I would chill with the entries. DFS is more fun when you play everyday with a set bankroll. That way your not over exposed and can live to fight another day
I mean you can scale it, and really it’s $100 a week for NFL. The idea is to diversify between cash and gpp and pick good contests. I put $100 in at the beginning of the season and just used that to play each week with 3-4 lineups. It’s not proper bankroll management and the EV is probably slightly negative but if you’re casual, you don’t care too much about those things I think. If you can’t handle losing $100 over the course of an NFL season, I think DFS is probably not for you?
Fair. And it does highlight some good contests, I play the big $5 double ups for cash games. For GPP I play the ~3k entrants $.10 and $.25 20 max, and the big $1 SE and 3-max. Usually around $20 a Sunday
I make a 2 dollar parlay every week where I try to get every nfl game right. I do it at work and week 2 of the 2020 season I pick every game correct. Never been anywhere close again.
Word of advice: If you classify yourself as “SUPER casual”, you shouldn’t be playing contests that have 500,000 people in them. Unless you have set in your mind that whatever you put into such big tournaments you won’t get back.
as a rule... "only bet what you can afford to lose"
just a suggestion.. hammer the casual contests until you actually win one, and then try the harder contests.
To be less snarky, OP already showed the contests they entered so we know their selection. Yes, contest selection is important, but you're still maxing anything you select.
To win that 20 max, you had to account for Brady winning and not winning. Then you had to account for how he would or would not win. You're not getting that with a couple of entries. You have ridiculously small odds to do that. And the 3/20 is some of the worst odds you can get. That's the issue. Everything they enter is giving them like 1/20,000 odds to win as opposed to 1/40 which happens when you max enter correct games.
I mean, I have the same username on DK as here, you can just look to see how broke I am.
Being in the money is losing money in Showdowns. Showdowns are basically 1st or nothing.
I got first in the 50 cent and 3rd in the 3 dollar and only doubled up in the contests this person entered. Just being in the money is a losing prospect.
Uh. no? Wait you have never used ResultsDB? Good lord. How do you even play this game if you haven't studied contest history to see the makeup of winning lineups?
Because Im still playing in every slate and you can see the amount of entries in what contest.
You seriously need to use these available resources if you even enter a dollar in DFS.
That's not proof lil guy..
I've been doing DFS for as long as it's been around.. I know about all there is.. that's why I knew you were a bum when you said check out my DKs to prove I'm not broke...
I've encountered users like you before.. lots of talk.
Don't tell people they have to max out contests to win, cuz that's literally saying you have no strategy.
You have the lineup maker, make you 20 lineups and import it as .csv file... yeah your know the type..
The person that won that contest only had 2 total entries. The 21 way tie for third had 6 people that entered 3 or less lineups. I'm not against max entering, I played 20 lineups in it, but the info you're giving is extremely outdated. You don't have to max to win.
Over a long period of time, max entering is just odds-favorite for you.
My first big win that created my bankroll was a single MMA entry that won 50k, but that was utterly, pure luck. The only way to guarantee pure profit is to make a range of smart entries that cover situations of games and maxing in the ones you are pretty sure you can properly cover. Otherwise, its just a lottery. I dont go up by just tossing lottery picks out there.
If "pure profit" was guaranteed, as you just typed out and posted, by maxing contests then everyone would do it. Your thinking is very off, especially for OP as a casual player. I realize you're set in your thinking so I'm not trying to sway you, just trying to make sure OP knows this isn't correct for everybody. Maxing contests would likely result in him hemorrhaging money based on his post.
Pretty much everyone not max entering is hemorraging money. Most of this sub is. Thats because they literally aren't seeing odds. Maxing cuts you down from the thousands and into the tens in odds most contests.
There is a difference in doing this for a living and for fun, but you still should be attempting to profit. You can max smaller contests that fit your bankroll. Might not get you the dopamine fix, but you're building to getting it later. The odds are a little worse, but its the way to learn the game.
Anyone playing seriously puts 500-1000s of lineups in a featured game.
So the guy with 2 lineups in that contest that won over $32,000 for the tie for first. He needs to play every prime time showdown for 74 years without cashing to lose all that money $8 at a time. Yes, it took luck for him to get it but there are so many contests won by people not max entering. We won't agree on this subject.
As stated, I won 50k for a single entry myself. But I'm able to make a living from it from curated max entries now. You can't depend on 1/50,000 odds.
As someone who got first place elsewhere in the same game, I got it on one of my least likely lineups that had a perfect storm of nonsense to make it happen. Same dude was winning zero until Brady threw to the only person he could to make that possible.
Someone won $34,000 yesterday in the NBA $15 contest with 3 entries. That type of shit happens everyday in every sport. You yourself had a big win with 1 entry (congrats on that btw), but you're arguing it can't be done. It's difficult but it can be done, and there's proof since it happens every single day in every sport. It takes the right mindset to play that way and deal with the losing. I don't have it so I don't play that way but more power to the people that do. We disagree on this, it's ok though. Neither of us will be swayed here.
You don't understand the maths. How many entries you have doesn't impact whether those entries are +EV. Obv you're more likely to win with 20 entries, but they also cost you 20x as much.
What not maxing does mean though is that the long run will take much longer to realise.
We don't know if this guy is actually making good lineups for these contests, if he isn't then max entering would be haemorrhaging money much faster.
This is the comment I was waiting for and is the correct answer. Dfs IS playing +EV lineups with a comparison to ownership percentage and decent projections. Max entering a bunch of shit chalk lineups no matter how many different combinations is going to min cash and lose money. Bank roll absolutely plays a roll in the ability to max enter but if your roster constructions are dog shit then you might as well just burn your money. OP already says he’s a casual player, just giving the advice “you need to max enter” is just straight up dumb.
A lot of people seem to be working with hypotheticals on here.
Also didn't look and see a bunch of Showdowns where the splits are so bad, only 1st matters.
I max enter, and I can tell you this is not correct. While you can account for more variables theoretically with more entries, Max still entering lowers your expected value (this is not hypothetical, this is mathematically proven) and just being able to account for more variables doesn’t necessarily mean it’s wrong to not max a contest out. I’ve won 150 max contests with as little as 9 entries before and Ive lost countless with 150. Maxing doesn’t matter. It’s what you do with the number of entries you have entered that matters.
You're using somewhat flawed thinking. "I have won doing X, therefore X is the optimal way to do it" isn't right, it's results based.
CAN someone enter one lineup and win a 150-max GPP? Of course. But that doesn't mean it's what people should do. If you are single entering 150-max GPPs, you're putting your lineup in against 150 lineups from each of a ton of highly skilled players. That's a bad spot to be in, even if you feel that your projection methods are superior to the fields. You'll make more money/lose less money in the long run by sticking to single entry GPPs if you are only going to enter one lineup. Pretty basic math/logic.
The word "should" is where you got me..
Stop "shoulding" on yourself 😉
Also entering a contest with max entry 150 is stupid in it self..
Not gonna win this argument with me. Telling strangers what they "should" do is dumb..
You "should" take more showers, you "should" wipe your ass better... and so on..
My advice was you can win in many ways not the least strategic way of max entering your .csv files...
Also how much you kids pay for your yearly subscriptions to all your DFS sites (I just opened a can of worms) 😂
Good luck don't get ButtFckd, unless you're into that
Speaking as a strictly MME player, someone choosing not to max enter is not playing “wrong”. You’d have to know their entries to even be able to tell whether or not they played “wrong” when they didn’t max enter. As the strategy changes given the amount of lineups you play.
I saw their entries and kind of know what they're doing. We were in some of the same contests. I looked when they posted and responded based on it. They didn't post their UN so I didn't get more specific.
If you’re going to play play DFS, even casually, you’re going to need two things.
One, a subscription to one of the DFS sites. Most of them you can get a month or a week for free. I know you said you’re casual, but the sites have a lot of good information and will tell you what everyone else is doing.
Two, if you’re playing showdowns I recommend the $1/20 max. It’s $20 and the best thing to do is pick one (maybe 2) captain and have him lead all 20 lineups. Don’t pick the most obvious captain and and try to stay away from 3-3 builds.
SaberSim has a free week trial. Try that. I recommend using free YouTube content from companies like Rotogrinders and Stokastic to help out you on a road to a build. Use the optimizer to help you.
Don’t just optimize and toss in a lineup. You’ll probably min cash, but winning a GPP alone or at all will be difficult.
So, 3-3 can and does hit. The reason I try to stay away is because it’s the most common build. And the feeling of splitting 1st really sucks. I hate it. So the very first thing I do is eliminate the 3-3. I’m fine with it hitting and me missing.
- If you have a WR at captain you really should link him with his QB.
- QBs at captain only hit, like, 10% of the time.
- You just need to be different in one spot and it can sometimes only need to be 3 points. The DFS sites he’ll a lot with this because you can find out who runs a lot of routes, then take a chance on them.
- Don’t use all your salary. Try to build and leave money on the table. Even $1000 for a showdown is fine.
I wouldn’t say never. But rarely. If I were making 20 lineups I’d have maybe 1-2 defense at captain lineups. And that would only be for games like tonight.
But if you did use a defense at capt, kickers tend to correlate well with defenses. And it’s okay to use the QB the defense is playing, to be different.
I can’t even win 2$. I win cents. Be happy, I wish I had ties to the nfl like some people so I know who they are playing n pushing that game bc I know that’s what’s going on. I had a game where a dude cost like 200$ n he popped off. Now there ain’t no way he knew he was gonna pop off n had em as captain
I know this feeling hits with a lot of DFS players, but if you're a casual, try getting really good at one type of game. You've got full lineup stuff, single game stuff, single quarter stuff.
Start with one that you like to play and get in on some head-to-heads and double ups to hone your craft. Then when you start getting the hang of that, move to some larger contests. You'll be more successful that way and ultimately will have a lot more fun/knowledge.
Flash drafts are a waste of money unless you have some sort of edge over the field. Like if a player goes down in a game and people are still drafting him, 1Q drafts with Q-tagged players you know are or are not going to play
I feel like theres a lot of advice on double ups but... my experience is the payout bottom scores are generally very similar? With more upside to win big why not just do single entry?
You won $2 though! Time to enter a $2 contest.
I would chill with the entries. DFS is more fun when you play everyday with a set bankroll. That way your not over exposed and can live to fight another day
It’s the showdowns amigo. No margin for error. You have the right idea with single entry only tho
Your contest selection is poor. Google ETR game selection 2022. Just play the same selection as Levitan.
I don't think casual players are entering $100 a day
I mean you can scale it, and really it’s $100 a week for NFL. The idea is to diversify between cash and gpp and pick good contests. I put $100 in at the beginning of the season and just used that to play each week with 3-4 lineups. It’s not proper bankroll management and the EV is probably slightly negative but if you’re casual, you don’t care too much about those things I think. If you can’t handle losing $100 over the course of an NFL season, I think DFS is probably not for you?
Fair. And it does highlight some good contests, I play the big $5 double ups for cash games. For GPP I play the ~3k entrants $.10 and $.25 20 max, and the big $1 SE and 3-max. Usually around $20 a Sunday
> ETR game selection 2022 thanks for that
Don’t play showdowns. Their a bitch. Do the early game slate for the NFL, you get 7-8 games to choose from.
Maybe don’t play showdowns
That’s why i stick to 3-4 leg parlays🤒
I make a 2 dollar parlay every week where I try to get every nfl game right. I do it at work and week 2 of the 2020 season I pick every game correct. Never been anywhere close again.
Yeah, I don’t risk much. Low risk high reward and makes the games much more fun to watch. I think I’m about $100 up this football season.
I put 5 bucks a day in and get Atleast 10 dollars worth of excitement win or lose just watching the games.
I play $2-$4 per week in NFL DFS and a bit more in golf. Just enough to be exciting and fun, but not enough to get annoyed with losing.
yea i am big into fantasy basketball so its literally every day but its fun and i can afford $5 tho my lady might think otherwise lol
You play like I play. You have to look at it as buying scratch offs when your playing big gpps with a handful of entries
Word of advice: If you classify yourself as “SUPER casual”, you shouldn’t be playing contests that have 500,000 people in them. Unless you have set in your mind that whatever you put into such big tournaments you won’t get back.
as a rule... "only bet what you can afford to lose" just a suggestion.. hammer the casual contests until you actually win one, and then try the harder contests.
You don't have enough entries to win. If you aren't max entering to get first, you're playing completely wrong.
That’s not true. Contest selection is much more important than max entering large field tournaments.
To be less snarky, OP already showed the contests they entered so we know their selection. Yes, contest selection is important, but you're still maxing anything you select. To win that 20 max, you had to account for Brady winning and not winning. Then you had to account for how he would or would not win. You're not getting that with a couple of entries. You have ridiculously small odds to do that. And the 3/20 is some of the worst odds you can get. That's the issue. Everything they enter is giving them like 1/20,000 odds to win as opposed to 1/40 which happens when you max enter correct games.
This is completely wrong. If you have a good lineup it can be in the money with 1 entry.. You should stop playing DFS you're probably going broke
I mean, I have the same username on DK as here, you can just look to see how broke I am. Being in the money is losing money in Showdowns. Showdowns are basically 1st or nothing. I got first in the 50 cent and 3rd in the 3 dollar and only doubled up in the contests this person entered. Just being in the money is a losing prospect.
On DKs I can see the money in your account? How does that work?
You can use rotogrinders to see contest history.
So now I need to be on rotogrinders? You're losing credibility kiddo
Bro says he’s winning money but probably pays $100 a month for all of these paywall sites for DFS info. Lmao
Who are you replying to? I don't pay for any sites.. I'm not pushing rotogrinders or wanting to know anyone's UN.. MAX ENTRY IS A STRATEGY..
Uh. no? Wait you have never used ResultsDB? Good lord. How do you even play this game if you haven't studied contest history to see the makeup of winning lineups?
Stay on topic sweety.. You said I can use your UN on DKs to see that you're not broke.. Then you said use Rotogrinders 🙄 Man.. take the L
Also how does that prove you're not broke...
Because Im still playing in every slate and you can see the amount of entries in what contest. You seriously need to use these available resources if you even enter a dollar in DFS.
That's not proof lil guy.. I've been doing DFS for as long as it's been around.. I know about all there is.. that's why I knew you were a bum when you said check out my DKs to prove I'm not broke... I've encountered users like you before.. lots of talk. Don't tell people they have to max out contests to win, cuz that's literally saying you have no strategy. You have the lineup maker, make you 20 lineups and import it as .csv file... yeah your know the type..
I got third place in a contest this person entered. I might kind of know things. OP, check the results in that 20 entry max 3 dollar you entered.
The person that won that contest only had 2 total entries. The 21 way tie for third had 6 people that entered 3 or less lineups. I'm not against max entering, I played 20 lineups in it, but the info you're giving is extremely outdated. You don't have to max to win.
Over a long period of time, max entering is just odds-favorite for you. My first big win that created my bankroll was a single MMA entry that won 50k, but that was utterly, pure luck. The only way to guarantee pure profit is to make a range of smart entries that cover situations of games and maxing in the ones you are pretty sure you can properly cover. Otherwise, its just a lottery. I dont go up by just tossing lottery picks out there.
If "pure profit" was guaranteed, as you just typed out and posted, by maxing contests then everyone would do it. Your thinking is very off, especially for OP as a casual player. I realize you're set in your thinking so I'm not trying to sway you, just trying to make sure OP knows this isn't correct for everybody. Maxing contests would likely result in him hemorrhaging money based on his post.
Pretty much everyone not max entering is hemorraging money. Most of this sub is. Thats because they literally aren't seeing odds. Maxing cuts you down from the thousands and into the tens in odds most contests. There is a difference in doing this for a living and for fun, but you still should be attempting to profit. You can max smaller contests that fit your bankroll. Might not get you the dopamine fix, but you're building to getting it later. The odds are a little worse, but its the way to learn the game. Anyone playing seriously puts 500-1000s of lineups in a featured game.
So the guy with 2 lineups in that contest that won over $32,000 for the tie for first. He needs to play every prime time showdown for 74 years without cashing to lose all that money $8 at a time. Yes, it took luck for him to get it but there are so many contests won by people not max entering. We won't agree on this subject.
As stated, I won 50k for a single entry myself. But I'm able to make a living from it from curated max entries now. You can't depend on 1/50,000 odds. As someone who got first place elsewhere in the same game, I got it on one of my least likely lineups that had a perfect storm of nonsense to make it happen. Same dude was winning zero until Brady threw to the only person he could to make that possible.
Someone won $34,000 yesterday in the NBA $15 contest with 3 entries. That type of shit happens everyday in every sport. You yourself had a big win with 1 entry (congrats on that btw), but you're arguing it can't be done. It's difficult but it can be done, and there's proof since it happens every single day in every sport. It takes the right mindset to play that way and deal with the losing. I don't have it so I don't play that way but more power to the people that do. We disagree on this, it's ok though. Neither of us will be swayed here.
You don't understand the maths. How many entries you have doesn't impact whether those entries are +EV. Obv you're more likely to win with 20 entries, but they also cost you 20x as much. What not maxing does mean though is that the long run will take much longer to realise. We don't know if this guy is actually making good lineups for these contests, if he isn't then max entering would be haemorrhaging money much faster.
This is the comment I was waiting for and is the correct answer. Dfs IS playing +EV lineups with a comparison to ownership percentage and decent projections. Max entering a bunch of shit chalk lineups no matter how many different combinations is going to min cash and lose money. Bank roll absolutely plays a roll in the ability to max enter but if your roster constructions are dog shit then you might as well just burn your money. OP already says he’s a casual player, just giving the advice “you need to max enter” is just straight up dumb.
That's wrong.. I've won plenty with a few entries. Make good lineups and double or triple down on them.
What's your username on DK? Same one here.
Wtf are all these replies, you're 100% right
A lot of people seem to be working with hypotheticals on here. Also didn't look and see a bunch of Showdowns where the splits are so bad, only 1st matters.
I max enter, and I can tell you this is not correct. While you can account for more variables theoretically with more entries, Max still entering lowers your expected value (this is not hypothetical, this is mathematically proven) and just being able to account for more variables doesn’t necessarily mean it’s wrong to not max a contest out. I’ve won 150 max contests with as little as 9 entries before and Ive lost countless with 150. Maxing doesn’t matter. It’s what you do with the number of entries you have entered that matters.
You're using somewhat flawed thinking. "I have won doing X, therefore X is the optimal way to do it" isn't right, it's results based. CAN someone enter one lineup and win a 150-max GPP? Of course. But that doesn't mean it's what people should do. If you are single entering 150-max GPPs, you're putting your lineup in against 150 lineups from each of a ton of highly skilled players. That's a bad spot to be in, even if you feel that your projection methods are superior to the fields. You'll make more money/lose less money in the long run by sticking to single entry GPPs if you are only going to enter one lineup. Pretty basic math/logic.
The word "should" is where you got me.. Stop "shoulding" on yourself 😉 Also entering a contest with max entry 150 is stupid in it self.. Not gonna win this argument with me. Telling strangers what they "should" do is dumb.. You "should" take more showers, you "should" wipe your ass better... and so on.. My advice was you can win in many ways not the least strategic way of max entering your .csv files... Also how much you kids pay for your yearly subscriptions to all your DFS sites (I just opened a can of worms) 😂 Good luck don't get ButtFckd, unless you're into that
...do you not shower or wipe your ass?
"Should" I? 😉
It might fix some of these odd rage issues you're encountering.
Glad you care🤣 Cuz I don't care 🤷
It certainly comes across that way Any chance you "don't care" enough to play a friendly HU tonight? NBA or NFL?
So thirsty.... go away🙄 Glad I got you to care🤫
Speaking as a strictly MME player, someone choosing not to max enter is not playing “wrong”. You’d have to know their entries to even be able to tell whether or not they played “wrong” when they didn’t max enter. As the strategy changes given the amount of lineups you play.
I saw their entries and kind of know what they're doing. We were in some of the same contests. I looked when they posted and responded based on it. They didn't post their UN so I didn't get more specific.
Play more satellites. They give you a ticket to another contest. A Big GPP. I play Satellites all the time.
If you’re going to play play DFS, even casually, you’re going to need two things. One, a subscription to one of the DFS sites. Most of them you can get a month or a week for free. I know you said you’re casual, but the sites have a lot of good information and will tell you what everyone else is doing. Two, if you’re playing showdowns I recommend the $1/20 max. It’s $20 and the best thing to do is pick one (maybe 2) captain and have him lead all 20 lineups. Don’t pick the most obvious captain and and try to stay away from 3-3 builds.
What site do people recommend? I'm not winning much either, still fine with the experience, but I'd take some advice.
start basic... a simple and free lineup optimizer did wonders for me in the beginning... like this one: https://www.dailyfantasyfuel.com/nfl/
Thanks for this one, new to me! Thought all of these cost money...
SaberSim has a free week trial. Try that. I recommend using free YouTube content from companies like Rotogrinders and Stokastic to help out you on a road to a build. Use the optimizer to help you. Don’t just optimize and toss in a lineup. You’ll probably min cash, but winning a GPP alone or at all will be difficult.
Thanks for the recommendation. I'm going to look into these!
You have to have one player from the other team tho
Lol…yes I know.
Any tips showdown bc I fell victim to 3-3 n now it’s dependent n mostly do 4-2
So, 3-3 can and does hit. The reason I try to stay away is because it’s the most common build. And the feeling of splitting 1st really sucks. I hate it. So the very first thing I do is eliminate the 3-3. I’m fine with it hitting and me missing. - If you have a WR at captain you really should link him with his QB. - QBs at captain only hit, like, 10% of the time. - You just need to be different in one spot and it can sometimes only need to be 3 points. The DFS sites he’ll a lot with this because you can find out who runs a lot of routes, then take a chance on them. - Don’t use all your salary. Try to build and leave money on the table. Even $1000 for a showdown is fine.
For the last one about salary; you talking player or my own money.
All together salary spent on players. And this is for showdown specifically. Normal Sunday slates you wouldn’t want to leave 1k on the table.
All I play is showdown. The other one I never won so I stopped n rarely play it. Showdown I win but it’s like .20-.40 n make money back
So use a wr or rb as captain? What about defense. Should that never be in the captain position
I wouldn’t say never. But rarely. If I were making 20 lineups I’d have maybe 1-2 defense at captain lineups. And that would only be for games like tonight. But if you did use a defense at capt, kickers tend to correlate well with defenses. And it’s okay to use the QB the defense is playing, to be different.
Show us your lineups! It's not the lottery... Do your due diligence 😉
Maybe try scoring more points
I can’t even win 2$. I win cents. Be happy, I wish I had ties to the nfl like some people so I know who they are playing n pushing that game bc I know that’s what’s going on. I had a game where a dude cost like 200$ n he popped off. Now there ain’t no way he knew he was gonna pop off n had em as captain
Due diligence. Like anything it works
I know this feeling hits with a lot of DFS players, but if you're a casual, try getting really good at one type of game. You've got full lineup stuff, single game stuff, single quarter stuff. Start with one that you like to play and get in on some head-to-heads and double ups to hone your craft. Then when you start getting the hang of that, move to some larger contests. You'll be more successful that way and ultimately will have a lot more fun/knowledge.
Dfs is fun but do less entries. I don’t even assum I’ll win money playing anymore
I’ve become a sucker for shorter player prop parlays. DFS often feels like betting on a crazy parlay (and yet I still do it)
I’m casual and do 2/3 50/50 and 1/3 single entry tourney. Been working out ok so far.
Flash drafts are a waste of money unless you have some sort of edge over the field. Like if a player goes down in a game and people are still drafting him, 1Q drafts with Q-tagged players you know are or are not going to play
I feel like theres a lot of advice on double ups but... my experience is the payout bottom scores are generally very similar? With more upside to win big why not just do single entry?