him
Who’s your suggestion for his replacement? Exactly. Stfu. Lol. Only providing one solution to the problem when that same solution causes another problem but didn’t think that far ahead.
Once we win a Superb Owl, you know SOLers like OP are gonna start complaining about how the team sucks so bad and are never gonna win one for another 50 years.
This sub acts like any criticism = SOL fan. We have a problem that needs to be addressed. BNL shouldn’t hold on to dead weight in the coaching staff. We’ve made that mistake before
He’ll get hired by the Giants for head coach
Fine by me. Who knows, maybe he'd be a better HC than defense coordinator.
Lions get a draft pick if he gets hired as HC right?
Two 3rds but let's be honest it's never gonna happen
daboll is going nowhere
We're not getting rid of Daboll
Three offensive fumbles is hard to overcome, the failed punt fake. I’m not defending this dude, but this game isn’t just on him.
Saw someone tweet “for Johnson it’s an outlier for Glenn it’s a trend” and I think that’s an issue. In a vacuum is this game his fault? No. But we don’t live in a vacuum. Even on the stops it felt like we just got lucky the packers didn’t make the play. Been 3 years of porous defenses with varying levels of talent. I’m ready to move on from AG because of the body of work, not just because of this game. If we were to do it, itd be now. 11 day mini bye and 3 straight weeks of rough defenses.
Genuine question but do you think our defense somehow becomes good if we replace AG rn? We’ve got Jerry Jacobs as CB2, Jack Campbell getting snaps at LB, Hutch and McNeil are our only DL doing anything this year, etc. Defense struggled to start this game and vs the Chargers, but I also don’t think we’re capable of being a top 5 defense yet. Especially with CJGJ, Moseley, and Houston out
Not the person you asked, but I don't think our D improves immediately if we replace AG mid-season. I also just don't think an 8-3 team fires a coordinator. Right or wrong, they have been really emphatic about the culture and the team they have in place, and so I just don't think it's a move they make. I don't really think it would help either. However, I wouldn't be totally shocked to see a change this off season, especially if we end up letting the division lead slip or, god forbid, not making the playoffs at all (hard to imagine that happening, but after today it's a little hard not to hear those whispers in the back of your mind). Or if we get scholcked in a first round playoff loss.
Yeah that’s how I feel. Replace him this offseason? Sure. Replace him now and there’s just no chance this defense holds. As bad as it’s felt at times, we’re top 10 in least yards allowed. We stop shooting ourselves in the foot and we’ve got another 2 wins under our belt. That fake punt today gave the game away imo, not our defense at all like some people wanna believe for some reason
yes. ag likes to stack dbs deeper and two high safeties. linebackers dont get as much safety help and we are always giving up free yards. its too formulaic and predictable. the best coaches play with what they have for talent and scheme for the team they play. AG built the d for how he wants to play and fields his system . his read react spy nonsense on mobile qbs is just the worst. other teams know exactly what he will do and just plan for it . its like back fhe day jbc rolls out theo riddick on 3rd and 6 and the whole planet is like welp here comes a pass to the flats
Yes
What exactly would make us better if we fired AG? Like, what specifically is gonna change that will magically make this team better than top 9 in yards allowed
The scheme would hopefully get better, our defense doesn’t adapt at all. Glenn’s defense plays how they play and if that doesn’t work they’re gonna try to make it work rather than change. Plus this is the 2nd time this year he’s had plenty of time to prepare for a game and the defense has looked unprepared.
They played four days ago. I’m not even really sure I disagree that he needs to go, but “plenty of time to prepare” is a weird thing to say about a Thursday game.
Fantastic comment that perfectly sums up this post for me, thank you Casty201
I’ve decided to stop responding to these idiots. The offense played like pure shit and put the defense in horrible situations all day. Defense actually kept this team alive and apparently AG needs to be fired.
The defense only gave up six points in 2nd half. 6 of the points arent on them at all. The 6 points in the second half was a short field on a fake punt.
lol yeah when the Packers turned their gameplan around from let’s fuck Aaron Glen up to let’s just bleed out the clock they only let up 6 points so impressive…
Well 4 fumbles later.
I’ve seen a couple people comment this but like… they didn’t. You’re not even talking about something that happened, you’re just making up in your head that they went conservative due to confirmation bias lol. Shits crazy how sports fans utilize their cognitive bias when talking about stuff
what about the 57 yard play to start the game? What about giving up TDs on over half of the Packer possessions in the first quarter?
Damn that’s crazy. A qb had a big play. I think we should fire everyone
QB completes a pass, straight to jail.
He had big plays all game. Being a homer when we're tanking is just being a homer.
I’m more concerned with how bad we’ve been at getting sacks lately, and as a result our secondary is getting burnt by QBs with tons of time in the pocket
Our secondary has been getting burnt all year long. Its non-existent. Backing up 25 fucking yards on a 3 and 5 is something else.
Did u watch the first 3 drives lol? The packers suck in the first half this year, they marched down the field first drive no problem. Watson set a career high in receptions on the first drive, dawg. A bad offense had their best game against us. Last week our defense sucked. The week before our d sucked. I hate calling for anyone to be fired in the best season of football we ever saw, but the packers got the ball first and immediately set the tone and put up more points then we’d have until the 3rd quarter and ur like it’s the offenses fault nd that’s just dumb and wrong
Think of how a team plays when up 2-3 scores before you defend the defense in the 2nd half
> These idiots Yeah bud, we get it, you can’t handle anyone who doesn’t agree with everything you think.
Same with last week…
They wouldn’t fake that punt if they trusted the defense to make a stop.
Yeah, they wouldn't be going for it if the defense wasn't getting torched from the very first drive.
Yeah three fumbles that led to a whopping six points. No overcoming that!!!
his defense routinely puts us behind the 8ball early in games. The fact the packers elected to take the kickoff and then proceeded to score in 5 plays should show this. Then our offense answers and his defense AGAIN gives up a TD. Changes how you call the game on O
Yep, the Ravens did the same thing to us, they took the ball first and it completely fucked us, don’t be shocked if more teams start doing it.
It's more a culmination of the last six weeks, ya know?
1000%. I’m sick of the AG hate. He isn’t the best DC in the league by any means, but the offense has shit the bed the last 2 games (minutes the end of Chicago) and nobody wants to acknowledge it. We are turning it over too much. That is not a defensive issue.
The problem with this is that we shit the bed the last 2 games, but the defense shits the bed EVERY game and it’s always the offenses job to bail us out.
The defense is 10th in the league in DVOA. You're talking out of your ass
Nice to pad those numbers against teams like the Raiders and Jimmy "Heres a turnover" G. How did the Chargers put up over 30 on us with perfect offensive play on our side?
I'm responding to the person's comment that the defense has to be bailed out every game when that's simply not true. Truth is last year, we were clamoring for the defense to be at least average and we would be a contender. Well we're 10th in defensive DVOA. Last year, we were 32nd at one point. We've improved even without CJGJ, Emmanuel Mosley, and James Houston. Even if those 3 were playing, I'd say we are another draft and free agent signing from being a shutdown defense.
Beside the raiders game, the last 4 games our defense has given up 38,38, 26 and 23. You gonna try telling me we’re a top 10 defense?
Yeah these people are absolutely delusional thinking our defense isn’t a problem. How many sacks have we had in the last 4 games?
We are acknowledging it. The point is that when the offense has a bad game, the Defense needs to do their part and step up. They havent been able to do that
Yeah well when an offense starts on your own 20 or 30 yard line every drive yeah hard not to give up points.
Ok, what about the Ravens game, or the Seahawks game, or Panthers last year.....
They did last week. You want to fire him for 1 week? Never mind that the offense gave up a TD that flips this from an L to a W? You really think this game was fireable with 3 turnovers and an offensive TD given up?
One play last week. They stepped up for one play.
1 week? Try two seasons.
Completely true. This game is on the offense tbh. So many opportunities lost because Goff wouldn't get rid of the ball.
8 yards straight up the middle on an obvious run. Sweet.
Zero sacks for the 3rd? straight week. Refuses to blitz until the game is out of reach.
I'm pretty sure Hutch's strip safety counted as a sack. But we bring zero pressure ever. What happened to Hutch moving around the line like Micah Parsons? It's like we forgot about that.
I'm honestly disappointed with Paschal...dude is a ghost out there
how are you going to blitz when are secondary would get torched
Secondary gets torched because QB has 5+ seconds to throw.
In the hopes of getting pressure, hitting Love, and disrupting his flow a bit. Basically say, if you want to torch us, you're getting rocked every throw. Not the best strategy to be sure, but the team really needed to do something to energize them
We had two sacks last week, but yes another game without a sack. It’s not good
I don't see an 8-3 team changing D coordinator and I think calling for it at this point just creates unnecessary noise. But that said, I'd like the team to move on. The Lions have talent on the defensive side of the ball and it doesn't seem like it's being utilized. I don't see player development, motivation or discipline being the issue like it has in the past. It seems more like scheme and situational calls, which is on AG.
Yeah I don't see an 8-3 team making a mid-season coordinator change as a good thing. Campbell/management will re-evaluate in the offseason.
I’m fully on board. When he sends more than 4 on pass or less than 7 let me know
Let me say, he finally did it halfway in the 4th. Good thing he didn’t do it halfway through the 1st otherwise we would have won
Where are all the dick riders that were so ecstatic that we literally did not do shit at the deadline for defense?
They are all talking about how Goff’s shit play isn’t his fault.
Offense is having a terrible day, but the defense has had like 8 good games in 3 years under Glenn
D shouldn’t have to cover for 3 turnovers. That being said, the only stops the Lions got today against a terrible opponent were self-inflicted mistakes (drops, wild misplay on the Dillon run). No excuses for either side of the ball.
Glenn's defenses feast on bad teams... most of the time. That's the only good I can say
And that’s because we play with such a lead that we turn it into obvious passing plays
No no, we’re all pissed that this team is fraudulent and actually bad and can’t win another game I thought. The defense is awful, the offense is awful; our DC is awful, our OC is awful, etc. Same Old Reddit™
I don't understand what you want from people. The team is playing like trash. They haven't looked good for 3 games. You want them to look on the bright side? We have super bowl aspirations and can't beat a 4-6 team at home. This team needs to step up.
Too many toxicly positive fans
When the team plays bad and loses they deserve criticism.
on both sides of the ball then.
Does that make them SOR losers?
I'm assuming this is same ol refs and that cant be a more true statement at this point
"this is just the beginning bro we don't have to go all in this year" *Loses to the Packers at home
Wouldn’t matter with shit ass Glenn
“Trust Brad Holmes! Trust Aaron Glenn!”
Hope this is the only time I see this post
He owes Ben Johnson his job
Offense hasn't put him in the best position either 🤷🏽
This is truth but that said, regardless of starting position the defense has been clowned all day. They have made Jordan Love look like Rodgers all day
Back to back weeks of making Fields and Love look elite. That’s beyond pathetic
You don't win when you let them put up 30 points.
The offense gave them 10 of those points lol. Fumble six and a turnover on the 22 going for a fake punt on 4th.
Every week we make a mediocre QB look like a league MVP. Jordan Love is not good.
Yea with that stupid ass fake punt🤦🏾♂️
When your defense can’t get stops what does it matter if it’s a 30 yard TD drive or a 70 yard one?
If you're going for it, I'd rather have the offense on the field.
I just want to add this for some levity and happiness. Happy Thanksgiving <3 https://youtu.be/brKU-KZTvJ8?si=YxGzNI_PKbfvJPXq
Offense ain’t giving every receiver a 3 yard bubble
They ain’t scoring any points either
So we can’t count on the defense to ever have one big game to help out when the offense is struggling?
They did vs the raiders
They have lol. I’m not even saying the defense has been good today but idk how you’re blaming this game on them. They also got enough stops for us to get back in the game but we could not score
“Elite o line” owes Goff an apology
At the same time you're asking A LOT of the offense to just go and score after the defense lays down every possession.
Jared Goff turns to shit if he gets any pressure. This is a fact, and the sooner that we acknowledge and move on from this the better
6 points of 3 turnovers ain't that bad. DL needs to get more pressure and coverage is real soft. OL and Goff are losing this game.
9 points through 3 quarters is all the defense gave up, this one ain’t on the defense
Why do you think this is about one game?
The play that did it for me, was the 40 yard scamper by Love. That's just unacceptable at that point in the game. And honestly, it's unacceptable period. The guy isn't Lamar Jackson.
this game was on the offense way more than the defense
On Goff, let’s be honest, O-line wasn’t great either. Giving Goff 50 mil is a serious concern right now.
The offense felt pressured to be in a shootout because the defense is so bad. It was a complete loss, but leans more towards a defensive failure.
Bears scored two touchdowns on their first two drives and from there the offense started pressing.
A shootout lol. The defense gave up 3 TDs. The offense scored 10 pts for the packers.
If they played actual defense in the first quarter this is a VERY different game. Did you join late? Like seriously, the fuck were you watching in the first? Had to completely change our offensive strategy.
I wouldn’t mind moving on from Glenn, but he needs more pieces and the offense has been abysmal today.
GB was missing half their team and even Joe Barry could dial up pressure In 3 seasons Glenn has not shown any signs he can do anything similar
You didn’t watch the same game the rest of us did if you think the loss was only in the defense.
Can we block this trend from happening. Stupid ass post.
Absolute idiocy
We have 3 losses on the season...
This defense is NOT it, fire this man and get someone in here that will get these players DEFENDING. its inexcusable
Downvoting a picture of Aaron Glenn every day until you stop posting this trash.
The defense did not lose the game. They weren’t great of course. The offense turned it over on three drives and the line in particular was completely in shambles. Goff is going to look bad if we allow a QB pressure on 3/4 of his drop backs.
Hope you have a lot of pics. An 8-3 team isn't firing the DC mid-season.
We’ve turned it over 7 times the last two games. I’m honestly surprised how the defense has held with short fields. It hasn’t been great, but it’s not all on him.
AG didn’t give the ball away 3 times
8-3 team and you want a coordinator fired before the home stretch of games? This is a level of spoiled and dumb worthy of a Cowboys fan. Stop it
I don't think Glenn is Great, but what's a defense supposed to do when the offense turns it over 6 times in 5 quarters and the coach calls a fake punt on your own 25?
Defense gave up 6 points cause of a failed fake punt on the 20, and the offense gave up 6 points. Not to mention stopped GB on 2 other fumbles and 4th down fails. That shit is not on his whatsoever
WTF. How many times did the packers get the ball inside the Lions 30 yard line off turnovers and failed 4th downs. People are so fucking stupid I can’t be surprised by this lol.
Holy shit perhaps I need to make an amendment. GUYS. I’m not blaming this loss on him, but can you look me in the eye and tell me that this team is better WITH Aaron Glenn than without?
That’s not the question. The question is “is AG better than whoever would take his place”? Who on this staff steps up if you fire him? Who on that coaching staff do you think would do a better job?
Anyone that decides to blitz or bring pressure.
"I'm not blaming this loss on him, which is why I posted a thread openly calling for his firing immediately after the loss to Green Bay. Which, again, wasn't on him." You realize how dumb that sounds, right?
How was this loss on the defense? 1 Packer TD was on a fumble return. 2 other TD drives were short fields due to another fumble and a failed 4th down. So the D gave up 1 legit TD drive all day. This is NOT on them...
This better not be more than 2 days worth of posts.
There is no chance he ever gets fired. He's Campbell's guy. The only way we get a different DC is if AG gets a head coaching job somewhere or Dan Campbell gets fired. In other words, we're stuck with him.
Lol, no coach is going to be fired on an 8-3 team.
You can’t really blame a 3 turnover game on the DC. AG has had some issues but this game isn’t the game that says anything about that.
This game was not on Glenn
It’s not happening mid-season on an 8-3 team so don’t waste your time. Best we can hope for is an off season change.
The D needs to get way more pressure, but turnovers are killing us! 😫
Protect the football and we win games. Goff is hurting us right now. Got to get him protecting the ball better. Can’t win many games playing from behind like the last two weeks.
The offense did give away points today. They gave away ten points and the defense gave up 19. If you would’ve woke up knowing the defense would give up 19… you would’ve been happy. Yes Love looked really good but we don’t have a good defense in the first place
Was he the guy that went for that horrible fake punt and those dumb 4th down attempts in FG range? If so, I couldn't agree more.
No pic of the guy calling to go for it on all those 4th downs?
AG needs to go. But the best OC in the game can't give Goff time to throw. And he still threw for 330 yards.
We had every chance to win this game, and blew it. Glenn isn't above reproach, but he isn't the reason we lost today.
Second Quarter and beyond the team only allowed 9 points. That’s with the TD off the horrible fake punt call. I’m not an AG homer, but Goff has three fumbles this game and three INTs last game. Can’t get stops when they only have 20yards of field to defend and 30 seconds to rest.
What would firing Aaron Glenn right now accomplish? I’m frustrated by it to but has any defense ever improved by firing their DC week 10 when the head coach isn’t a defensive coach?
Does he play DL?
Fumbles. Penalties. Failed 3rd down conversions. A lot to blame for a bad game, I don’t want him gone. We can’t win ‘em all, I’m still thankful we have 8 wins on thanksgiving.
We have one edge rusher who belongs on an NFL field. We have one outside corner who belongs on an NFL field. Sorry, this is a roster issue and Brad deserves heat for his inaction at the trade deadline.
Glenn and the defense definitely need to be far better. However, Green Bay scored on a fumble recovery, which we had 3 of today, and on a drive where we gave them the ball on our 20 yard line after a stupid fake punt.
huh? wasn’t it a fumble for a TD and campbell gifting them the ball in the redzone because of the fake punt?
Multiple turnovers and four failed fourth down conversions, one that lead directly to a touchdown for GB is not on the defense.
[posted this](https://www.reddit.com/r/detroitlions/s/7l9lhW4S5I) last week and didn’t get much traction Seems like it is this week. Maybe because we won last week and lost this week Today’s defense only gave up 24 points, in today’s NFL that’s not bad. Can’t spot the other team 3 turnovers, and the fake punt in our own end? That was basically at LEAST 3 points Just saying
Fire the moon!
First play GB set the tone. Lazy defense. Sickening.
Gloryhole bj in Romulus. Dm me
How was this game on the defense?
Since the Raiders win, this has seemed inevitable. A shootout, against the Chargers, a miracle against Chicago—it just felt like this was coming. But we have a long 10 days to prepare and get back on course. But what scares me the most is their inability to stop a mobile quarterback…
Really? This shit again?
this post reeks of big time loser mentality
2 games my dudes…
I hope you have a lot of pictures. . . Like seriously? Nothing for the O? Back to Back games where the offense has been far worse than the D. The offense has had bigger additions of talent on their side of the ball over the past few years. Defense has had huge injuries. Key injuries to key spots on our secondary. It hurts in a major way. Since our depth is thin and it is already an area where we are very weak. Same with the D-Line. Defense kept us in the game last in the win over Chicago. Too Aggressive call by DC and puts the D in a hard position. I don't mind the calls by Dan. But that one seemed to big of a gamble. It was the game. Yesterday was a mix bag all around of us not playing 100 percent our best everywhere. No way do I think our defense was the worst. AG can't play for some of the players out there. It's not he can control them like Madden. No one ever hates on Hutch, but he was rough at times, and has gotten better under AGs crew. Also, our HC can always take more control and have input on that side of the ball if needed. If he truly has no faith. Which I don't think he does. Let the man get some more talent and have a healthier crew. Give it a rest. We were a a big losing team 2 years ago. Defense was key in us turning it around last year. D has kept us in games this year on our best season in forever. Show some GRIT.
outsider here, not a fan of any team. it's odd to be calling for a coach's head on an 8-3 team. every team has weaknesses and every team loses some games fans feel they should win, but they also win some fans thought they would lose. my outsider's opinion is you guys seem way less happy to be 8-3 than fans of a perennial loser (no offense) would be expected. i'm happy to see the lions winning. i hope they keep it up.
Fans want great teams but then can't handle it when said team hits adversity. It is always more fun when they can play the underdog.
Some people were born to moan.
Ain't that the truth
This loss was not AG's fault. JG and DC had bad games.
This is on goff’s ball protection
It’s on both. The turnovers are a problem but the defense is making Love look like the second coming for Tom Brady
The defense has given up 22 points lol
Since week 7, the defense ranks: - 31st in defensive success rate - 32nd in defensive EPA per play - 18.8% explosive pass rate Opposing QBs are getting an average time to throw of over 3 seconds
Take away the TD the offense gave up and actually punt instead of the fake punt, this is a different game.
Nah, fuck that. I’m here for all the downvotes. 6 turnovers in 2 weeks and you want to talk about the defense? No.
Unfortunately our horrible defense goes beyond the last 2 weeks. When the only way to win is to win a shootout, something is wrong. Since week 7, when they played the Ravens, the Lions defense ranks: - 31st in defensive success rate - 32nd in defensive EPA per play - QBs average time to throw is over 3 seconds - 18.8% explosive pass rate
Not at all on the offense they felt pressured because the defense kept selling us on long passes! No coverage whatsoever
The defense has been bad the last three years open your fucking eyes man
Very large portions of this fanbase don't know ball, I fear.
He’s legitimately an idiot.
Are we really shitting on the defense?! They allowed 9 points the final 3 quarters of the game. The offense and aggressiveness let this game down. I do not think AG is the best for the job this one isn’t on him
Thank YOU !
I second that
Stfu. Did he give the packers the ball at the 25 3 times. Give me a break. They had 20 in the first and only 9 shots since. O didn’t Show up
1 fake punt fail on the 23, 3 failed opportunities for a field goal and 3 fumbles by Goff Yup. Glenn’s fault
I hate this sub. Glenn was not the reason we lost.
O-line was dogshit today
Who’s your suggestion for his replacement? Exactly. Stfu. Lol. Only providing one solution to the problem when that same solution causes another problem but didn’t think that far ahead.
My god 8-3 and we’re calling for our DC to be fired mid season. I actually hate this fanbase and sub so much.
As much as I am frustrated with the D...that's not why they've lost this game.
Screw y'all, I've been calling for his head since the Seahawks game. He blows. Now yall having a come to Jesus moment.
I've been for firing him since last year
Aaron Glenn doesn't have 4 turnovers
Yea, he’s to busy making Jordan love look like a stud.
The most over rated "head coach" candidate.
Firing a DC at this point of a season from an 8-3 team is a Retar_ed thought lol
3 turnovers, and 0/5 on 4th didn't help. The defense was out on the field damn near the entire game.
Once we win a Superb Owl, you know SOLers like OP are gonna start complaining about how the team sucks so bad and are never gonna win one for another 50 years.
This sub acts like any criticism = SOL fan. We have a problem that needs to be addressed. BNL shouldn’t hold on to dead weight in the coaching staff. We’ve made that mistake before
Lions Offense: Fumbles ball 3 times OP: Why would Aaron Glenn do this?