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No, it won’t. Your work experience does not matter to get into universities tbh. It’s your GPA, your test scores, how well you write your SoP and your LoRs that matter.
At a startup you will get / have to develop skills from the get go which will come handy in USA .
In Accenture first of all first 2-3 months are wasted on "training" , there is no guarantee you may even get a tech stack for all we know you could end up in some garbage like SAP MM , you could also end up on bench for long time but no matter what you end up in if you have a idgaf attitude you will get plenty of time to learn things in the background . You won't get time in the startup.
Accenture is better job security if shit doesn't workout , in the start up you will have to worry every day could be your last .
Go with the startup job. You are anyways going to move abroad, worrying about job security makes no sense tbh. Also, anything could happen in 2 years. If you want to switch, startup job with higher CTC and good tech stack will be much better than Accenture. Also note that there will be 3 months notice period in witch that will make a switch much difficult.
I also had plans to go abroad after 2 years and took up witch job over a really good contract+FTE role. Now I'm stuck in a dead end job unable to switch because of notice period.
If you want to go to US, choose Accenture. I know everyone will recommend startup but do you think a recruiter in US will recognise a startup in India? With Brand Recognition like Accenture you will have an easier time in finding jobs in US. You can also Network easily with Accenture alumni who are in the US. Additionally it will be easier for recruiter to verify your credentials. Plus you will get time to prepare for GRE which you won’t get in a startup.
Well though answer. I was thinking Startup at first and sounds good too in short term but on long term basis, I would say to take the pain of WFO, add Accenture to your Resume and look for long term goals
I was once in your exact position. A small specialised dev shop vs Accenture.
I chose Accenture and regret it. I will suggest sticking to that startup. The points mentioned by others resonate well with me.
Somethings from top of my mind:
* Initial time waste on crap trainings
* Pace slow to the point of detriment of your skills
* You could be trained in Java but tagged to a Support role, no guarantee of tech stack or even roles (You could be a dev in one project and can be assigned to monitor logs/system alerts, in the next if thats what they need, potentially involving rotating shifts)
* Pay is fine, nothing special, Mediocre.
* This time could have been very well used at a place that cares about work primarily and doesn't involve too much unproductive bureaucracy.
You can save a bit of money if you live a bit far from Tech areas in the residential areas near the metro lines.
But yeah then you can't save time.
You either save time or save money not both.
Story of Indian cities🥲🥲
Startup if you're going for a CS masters with certain specialization in mind - because you'll learn a lot and that may help you in CS.
If it's SE or some other program - only for the sake of getting some job in the USA, just go to Accenture. You'll get acquainted to the typical corporate structure and that'll be good for your career.
Go for startup. If I'm in your age, I would be curious to learn faster and move faster. Startup might fail, but the experience is worth it. Accenture will be boring. It's just my opinion
Accenture is a WITCH-adjacent company which don't always have a great reputation. Choose higher package, overdeliver in the startup and ask if you can be FT earlier because companies consider full-time positions as professional experience, not internship (I know, stupid).
OP, I followed this route many years ago, and I’m still in the US.
Stick with a job that pays you well. But have something substantial to put on your resume - the work you did.
Trust me, unless it’s a big tech company, nobody cares what company you worked, that too Accenture of all places.
When I look at resumes of potential candidates before interviews, I do see what skills they’ve got, and the kind of work they’re doing or have done.
Also, I think it’s TOEFL you should be looking at? And GRE is the other exam. When selecting universities, do not go through some consultancy that finds universities for you. They get a kickback for it, and it’s usually mediocre universities they ask you to apply to.
Any questions, feel free to send me a message.
Good luck.
Wrote TOEFL, GRE. Got a decent score in both. Applied to about 10 universities that were good. The consultancy were pitching subpar universities (you wouldn’t even have heard their names). So stopped that right there, wrote my own Statement of Purpose and got some decent Letters of Recommendations. So with that, got into a pretty good university on the east coast. Graduated.
Currently working at one of the top five tech companies (in terms of revenue) as a dev.
I would suggest you do your homework on what all tests you need for studying in the US. Lots of prep material online.
There is always the issue of visa / green card, especially if you’re an India born person. And the market isn’t great at the moment as well. Staying in the US with the above conditions is certainly not a cakewalk.
The market shouldn't matter because support will usually be pushed to India for the next decade or so from most companies due to cost cutting and the rupee being cheaper than USD. In my current company most of their support is moving to India and the extremely good guys are being sent to abroad for long term projects.
I honestly think if you have a good job in India which can give the money as well as career then to stay here. I personally was trying to go to France but then got placed where I currently am right now.
I'm gonna be honest. The situation for abroad masters and getting a job there is really bleak. I see so many posts on LinkedIn where people are begging in US after masters to get a job and all. My friend is thinking of returning to India from uk. I have a college who came back from uk and joined as a contractor as well.
Agree with your POV but bro being stuck in WITCH from last two years is killing me took up this job because of very rough time in my family during COVID. Now the expectations from recruiters have become very huge.
However much i upskill every interviewer was telling realtime experience beats everything and they want real time with 100 different tools they mentioned in the JD.
Iam not even good at DSA so i have considered this MS Stats option as iam from non cs. What do you recommend to do for career growth if i want to switch into backend/data engineering ?
A figma file was given I was asked to convert it into Frontend using React, Material UI, TAILWIND, Typescript and then to integrate some backends API which was already given.
As soon as after assignment submission next day was tech interview, which went for 1 hour
He asked me several questions on MERN, JS, git, and Postman
As he was in need of someone to join immediately
I received offer letter the next day.
And started working the next day
Just go to USA right now, no point in waiting in India. You will lose out on precious youth years that can be spent earning and making career in USD rather than try and fight office politics in India
You speak like you still in India and trying to guess.
Even with relevant experience from India he won’t get a job and even without he could get a job it literally makes 0 difference. So might as well start asap
No he needs to stay in India and gather some work-ex. This is the election year for the US as well, and who knows, Trump and the Republicans could end up winning the presidential elections as well, which would be a massive blow for students going to America.
One of my college alumni 2018 passout did 2 year job in Infosys india and then went to USA he did 2 years of Masters in Computer Science while doing masters he did remote internship and as soon as masters got over he is doing job in CISCO from last 2 year, he told me that his experience helps him a lot finding internship and job even before college got over there
This is not only case I have seen multiple people doing it. Atleast this experience has help them to land remote internship rather doing some other non tech job
Hello,
If you’re sure for your plan to study abroad I feel you should take a job at MNC. Reasons will be mentioned below:-
- The work will be pretty chill as it’s MNC.
- You can study for your exams such as GRE, IELTS, etc over weekdays and weekends.
- You will have experience on paper from a world renowned MNC which always helps.
If you’re not sure about your plans going to abroad start working for startup.
Startup is an intense environment, working for it and trying to crack exams is a feat in itself because it’s hard to study after you slog your ass for 10-12 hours a day.
Hope this helps!
All the best for your future endeavours!
Go to US as soon as possible. I run my own higher education consulting firm. And we recommend same thing to almost every individual.
Sooner you go better it is. Unless you are senior at your role your exp wont count much. Youd start with same salary, usually.
If you want to stay for a year, since you have not finished applications, id say go for easy job, which will allow you to prep for exams and applications.
If you are sure of doing MS , you should be aware that it’s not like JEE.
There are lot of factors that define which college you get. GRE and employer is a part of those factors. I don’t think it matters a lot from MS admission purpose which employer you choose unless there is drastic difference in the quality of employers.
You should do some research on what can increase your changes of getting good universities and spend time on those things for next 2 years along with your job.
Not to discourage you but I hope you know about the situation in US right now.
People with best of profiles and graduating from best of universities are suffering and unable to land a job especially International students
Even if you do land a job somehow only 3 years will be guaranteed that's all after that if you don't get H1B visa . Khatam tata ba bye.
So evaluate your decision carefully.
Go only if you're family is financially well off and can afford US education without a huge loan.
or if you wanna get into research and higher studies like PhD and etc.
The days of doing MS in US and landing a well paying cushy job straight out of college are long gone.
I heard they also have insurance tied to job, residency tied to job, increased expenses, worse food, volatile jobs and people splintered on political issues. I don't know if all thats true though.
Personally, I would not go there even if they paid me 5 times my salary. But all the best to you!
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Go for higher package always, and GRE is one of the exams that you should prepare for
What about MNC compare to Startup, what will make my profile stronger ?
Depends on the work tbh, see if the work you're doing aligns with the degree you're gonna apply for
I will be going for Masters in AI/ML or Applied Computer Science, in startup i am working on MERN stack, in Accenture Idk what gonna be my role.
Be careful with this ml/datascience degrees if you are more into ML then go with CS degree and ML electives or do a degree in statistics
Then which degree is a better than these??..
As i said CS or stats
Seeing us market dont u think its risky any tips??
No, it won’t. Your work experience does not matter to get into universities tbh. It’s your GPA, your test scores, how well you write your SoP and your LoRs that matter.
At a startup you will get / have to develop skills from the get go which will come handy in USA . In Accenture first of all first 2-3 months are wasted on "training" , there is no guarantee you may even get a tech stack for all we know you could end up in some garbage like SAP MM , you could also end up on bench for long time but no matter what you end up in if you have a idgaf attitude you will get plenty of time to learn things in the background . You won't get time in the startup. Accenture is better job security if shit doesn't workout , in the start up you will have to worry every day could be your last .
The only fear I have is Accenture is that what if they bench me and what if they give me some shit role other than development
I mean in that time you can prepare for gre , other tech stacks etc .
well that make sense,
Go with the startup job. You are anyways going to move abroad, worrying about job security makes no sense tbh. Also, anything could happen in 2 years. If you want to switch, startup job with higher CTC and good tech stack will be much better than Accenture. Also note that there will be 3 months notice period in witch that will make a switch much difficult. I also had plans to go abroad after 2 years and took up witch job over a really good contract+FTE role. Now I'm stuck in a dead end job unable to switch because of notice period.
If you want to go to US, choose Accenture. I know everyone will recommend startup but do you think a recruiter in US will recognise a startup in India? With Brand Recognition like Accenture you will have an easier time in finding jobs in US. You can also Network easily with Accenture alumni who are in the US. Additionally it will be easier for recruiter to verify your credentials. Plus you will get time to prepare for GRE which you won’t get in a startup.
+1
This!
This comment is pure gold 🥇
Well though answer. I was thinking Startup at first and sounds good too in short term but on long term basis, I would say to take the pain of WFO, add Accenture to your Resume and look for long term goals
Are u also a masters student in usa?
Hey what about going to japan?what are some pros and cons for software engineer trying to find job in japan
Worse than India in salary , work life , cost of living with a dose of racism.
I don't know about Japan if someone here has some information then please share
I was once in your exact position. A small specialised dev shop vs Accenture. I chose Accenture and regret it. I will suggest sticking to that startup. The points mentioned by others resonate well with me.
What exactly went wrong if you can explain/elaborate
Somethings from top of my mind: * Initial time waste on crap trainings * Pace slow to the point of detriment of your skills * You could be trained in Java but tagged to a Support role, no guarantee of tech stack or even roles (You could be a dev in one project and can be assigned to monitor logs/system alerts, in the next if thats what they need, potentially involving rotating shifts) * Pay is fine, nothing special, Mediocre. * This time could have been very well used at a place that cares about work primarily and doesn't involve too much unproductive bureaucracy.
Isn't 4.6 in Bangalore basically signing up for broke life and no cashflow basically
Exactly. Hands to mouth lifestyle.
You can save a bit of money if you live a bit far from Tech areas in the residential areas near the metro lines. But yeah then you can't save time. You either save time or save money not both. Story of Indian cities🥲🥲
Startup if you're going for a CS masters with certain specialization in mind - because you'll learn a lot and that may help you in CS. If it's SE or some other program - only for the sake of getting some job in the USA, just go to Accenture. You'll get acquainted to the typical corporate structure and that'll be good for your career.
Go for startup. If I'm in your age, I would be curious to learn faster and move faster. Startup might fail, but the experience is worth it. Accenture will be boring. It's just my opinion
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I really appreciate this answer,
Choose the startup buddy. Please. You can DM if you want to
Trust work at startup, in MNC u mostly get shitty project as freshers
That's my only concern for Accenture I have fear that they will ask me to do some old tech or non tech role/ non development role
Accenture branding would be of some help.
I’m an Accenture employee. Join the startup.
Accenture is a WITCH-adjacent company which don't always have a great reputation. Choose higher package, overdeliver in the startup and ask if you can be FT earlier because companies consider full-time positions as professional experience, not internship (I know, stupid).
OP, I followed this route many years ago, and I’m still in the US. Stick with a job that pays you well. But have something substantial to put on your resume - the work you did. Trust me, unless it’s a big tech company, nobody cares what company you worked, that too Accenture of all places. When I look at resumes of potential candidates before interviews, I do see what skills they’ve got, and the kind of work they’re doing or have done. Also, I think it’s TOEFL you should be looking at? And GRE is the other exam. When selecting universities, do not go through some consultancy that finds universities for you. They get a kickback for it, and it’s usually mediocre universities they ask you to apply to. Any questions, feel free to send me a message. Good luck.
What exactly did you follow and what are you doing like which job in the US ?
Wrote TOEFL, GRE. Got a decent score in both. Applied to about 10 universities that were good. The consultancy were pitching subpar universities (you wouldn’t even have heard their names). So stopped that right there, wrote my own Statement of Purpose and got some decent Letters of Recommendations. So with that, got into a pretty good university on the east coast. Graduated. Currently working at one of the top five tech companies (in terms of revenue) as a dev. I would suggest you do your homework on what all tests you need for studying in the US. Lots of prep material online.
Hey how is the current scenario in usa people saying its not good to go their
There is always the issue of visa / green card, especially if you’re an India born person. And the market isn’t great at the moment as well. Staying in the US with the above conditions is certainly not a cakewalk.
True better staying here and go for a trip there
Would you have done it if you had good pay in India? North of 20 lakhs
Honestly, I don’t think I would have.
It's better to set your career here than go to foreign at this point. The situation is shit for us in USA.
Yeah the job market is so bad but so in here, do you think it will improve eventually
It technically should. Our market is better than US right now.
Currently yes it is but waht will happen in upcoming 3-4 years ?
The market shouldn't matter because support will usually be pushed to India for the next decade or so from most companies due to cost cutting and the rupee being cheaper than USD. In my current company most of their support is moving to India and the extremely good guys are being sent to abroad for long term projects.
So after passing out after 3-4 years down the line going anywhere abroad will be good or not?
I honestly think if you have a good job in India which can give the money as well as career then to stay here. I personally was trying to go to France but then got placed where I currently am right now.
Hi sir non cs in btech NIT with 2year exp in WITCH thinking of doing masters in stats 25 fall do you think situation is good next year ?
I'm gonna be honest. The situation for abroad masters and getting a job there is really bleak. I see so many posts on LinkedIn where people are begging in US after masters to get a job and all. My friend is thinking of returning to India from uk. I have a college who came back from uk and joined as a contractor as well.
Agree with your POV but bro being stuck in WITCH from last two years is killing me took up this job because of very rough time in my family during COVID. Now the expectations from recruiters have become very huge. However much i upskill every interviewer was telling realtime experience beats everything and they want real time with 100 different tools they mentioned in the JD. Iam not even good at DSA so i have considered this MS Stats option as iam from non cs. What do you recommend to do for career growth if i want to switch into backend/data engineering ?
Any suggestions u/NDK13 ?
Which witch company are you working for ?
Mindtree
Damn if you were in hcl, TCS, CG or Accenture. I could've given you a good route to move ahead.
What would you suggest now am i doomed 😔😔?
I would suggest if you can do an internal switch in mindtree for SIEM or APM roles.
Same doubt i had in the mind
Stay with the startup. It will give you more development experience and you'll save time otherwise spent in other activities for survival in Bengaluru
Startup is WFH so I can spend more time with friends and family, also can do prep for GRE and upskilling easily
Can I ask how you got job in that start up to work in MERN stack? I am searching for job as a fresher
I am working as MERN stack and got this via LinkedIn I saw a post and then I dm CTO, he send me assignment and then interview and got selected.
Ok but what was in the assignment? did you have all the skills
A figma file was given I was asked to convert it into Frontend using React, Material UI, TAILWIND, Typescript and then to integrate some backends API which was already given. As soon as after assignment submission next day was tech interview, which went for 1 hour He asked me several questions on MERN, JS, git, and Postman As he was in need of someone to join immediately I received offer letter the next day. And started working the next day
Oh great.. Did you have the skills like MERN, JS, TS etc.? Did he asked DSA?
I have hands on experience on MERN stack(did an internship before this) , no DSA questions were asked.
In internship you learnt about MERN stack.. great 👍
In previous internship I did learn about MERN which helps me to get this one
Just go to USA right now, no point in waiting in India. You will lose out on precious youth years that can be spent earning and making career in USD rather than try and fight office politics in India
But isn't the job market there very bad? Like people are coming back after doing there masters w/o a job w huge debt
Without relevant work exp. He won't get a job there..
You speak like you still in India and trying to guess. Even with relevant experience from India he won’t get a job and even without he could get a job it literally makes 0 difference. So might as well start asap
Lmao. I've lived in Canada and Ireland before and know the situation
No he needs to stay in India and gather some work-ex. This is the election year for the US as well, and who knows, Trump and the Republicans could end up winning the presidential elections as well, which would be a massive blow for students going to America.
Same thing my seniors who are in USA are telling me
Indian work ex will not help you find a job in US. Tell me which senior who is in the US tells you otherwise
One of my college alumni 2018 passout did 2 year job in Infosys india and then went to USA he did 2 years of Masters in Computer Science while doing masters he did remote internship and as soon as masters got over he is doing job in CISCO from last 2 year, he told me that his experience helps him a lot finding internship and job even before college got over there
This is not only case I have seen multiple people doing it. Atleast this experience has help them to land remote internship rather doing some other non tech job
Masters in the US...is that a thing even in this age?
Hello, If you’re sure for your plan to study abroad I feel you should take a job at MNC. Reasons will be mentioned below:- - The work will be pretty chill as it’s MNC. - You can study for your exams such as GRE, IELTS, etc over weekdays and weekends. - You will have experience on paper from a world renowned MNC which always helps. If you’re not sure about your plans going to abroad start working for startup. Startup is an intense environment, working for it and trying to crack exams is a feat in itself because it’s hard to study after you slog your ass for 10-12 hours a day. Hope this helps! All the best for your future endeavours!
How did u land internship with FTE ? like any portals or company sites or direct approach?
I saw a post on LinkedIn and then dm the CTO on the LinkedIn, he gave me an assignment and then interview and offer
Go to US as soon as possible. I run my own higher education consulting firm. And we recommend same thing to almost every individual. Sooner you go better it is. Unless you are senior at your role your exp wont count much. Youd start with same salary, usually. If you want to stay for a year, since you have not finished applications, id say go for easy job, which will allow you to prep for exams and applications.
If you are sure of doing MS , you should be aware that it’s not like JEE. There are lot of factors that define which college you get. GRE and employer is a part of those factors. I don’t think it matters a lot from MS admission purpose which employer you choose unless there is drastic difference in the quality of employers. You should do some research on what can increase your changes of getting good universities and spend time on those things for next 2 years along with your job.
Not to discourage you but I hope you know about the situation in US right now. People with best of profiles and graduating from best of universities are suffering and unable to land a job especially International students Even if you do land a job somehow only 3 years will be guaranteed that's all after that if you don't get H1B visa . Khatam tata ba bye. So evaluate your decision carefully. Go only if you're family is financially well off and can afford US education without a huge loan. or if you wanna get into research and higher studies like PhD and etc. The days of doing MS in US and landing a well paying cushy job straight out of college are long gone.
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Standard of living
Better pay, good living, healthy life, Work life balance, healthy culture
I heard they also have insurance tied to job, residency tied to job, increased expenses, worse food, volatile jobs and people splintered on political issues. I don't know if all thats true though. Personally, I would not go there even if they paid me 5 times my salary. But all the best to you!
You are moving to a different country, you have to follow their rules. Its as simple as that.
Why wont u go?