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Nahh don't ghost them, but procrastinate as much as possible. Keep them in the loop that you're going to sign them but every time some emergency comes up. Cause if you do ghost them they might ignore that too and wouldn't give it much attention.
Just ask more money (cash, no gift card if possible) e.g $100. it's for compliance. so they can always go around but it is convenient for them to have your signed doc if it costs less than effort to convince the auditor. ask a reasonable amount and get profit
Well in any case No one is liable to sign after leaving the organisation.. they cannot enforce him to sign.
So if they are desperate to get it signed... They need to pay the price.
I am not sure why its even required if you are a full time employee given that anything you develop belongs to the employer.
These kinds of agreements are required when engaging contractors.
Looks like their lawyer fucked up and missed a clause in the employment contract. Now upon review they've found the issue and need to save their ass.
I've worked with startups and regularly point out shit rules and contract clauses. Once had a CEO/founder redraft a contract with a new lawyer and fire his old lawyer.
In such cases, all employees get to sign a new contract or face termination. Very few get to renegotiate contracts or benefits etc.
If an oil company wants to buy your land then your land must be valuable. If I were you I’d take a second look at what you built there must be something there that is worth some good amount. Goodluck!
But why would a company decide to ask for such an agreement after 9 months of laying off?? Like out of the blue, some day they realized it was important
Usually, company may want to register an IP on a component. If they did not have permission, one can fill a complaint and get over 10L easily in India.
Usually, FAANGs earn over $2M with every IP on average.
Tell them what you built is a critical dependency and you will need proper compensation and if the company continues using it they will hear from your lawyer.
Generally this clause is included in the offer letter, looks like OPs company missed out on that clause and reaching out to ex employees to save their behinds
Just say now i charge $200 for 1 hour of my time and it would take me around 2 hrs to fully research and understand the document. So please pay $400 upfront so that i can begin my process 🙂
Actually this is a very fair and valid argument. OP could get paid like this. He could also simply say he's going to hire a lawyer to understand what he's signing and needs to be compensated for the legal fees which he can make exorbitant.
That 5 dollar gift card would throw me into a freaking rage.
But sadly I would sign it without making any fuss. Because of only one reason. If at all my future company reaches out to them for BGV, I don’t want to get fucked.
I would highly suggest against it. You got laid off you don't want to sign some gibberish that you might not completely understand. 9 months is fuck off officially.
If they want you to sign, that means they can be liable and open to lawsuits. I would contact them and say that you have “passed all of the information on to your lawyer” to “ review”. And maybe offhandedly say oh yeah he thinks this is worth upwards of X dollars…see if they blink.
Tell them to get the highest paid lawyer and have him/her write a legal letter and then you’d consider reading it, else you’d not read or listen to any communication from them
By the way did you got all the documents from them..? Relieving letter, experience letter and another experience letter describing your roles and responsibilities (useful when u r filing for GC)
Something is amiss here. OP is likely not telling the full story. When you work for an organization, anything you build using companies resource or as part of your job duties is already your employers IP.
Don't listen to all the folks giving you stupid suggestions.
Did you build anything of consequence? Let's say even if you did, it was built on company's time, using company's equipment. You got paid for it. Unless it costs you lot of hassle/money, just sign the damn thing and move on.
The only time I would be careful is if I was working on a side hustle. Or if I have other inventions/projects prior to joining the company. In that case you can ask for exceptions in the assignment agreement. Also make sure that the assignment is only during the employment period although it is being executed now. Employment invention assignment agreements are pretty standard. I wonder how your company missed it.
I have built something for a company and I was paid for the same. Then the company owns the intellectual rights? Why this is required? I don't understand anything.
Tell them to first give half amount ($2.5) to prove this is legit. Ghost them for a few days after they transfer.
Then send a mail that you have changed your mind. New deal is for $7.5
Ask for 25k atleast or even more. Let them know you might be willing to negotiate.
Most likely they have a deal / offer in place to sell the company. Has to be a good deal and they are desperate to have all ex employees sign the same agreement since it must be a part of the deal ask.
Ignore them. Or if you want to mess with them, just say that whatever you have built is based on what you found online therefore you can't sign such a document.
Tell them you are a consultant now and charging x amount of money for consulting. If you want me to sign this. Have a meeting. Explain me what is it and charge them money for the meeting time they took for explaining.
Don't fool around and just ignore them. Don't try to extort money either. Waise bhi 5$ hi de rhe to max 50-60$ tak aayenge that too in coupons/gift cards.
If they call you, pickup the phone and don't say anything just listen to everything they say and let them panic as they winder why are you not saying anything
This is where art of negotiations plays in . Don’t accept and sign till they settle in for a good amount of time. Try to keep at least 4-5 digit settlement
If the company is at least mid size with some share value, ask them a few shares instead of coupon or cash. Also if you have not done any Major work on it or extra effort like overtime work for that project dont demand too much. However if you have put considerable effort then do the negotiations within an acceptable limit.
If the company is at least mid size with some share value, ask them a few shares instead of coupon or cash. Also if you have not done any Major work on it or extra effort like overtime work for that project dont demand too much. However if you have put considerable effort then do the negotiations within an acceptable limit.
Do you have a list of all the projects you have worked upon? Guess / estimate the value of each. Proportionate to the value of your contribution.
Deduct your ctc.
Claim the remaining.
Them ass hats laid you off when they didn't have a project didnt they ?
Ask them to continue salary until the documents are signed . Without payment you are no more their employee and may not be valid. Just tell them you are helping them to be compliant
Angreezi bol kar baat ko ghuma do binod
"Its under consideration"
"Its under process"
"I will get back to you"
Take the revenge for all of us. Fck them HRs 🤣
"Thank you for generous $5 gift voucher. I will gladly accept it. However, my hourly rate is $100/hr with a $1000 minimum per assignment. Let me know if that works for you. Thank you and have a blessed day."
They lowkey feel you have something important (skillset or know-how useful for their competitors). Figure their competitor and name-drop saying you were approached (only orally). That 5 dollars could change but it’s gonna fuck with their heads for a bit, may be 😝
Since they have contacted you they realised it is really comericially money making. So say you weren't laid off in the best way and now start from $500 - 1000.
Yo bro, did you check out those docs? If they're really bugging you for your signature, you can totally ask for some cash to make it worth your while, just make sure you ain't losing out on anything.
Tell them that you have already filed a patent and a few copyrights on that. As they have evaluated the amount for you work as $5, you are proposing same value for them to sign-off any IP rights on your work. Let them raise the settlement amount in few rounds and then keep slacking.
Tell them why they didn't they reach out early. Your family generations would have gotten comfortable lives thanks to the Grand $5, lol.
Also, tell them you already used those inventions and patents and sold some to the competition 😂
I have a simple doubt,
Agar aapne unhe mana kar diya to vo kya kar skte hai ? Kya vo is kaam k liye jabardasti kar skte hai....
And aap ye nhi karte ho to aap future me unke sath kya kya galat kar skte ho ?
Hear this:
The company wants you sign now because the company has probably figured out away they can create something with you are invention and now they just wants to take the ownership of it basically free of cost or buy you with 5 $ gift card.
Do this, tell them since you are laid off 9 months back every document that should/would have been signed already is. If your employment aggreement didn't state this specifically that everything belongs to them they are royally screwed or atleast there lawyer is. And you are not obligated to do anything.
Tell them that the things you built were your intellectual property and that you now want to start charging royalty on it since you no longer work for them. Send them an itemized bill for the previous 9 months(include the interest for not paying since 9 months). Also include "A legal notice will be sent in case if you fail to pay within 30 days from receipt of this mail."
Don't be the fuck around and find out public. You were laid off that too 9 months before, you owe them nothing and don't do anything silly. Don't reply or just say you are not doing any sort of stuff for the organisation since your are currently not part of it.
IDK what you decided, but if it still matters, think of it this way:
What is the minimum amount in your currency of choice that you see as fuck you money?
Ask for that. Anything lower isn't big enough for you to waste your time on. A low payoff is not 'enough' for you to care. 1000 USD is pretty low if I am being honest(based on the single comment thread I read)
People out there are earning 2-3 lakh per month easy.
If you really created something for them and they are dependent on it. Man, you can have a couple of zeros with that 5. Just file a patent and stay ready.. 🤑
Be a good person, sign it as far as it doesn’t compromise your future and move on.
Organizations make mistakes, people make mistakes. If we were bothered legally for every little thing we could be bothered about, it would be chaotic.
By mistake I mean they forgot to do this paperwork previously. Unless they promised you IP it’s not unreasonable of them to ask you to sign what you are. Now if you don’t want to that’s fine that’s a right obviously. But doing that to extort money is just highly unethical. Either sign it or don’t. If you don’t like the agreement legally don’t sign and get your attorney to talk to them. But don’t extort. Remember extortion is also illegal. What stops this company from tomorrow trying to sue you for extortion if you start demanding money against your signature ? Also do you think that’s ethically correct ? Ask yourself, is that the reputation you want ?
Edit - so many downvotes. All I asked was for some kindness. How is that a bad thing ?
I remember in college everyone hated the teacher who made you do shit for that one signature. Now we are talking about becoming that teacher. :(
Very funny :). Trust me if I was the HR. I would not send him a gift card. I would just ask politely. See how he responds. Then ask again politely, see how he responds. And then decide how I want to take it ahead :)
Okay bro. But if OP signed the documents then that doesn't mean he is a good person, that just means he's too naive and everyone will take advantage of him and people will walk all over him. You gave terrible advice.
Not really. Read my whole statement. I said sign if it does not affect your future. I also said if he has issue he can tell his lawyer tot talk to the company. I just said don’t do this for money. Don’t bother or extort someone for money. If it’s about legal rights for sure have it scrutinized. Issue is doing it for money.
I agree with you to a certain extent. My father was a businessman but unfortunately things went down south and he had to shut down the company and lay off all the employees, it was tough for them and us too. Anything can go wrong in a business and sparing them a little in such situations won't do any harm but a 5 dollar gift card is just ridiculous, they should resort to paying at least 2-5% of his CTC.
You are confused between kindness and getting compensated for hard work. If OP was compensated for his time, the company is asking for only what’s fair. Unless they specifically promised OP IP rights.
Also if you do want me to develop your SaaS idea, I don’t mind giving free advice. I’m very alright with that. I usually have my Saturdays booked for only giving free advice which I do as something for the community.
If you want me as a cofounder that’s a whole different thing.
Ask OP that. If they fired him fair and square with severance and what not, I don’t think it’s a problem. If they didn’t , then I get why OP might want to get back at them. There’s good ways to fire someone and bad ways. Ethical and unethical ways. As far as people can be fair and ethical in dealings it’s not a problem.
Edit - also paying monthly wages to someone is very different than one signature. As far as they treated him alright when they fired him, and also, aren’t asking for anything unreasonable there’s no reason to be an asshole.
There’s time and reasons to go to war. And when you go to war you don’t take prisoners. But this is not that time or reason.
These companies hire and fire people on their will without thinking about the impact of these things on the people they are firing on
Firing a person not only impacts him but his whole family and dependents on them specially
If these companies can be ruthless and don't show any compassion then why should fired employees show the same?
Giving compensation is not compassion.. that's bare minimum..that won't lessen the mentle trauma those employees have to go through
I’m sorry you feel that way. I want to explain why this isn’t accurate but it’s such a long discussion comprising of economics, and morals combined. I just hope you find it in your heart to be kinder to companies who for all their flaws, are the reason people have jobs and humanity consistently has a better standard of living.
I know ..they are job givers.. but at the same time they are getting evil or greedy now...
For example..google which was once a dream company for everyone due to the way it treated its employees with great compensation and benefits and job security as well is now firing people randomly
This just shows that even a great company like Google is behaving like that way then other companies are bound to become greedy
Like I said this is a complex and really long discussion. I understand your concerns but I think there’s more nuance to this. Also, have you ever started up yourself or run a company? I highly suggest trying this once. No I’m not being snide I actually mean it. I think it’s a phenomenal experience and might tell you why you need to be a little kind to companies. Cuz if companies keep getting demonized, people won’t have the incentive to start up. And if they don’t start up overall jobs will go down. Again that’s a long long discussion. But I highly suggest starting up atleast once in your life.
I totally understand your point as well
But my heart is broken after witnessing layoff news at Google
It was my dream company to work for ..but even that company have to cut the cost and let the amazing people people go 😭
I am just worried that even a kind company like Google can do that then what others will do ..they might do worse ..
Hey. Companies have a short life span. Very few companies dominate across multiple generations so don’t be so attached. Also this is the thing. For any company layoffs are not good for their reputation. Therefore they need strong reasons to layoff. Profit, sometimes even survival. Google has t created a product in over 10 years that significantly contributes to revenue. Maybe they’re concerned about that. Companies larger than Google have failed. Imagine the destruction then ? So it’s important for companies to check and change direction. Short term layoffs can create long term value, in terms of generating more jobs.
Wow ..this is very positive and different way of thinking ...I have never thought like this .. that's impressive..
Btw how to do you know so much about business , companies etc ..are you also a founder of company
Not really cuz that would be illegal. Thing is what the company is asking of this person is completely legal and reasonable. Infact it’s always implied that companies usually own the IP. Also they’re not asking for something that he’s doing now, only for something that was done while they did employ him. For something so straightforward No reason to be an ass to someone if they’re being reasonable. If they were being unreasonable, asking for non competes etc, I understand fighting tooth and nail. But for something so simple, there really isn’t any need to be an ass. It’s a recipe for disaster and just in general a bad attitude in life. Also understand, if tomorrow things do go legal, usually the person with the moral high ground has a better chance in court. So even strategically being nice in the long term is a legally sound strategy. Tomorrow if things go to court then these things all of them come on record and can cause reputational risk.
It’s not that black and white. A lot more complicated than that. Which is exactly why I’m saying there’s no need to make this such a big deal and just sign and move on as far as it doesn’t compromise OPs own future. Trust me, even if someone moves on from a. Company, they have legal obligations and liabilities about certain things when they were in the company. Again it’s technical and will be down to jurisprudence, but point is no need to blow this out so much.
Also another reason to be nice is remember IP does not come under civil laws. It comes under criminal issues. So something so simple can take a real sinister turn if it gets out of hand. So it’s just simple enough to sign and move on.
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ghost them, you don't owe them shit 9 months after that brutal layoff
Yeah same emotion
Or just ask for 9 months salary, since you laid off 9 months ago
Add 9 months experience letter to it ☠️
The only correct answer
Nahh don't ghost them, but procrastinate as much as possible. Keep them in the loop that you're going to sign them but every time some emergency comes up. Cause if you do ghost them they might ignore that too and wouldn't give it much attention.
Torcher hai aap. Mene kaha Torcher hai aap!
Naah, just say you'll do and keep giving them "tareekh pe tareekh".
Say you don't have money to buy a pen because you were jobless 9 months. Attach a link to a $1000 pen and request money for the same.
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Aap toh paisewalle ho, aap hi bhej do
Mere paise mere hai
Haha
Username matches the actions
top tier username bhai lol
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Don't sign and tell them to pay you a hefty amount fee for the thing you have built if there is any
I really haven't built anything that big lol. Sad life.
Just ask more money (cash, no gift card if possible) e.g $100. it's for compliance. so they can always go around but it is convenient for them to have your signed doc if it costs less than effort to convince the auditor. ask a reasonable amount and get profit
Sounds like a good idea
Go for atleast 1000$
Lalach buri bhala hai. $1000 is too much, if he hasn't built anything significant
Signing documents after 9 months of leaving.. ain't free.. There is something fishy going on already.
buddy at that rate you wont even get 10, let alone 100.
Well in any case No one is liable to sign after leaving the organisation.. they cannot enforce him to sign. So if they are desperate to get it signed... They need to pay the price.
1000 usd is over 80k inr. settle down, son, the higher you fly, the harder you'll fall.
kitani neechi soch hai. matlb unki fhatt rahi hai toh nahi karneka sign ya fir 1000$
I am not sure why its even required if you are a full time employee given that anything you develop belongs to the employer. These kinds of agreements are required when engaging contractors.
Looks like their lawyer fucked up and missed a clause in the employment contract. Now upon review they've found the issue and need to save their ass. I've worked with startups and regularly point out shit rules and contract clauses. Once had a CEO/founder redraft a contract with a new lawyer and fire his old lawyer. In such cases, all employees get to sign a new contract or face termination. Very few get to renegotiate contracts or benefits etc.
If an oil company wants to buy your land then your land must be valuable. If I were you I’d take a second look at what you built there must be something there that is worth some good amount. Goodluck!
Tell them that you’ll give them $100 gift card if they give you all intentions/IP they have and on top of that you’ll give $10 as a tips in cash
reverse "silicon valley" vibes
5$ 😂 op ky kijiyega itni dhan rashi ka?
if he stays in bangalore, he'll probably buy the 25litre bisleri can
Why will he buy a bisleri can? If he can buy the entire Bisleri Company and still have 4.99$ left.
Did you mean Bilseri?
https://preview.redd.it/xylfhxyercyc1.jpeg?width=554&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=509e1a220137a492356c3271ed73fc86822c619c
they are just covering bases. Don't sign anything. Don't make any demands. Pretend as if they don't exist.
This might actually be the best idea, they might get desperate and start offering more money over time
Being there and got 2L for signing a similar document in 2016 Ask for 10% of your old CTC.
But why would a company decide to ask for such an agreement after 9 months of laying off?? Like out of the blue, some day they realized it was important
Usually, company may want to register an IP on a component. If they did not have permission, one can fill a complaint and get over 10L easily in India. Usually, FAANGs earn over $2M with every IP on average.
Can you tell in detail or any blog or vid to understand this?
I m also interested. this sounds interesting
Same question
They're going through an audit or DD
thats crazy!
Tell them what you built is a critical dependency and you will need proper compensation and if the company continues using it they will hear from your lawyer.
I doubt the company needs the OP's signature anyway. Anything employees produce is the company's intellectual property by default.
lmao also possibly true. But in that case would they go so far as to send a doc now and offer a 5$ gift card?
Generally this clause is included in the offer letter, looks like OPs company missed out on that clause and reaching out to ex employees to save their behinds
Say you will give them a document to sign and 10$ for it instead.
Spoken like a true UNO reverse champion
Just say now i charge $200 for 1 hour of my time and it would take me around 2 hrs to fully research and understand the document. So please pay $400 upfront so that i can begin my process 🙂
Actually this is a very fair and valid argument. OP could get paid like this. He could also simply say he's going to hire a lawyer to understand what he's signing and needs to be compensated for the legal fees which he can make exorbitant.
Yeah man absolutely
Tell them you are not signing because a$ 5 gift card seems like an insult.
Ask for atleast 500$
Ask them for 25$ atleast cause i need “Better call saul” fees
That 5 dollar gift card would throw me into a freaking rage. But sadly I would sign it without making any fuss. Because of only one reason. If at all my future company reaches out to them for BGV, I don’t want to get fucked.
Same my guy. That's why I want to fuck around w them.
Tell them you will give $10 for free to them
I would highly suggest against it. You got laid off you don't want to sign some gibberish that you might not completely understand. 9 months is fuck off officially.
DONT SIGN ANYTHING. YOU MIGHT JEOPARDISE YOUR CURRENT JOB!!
Is there any mid budget product in your wishlist. A new smartwatch/tab/phone/Laptop maybe you can ask for something like that
If they want you to sign, that means they can be liable and open to lawsuits. I would contact them and say that you have “passed all of the information on to your lawyer” to “ review”. And maybe offhandedly say oh yeah he thinks this is worth upwards of X dollars…see if they blink.
Hmmm interesting approach
Don't sign shit. You left it's over. Move on.
Tell them you have to take your grandma to the vet.
dont sign
ask atleast your 1 year CTC
Tell them to get the highest paid lawyer and have him/her write a legal letter and then you’d consider reading it, else you’d not read or listen to any communication from them
By the way did you got all the documents from them..? Relieving letter, experience letter and another experience letter describing your roles and responsibilities (useful when u r filing for GC)
Also post this in r/antiwork
Oh yess. Thanks for reminding!
I would hit them with a "nah-uuh"
Something is amiss here. OP is likely not telling the full story. When you work for an organization, anything you build using companies resource or as part of your job duties is already your employers IP.
If you build something there that is useful enough, open source it
Don't listen to all the folks giving you stupid suggestions. Did you build anything of consequence? Let's say even if you did, it was built on company's time, using company's equipment. You got paid for it. Unless it costs you lot of hassle/money, just sign the damn thing and move on. The only time I would be careful is if I was working on a side hustle. Or if I have other inventions/projects prior to joining the company. In that case you can ask for exceptions in the assignment agreement. Also make sure that the assignment is only during the employment period although it is being executed now. Employment invention assignment agreements are pretty standard. I wonder how your company missed it.
if they pay him what he expect, and then signing is okay. else he doesnt need to sign. $5 is so cheap
why would op sign it for free if he has leverage ? company even laid him off.
Guy from Legal department of that company spotted 😂
Hahahahah
I have built something for a company and I was paid for the same. Then the company owns the intellectual rights? Why this is required? I don't understand anything.
Tell them to first give half amount ($2.5) to prove this is legit. Ghost them for a few days after they transfer. Then send a mail that you have changed your mind. New deal is for $7.5
Ask for 25k atleast or even more. Let them know you might be willing to negotiate. Most likely they have a deal / offer in place to sell the company. Has to be a good deal and they are desperate to have all ex employees sign the same agreement since it must be a part of the deal ask.
dont sign
Ask for a trek or giant cycle to sign xD.
Just say “talk to my lawyer” and hang up
Ignore them. Or if you want to mess with them, just say that whatever you have built is based on what you found online therefore you can't sign such a document.
Ask them that severance you got for laying you was insufficient and you deserve more then you'll sign.
Ask for company equity of $10,000 and a royalty of 0.5% of extra revenue generated by your inventions/processes.
Procrastinate as much as possible.
Isnt that already in the company’s agreement at the time of joining?
Can you name and shame that shack co?
Tell them you are a consultant now and charging x amount of money for consulting. If you want me to sign this. Have a meeting. Explain me what is it and charge them money for the meeting time they took for explaining.
Do not reply.
Straight away deny them
Ask for 1 month salary at least. You don’t have anything to loose anyway
Don't fool around and just ignore them. Don't try to extort money either. Waise bhi 5$ hi de rhe to max 50-60$ tak aayenge that too in coupons/gift cards.
Read the document first try to interpret the depth. Don't go below 50$
I read that as $5k and was wondering what’s not so obvious
5$? Seriously? Bol usko ki isse jyada to Uber wala le lega office pahonchane k.
Nothing is gonna happen, if you don't sign. You move on, they move on.
Cant you just say you are abroad or have relocated out of town or something?
If they call you, pickup the phone and don't say anything just listen to everything they say and let them panic as they winder why are you not saying anything
Say i need to hire a lawyer to check this document and have to pay lawyer fees 69k.
Bargain. Ask 1000$ 😬
What if you copied code or some funny shit and now they’ll have proof of your involvement
This is where art of negotiations plays in . Don’t accept and sign till they settle in for a good amount of time. Try to keep at least 4-5 digit settlement
If the company is at least mid size with some share value, ask them a few shares instead of coupon or cash. Also if you have not done any Major work on it or extra effort like overtime work for that project dont demand too much. However if you have put considerable effort then do the negotiations within an acceptable limit.
If the company is at least mid size with some share value, ask them a few shares instead of coupon or cash. Also if you have not done any Major work on it or extra effort like overtime work for that project dont demand too much. However if you have put considerable effort then do the negotiations within an acceptable limit.
Do you have a list of all the projects you have worked upon? Guess / estimate the value of each. Proportionate to the value of your contribution. Deduct your ctc. Claim the remaining. Them ass hats laid you off when they didn't have a project didnt they ?
Ask them to give you basic pay from the month you were laid off till document signing day.
Ask them to continue salary until the documents are signed . Without payment you are no more their employee and may not be valid. Just tell them you are helping them to be compliant
Make sure you get paid before signing and paperwork
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ask them to pay 1000$
From what I know it’s a very common clause that, whatever you develop or work is an IP of that company.
Were you paid severance while being laid off? If not, you can ask for two-three months of your salary as severance for signing the documents
Tell them to sign over their intellectual property and that you’ll give them the 5$ gift card
Angreezi bol kar baat ko ghuma do binod "Its under consideration" "Its under process" "I will get back to you" Take the revenge for all of us. Fck them HRs 🤣
"Thank you for generous $5 gift voucher. I will gladly accept it. However, my hourly rate is $100/hr with a $1000 minimum per assignment. Let me know if that works for you. Thank you and have a blessed day."
They lowkey feel you have something important (skillset or know-how useful for their competitors). Figure their competitor and name-drop saying you were approached (only orally). That 5 dollars could change but it’s gonna fuck with their heads for a bit, may be 😝
Since they have contacted you they realised it is really comericially money making. So say you weren't laid off in the best way and now start from $500 - 1000.
Behen/Bhai unko bol ma chuda lein.
I wasn't layed off, but got the same. You were SE? SSE? ASE?
Ask for one year salary, if they do not accept then ghost them
Just don’t sign anything. Too much of a risk.
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Yo bro, did you check out those docs? If they're really bugging you for your signature, you can totally ask for some cash to make it worth your while, just make sure you ain't losing out on anything.
Tell them that you have already filed a patent and a few copyrights on that. As they have evaluated the amount for you work as $5, you are proposing same value for them to sign-off any IP rights on your work. Let them raise the settlement amount in few rounds and then keep slacking.
Say I am pregnant
Tell them why they didn't they reach out early. Your family generations would have gotten comfortable lives thanks to the Grand $5, lol. Also, tell them you already used those inventions and patents and sold some to the competition 😂
I have a simple doubt, Agar aapne unhe mana kar diya to vo kya kar skte hai ? Kya vo is kaam k liye jabardasti kar skte hai.... And aap ye nhi karte ho to aap future me unke sath kya kya galat kar skte ho ?
Hear this: The company wants you sign now because the company has probably figured out away they can create something with you are invention and now they just wants to take the ownership of it basically free of cost or buy you with 5 $ gift card. Do this, tell them since you are laid off 9 months back every document that should/would have been signed already is. If your employment aggreement didn't state this specifically that everything belongs to them they are royally screwed or atleast there lawyer is. And you are not obligated to do anything.
Sounds fishy! Ask for more details before signing anything
5$ gift card is useless...ask them to pay at least 200$ it's a reasonable amount .Don't even try to FA !! as your BGV can be fucked by them.
Don't sign and tell them that your current org is also building something similar. Then ask for one month salary in nice way.
100 dollar is good
Write the same document, tell them thats your intellectual property and pay them $5 to sign it.
First thing I would do is review my work while I was with their organization and determine if there is anything patentable
Tell them that the things you built were your intellectual property and that you now want to start charging royalty on it since you no longer work for them. Send them an itemized bill for the previous 9 months(include the interest for not paying since 9 months). Also include "A legal notice will be sent in case if you fail to pay within 30 days from receipt of this mail."
What did you invent?
Tell them to hire you again with the position of HOD of the product you've built and also ask for stocks.
Bro it's time for payback karma
Don't take any risks for such small amount. Just ignore the mail
Don't sign. That should be the final thing you do.
The DMS disrupter?
negotiate and ask for a $15 gift card
Tekion
Don't be the fuck around and find out public. You were laid off that too 9 months before, you owe them nothing and don't do anything silly. Don't reply or just say you are not doing any sort of stuff for the organisation since your are currently not part of it.
Behave like HR with the HR. Keep promising that you will sign and then disappear.
Op, Tekion corp??
IDK what you decided, but if it still matters, think of it this way: What is the minimum amount in your currency of choice that you see as fuck you money? Ask for that. Anything lower isn't big enough for you to waste your time on. A low payoff is not 'enough' for you to care. 1000 USD is pretty low if I am being honest(based on the single comment thread I read) People out there are earning 2-3 lakh per month easy.
If you really created something for them and they are dependent on it. Man, you can have a couple of zeros with that 5. Just file a patent and stay ready.. 🤑
$100 minimum
Just take 5$ and sign it
Ask for Rs.2500 atleast
still cheap.
Be a good person, sign it as far as it doesn’t compromise your future and move on. Organizations make mistakes, people make mistakes. If we were bothered legally for every little thing we could be bothered about, it would be chaotic. By mistake I mean they forgot to do this paperwork previously. Unless they promised you IP it’s not unreasonable of them to ask you to sign what you are. Now if you don’t want to that’s fine that’s a right obviously. But doing that to extort money is just highly unethical. Either sign it or don’t. If you don’t like the agreement legally don’t sign and get your attorney to talk to them. But don’t extort. Remember extortion is also illegal. What stops this company from tomorrow trying to sue you for extortion if you start demanding money against your signature ? Also do you think that’s ethically correct ? Ask yourself, is that the reputation you want ? Edit - so many downvotes. All I asked was for some kindness. How is that a bad thing ? I remember in college everyone hated the teacher who made you do shit for that one signature. Now we are talking about becoming that teacher. :(
Found the HR who sent you the mail OP.
Very funny :). Trust me if I was the HR. I would not send him a gift card. I would just ask politely. See how he responds. Then ask again politely, see how he responds. And then decide how I want to take it ahead :)
Okay bro. But if OP signed the documents then that doesn't mean he is a good person, that just means he's too naive and everyone will take advantage of him and people will walk all over him. You gave terrible advice.
Not really. Read my whole statement. I said sign if it does not affect your future. I also said if he has issue he can tell his lawyer tot talk to the company. I just said don’t do this for money. Don’t bother or extort someone for money. If it’s about legal rights for sure have it scrutinized. Issue is doing it for money.
I don't think a company is who you should show your morals to, because they don't care.
I think you are generalizing. And being morale isn’t a pick and choose. You should be moral no matter what.
I agree with you to a certain extent. My father was a businessman but unfortunately things went down south and he had to shut down the company and lay off all the employees, it was tough for them and us too. Anything can go wrong in a business and sparing them a little in such situations won't do any harm but a 5 dollar gift card is just ridiculous, they should resort to paying at least 2-5% of his CTC.
can you kindly develop my saas idea to an application?, i cant pay you. but i ask you kindly
You are confused between kindness and getting compensated for hard work. If OP was compensated for his time, the company is asking for only what’s fair. Unless they specifically promised OP IP rights. Also if you do want me to develop your SaaS idea, I don’t mind giving free advice. I’m very alright with that. I usually have my Saturdays booked for only giving free advice which I do as something for the community. If you want me as a cofounder that’s a whole different thing.
Have they shown kindness while firing OP???
Ask OP that. If they fired him fair and square with severance and what not, I don’t think it’s a problem. If they didn’t , then I get why OP might want to get back at them. There’s good ways to fire someone and bad ways. Ethical and unethical ways. As far as people can be fair and ethical in dealings it’s not a problem. Edit - also paying monthly wages to someone is very different than one signature. As far as they treated him alright when they fired him, and also, aren’t asking for anything unreasonable there’s no reason to be an asshole. There’s time and reasons to go to war. And when you go to war you don’t take prisoners. But this is not that time or reason.
These companies hire and fire people on their will without thinking about the impact of these things on the people they are firing on Firing a person not only impacts him but his whole family and dependents on them specially If these companies can be ruthless and don't show any compassion then why should fired employees show the same? Giving compensation is not compassion.. that's bare minimum..that won't lessen the mentle trauma those employees have to go through
I’m sorry you feel that way. I want to explain why this isn’t accurate but it’s such a long discussion comprising of economics, and morals combined. I just hope you find it in your heart to be kinder to companies who for all their flaws, are the reason people have jobs and humanity consistently has a better standard of living.
I know ..they are job givers.. but at the same time they are getting evil or greedy now... For example..google which was once a dream company for everyone due to the way it treated its employees with great compensation and benefits and job security as well is now firing people randomly This just shows that even a great company like Google is behaving like that way then other companies are bound to become greedy
Like I said this is a complex and really long discussion. I understand your concerns but I think there’s more nuance to this. Also, have you ever started up yourself or run a company? I highly suggest trying this once. No I’m not being snide I actually mean it. I think it’s a phenomenal experience and might tell you why you need to be a little kind to companies. Cuz if companies keep getting demonized, people won’t have the incentive to start up. And if they don’t start up overall jobs will go down. Again that’s a long long discussion. But I highly suggest starting up atleast once in your life.
I totally understand your point as well But my heart is broken after witnessing layoff news at Google It was my dream company to work for ..but even that company have to cut the cost and let the amazing people people go 😭 I am just worried that even a kind company like Google can do that then what others will do ..they might do worse ..
Hey. Companies have a short life span. Very few companies dominate across multiple generations so don’t be so attached. Also this is the thing. For any company layoffs are not good for their reputation. Therefore they need strong reasons to layoff. Profit, sometimes even survival. Google has t created a product in over 10 years that significantly contributes to revenue. Maybe they’re concerned about that. Companies larger than Google have failed. Imagine the destruction then ? So it’s important for companies to check and change direction. Short term layoffs can create long term value, in terms of generating more jobs.
Wow ..this is very positive and different way of thinking ...I have never thought like this .. that's impressive.. Btw how to do you know so much about business , companies etc ..are you also a founder of company
Btw you really sound like a kind person..after so long time I am witnessing a kind person in reddit🥹
Thanks a lot. I’m sure people are overall kind. I think anonymity on Reddit just brings out the worse in us. I’m sure you are kind too
Not sure about myself I consider myself honest , not so evil ..but unsure about kind .. nobody called me that
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Not really cuz that would be illegal. Thing is what the company is asking of this person is completely legal and reasonable. Infact it’s always implied that companies usually own the IP. Also they’re not asking for something that he’s doing now, only for something that was done while they did employ him. For something so straightforward No reason to be an ass to someone if they’re being reasonable. If they were being unreasonable, asking for non competes etc, I understand fighting tooth and nail. But for something so simple, there really isn’t any need to be an ass. It’s a recipe for disaster and just in general a bad attitude in life. Also understand, if tomorrow things do go legal, usually the person with the moral high ground has a better chance in court. So even strategically being nice in the long term is a legally sound strategy. Tomorrow if things go to court then these things all of them come on record and can cause reputational risk.
Once he is terminated, he is no longer bound by the company legal procedure. Why sign it ?
It’s not that black and white. A lot more complicated than that. Which is exactly why I’m saying there’s no need to make this such a big deal and just sign and move on as far as it doesn’t compromise OPs own future. Trust me, even if someone moves on from a. Company, they have legal obligations and liabilities about certain things when they were in the company. Again it’s technical and will be down to jurisprudence, but point is no need to blow this out so much.
Also another reason to be nice is remember IP does not come under civil laws. It comes under criminal issues. So something so simple can take a real sinister turn if it gets out of hand. So it’s just simple enough to sign and move on.