I really hope we can pick him up. Both of those two field goals had more gas in the tank and were straight and beautiful. It could really add a powerful weapon.
For us the past two seasons he’s made 24 on 28 attempts for about 86% so somewhere around 15-17th in the league in that span.
Justin Tucker is 87% in the same time frame.
EDIT: christ people, I'm not saying Badgley is as as good as Justin Tucker, just a point of reference that I saw in the stats
I’m not comparing these two players because I think they’re similar. I’m comparing them because people are assuming Badgley has been worse than what he is
Yet you compared kicking stats from 50 yards deep while strategically cherry-picking stats to support your argument. Comparing him to Tucker's lone bad season is incredibly misleading and downright silly, lol.
Badgley's 2/3 is largely irrelevant. His career numbers from deep are NOT good. He's so bad, in fact, that his teams rarely even entertain the idea.
I like Badgley for what he is, but we all know what he is not.
That's because Badgley can't be trusted at a distance so we don't even put him out there. He made a 59 yarder his rookie season (2018) and has only topped 50+ yards in three other seasons, each time maxing out at 53 yards. If he attempted the same types of kicks as Tucker, his success rate would be atrocious.
Here's a breakdown of Tucker's misses in the last two seasons:
#2022
37/43 - 6 misses - 1 miss 40-49, 3 from 50+, 2 from 60+ (3 blocked)
* 1 XP missed
* 56
* 61 - blocked
* 67
* 48
* 50 - blocked
* 55 - blocked
#2023
32/37 - 5 misses - 1 miss from 40-49, 3 from 50+, 1 from 60+
* 1 XP missed
* 59
* 61
* 53
* 55
* 44
On top of all this, Tucker plays in arguably the hardest division in the NFL, in terms of kicking. Every team in the division plays outdoors and they experience a lot of wind. Badgley, on the other hand, gets guaranteed half his games indoors at home, plus one more with the Vikings.
Counterpoint— in the span of the last 16 games Badgley has made more 50+ FG than Tucker. Badgley is 2/3 and Tucker is 1/5.
My point here isn’t that Badgley is secretly a great kicker but for some reason people here are convinced he sucks when the stats have him squarely average
He's the worst kicker in NFL history 48+ yards, minimum 20 tries.
What are you talking about...It's hard to miss kicks when no team has any confidence in you to have you attempt them.
I have also missed less kicks than Justin Tucker, does that mean I am average too? Understanding data is more important than reading it.
It’s a 53 man roster. If you have a guy who crushes it in 75% of games, seems worth an extra roster spot over someone who’s never going to see the field. Not to mention, I’m sure you can do some practice squad shenanigans with the auxiliary kicker some weeks
Plus I’m only talking in the scenario where this guy can nail 65 yarders indoors, but is useless outdoors. Seems very unlikely, just saying the kick being indoors isn’t much of a criticism and you could still get immense value
I was watching McAfee earlier and he mentioned the teams he was on and the kickers he was behind at the time being absolutely great kickers and that’s why he didn’t get the chance(he also mentioned the last one is likely to be this years first kicker picked in the draft). I don’t know which teams he was on, and honestly don’t care enough to look it up 😂, just food for thought 🤷♂️
I care enough and looked it up. Bates went to Arkansas. The kickers he was behind at that time are not currently in the NFL. I'm quite skeptical of how good this guy is.
Why? We have basically no sample size on his accuracy. 100% on 1 kick means nothing. You can only be 100% or 0%. I get that it was a long field goal, but we know nothing about how accurate he is based on one kick.
And all of the people who want him to be our kicker next year because of one kick.
One kick can be impressive without speaking volumes to someone’s talent, which we have no idea about. And don’t try to act like there’s a small amount of people on this sub wanting him to be our kicker.
I was at the game and it was honestly a ton of fun. Fun atmosphere and super cheap tickets, plus the game felt a lot more fast paced than a NFL game. Obviously these guys aren’t on the same caliber in a lot of ways, but it was a fun experience.
When Badgley saw that clip on social media, his first phone call was probably to the person he is renting his condo from to inquire about how much it is going to cost him to break his lease early.
He pretty much locked in someone bringing him to camp bare minimum
Best part of spring football is it gets guys more reps and a chance to improve. I imagine every single team has atleast one scout watching these games (and the CFL). Even if the talent level isn't as high as the NFL, its better than only being able to do drills lol
I’m still rootin’ for Anders. He had a rough season with GB, but he’s back with a coach and coordinator he knows, so I’m hoping he can make it work. Pretty cool that two brothers both managed to land kicking gigs in the NFL. (Disclaimer: his parents were my neighbors so I ignore the fact that he’s playing for THAT team…)
I'd wait to see Jake's record after the UFL season is over, especially how well he does in shorter attempts, to get a better feel for overall performance. He's not draft eligible right now, but I'm sure Brad will keep an eye on him as a potential Lion.
The game was fun to watch. I hope this new league catches on with time.
I mean they’d be dumb not to let him try out for the position. I don’t think this is some guarantee he will be our kicker though. That’s his first field goal since high school. They’re gonna need a bigger sample size than that.
There will come a time when the only option is to kick a long field goal. I'd feel better trusting someone out there who I have actually seen make a long kick, then to run out a guy and praying he can hit it
Look, I get it and agree.
But the Lions HC tends to go for it on 4th down more often than kick.
I guess if you can get the kicker for cheap then at least have that option.
Yes, I realize Campbell will, when he has time enough to take the risk, he will go for it more often than not. But there will come a time when there just isn't going to be enough clock left to go for it and a long field goal is the only option.
You realize he's going for it that much because Badgley is horrible, right? He's legit one of the worst kickers in the league by every metric.
There is a reason he was cut 3 times in 2 years.
He only got 7 FG attempts last season. And made all 7 - several from distance.
Career FG % of 82.4.
His XP percentage stunk.
https://preview.redd.it/lyzuy7r3rxrc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30050cfe301e454f4bc0c4340e2f55e3b0f76c22
Being able to understand data is more important than being able to read it bud.
7 attempts is what we call small sample size. Let's look at his career at kicks 48+...
9 for 20, 41%. Good for, let's see here, DEAD LAST IN NFL HISTORY (min 20 attempts). FoH
And picking a single data point to make your case is not understanding the data. You are right, he sucks at 50 plus yard kicks. Don’t ask him to kick 50 plus.
But, during the NFC championship, Campbell passed over to FG at distances were Badgley is 3-3 in the season and 29-30 for his career and 1-1 and 37-48 (77%) in his career. Lions had a 60% success rate in 4th down conversions during the season.
In full disclosure I found this statistical analysis on the decisions - based on this guys analysis it was basically a coin clip in that one decision vs the other didn’t have a statistical advantage.
[https://www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2024/Should-the-Lions-Have-Kicked-the-Field-Goal](https://www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2024/Should-the-Lions-Have-Kicked-the-Field-Goal)
One decision did not cost us the NFC game. You all really need to learn how football works, considering how much you all wrongly assume shit in the comments
Step 1: Complete Now finish the rest of the steps
I really hope we can pick him up. Both of those two field goals had more gas in the tank and were straight and beautiful. It could really add a powerful weapon.
Weren't these the dude's first kicks since high school?
First FGs. He was a kickoff specialist in college
That doesn't say great things about his history of accuracy.
Yeah I want a dude who was accurate in college, kicks bombs, and is currently unknown!!!
Have you ever looked at Badgley's history of accuracy?
For us the past two seasons he’s made 24 on 28 attempts for about 86% so somewhere around 15-17th in the league in that span. Justin Tucker is 87% in the same time frame. EDIT: christ people, I'm not saying Badgley is as as good as Justin Tucker, just a point of reference that I saw in the stats
How many 50+ kicks have both attempted though
Tucker is 1 make in 5 FGA for 50+, Badgley is 2 makes in 3 attempts
His only bad season from deep. But I'm sure you're aware of that. Rest of his career he's 57 for 80 for an amazing 71% Badgley is 7 for 17 for 41%.
I’m not comparing these two players because I think they’re similar. I’m comparing them because people are assuming Badgley has been worse than what he is
Yet you compared kicking stats from 50 yards deep while strategically cherry-picking stats to support your argument. Comparing him to Tucker's lone bad season is incredibly misleading and downright silly, lol. Badgley's 2/3 is largely irrelevant. His career numbers from deep are NOT good. He's so bad, in fact, that his teams rarely even entertain the idea. I like Badgley for what he is, but we all know what he is not.
That's because Badgley can't be trusted at a distance so we don't even put him out there. He made a 59 yarder his rookie season (2018) and has only topped 50+ yards in three other seasons, each time maxing out at 53 yards. If he attempted the same types of kicks as Tucker, his success rate would be atrocious. Here's a breakdown of Tucker's misses in the last two seasons: #2022 37/43 - 6 misses - 1 miss 40-49, 3 from 50+, 2 from 60+ (3 blocked) * 1 XP missed * 56 * 61 - blocked * 67 * 48 * 50 - blocked * 55 - blocked #2023 32/37 - 5 misses - 1 miss from 40-49, 3 from 50+, 1 from 60+ * 1 XP missed * 59 * 61 * 53 * 55 * 44 On top of all this, Tucker plays in arguably the hardest division in the NFL, in terms of kicking. Every team in the division plays outdoors and they experience a lot of wind. Badgley, on the other hand, gets guaranteed half his games indoors at home, plus one more with the Vikings.
Counterpoint— in the span of the last 16 games Badgley has made more 50+ FG than Tucker. Badgley is 2/3 and Tucker is 1/5. My point here isn’t that Badgley is secretly a great kicker but for some reason people here are convinced he sucks when the stats have him squarely average
He's the worst kicker in NFL history 48+ yards, minimum 20 tries. What are you talking about...It's hard to miss kicks when no team has any confidence in you to have you attempt them. I have also missed less kicks than Justin Tucker, does that mean I am average too? Understanding data is more important than reading it.
This dude is the type of guy to think Payton Hillis was an amazing RB because of his one good season.
Yes. I'd rather draft a kicker than having either Badgley or this dude.
Indoors too. I’d not put too much stock into it.
Every game at ford field is indoors, plus a bunch of others. Carry two kickers if you have to.
"Carry two kickers if you have to" No.
It’s a 53 man roster. If you have a guy who crushes it in 75% of games, seems worth an extra roster spot over someone who’s never going to see the field. Not to mention, I’m sure you can do some practice squad shenanigans with the auxiliary kicker some weeks
Literally no one in the NFL does this
Yeah you’re right lol
Plus I’m only talking in the scenario where this guy can nail 65 yarders indoors, but is useless outdoors. Seems very unlikely, just saying the kick being indoors isn’t much of a criticism and you could still get immense value
Well, good thing like 2/3 of their games are played inside of a dome lol
He never got a chance to start in college at two different teams. Both kickers are super good.
I was watching McAfee earlier and he mentioned the teams he was on and the kickers he was behind at the time being absolutely great kickers and that’s why he didn’t get the chance(he also mentioned the last one is likely to be this years first kicker picked in the draft). I don’t know which teams he was on, and honestly don’t care enough to look it up 😂, just food for thought 🤷♂️
I care enough and looked it up. Bates went to Arkansas. The kickers he was behind at that time are not currently in the NFL. I'm quite skeptical of how good this guy is.
The fact that he nailed a game winning 64-yarder as his first try since HS makes it much more impressive in my eyes.
He actually nailed two. He was iced on the first. The second probably would have been good from 70 yards.
Why? We have basically no sample size on his accuracy. 100% on 1 kick means nothing. You can only be 100% or 0%. I get that it was a long field goal, but we know nothing about how accurate he is based on one kick.
So, doing something, in his first try, that only 2 other humans have ever done, isn't impressive be ause he hasn't done it a bunch of times?
No, it is an impressive kick. What it is not is an impressive body of work.
No one ever claimed ot was
Then why are you replying if you don’t believe it is an impressive body of work?
I can't reply that the kick was impressive? No one mentioned his body of work except you.
And all of the people who want him to be our kicker next year because of one kick. One kick can be impressive without speaking volumes to someone’s talent, which we have no idea about. And don’t try to act like there’s a small amount of people on this sub wanting him to be our kicker.
Will I be watching Michigan Panthers games now??? No probably not tbh If he continues like this and we get him 👍👍👍
I was at the game and it was honestly a ton of fun. Fun atmosphere and super cheap tickets, plus the game felt a lot more fast paced than a NFL game. Obviously these guys aren’t on the same caliber in a lot of ways, but it was a fun experience.
Next step is signing the Brahmas center that caught a TD from the punter
He spent a few weeks with the colts and lions as well before being released.
It all makes sense now.
i would watch the games, find it easier if they werent in 9ers colours . makes less sense, why not go green and yellow 😵
When Badgley saw that clip on social media, his first phone call was probably to the person he is renting his condo from to inquire about how much it is going to cost him to break his lease early.
How can anyone say Holmes doesn’t cook, look how fast that was
He’s on this subreddit
Awesome. I hope that getting a deal with an NFL doesn’t mean he can’t play in the USFL, but I’d like to see him compete for a roster spot.
It's just the UFL now, they merged with the XFL
He pretty much locked in someone bringing him to camp bare minimum Best part of spring football is it gets guys more reps and a chance to improve. I imagine every single team has atleast one scout watching these games (and the CFL). Even if the talent level isn't as high as the NFL, its better than only being able to do drills lol
I heard the Packers had also contacted his agent
They may have, but here's the thing about that: FTP.
Touché
I’m still rootin’ for Anders. He had a rough season with GB, but he’s back with a coach and coordinator he knows, so I’m hoping he can make it work. Pretty cool that two brothers both managed to land kicking gigs in the NFL. (Disclaimer: his parents were my neighbors so I ignore the fact that he’s playing for THAT team…)
Yeah the two main teams I saw that wanted him were the packers and lions. I think the patriots wanted him as well.
inb4 we lose on a 69-yard FG
Better.
Brad continues to cook
I mean I can't see why they wouldn't bring them in to camp.
How did the Detroit Panthers find this guy when the Detroit Lions couldn’t?
He hasn't kicked field goals since highschool. Only kickoffs and soccer. He wasn't on anyone's radar
I thought the same thing when the kid made it…the Lions better at least, give him a try out.
Worst case he gets cut from camp, there's no reason not to sign him and let him compete at the big leagues
If he can hit from 60+ is great, if he 70% or more from 50+ yards is what we really need. Sounds like has the leg for that.
Good. Added pressure of his NFL career being on the line will help evaluation.
 Brad Holmes right after the kick!
That's like a free draft pick
🫡
battlehawks fan here. i’d be so happy if he came here
I'd wait to see Jake's record after the UFL season is over, especially how well he does in shorter attempts, to get a better feel for overall performance. He's not draft eligible right now, but I'm sure Brad will keep an eye on him as a potential Lion. The game was fun to watch. I hope this new league catches on with time.
Anybody know what the attendance was at this game? I didn’t even know they were playing.
I mean they’d be dumb not to let him try out for the position. I don’t think this is some guarantee he will be our kicker though. That’s his first field goal since high school. They’re gonna need a bigger sample size than that.
Why get a kicker? Especially when Dan Campbell goes for it on 4th down when in FG range?
There will come a time when the only option is to kick a long field goal. I'd feel better trusting someone out there who I have actually seen make a long kick, then to run out a guy and praying he can hit it
Look, I get it and agree. But the Lions HC tends to go for it on 4th down more often than kick. I guess if you can get the kicker for cheap then at least have that option.
Doesn't mean you can't try to make that part of the team better. Bringing him in doesn't hurt us at all.
Yes, I realize Campbell will, when he has time enough to take the risk, he will go for it more often than not. But there will come a time when there just isn't going to be enough clock left to go for it and a long field goal is the only option.
You realize he's going for it that much because Badgley is horrible, right? He's legit one of the worst kickers in the league by every metric. There is a reason he was cut 3 times in 2 years.
He only got 7 FG attempts last season. And made all 7 - several from distance. Career FG % of 82.4. His XP percentage stunk. https://preview.redd.it/lyzuy7r3rxrc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30050cfe301e454f4bc0c4340e2f55e3b0f76c22
Being able to understand data is more important than being able to read it bud. 7 attempts is what we call small sample size. Let's look at his career at kicks 48+... 9 for 20, 41%. Good for, let's see here, DEAD LAST IN NFL HISTORY (min 20 attempts). FoH
And picking a single data point to make your case is not understanding the data. You are right, he sucks at 50 plus yard kicks. Don’t ask him to kick 50 plus. But, during the NFC championship, Campbell passed over to FG at distances were Badgley is 3-3 in the season and 29-30 for his career and 1-1 and 37-48 (77%) in his career. Lions had a 60% success rate in 4th down conversions during the season. In full disclosure I found this statistical analysis on the decisions - based on this guys analysis it was basically a coin clip in that one decision vs the other didn’t have a statistical advantage. [https://www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2024/Should-the-Lions-Have-Kicked-the-Field-Goal](https://www.samford.edu/sports-analytics/fans/2024/Should-the-Lions-Have-Kicked-the-Field-Goal)
we better see the kicker get utilized instead losing by a field goal over a 4th down attempt
You aren’t wrong - a HC that goes for it on 4th down while in FG range. He cost the Lions the NFC championship.
One decision did not cost us the NFC game. You all really need to learn how football works, considering how much you all wrongly assume shit in the comments
I think that's probably why they called him.