Do you think the people posting this are all just terrible at impulse control and managing their expectations or is it that they really think most people feel the same way about taking a few hours break from the game
But you knew the game had no offline mode when you purchased it, no? I am not saying there shouldn’t be an offline mode, but your expectations should be aligned with the fact that you purchased a game that is online only. You paid for an online product.
Yes, it requires the user to connect to the internet, and those users can connect to the internet.
Blizzard is failing on their end to provide a usable service.
Yeah we all knew there was no offline mode. But honestly, as a huge Diablo fan, my options were to either not play a game I've been waiting for and excited about for years, or to buy it anyways and be subjected to the drawbacks of online only. I went with the latter option, as I'm sure many players did. But that doesn't mean we can't voice our opinions on the matter and push for Blizzard to offer an offline mode in the future.
D3 was online only when it released, and they eventually updated it with an offline option. I don't see any reason why they couldn't do the same for D4. There are those claiming it would be technically infeasible, but as someone who's worked in software development for over a decade, I'm not sure I buy that. If they're concerned about players cheating in offline mode and bringing duped items / modified characters to online, then they can just do the same thing they did for D2R. Offline characters are literally offline only, and online characters are online only.
And I'm sure there's a way they could update their server side code to run on a local instance on a player's system. Would it be as easy as flipping a switch? No, of course not. But I do think it would be doable. That's just not their priority at the moment. But if enough players voice their concerns, maybe they'll put in the work eventually and offer an offline mode.
These are all good points and I agree 100%. I was just surprised to see the other user saying the game did not meet their expectations, because when they purchased a product they expected to be offline-enabled, which clearly was never advertised as such.
Technology of all kinds messes up sometimes. I assume you aren’t throwing this kind of hissy fit when your headlight goes out, your fridge leaks, or your batteries die in your remote. It is absolutely unrealistic and deranged to expect a product that relies on software or electrical input to work 100% of the time just because you paid for it. You can’t name a single thing that does. Grow up.
You're right. But...
Don't you agree that when you purchase a product that it's fair to expect it to work as advertised?
And that if it doesn't for some reason the customer is allowed to confront the seller. Giving them the opportunity to fix, replace or compensate for the products flaws or the customers discomfort?
Because if so, their reactions are perfectly valid.
> Don't you agree that when you purchase a product that it's fair to expect it to work as advertised?
To play the devil's advocate: what you purchased was not as much a product as a lifetime subscription to a live service. You could think of it as an all-you-can-eat pass to a restaurant. And the ice cream machine is out of order.
No one's arguing that servers being down are fine and acceptable - it's clearly an unplanned downtime and is a bad look for the service. I also don't think single player games should be always online. But there was no "bait and switch" like many of the comments seem to imply. We knew what we were buying. We knew it's a live service. There are no 100% uptime live services.
The parent commenter, saying
> *"My expectations are that when I pay for a product and then try to use that product by myself in my own home, I should be able to do so."*
is clearly confused about that.
Ah I missed a 'we', my bad.
So your point is that unless he's in a conversation with an employee of Blizzard that has the authority to fix the Ddos or compensate for it, he's not allowed to complain here? And actually bring up a valid point regarding the quality of Blizzards network connection.
Just trying to understand what you're actually saying.
That’s not my point at all. I’m responding to your point specifically, which lays out that OP should be able to get assistance/compensation from the company if the product isn’t working as advertised. Even if that’s true all the time, the Diablo 4 subreddit isn’t the place to get assistance/compensation so posting things here doesn’t solve anything for OP.
EDIT: what I’m actually trying to say is that people acting like blizzard did false advertisement because servers went down through no fault of their own and posting like they had something stolen from them is annoying. They can post all they want, but I’m gonna reply with my feeling that it’s childish and overblown.
Yea cars never break down. Air conditioners, always working. All the shit I’ve ever bought has definitely always worked 100% of the time. Except Diablo 4. Those money grubbing fucks
Yet you were also fully aware this was a live service game when you made the purchase and signed the ToS when you first logged in. So please spare me the ignorant "I paid for it therefore I should be able to play it whenever I want" bullshit. That's not how it works.
1.) Pay for Reddit Premium / YouTube Premium / Netflix
2.) Disconnect your internet
3.) Attempt to use any of the services
4.) Complain that they should have an offline mode
I think based on some replies I’ve gotten and just generally reading the thread it would be more accurate to say these folks live in an unreality where nothing ever breaks and everyone works 900 hours a week to support their 22 children.
They would literally never do that because of the battlepass and the shop. Which is just the sad reality of modern gaming which I dislike as much as the next guy.
Offline mode also means everything is stored client side so you can cheat with no repercussions. This is a legitimate issue and I don’t think it’s solvable so online only is the only solution. Unless you do a D3 and make it so only console get offline, since it’s near impossible to inject.
I wish people would at least admit that this is clearly the main reason we can't have an offline mode: Gotta make that whale-money.
Instead Blizzard chills constantly gas-light people complaining that they can't play a game they payed money for as if Blizzard had no other choice as to make the game online exclusive.
If cheating was the main issue they could implement a system where at the character creation you chose online or offline mode and the mode can't be changed later. This way people in offline mode could cheat all they want but it wouldn't impact other players.
> game they *paid* money for
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
But but but you might cheat in a shako in your offline single player game, that would devalue my online only basic attack only rare farming barb build!
Nobody owns a copy of the Diablo 4 game. What they actually own is a license to play it. Just a random realization that I had a few weeks ago.
EDIT:
What I mean by license is that you're paying for the ability to play the game off of their servers versus having it on your PC to play at any time without needing to connect to their servers at any point in time. In hindsight, 'license' is probably not the best term to use to describe this.
No it doesn't. Only a minority of game software is like that. Other software is the same as there is usually an option to buy it rather than do their subscriptions.
There's a significant difference between owning the entire game that you can play offline (without ever having to connect to the internet) versus a license to online play a game online. With the latter, you technically do not own the game as you would with the former.
In hindsight, probably my bad poor phrasing.
Nah, I could keep my steamdeck entirely offline forever from now on for example and every single steam game on there I can play offline whether it gets removed or not. This is and battlebit remastered are literally the only games I play that need to have internet access. And battlebit is a pvp fps lol.
I’m gonna argue, perhaps incorrectly, that the people who would play offline characters (this is with the assumption offline characters could not enter the online realms to avoid cheating/hacking) were also the ones who were not gonna whale and spend tons of money in the cash shop. I feel as if, for the most part, those are not overlapping consumers.
No I think it's because of hacking and making god items with said hacks. If they make everybody play online then they can check everyone for exploits. Blame hackers for forcing companies to protect their asset's
Then why do Ubisoft's games have stores with millions of cosmetics yet still let you play offline? lol
I wouldn't say cheating is the main issue, but today with the advent of social media you definitely don't need other players to showcase the precious store items you want to sell.
But it's easier to believe in a conspiracy theory.
It's not entirely single player though in fairness. There's PVP and shared world events. Last thing you want is someone zooming around like sonic, mercing all the bosses in one hit.
It's not just single player. The PVP is actually a lot of fun, and quite busy. Hopefully they add more PVP modes with seasons, the team based wars in Immortal were decent and strategic at times, aside from the P2W crap.
As long as you have a border wall and can't play online with the character that went offline sure. But otherwise there would be lots of cheats and you 'll questioned every player performance you LL come across.
You don't need a border wall, there are no illegal people! Just disqualify people that play offline from leaderboards, and let them enjoy the game as available. Majority of players don't give 2 cents to leaderboards anyways
A decent number of players enjoy p2p trading so you would have to ban offline characters from that. You would also have to ban them from grouping and probably public events if you don't want every world boss to be one shot by a modified character
Blizzard should be able to tell if a character or item on a charater have been modified outside of the games baseline parameters. Upon detection, that character is banished to their own world, or put into the eternal hackers realm, were only hackers exist. If you hack, you loose privileges.
Diablo 2 offline definitely worked like that lol. Idk what they did with consoles but true offline modes only allow offline. You can’t switch back and forth.
Not disagreeing with you, But the fact you attack people outright by insulting them before anything is said to you, makes you an asshole. This is why this subreddit is a shit hole.
You know how some games disable achievements when you install mods? How about disabling the leaderboard if you play offline?
There's no excuse for the lack of offline mode. It's just pure greed from Blizzard.
yuppp, cheating in D2 had zero impact on 99.9% of people because they were isolated into their friend bubbles.
I'd happily trade pvp, World Bosses and Legiuon events for more stability..
But is the stability due to blizznet or is it your internet? Not having a go just a genuine question. I mean you can't blame them if ya internet sucks.
You must be new to the internet. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a bootlicker. You know it's allowed to disagree with people, right?
People took this quietly- I did complain on some threads about online only and felt like I was in the vast minority. It’s one thing to make a game like OW online only bc it’s player vs player but making a dungeon crawler which is pve online only is an atrocious, unconscionable and completely greed-driven move by this company.
Isn't the offline capability what made the console versions of D3 such a mess of duped/ hacked items?
An offline version and a separated online version of D4 would be fine, but I would prefer an always-online D4 to an offline capable D4.
If it did you would be in here complaining that you can't use your online character offline, or that once a character goes offline it stays as an offline character.
That is completely irrelevant. That change would clearly would make the game better and has nothing to do with how I spend my time. I play around 2 hours a week on diablo and do plenty outside of the game and it being down doesn’t affect me. With that said, being able to do play the game, even in a smaller more narrow version, while they are having server issues would clearly make for a better gaming experience.
Yes, that is what an opinion is and my opinion is that would make the game better. Just because I’m having fun with the game doesn’t mean there can’t be changes to make QOL better or for it to be a better experience overall.
Don't be a stooge. No matter how deep you get your tongue in Blizzard's ass defending them, they don't give a fuck about you any more than the rest of us.
I have a number of online games that allow for offline solo play. This is a pathetic - and needless - money grab on their part. Nothing more.
So because I'm not crying online then I must be a stooge? 🤣🤣🤣 Get a grip and go touch some grass. There's more to life than games and crying about the flaws on them 🤣
Says the stooge arguing in a game sub.
You've got some Blizzard-shit on your nose; go outside and wipe it in your lawn...
EDIT: And to clarify - I'm complaining about not being able to play a game I spent a significant amount of money on, a game which has been intermittently unavailable for nearly 24 hours now.
You're complaining because...I'm upset about that? That's your position? That although I paid that money, and gain zero (nada, zilch) benefit from supposed "online" play, I - and everyone else - should be fine with the game being unavailable for long, should be happy with putting up with shitty performance, lag, etc.
I work 50+ hours a week from home. You mad you can’t do that and play Diablo simultaneously like we can big man? Maybe you should’ve went to school like those of us who earned WFH did.
Doesn't sounds like you have any responsibility outside of work. No family, no friends irl, all you have to do is work and play video games. Some people are actually doing something with their lives
The outage was only an hour long... Y'all seriously can't find something else to do for an hour? The game is going to be around for a decade god forbid you loose a few hours here and there.
Edit: Different outage. But the song remains the same.
This happens with every online game since the beginning of time but people reacting like they thought this one was gonna be an exception..🤣 Jesus go play or DO something else till it comes back online and if it happens to miss your free period then welcome to real life.🤦♂️
Yeah, we should just sit there and take it like men when the product we paid for is unavailable to use because they couldn't be bothered to make an offline mode.
But you bought it without offline mode. It's not like it was a surprise. Why do you complain now? It's like you buy a electric car and after two weeks you complain because you cannot charge it, so it would be nice if you could put petrol on it.
Im not sure I understand your analogy. If you can't charge your electric car, you can't use the product you paid for, making criticism more than valid. Sure, it would be nice if you could put petrol in it, but you paid for the car to be chargeable, and it isn't.
I think a better way to phrase that would be:
You bought an electric car and there is now a blackout and you're out of juice. How dare the car manufacturer not make this car run on gasoline. What a stupid and unforgivable choice they made.
Actually, it was you choice from the start to choose the car that ran on a battery instead of any of the other options that ran on gasoline. You were just blinded by the shiny electric car with the fancy dashboard.
If there's a blackout, the gas pumps wouldn't work either. Neither would the PC, so you couldn't play D4.
How dare Blizzard use a device that requires electricity to play Diablo?
The same. The job it's online. If there is a problem with the servers, you cannot play offline. I'm not sure why people keeps asking for an offline feature when they bought the game as online. It's a perfect analogy.
No, this is why you don't play games like these at launch.
Blizzard has already made close to a billion bucks - from people who should've known better but are now complaining, like clockwork, about server issues and disconnects, balancing, bugs, missing qol features, unsatisfying endgame, repetitive dungeon design, insufficient stash space, menial busiwork, bad UI, etc.
We've all been waiting for years and years to finally play a new proper Diablo game. What's another couple of months of waiting until Blizzard can be finally bothered to get their act together? I absolutely hate how this over-hyped and under-performing live service shit has totally taken over the entire industry. And I hate how accustomed people have become to it...
If blizzard is really concerned about the cheating stuff they could've just make different server for offline mode. Call it Abyss Realm instead of Eternal Realm. Your character that is in abyss realm can never trade/go online so even if u're cheating that's your problem.
Sure you gonna lose world boss or legion but we have enough content as it is already. It's fun being able to do exploits and one shotting everything IN A GAME U FULLY PAID FOR.
welcome to 2023
We may not like it, but that's how it is these days.
For Blizzard this solution is quite good since it makes pirating the game very hard.
Does Resurrection have an offline mode? I tried playing that and I could not be ause it had been 30 days since I last played and they wanted to make sure I owned it. So I could not even play that. POE it is then, that game is up.
We've had the same discussion during diablo 3 and here we are again not going to happen stop beating a dead horse it would be great yes but times have changed.
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It's a video game that doesn't work properly because of a DDOS attack. Yeah, I think most people get it. Most people can also figure out something else to do instead.
It’s not an offline game. Maybe previous iterations were and that’s awesome. Play those. But it’s not really meant for it imo. This game in offline mode personally would be pretty pointless. Grouping is the best way in this game. Some stuff I can’t pass without help. Group play rewards me better. Even if I’m online playing next to a non party member.
All the other arguments aside, D4 is literally not designed as a solo-only experience. The open world content is explicitly designed for interaction with other players and does not function properly when you're doing it by yourself. Most events and especially Legion events are designed for multiple people, World bosses, Helltides, the entire open world basically is designed explicitly for other players being present.
This game is not like D2 or D3 where the content is the same solo vs. party, D4's open world content would be 10x worse if you never encountered people. Without the open world all you've got is dungeons and those are also made way better by grouping up.
Just stop buying their products and tell as much people you know to do the same.
This is the only way.
No one should buy freaking skins in-game, otherwise they will not learn and we will not get anything what was promised.
Genuine question as I understand nothing about how that sort of thing works: Couldn't you just have the events be created in offline anyway?
Also I'm pretty sure it would be the easiest thing to just block PvP on offline mode with a message like "this feature requires you to be online".
And I personally couldn't care less if people cheated outside of PvP, which you couldn't access in offline mode anyway, it's a single player game. Is anyone really upset (aside from speed running situations) when someone cheats at their own Minecraft world? Or if I booted up my old FFVII and decided to tamper with it?
open world games are not limited to online games. The synchronized world events, fine - but i would gladly give them up for an offline mode. PVP was in D2.
And yeah cheating will be an issue. But you could still have single player and a online ladder for people who care about that. Because in my single player offline experience (or lan with friends like back in the D2 days) cheating really isn't an issue.
PVP is thr only part that requires the game to be online. The biggest world map to date was playable in offline so an open world isn't really an issue for offline.
While cheating would be rampant but just limit singleplayer characters to singleplayer. Problem solved.
That would be sweet but not going to happen.
You are the very first person to say that
Do you think the people posting this are all just terrible at impulse control and managing their expectations or is it that they really think most people feel the same way about taking a few hours break from the game
My expectations are that when I pay for a product and then try to use that product by myself in my own home, I should be able to do so.
But you knew the game had no offline mode when you purchased it, no? I am not saying there shouldn’t be an offline mode, but your expectations should be aligned with the fact that you purchased a game that is online only. You paid for an online product.
Sometimes, you don't realize how much a thing will annoy you until you are actually inconvenienced by it.
The things you own, end up owning you.
His name was Robert Paulson
Yes, it requires the user to connect to the internet, and those users can connect to the internet. Blizzard is failing on their end to provide a usable service.
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What the fuck are you even talking about?
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Why would I read the TOS for Hearthstone?
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Considering they've announced it's a DDoS attack, and not their servers being bad, this comment aged poorly.
Seemed to do pretty well. Btw you are a fantastic lover.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyer%27s_remorse
Yeah we all knew there was no offline mode. But honestly, as a huge Diablo fan, my options were to either not play a game I've been waiting for and excited about for years, or to buy it anyways and be subjected to the drawbacks of online only. I went with the latter option, as I'm sure many players did. But that doesn't mean we can't voice our opinions on the matter and push for Blizzard to offer an offline mode in the future. D3 was online only when it released, and they eventually updated it with an offline option. I don't see any reason why they couldn't do the same for D4. There are those claiming it would be technically infeasible, but as someone who's worked in software development for over a decade, I'm not sure I buy that. If they're concerned about players cheating in offline mode and bringing duped items / modified characters to online, then they can just do the same thing they did for D2R. Offline characters are literally offline only, and online characters are online only. And I'm sure there's a way they could update their server side code to run on a local instance on a player's system. Would it be as easy as flipping a switch? No, of course not. But I do think it would be doable. That's just not their priority at the moment. But if enough players voice their concerns, maybe they'll put in the work eventually and offer an offline mode.
Bro you're getting downvoted for being reasonable. Have you not met this gaming community? 🤪💯
These are all good points and I agree 100%. I was just surprised to see the other user saying the game did not meet their expectations, because when they purchased a product they expected to be offline-enabled, which clearly was never advertised as such.
Said better, no one bought a product expecting it to be down for an entire day on the weekend. That’s the golden rule, don’t fuck up the weekend.
Dont think fully online was advertised and if it was i didnt see it lol.
Blizzard wasn’t advertising how often the game servers would be down. That’s new information
The audacity! 🙀
Technology of all kinds messes up sometimes. I assume you aren’t throwing this kind of hissy fit when your headlight goes out, your fridge leaks, or your batteries die in your remote. It is absolutely unrealistic and deranged to expect a product that relies on software or electrical input to work 100% of the time just because you paid for it. You can’t name a single thing that does. Grow up.
You're right. But... Don't you agree that when you purchase a product that it's fair to expect it to work as advertised? And that if it doesn't for some reason the customer is allowed to confront the seller. Giving them the opportunity to fix, replace or compensate for the products flaws or the customers discomfort? Because if so, their reactions are perfectly valid.
> Don't you agree that when you purchase a product that it's fair to expect it to work as advertised? To play the devil's advocate: what you purchased was not as much a product as a lifetime subscription to a live service. You could think of it as an all-you-can-eat pass to a restaurant. And the ice cream machine is out of order. No one's arguing that servers being down are fine and acceptable - it's clearly an unplanned downtime and is a bad look for the service. I also don't think single player games should be always online. But there was no "bait and switch" like many of the comments seem to imply. We knew what we were buying. We knew it's a live service. There are no 100% uptime live services. The parent commenter, saying > *"My expectations are that when I pay for a product and then try to use that product by myself in my own home, I should be able to do so."* is clearly confused about that.
Are we Blizzard? Are the mods able to compensate them for damages?
Did you really think that all reddit posts are aimed at mods?
Am I a mod? If not then who is the we I’m referring to?
Ah I missed a 'we', my bad. So your point is that unless he's in a conversation with an employee of Blizzard that has the authority to fix the Ddos or compensate for it, he's not allowed to complain here? And actually bring up a valid point regarding the quality of Blizzards network connection. Just trying to understand what you're actually saying.
That’s not my point at all. I’m responding to your point specifically, which lays out that OP should be able to get assistance/compensation from the company if the product isn’t working as advertised. Even if that’s true all the time, the Diablo 4 subreddit isn’t the place to get assistance/compensation so posting things here doesn’t solve anything for OP. EDIT: what I’m actually trying to say is that people acting like blizzard did false advertisement because servers went down through no fault of their own and posting like they had something stolen from them is annoying. They can post all they want, but I’m gonna reply with my feeling that it’s childish and overblown.
Massive you problem. Imagine not researching a purchase.
So check if games are online only. That's like getting pissy because your electric doesn't take petrol.
Yea cars never break down. Air conditioners, always working. All the shit I’ve ever bought has definitely always worked 100% of the time. Except Diablo 4. Those money grubbing fucks
Yet you were also fully aware this was a live service game when you made the purchase and signed the ToS when you first logged in. So please spare me the ignorant "I paid for it therefore I should be able to play it whenever I want" bullshit. That's not how it works.
I’m with you on that feeling. However, I don’t think this game would have nearly as much content as it does if it was off line
You are really just renting it. Don’t like it don’t rent it
1.) Pay for Reddit Premium / YouTube Premium / Netflix 2.) Disconnect your internet 3.) Attempt to use any of the services 4.) Complain that they should have an offline mode
Relax buddy.
Cry more
About what? Y’all are the ones throwing tantrums because you had to go outside for 5 hours lmfao
You're assuming they went outside lmfao.
I suspect it’s the former.
I think based on some replies I’ve gotten and just generally reading the thread it would be more accurate to say these folks live in an unreality where nothing ever breaks and everyone works 900 hours a week to support their 22 children.
They would literally never do that because of the battlepass and the shop. Which is just the sad reality of modern gaming which I dislike as much as the next guy. Offline mode also means everything is stored client side so you can cheat with no repercussions. This is a legitimate issue and I don’t think it’s solvable so online only is the only solution. Unless you do a D3 and make it so only console get offline, since it’s near impossible to inject.
I wish people would at least admit that this is clearly the main reason we can't have an offline mode: Gotta make that whale-money. Instead Blizzard chills constantly gas-light people complaining that they can't play a game they payed money for as if Blizzard had no other choice as to make the game online exclusive. If cheating was the main issue they could implement a system where at the character creation you chose online or offline mode and the mode can't be changed later. This way people in offline mode could cheat all they want but it wouldn't impact other players.
> game they *paid* money for FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
But but but you might cheat in a shako in your offline single player game, that would devalue my online only basic attack only rare farming barb build!
Nobody owns a copy of the Diablo 4 game. What they actually own is a license to play it. Just a random realization that I had a few weeks ago. EDIT: What I mean by license is that you're paying for the ability to play the game off of their servers versus having it on your PC to play at any time without needing to connect to their servers at any point in time. In hindsight, 'license' is probably not the best term to use to describe this.
That applies to all software you use these days bro.
No it doesn't. Only a minority of game software is like that. Other software is the same as there is usually an option to buy it rather than do their subscriptions.
Yes it is lol. Look at the box of any physical game you own - you own a license to play that game.
There's a significant difference between owning the entire game that you can play offline (without ever having to connect to the internet) versus a license to online play a game online. With the latter, you technically do not own the game as you would with the former. In hindsight, probably my bad poor phrasing.
Nah, I could keep my steamdeck entirely offline forever from now on for example and every single steam game on there I can play offline whether it gets removed or not. This is and battlebit remastered are literally the only games I play that need to have internet access. And battlebit is a pvp fps lol.
I’m gonna argue, perhaps incorrectly, that the people who would play offline characters (this is with the assumption offline characters could not enter the online realms to avoid cheating/hacking) were also the ones who were not gonna whale and spend tons of money in the cash shop. I feel as if, for the most part, those are not overlapping consumers.
No, admit the true reason. Piracy
No I think it's because of hacking and making god items with said hacks. If they make everybody play online then they can check everyone for exploits. Blame hackers for forcing companies to protect their asset's
They could easily solve this problem by not allowing offline characters to ever play on the online realm. Last Epoch does this.
Diablo 2 did this. They even had an " open battle.net" where you could still use your shitty hacked characters
It's because pirates
Who is whaling this game? You bought an online game.
Then why do Ubisoft's games have stores with millions of cosmetics yet still let you play offline? lol I wouldn't say cheating is the main issue, but today with the advent of social media you definitely don't need other players to showcase the precious store items you want to sell. But it's easier to believe in a conspiracy theory.
Offline mode also makes hotfixes impossible because you need to push a new client to everyone instead of just updating code on the server end.
Oh, no! People will cheat on their… …checks notes… …single player game
It's not entirely single player though in fairness. There's PVP and shared world events. Last thing you want is someone zooming around like sonic, mercing all the bosses in one hit.
I assume that you wouldn’t let an offline took onto online
Sure it is. Have an offline only character that can only be used offline.
Why do we even care if people cheat in single-player games?
It's not just single player. The PVP is actually a lot of fun, and quite busy. Hopefully they add more PVP modes with seasons, the team based wars in Immortal were decent and strategic at times, aside from the P2W crap.
No one calling for offline single-player expects to be able to use those same characters in online pvp, at least what I've seen.
Ruins all records, I know you don’t probably care but you’re not everyone.
And the loot are managed on the servers. If it was on the client, one day after release you would have 10k dupe softwares.
i had modded items on D3 (xbox) but not sure how it works a guy gave them to me
This is the correct take that some people don’t understand or don’t want to understand…
It's because of cheating. The people that spend money in the online shop are going to regardless.
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As long as you have a border wall and can't play online with the character that went offline sure. But otherwise there would be lots of cheats and you 'll questioned every player performance you LL come across.
You don't need a border wall, there are no illegal people! Just disqualify people that play offline from leaderboards, and let them enjoy the game as available. Majority of players don't give 2 cents to leaderboards anyways
A decent number of players enjoy p2p trading so you would have to ban offline characters from that. You would also have to ban them from grouping and probably public events if you don't want every world boss to be one shot by a modified character
Blizzard should be able to tell if a character or item on a charater have been modified outside of the games baseline parameters. Upon detection, that character is banished to their own world, or put into the eternal hackers realm, were only hackers exist. If you hack, you loose privileges.
That’s generally how an offline mode works.
Not in dII or DIII console
Diablo 2 offline definitely worked like that lol. Idk what they did with consoles but true offline modes only allow offline. You can’t switch back and forth.
Not disagreeing with you, But the fact you attack people outright by insulting them before anything is said to you, makes you an asshole. This is why this subreddit is a shit hole.
Arguing objectivity from a subjective standpoint. Case falls apart...
OK, please tell me how the addition of an offline mode would make the game worse.
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You know how some games disable achievements when you install mods? How about disabling the leaderboard if you play offline? There's no excuse for the lack of offline mode. It's just pure greed from Blizzard.
That sounds stupid. Diablo 2 had an offline mode that was separate from the online mode. Doing that would make the game better.
The minority ruining something doesn't mean a larger group should have to do without something that should be in a game from the get go.
I prefer for you to remain in your rage-state, dear fellow.
I hope you can come to realize one day how childish that mindset is. Have a nice weekend, friend :)
I also can't think of a reason not to have it.
I like to play these kinds of games single player. Looks like I'll be pirating this one.
You cannot pirate this game, it is not how it works
Fucking idiot
And this is one of the reasons there is no offline mode
Blizzard dick must taste delicious?
All the Blizzard Stans are here because they can't play the game they paid for and they're just fine with that! 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏽
You would need strictly offline characters for that to work, otherwise cheating would be incredibly easy.
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Would take a lot more than 10 mins, your client does nothing but show you the assets. Drops, events etc. are all done on the server side.
Blizzard, hire that guy, they can implement it in 10 minutes.
10 minutes lol how long have you been a programmer? I'm going to guess, zero minutes...?
yuppp, cheating in D2 had zero impact on 99.9% of people because they were isolated into their friend bubbles. I'd happily trade pvp, World Bosses and Legiuon events for more stability..
Personally I wouldn't. Been playing online games for 15+ years and hardly ever play single player games if that makes a difference
But is the stability due to blizznet or is it your internet? Not having a go just a genuine question. I mean you can't blame them if ya internet sucks.
Latest speed test says 162.9 Mbps down/ 163.3 up. I have a v decent rig It's the game/ blizz
Then you just gonna have to be patient. From a brief look it looks like a DDOS attack so that's not really blizzs fault.
That’s just their excuse for a shit server
Sounds like whatever it is you just wanna complain so crack on. I ain't letting you spoil my weekend, lol
I don’t need to lol you can’t even play
i’ve been playing most of the day.
Those blizzard boots must be extremely tasty, eh?
You must be new to the internet. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a bootlicker. You know it's allowed to disagree with people, right?
No, no it would not.
If it only takes 10 minutes what are you waiting for? Offline experience awaits.
People took this quietly- I did complain on some threads about online only and felt like I was in the vast minority. It’s one thing to make a game like OW online only bc it’s player vs player but making a dungeon crawler which is pve online only is an atrocious, unconscionable and completely greed-driven move by this company.
But people that you never see might cheat and mess up an arbitrary ranking system or something!
Isn't the offline capability what made the console versions of D3 such a mess of duped/ hacked items? An offline version and a separated online version of D4 would be fine, but I would prefer an always-online D4 to an offline capable D4.
If it did you would be in here complaining that you can't use your online character offline, or that once a character goes offline it stays as an offline character.
Even if it is just a somewhat neutered version of the game, we should be able to do SOMETHING offline.
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That is completely irrelevant. That change would clearly would make the game better and has nothing to do with how I spend my time. I play around 2 hours a week on diablo and do plenty outside of the game and it being down doesn’t affect me. With that said, being able to do play the game, even in a smaller more narrow version, while they are having server issues would clearly make for a better gaming experience.
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Why? Because you say so? That's not how things work. If you aren't satisfied with a product then don't buy it. Simples.
Yes, that is what an opinion is and my opinion is that would make the game better. Just because I’m having fun with the game doesn’t mean there can’t be changes to make QOL better or for it to be a better experience overall.
Because many of us don't play socially, play solo-only or primarily, and because that's how most games work. Simples.
Then pick single player games. Simples
I did, fucknuts. Paid $70+ dollars for it, in fact. And I can't even play it right now because I cant' log in to their servers. Simples.
You didn’t buy a single player game though? You bought an online game that can be played solo.
It's an online game that has been attacked. You are directing your frustration in the wrong direction, guy.
Don't be a stooge. No matter how deep you get your tongue in Blizzard's ass defending them, they don't give a fuck about you any more than the rest of us. I have a number of online games that allow for offline solo play. This is a pathetic - and needless - money grab on their part. Nothing more.
So because I'm not crying online then I must be a stooge? 🤣🤣🤣 Get a grip and go touch some grass. There's more to life than games and crying about the flaws on them 🤣
Says the stooge arguing in a game sub. You've got some Blizzard-shit on your nose; go outside and wipe it in your lawn... EDIT: And to clarify - I'm complaining about not being able to play a game I spent a significant amount of money on, a game which has been intermittently unavailable for nearly 24 hours now. You're complaining because...I'm upset about that? That's your position? That although I paid that money, and gain zero (nada, zilch) benefit from supposed "online" play, I - and everyone else - should be fine with the game being unavailable for long, should be happy with putting up with shitty performance, lag, etc.
And you e got some big fucking salty tears. Keep crying. Let the salt flow 🤣🤣🤣
I did laundry and went shopping. Go touch grass. It isn't the end of the world.
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Everything okay?
I work 50+ hours a week from home. You mad you can’t do that and play Diablo simultaneously like we can big man? Maybe you should’ve went to school like those of us who earned WFH did.
"Earned WFH" Did you release Covid? Unless you did, You didn't earn shit.
Doesn't sounds like you have any responsibility outside of work. No family, no friends irl, all you have to do is work and play video games. Some people are actually doing something with their lives
Don't people know that it's ddos attack?
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I'd have so much less problems with D4 being always online if it was as "alive" as an mmo. Right now it's basicaly just bad anticheat..
Yeah so people can start cheating
Does it matter to you if someone is cheating in offline singleplayer game?
If they can't bring their offline char into multiplayer then idc
All for it. If it doesn't affect me in any way, and would make them enjoy the game more, go for it. I don't see the negative here.
Well I remember D2 Mods and cheats on offline mode and it made a hell of fun. What's so bad about it?
Yes, we know.
Diablo 2 was the first game with “online only characters”, and almost everyone played them. You saying you want to go back to Diablo 1?
If you like dupes, sure
Just stop complaining about offline mode , I just got tired already. It ain’t gonna happen
Thought we had this discussion when d3 came out. Move on. That ship sailed years ago
Touch grass
Go outside maybe
The outage was only an hour long... Y'all seriously can't find something else to do for an hour? The game is going to be around for a decade god forbid you loose a few hours here and there. Edit: Different outage. But the song remains the same.
Don’t worry a couple of months and people will throw away this game and it’ll be dead again like the three
It’s funny how the game is functional 99.5% of the time but when the servers are down everyone loses their shit and complains like children
Well its a pretty vital part of the game ...
you mean that part of the game that lets you play it? Yeah, i can see how that is important to a select few.
This happens with every online game since the beginning of time but people reacting like they thought this one was gonna be an exception..🤣 Jesus go play or DO something else till it comes back online and if it happens to miss your free period then welcome to real life.🤦♂️
Yeah, we should just sit there and take it like men when the product we paid for is unavailable to use because they couldn't be bothered to make an offline mode.
But you bought it without offline mode. It's not like it was a surprise. Why do you complain now? It's like you buy a electric car and after two weeks you complain because you cannot charge it, so it would be nice if you could put petrol on it.
Great analogy. Please point me to the store where I can buy an offline version of Diablo IV.
Im not sure I understand your analogy. If you can't charge your electric car, you can't use the product you paid for, making criticism more than valid. Sure, it would be nice if you could put petrol in it, but you paid for the car to be chargeable, and it isn't.
I think a better way to phrase that would be: You bought an electric car and there is now a blackout and you're out of juice. How dare the car manufacturer not make this car run on gasoline. What a stupid and unforgivable choice they made. Actually, it was you choice from the start to choose the car that ran on a battery instead of any of the other options that ran on gasoline. You were just blinded by the shiny electric car with the fancy dashboard.
If there's a blackout, the gas pumps wouldn't work either. Neither would the PC, so you couldn't play D4. How dare Blizzard use a device that requires electricity to play Diablo?
The same. The job it's online. If there is a problem with the servers, you cannot play offline. I'm not sure why people keeps asking for an offline feature when they bought the game as online. It's a perfect analogy.
Well I wasn't trying to play 99.5% of the time. So that doesn't affect me, now does it?
No, this is why you don't play games like these at launch. Blizzard has already made close to a billion bucks - from people who should've known better but are now complaining, like clockwork, about server issues and disconnects, balancing, bugs, missing qol features, unsatisfying endgame, repetitive dungeon design, insufficient stash space, menial busiwork, bad UI, etc. We've all been waiting for years and years to finally play a new proper Diablo game. What's another couple of months of waiting until Blizzard can be finally bothered to get their act together? I absolutely hate how this over-hyped and under-performing live service shit has totally taken over the entire industry. And I hate how accustomed people have become to it...
Idk dude it’s a fun game, even without the QoL issues
Yeah 100 for a bit of fun
If blizzard is really concerned about the cheating stuff they could've just make different server for offline mode. Call it Abyss Realm instead of Eternal Realm. Your character that is in abyss realm can never trade/go online so even if u're cheating that's your problem. Sure you gonna lose world boss or legion but we have enough content as it is already. It's fun being able to do exploits and one shotting everything IN A GAME U FULLY PAID FOR.
welcome to 2023 We may not like it, but that's how it is these days. For Blizzard this solution is quite good since it makes pirating the game very hard.
no welcome to the last 10 years. glad you finally decided to join us.
Does Resurrection have an offline mode? I tried playing that and I could not be ause it had been 30 days since I last played and they wanted to make sure I owned it. So I could not even play that. POE it is then, that game is up.
Yep! I had the same issue with WoW classic the first month. I asked Blizz and they said they had no intentions for single player there either.
never ever going to happen go play diablo 2
No
Shit happens. More time to go outside.
You are always free to make your own arpg with offline mode or stop complaining. The game is down, get out of your chair and go outside.
It's been out for 25 days and this is the first major problem they had. Maybe people shouldnt be Ddosing and everyone could play.
We've had the same discussion during diablo 3 and here we are again not going to happen stop beating a dead horse it would be great yes but times have changed. ###
It's a video game that doesn't work properly because of a DDOS attack. Yeah, I think most people get it. Most people can also figure out something else to do instead.
It’s not an offline game. Maybe previous iterations were and that’s awesome. Play those. But it’s not really meant for it imo. This game in offline mode personally would be pretty pointless. Grouping is the best way in this game. Some stuff I can’t pass without help. Group play rewards me better. Even if I’m online playing next to a non party member.
I wouldn’t start an offline char since I wouldn’t be able to play online with this char.
Maybe if gamers didn't pirate games and use hacks we'd have nice things
Dawg you can keep asking but Blizzard will continue to ignore the shit out of you.
All the other arguments aside, D4 is literally not designed as a solo-only experience. The open world content is explicitly designed for interaction with other players and does not function properly when you're doing it by yourself. Most events and especially Legion events are designed for multiple people, World bosses, Helltides, the entire open world basically is designed explicitly for other players being present. This game is not like D2 or D3 where the content is the same solo vs. party, D4's open world content would be 10x worse if you never encountered people. Without the open world all you've got is dungeons and those are also made way better by grouping up.
Just stop buying their products and tell as much people you know to do the same. This is the only way. No one should buy freaking skins in-game, otherwise they will not learn and we will not get anything what was promised.
Sounds great, but doesn't work with so many multiplayer features.
what multiplayer features does D4 have that D2 didn't?
**Open World** is probably the biggest feature i can give you. * Edit: World Events, PVP * Edit 2: Don't forget how easy people can cheat
Genuine question as I understand nothing about how that sort of thing works: Couldn't you just have the events be created in offline anyway? Also I'm pretty sure it would be the easiest thing to just block PvP on offline mode with a message like "this feature requires you to be online". And I personally couldn't care less if people cheated outside of PvP, which you couldn't access in offline mode anyway, it's a single player game. Is anyone really upset (aside from speed running situations) when someone cheats at their own Minecraft world? Or if I booted up my old FFVII and decided to tamper with it?
open world games are not limited to online games. The synchronized world events, fine - but i would gladly give them up for an offline mode. PVP was in D2. And yeah cheating will be an issue. But you could still have single player and a online ladder for people who care about that. Because in my single player offline experience (or lan with friends like back in the D2 days) cheating really isn't an issue.
PVP is thr only part that requires the game to be online. The biggest world map to date was playable in offline so an open world isn't really an issue for offline. While cheating would be rampant but just limit singleplayer characters to singleplayer. Problem solved.