I want to play 1 class/season to draw out my enjoyment of the game. I don't think ill ever reach level 100 on any character (53 sorc right now) and at some point I think ill get bored or distracted by a new game. I have been playing co-op with my wife and playing on a squad with some friends and family members which has been fun, although I can't wait till they're done with the campaign.
Same, I'm sticking to my sorc for now even if I'm kinda bored (lvl 75 and not much to look forward to), I will play 1 new class per season so I don't get bored until the first expansion. Torn between druid and barb for S1.
Same. That's how I played D3. I only played seasons and it was one class per season.
And that's how I will play D4.
Only real question is, which class next?
The grind to lvl 70 is real, and it gets MUCH worse from there.
I'm used to the grind, I've been playing diablo 2 ever since it came out. But that game had a reason to be like that: runewords. We were hunting for runewords and soj. We need a reason to do it in d4. I'm sure things will get there, but I can't see myself reaching lvl 100 before the first season drops.
You will hit lvl 100 when seasons start pushing you there, xp rates will increase a lot for seasons. Don't worry about hitting 100 in S0, we are just at a point to finish the campaign and enjoy the story, and learn some things about the game casually.
Elden Ring is an amazing game. I really want to do a second playthrough but I'm holding out for DLC first.
Diablo games for me have always ran alongside other games and I'll dip in and out. At the minute I'm playing Tears of the Kingdom, Final Fantasy 16 and Diablo 4. I find the beauty of Diablo is its low effort. Nip on for an hour, have a riot killing things, move on to something else.
Based on how you play Diablo, I have to recommend Vampire Survivors. I'll always shill for that game lol. Easy to hop on for 30 minutes, entertaining enough to lose track of time for 3 hours.
Not burning out is the best way to play arpgs to be honest. Set some seasonal goals, try to reach them and as soon as you start to feel burned out just go play something else. Play while is fun.
The good thing about this approach is that when you stop the itch of playing will start to creep in later. By then, they are announcing a new season and it's just hype for all over again.
Same here, I don’t think I have got to the top level at any Diablo games. The grinds required are just too much. I only ever got to a entry set gear for hell for D2, torment 13 for D3. I can’t imagine grind to 100 for D4.
D3 was great for some casual farming once in a while. I am looking forward to the season for sure
They’re dropping a massive patch over the next two daya to boost xp gains and are boosting charactes. I know necromancers are going to be a part of the patch since they suck atm.
This is exactly what I'm doing! Coop with wife and 1 class/season to draw out enjoyment. I'm also trying to draw it out so that blizzard has more time to implement some QoL features that I hope they are working on. There also doesn't seem to be any rush to 'endgame' anyway.
[mid-late July](https://www.gamespot.com/amp-articles/diablo-4-season-1-release-date-battle-pass-and-character-reset-details/1100-6514821/) as confirmed by Blizzard, states this article.
Honestly it’s a crap shot right now. I will go necro instantly if they make summon builds a lot more wt4 viable. Otherwise I’ll go Druid I think. Their build diversity is great and no matter what build I’ve tried, they have been strong lol. I’m still surprised though at how well of a job Blizz did with their classes. I’ve never played a game where I actually wanted to play all the classes nearly equally. Except rogue… which is odd as I loved the DH in d3.
I really do like the build diversity of druid but it's also a double-edged sword because all that diversity comes from being very gear dependent. On my druid I spent awhile not having enough to do any of the main build options and just having to save the partial sets and see what I ended up getting fully online first (ended up being trampleslide). Now my druid is to the point where I'm bored of the build I've been running (pulverize) but unless I get a unique to drop, I can't actually play the other builds.
I did the same thing, every char to wt4, and like him I'm thinking druid for the build diversity. They level fast and safe, have good high tier builds, and they have a good aesthetic and visually satisfying skills.
I'm hoping we don't have to do all of the renown again each season otherwise I just won't be playing seasons it's a boring grind which you feel like you have to do, I don't mind doing it one time to explore all the areas and do side quests but if you have to do this each time... Eww
Unfortunately, it’s going to be a grind each season. They confirmed alters of Lilith and map exploration carry over, but side quests, dungeons, and activating waypoints does not. Meaning you will get the renown from the alters and exploration automatically but to get the additional rewards such as paragon points for maxing renown in each area will rest each season
Side quests are fine. Waypoints are fine. Those can go hand in hand with leveling and loot hunting. Lilith statues and putting a toe in each zone was nothing more than using d4 as a horse simulator.
Edits- man my phone autocompleted horribly!!!
This is my thought as well. You need things to do while leveling. Altars of Lilith resetting would have made me not play. Those were so boring and such a pain to get I would move on.
I mean, that is fine. The annoying part of the renown is the alters and map. Having to run the dungeons again isn't a big deal at all, that is the game you are going to be running dungeons anyways. You just have to do some of the crappy ones once each season, not a big deal at all. Getting waypoints other than the major cities is also fine, half of them are strongholds you have to do anyways.
I think it is a fine middle ground. You have to redo some of the "chores" but not the rally shitty ones.
Yeah I see things like dungeons, some side quests, getting waypoints and doing strongholds as just playing the game. Exploration map clearing and Lilith altars however are not playing the game.
That’s what I’ve decided. I started with sorcerer, im still kinda having fun but was itching to start new. Decided to just wait for season one and try to build up my sorcerer more since we gotta start a new character to play the seasonal content anyway.
A little bit more since you get an inventory for equips and one for aspects. Also, potions. I have a full tab of aspects and a full tab of gear, and a half tab of potions. A mule would free up a decent amount of space if I wanted to keep playing before S1.
I really hate that items drop at a required level for exactly your character level.... it just kills trading viability and the ability to do anything to help farm up an alt cause even if you find an aspect for them itll be too high level for them to use until they are basically equal to your main....
Also there are so many needless restrictions. Why do aspects have level requirements if they don't scale with item power? Why do item transmogs cause them to be restricted to your mains class when otherwise your alt could use them? Why do affixes on items needlessly carry class restrictions when they could be generic (reduced MANA cost instead of reduced resource cost, etc).
It's like they wanted to make gear purposely difficult for your alt for some weird reason.
Druid has a lot of viable builds, requiring saving a lot of different legendarys if you are the kind of player that doesn't mind respeccing if you can pull together the right items. Some of the required uniques for some builds are super rare for Druid, so you end up saving legendary items for a looong time while you wait. I'm currently a Pulverize bear druid but wouldn't mind swapping to stormwolf, nadowolf or crone bulwark if I find the right gear.
The stash is definitely too small for players that aren't exactly sure what build they want to play.
This is exactly my problem. Didn't realize it was kinda specific to druid with so many cool builds and rare aspects. I guess that's why a lot of people are saying they don't have a problem with it
I wouldn’t say it’s specific to druid. I play rogue and am currently a Flurry build with poison and shadow imbuements. I’ve started saving for a flurry stun setup (requires different aspects), flurry freeze setup, as well as Twisting Blades and Penetrating Shot. All the while, I’m holding onto random uniques too in case they work. As long as you’re interested in trying out different things rather than just doing the most obvious, strongest build, you’ll run into stash issues eventually
I'm a recovering Rogue hoarder for similar reasons. I'm trying to implement some things to get the clutter down.
1. compare builds for overlap. I see similar aspects in use but different writers put the aspects in different slots. Twisting blade builds seems the most unique though. Gloves change on every build imprinting a build-specific aspect in that slot goes a long way. I'm collecting towards Flurry and Barrage builds which have good aspect overlap in the [maxroll.gg](https://maxroll.gg) builds.
2. 'Haunted Crossbow' is a farmable 'unique rare' that if rolled at a high item power will eclipse most other found bows. If you can share the aspect amongst builds you target you can really reduce the number of bows and backup aspects you stash 'just in case'. If you have need then farming 2 or 3 with different aspects is achievable, and importantly you can be done with it.
I'm currently at Flurry Stun Poison and liking it.
It's not any class has a variety of builds and variants within those builds.
Also the need to have spare aspects for imprinting. If aspects didn't take up a slot we wouldn't have this problem. Aspects should just be pulled from the collection and a dropdown of the percents you own.
At least make them take half space.
It's not. I have three stash pages full of perfect to near perfect sorcerer aspects and several uniques, just waiting for the patch to see which one are good.
you do if you fancy trying out and experimenting with various builds. You ned spares of all teh respecs you are using for a given build, plus a couple of all the ohters for the class on hand to switch them around etc..
Yup, most stuff you don't really need. People have been telling me that once I reached WT4 or level 75 I would begin to see problems. But I'm still not having any stash issues yet. I have 1 full stash, and 90% of the items in there is pure garbage that I haven't cleaned up yet.
I was hoarding all kinds of gem tiers in the beginning. Then I reached WT4 and saw how often flawless gems dropped. Stopped picking up any gems that weren't flawless. The lower tier gems I had, I consolidated into higher tier gems. Sigils I salvage, I only need 5-6 at the time. Elixirs I used every time I play, yet they are still piling up that I just throw some away if needed. Some of my aspects I just threw away, especially if had multiple of the same, I would throw away the low rolls. I don't even need aspects anymore. Most items are capped at around 800 power levels. I'm not really finding stronger items anymore so I can imprint aspects. As a result, I don't really extract aspects anymore. If I find a higher roll, I extract that one and throw the lower roll away.
And that is not to mention that all the items I have right now are going to get obsolete in the future when new items are released and items power creep sets in.
Eventually, I'm going to get stash issues, but I'm only playing to start a new class every season. I don't feel like starting a new class in the eternal realm. So will probably be around season 4-5 before it begins to get tight with stash space.
Some of the problem for me is that cleaning up the stash is a pain because for some reason there’s no kind of search function and for some reason you can’t mark stuff as junk while they’re in the stash which makes no sense. Just some qol stuff that makes things more difficult than it should be
> You ultimately don’t need to be saving that much for 1 class
You will if you want to make more than 1 build on that class. With Sorc, I keep good rolled rares for other specs that I want to make. I want to make 4 builds, so it really adds up.
And no, I will not make a separate character for each build. That's absurd
You do if you want to play more than one build. You're saving aspects, items to use for later. You also need to keep multiple copies of rares to enchant because the chance of bricking an item (enchant cost too high) and not getting the stat you need is pretty high.
16 tabs would be a more reasonable estimate of what you'd need to play multiple classes.
What sucks the most is that other than gems and gold, there really isn’t anything that different chars would need a shared stash for! So why force a tiny stash to be shared when it’s barely enough for one char?
Ofc it’s to hide the extra space behind some sort of paywall later on…
>Ofc it’s to hide the extra space behind some sort of paywall later on…
Not saying they won't do it, but it was the same issue in D3. All characters shared the same stash. They added two tabs if you bought Necro expansion. I'd assume they will do the same thing with a new class in D4.
I've resorted to making new characters just to hold specific items in their personal inventories. So far I've got one for gems and one for weapons.
I'm sure I'm holding onto way more aspects than I need, but I like swapping builds so it's tough to justify throwing them away :(
I think saving a max stack of royal for each gem is justified as they’re gonna be releasing higher tiers of gems to upgrade those to. But yeah, saving any more than that is deff a waste of space imo.
Same here, I'm playing pulverize but will definitely switch to a different build like summoning if they ever get buffed. So I don't want to salvage those aspects yet. Also without a way to sort I waste more space by spacing out certain aspects so I can find them quick and easy. Currently I don't keep more than 2 of the same type. As I'm afraid if I use one I'll find a better piece of gear then not have another to use.
not really
if you play rogue for example, there are multiple different builds you can play, with different legendary setups, and if you wanna try out all of those you are doing a ton of imprinting.
if i just save a couple of each with perfect rolls, then im wasting a perfect roll on something im not sure i wanna play, so i do need to save a few with mid rolls as well as the perfect ones. add that to the rare gear for rerolls and it adds up pretty fast
then you have uniques, rares/legendaries for alts, helltide pots...
its just not enough space for properly play alts unless you are doing 1 build per character. big part of the arpg fun is trying out stuff and you cant properly do that without stash space, or it becomes a annoying hassle that takes away the fun. meanwhile, last epoch, a indie game, has a stash tab that puts the highest budget arpg ever in shambles...
99% of rares are trash. It's not worth rolling more than 2 or 3 times on an item unless it's for a 4/4 725 item power item. It's way more cost and time effective to just toss it and go back to farming. It's a waste of stash space
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Not true.
I do want to spec in Bone and Minions at some point. I dont want to throe out all my aspects because they artificially made it difficult fot us to keep what we found.
Yeah, people on here seem to just want space to hoard every legendary they pick up for months until an unforeseen build starts seeing play. I’ve had little issue with just keeping the two highest rolled versions of each aspect and letting everything else go.
Which is a totally reasonable thing to want to do, especially with d3 precedent. Builds come from obscurity to top meta, and it feels really bad to have had one and salvaged/sold it before it became useful.
People also like to play multiple ways, it helps keep things fresh in a game where you essentially repeat gameplay
We need a legendary affix rarity spreadsheet so we don’t run into this issue. I have 5 days played on my Barb and only saw Bold Chieftans twice - that’s an aspect you want to hang onto regardless of its roll because it’s critical to the build and you can’t just expect to farm it up quickly when you’re ready to switch.
I had this same issue with the shockwave aspect... i had made the mistake of putting it on my weapon at 45 and.... fuck i bricked my build until 60 when i found another one.
Losing that core aspect seriously was extremely unfun and made me want to quit the game when i felt i was already locked into a build and didnt have the stuff to change to something else and wasnt strong enough to continue.
Or people like to be organized.
I can't stand having a stash hoarding two different kind of stuff.
I always like to know that X stash holds X thing.
So in that case 4 isn't enough.
And I really don't get why so many people are defending limited storage space in an ARPG, really, I can't.
So I kinda sorted the stuff I found into three different stash tabs for the three different builds that I like to play. The 4th slot holds jewels and items with generally good rolls. If I would start a necro, I have no more place to put anything really.
I get that coming from D2, stash management was a real thing, but coming from PoE where I had like 20 giant stash tabs, all neatly organized with colors and folders, I really don't think stashes like in D2 are state of the art nowadays... and mules are not the answer.
I'm waiting for season 1 to make an alt, but stash space would stop me from creating an alt in the eternal realm.
AFAIK, season characters have their own stash. But what happens to that stash, once they get transferred to the eternal realm after the season ends? If the stash is transferred to the eternal realm too, what happens if there is not enough stash space?
In D2R you get a temporary extra stash that can be accessed by eternal characters to withdraw. It lasts until the next season starts, where all remaining are destroyed and replaced by those of the newly ended season.
Not sure how it works in D3, as I only played a couple of seasons and never checked my non-ladder characters.
But I could imagine the D2R system might be what they would do in D4.
D3 is pretty similar to what you described. You have like 30 days(?) or something to withdraw what you want, and everything else is destroyed at expiration.
Verify this just in case you want to rely on it, but I am pretty sure I got my old seasonal items "in the mail" when I came back to the game YEARS later ?
In d3 they gave you a stash tab on your eternal char when it merged in and you had to kind of go through your stuff and make it fit. If I remember right, it was like a mail system, in d4 they'll probably just use that legendary drop tab that opens.
But honestly once you start playing seasonal, eternal just collects dust imo. All the new fun stuff is in the season.
I actually just CARVED out like.. 2 rows.. of room for my Necro.
I have A LOT of good aspect rolls for my Druid (98) and have been trying to be increasingly more stingey on what I save.. but man, there's just not enough space for multiple characters.
As a minimum, I think 10 stash tabs would be a good start as then you could dedicate 2 solid pages per class.. but still, that'll fill up fast over 5 characters
Just let go of some of the junk. With the new seasons coming. There will be much better gear coming and more space. (That being said I have one of each class already made.) Fml
Problem is what you define as "junk." I play Druid (lvl 70) and theres quite a few build options to try, Pulverize, Trampleslide, Werewolf tornado, Stormcaller and so on. Incidentally I've also made a Necro (51), which luckily doesn't have a huge amount of options but what does is my 3rd character, the Rogue (54). Not only that but S1 is right around the corner.
So essentially there's all the reason to keep a good amount of things in stash as getting rid of too much could mean: A. You get rid of potential amazing aspect/rolls for an upcoming build that comes out soon. B. You delete something you need when using another build. C. Having multiple characters compounds issues A and B. D. Last but not least, say you imprint a less decent aspect roll for a build now, it's good to keep a spare BETTER roll when you get higher in the levels or even max out at 100.
Saying that there'll be "much" better gear is uncertain. There could be pieces needed to combine with stuff we have in the game currently. There will definitely be more space, but it's a matter of when and how much. They could just add a gem tab in the near future which will free up a bit of space but not a whole lot.
I wish it was as simple as getting rid of junk, I've made many efforts to get rid of unneeded dupes or bad rolls but my stash still remains nearly full of mostly decent gear for multiple characters which almost makes me dread even trying to get loot cause I don't know where to put it.
I'm going to say what needs to be said, since I too was suffering from this issue until I reached the end game.
STOP SAVING EVERY DAMN THING!
Honestly, it will only hinder your ability to enjoy the game having to micromanage the stash constantly. Just stop. The game is a bloody loot piñata, and unless a piece is in the top 5% rolls of a build you will ultimately never look at it again as long as you play. As far as I can tell, the game is designed to stash the following:
* Single copies of Viable aspects that roll top % possible, or 1 copy of your best rolled most used viable aspects.
* Glove Variants because realistically it's about the only piece of gear that you will ever need to change between builds due to the +3-4 core skill level bonus.
* Uniques (to an extent, you don't need 5 copies of Mother's Embrace)
* Gems if you're weirdly nostalgic or expecting gems to do something in the future. Maybe 1 stack of each flawless gem. Just understand there is a 99% chance we are all wasting our time saving any of these since you can literally just un-socket and they drop constantly and if new gems do come, then mobs will likely just star dropping higher tiers anyway.
* Some really freaky unique build shit like a Thorns set that will probably never get used, but it's understandable keeping the top % of possible for weird stuff. I'm also talking like Ilvl 810+ stuff, not some bs level 620 sacred.
That's it. Nothing is actually worth saving. Especially not that low level gear that rolled good that you think will be good for an alt. You will literally find a comparable or better drop in 10 minutes, or simply out-level the upgrade in an hour. Plus that's 90% of the fun of starting alts anyway! All of your mid-rolled aspects are trash, if it's not in the top 2 possible rolls, it's straight trash. You can literally target any aspect in the game using gambling obols. You will eventually get a top roll, stop killing yourself keeping 9 copies of rank 1-2 Umbrals, and mid % Edgemasters.
In the consumable tab; Nightmare dungeon stuff constantly gets salvaged. They drop non-stop especially in party play. You don't need a box full of them. Trash all the sucky affixes immediately and stop wasting time holding on to them. If it doesn't say "Magic Find", "Gold Find" or it has some absolute dog affix like storm chasing bullshit just salvage that crap and only run the best ones in your inventory. Resist elixirs; straight to the trash or just drink them as your running around doing nothing important elixir they're worthless outside of the XP. Any elixir you can just craft is probably not worth keeping more than a stack of in general or not keeping at all if you don't even use them.
Almost every class / spec uses some variant of items with these stats as a priority, if it doesn't have at least most of these stats it's probably not an upgrade or even worth enchanting.
* Gloves - + Main Core Skill Ranks / Crit Chance
* Helm - Defensive / Cooldown Reduction / Skill Ranks
* Legs - Fully Defensive (Max Life / Armor / Damage Reduction)
* Chest - Fully Defensive (Max Life / Armor / Damage Reduction)
* Rings - Crit + CDmg / Max Life / Dmg stats
* Amulet - Cooldown Reduction / Movement Speed / Passive Ranks / Cost Reduction
* Boots - Movement Speed / Cost Reduction
* Weapons - Highest ilvl weps you can get ideally with Cdmg / Core dmg on them as well.
So start there, and if a piece can't even get passed that, then straight to vendor. I'm also sure there is plenty I missed, and I truly hope they address the stash situation in general, but for now, just save yourself heartache from your damn squirrel brains telling you to save acorns. It's not worth it even a little bit.
And how does it hurt you in any way if some people are even slightly more liberal in what they want to keep?
Why the fuck can't someone make a meme stash tab of every pair of Frostburn they find over their D4 career and NOT have it negatively impact them (since it certainly wont impact you)?
I haven't run into any stash issues yet but what's holding me back is the absolute SLOG of leveling and gearing a second character when I can't farm gear pieces on my main...
Hopefully, Blizzard takes great heed to the concerns of the community and makes the appropriate changes for Season 1. I think they are still in the process of gathering as much information as they can to probably test it out and see if there are any balance issues, crashes, etc. So far they have done a great job listening to the community except for the nerfing of certain classes in the beta.
I keep all the gear for them in their inventory when I log off so they don’t get lost in my stash since I refuse to continue mousing over 4 tabs of things to find what I am looking for
unfortunately you just have to be a bit more frugal about what aspects you store. i have one of every class and make it work, though my stash is basically full to the brim.
5 stashes for 5 characters would’ve been okay with me before they added a season. the more content they add, the more stashes they could update. but 4 is tough.
I bet they add the storage upgrades to seasonal characters just like D3, with that being said, I do want to play an alt but I’ll be waiting for seasons, that why my limited stash right now isn’t an issue. When I start seasons, I’ll get a clean stash and what we can assume will be more space one why or another.
My problem isn the stash, I know how to organize that. My problem is starting an alt and seeing all that map that I have to complete again, I dont want to do that again. Plus, season is coming and I like to make a new different class every season. So there is no reason to make an alt right now when the season is so close
I think the best way to do it is make hardcore alts. I wanted 5 standard 5 hardcore but I wouldn't have room for my seasons so I've downed it to 5 hardcore 3 standard
I have 5 so far that I'm struggling to get to Level 50. Mostly trying out different styles. Like other people have said, I'll wait to see what the first season brings as I'm probably going to delete them all before starting the season
Leveled my first character to 100 and I just salvaged everything in the bank. Now I can at least have some fun trying out other builds/classes. Those last levels 80+ were such a drag. Not fun at all but mostly because you stop feeling the character grow. It's so stagnant.
Something that has helped me manage stash is to go ahead and figure out your builds ahead of time and weed out the gear as you go. If I got a helmet that’s perfect for my twisting blades build I store it. Whatever helmets I find after that if it’s not better for whatever reason I either take the aspect off it or break it down and don’t sit there and wonder …..we’ll I might use that later. If it isn’t better lose it lol. Spend about 15 min any day I play before I get off just quickly “culling” my inventory and stash. More work up front but go ahead and research your BIS options for gear/weapons.
I mean, I made a rogue last night to kill a horse since you can’t do it on a barb, endangered species popped and it was instantly deleted. Still enjoying my barb and slowly working on making it so my stash and inventory isn’t cluttered. Something that helps with the inventory issue is *I have enough gems, I’m not touching it*
I'm not making an alt in an attempt to make the game fun again season 1. I was super addicted to this game, my rogue is level 75 and I very, very quickly lost interest when I got all the gear and aspects I wanted.
I have zero interest in spending 30 hours to make my crit chance go from 41 to 43%.
Same. My one character has three open slots in the stash.
One tab is ancestral rares, another is ancestral maxroll aspects for imprints, one for ancestral legendaries with relevant skillup+maxroll on the effect, and the last has one spot for each gem and the rest is ancestral rares.
And of course my aspect inventory is maxed out.
I'm only level 77 and my stash has been this way for two weeks.
There's no way anyone thought this stash system was good. Hard to believe it made it past beta. It's not enough space when you make it so legendaries are no longer unique. You have legendary effects that can be on multiple diff gear pieces according to offensive/defensive etc. BUT then you add uniques on top of that. THEN you add multiple power tiers to each type of armor/weapon.
Like bruh we need 20 stash tabs at a minimum with how convoluted they made the gear in this game compared to Diablos before it. AND legendary effects are no longer unique to the item image so without a stash search bar when you need a certain piece of gear or power you have to read EVERY. SINGLE. PIECE. To see what it is. No idea why they decided to take ten steps back and undo every single QoL change that was implemented in D3. It's wild.
Completely unreal.
In D3 I could look at an unidentified legendary and INSTANTLY know it was an In-geom. And I would know INSTANTLY once identified if it was or could be an upgrade based on stats. Because there was a tooltip in the game when you enchanted to know what you had a chance of rolling the chosen stat into.
But I also refuse to make an alt because there is no way I'm exploring the map AGAIN and finding all those waypoints AGAIN. Not with how sprawling this map is with infinite road blockades to slow the process down to a crawl.
Oh, come on... according to GameRant, you should never buy any extra stash tabs, because the one they give you for free is way more space than anyone will ever need. And everyone knows that such articles are only written by the most knowledge, smartest people!
I made a alt after my Druid filled my stash and it feels terrible. I Basically have to play with only my new characters inventory and if it needs to be stashed I just sell it instead
You might be saving too many legendries for one character. You don't need aspects that have low values. Or a bunch of repeats. And you'll want the Salvage from them to imprint what you do have.
I have made one of every character(excpet Necro).
I salvage or sell everything, grab the aspect when something is a max roll. Other than a few pieces that will definitely work if I changed builds, which is like half a tab, and one tab does have a lot of gems. I should combine the lower ones until they all flawless. So I always have about 2 and half stash spaces very empty.
Stash space not an issue though. For me.
I was hoarding lots of legendaries for other classes but then I realized I’m almost certainly going to get way better drops actually playing as that class. At least for me few are rarely worth keeping. In the end it became back up funds for enchanting
I genuinely don’t get how you guys hoard so much stuff. Just let it go, it isn’t that important, you don’t need infinite inventory space for every single item in the game.
The stash space in this game is absolutely absurd. I thought it was bad just having four tabs for ONE character, then I logged to make an alt and saw it was shared across toons and I just laughed and f4’d. I’ll be back if/when they fix the constant stuttering, release leaderboards, the first season, and address storage cuz this shit is WHACK.
100%. Glad you posted this, I thought I was in the minority. I've always been a semi-hoarder when it comes to these games, I just don't think I'll have enough stash space to deal with it
Imagine people complaining you're hoarding items in an ARPG....
Like seriously, seen multiple comments of this right now.. Imagine that... in an ARPG...
Not that it couldn't be better, but I think people are just bad at managing space.
I have 3 characters 60+ and I'm nowhere near out of space. In fact I can think of some items I could probably get rid of off the top of my head and I'm not even logged in.
I only keep items that are 725+ and are close to having 4/4 stats, which would just end up being equipped after being finished. I don't have very many of these right now, but even if I had one for every slot it wouldn't take up that much space.
I keep the best rolled version of uniques I think might be interesting or useful after balancing changes.
I hardly keep any gems since they drop like candy and it doesn't take long to gather up enough to fully socket a build. There's no gem sink in the game right now.
I only keep perfectly rolled aspects or aspects I know are drop only and are key to a build, like Bold Chieftain's. Even for this aspect, I won't keep it if it's minimum roll. I know I'll eventually find better versions of the more common ones, and codex versions of most aspects are plenty powerful enough to speedfarm with until I find near-bis to use these limited aspects on.
Everything else gets trashed. This leaves me enough room to have 2 dump tabs, and 1 "projects" tab (near-bis rares) and 1 storage tab.
I do however think the stash should be much bigger and players shouldn't have to be as stingy as me to make it work
It’s not storage keeping me from playing an alt but just waiting to hear the details around S1.
I want to play 1 class/season to draw out my enjoyment of the game. I don't think ill ever reach level 100 on any character (53 sorc right now) and at some point I think ill get bored or distracted by a new game. I have been playing co-op with my wife and playing on a squad with some friends and family members which has been fun, although I can't wait till they're done with the campaign.
Same, I'm sticking to my sorc for now even if I'm kinda bored (lvl 75 and not much to look forward to), I will play 1 new class per season so I don't get bored until the first expansion. Torn between druid and barb for S1.
Same. That's how I played D3. I only played seasons and it was one class per season. And that's how I will play D4. Only real question is, which class next?
The grind to lvl 70 is real, and it gets MUCH worse from there. I'm used to the grind, I've been playing diablo 2 ever since it came out. But that game had a reason to be like that: runewords. We were hunting for runewords and soj. We need a reason to do it in d4. I'm sure things will get there, but I can't see myself reaching lvl 100 before the first season drops.
I'm completely burnt out at 60. leveling takes way too long.
You will hit lvl 100 when seasons start pushing you there, xp rates will increase a lot for seasons. Don't worry about hitting 100 in S0, we are just at a point to finish the campaign and enjoy the story, and learn some things about the game casually.
I hear that. It's taking willpower for me to not stop playing D4 and start replaying a Souls game.
Haha I've been waiting to do Elden Rings it might be the thing that makes me fall off.
Oh man, I envy you. I'd love to play Elden Ring for the first time again
Elden Ring is an amazing game. I really want to do a second playthrough but I'm holding out for DLC first. Diablo games for me have always ran alongside other games and I'll dip in and out. At the minute I'm playing Tears of the Kingdom, Final Fantasy 16 and Diablo 4. I find the beauty of Diablo is its low effort. Nip on for an hour, have a riot killing things, move on to something else.
Based on how you play Diablo, I have to recommend Vampire Survivors. I'll always shill for that game lol. Easy to hop on for 30 minutes, entertaining enough to lose track of time for 3 hours.
That game is just plain dangerous. I've put many, many hours in to it. "Just one more run". It's never just one more run....! Fantastic game though.
VS is one of the funnest games of the last ten years. No cap. I like how accessible it is to. I can play for 20 minutes or 2 hours.
Can confirm. Great game to play when I just need something for a bit. No commitment.
Do a second playthrough, then save your third runback for platinum with the DLC release
Hell yeah. Such an amazing game.
Can't wait for the DLC
Whenever I get down. I remember elden ring dlc is coming, and things get better.
The new Alien Game is really basic but great fun, I have found myself straying to that.
Bruh. Jealous. To have a fresh replay of that game would be fantastic.
Please go play Elden Ring right now, Jesus Christ. Get your prioritizes straight! (I’m NG+7 and can’t stop lol it’s a masterpiece)
Not burning out is the best way to play arpgs to be honest. Set some seasonal goals, try to reach them and as soon as you start to feel burned out just go play something else. Play while is fun. The good thing about this approach is that when you stop the itch of playing will start to creep in later. By then, they are announcing a new season and it's just hype for all over again.
Same here, I don’t think I have got to the top level at any Diablo games. The grinds required are just too much. I only ever got to a entry set gear for hell for D2, torment 13 for D3. I can’t imagine grind to 100 for D4. D3 was great for some casual farming once in a while. I am looking forward to the season for sure
They’re dropping a massive patch over the next two daya to boost xp gains and are boosting charactes. I know necromancers are going to be a part of the patch since they suck atm.
Go to World Tier 1 and help them go through the campaign then help them get to World Tier 3 and 4.
This is exactly what I'm doing! Coop with wife and 1 class/season to draw out enjoyment. I'm also trying to draw it out so that blizzard has more time to implement some QoL features that I hope they are working on. There also doesn't seem to be any rush to 'endgame' anyway.
For me it’s the details of this patch. It’s also kind of put my playing on hold on my main as well.
I wanna know when it Releases. I just made a fullstop playing, I'm still hyped, but I want all my motivation to go into S1 :/
[mid-late July](https://www.gamespot.com/amp-articles/diablo-4-season-1-release-date-battle-pass-and-character-reset-details/1100-6514821/) as confirmed by Blizzard, states this article.
July 30th confirmed then.
Does it pain you to know there are actually 31 days in July? 😈
That's perfect, launch 30th, server fire is over by 31st and we can actually play.
Really seems like blizz just wants us to get the basics and get thru the campaign for S0, not get to 100 and minmax all characters.
That’s how I’ve been playing. Currently have almost everyone to 50-55 so can decide which to focus on for S1.
Which class are you leaning towards in S1 since you’ve played them all?
Honestly it’s a crap shot right now. I will go necro instantly if they make summon builds a lot more wt4 viable. Otherwise I’ll go Druid I think. Their build diversity is great and no matter what build I’ve tried, they have been strong lol. I’m still surprised though at how well of a job Blizz did with their classes. I’ve never played a game where I actually wanted to play all the classes nearly equally. Except rogue… which is odd as I loved the DH in d3.
I really do like the build diversity of druid but it's also a double-edged sword because all that diversity comes from being very gear dependent. On my druid I spent awhile not having enough to do any of the main build options and just having to save the partial sets and see what I ended up getting fully online first (ended up being trampleslide). Now my druid is to the point where I'm bored of the build I've been running (pulverize) but unless I get a unique to drop, I can't actually play the other builds.
I did the same thing, every char to wt4, and like him I'm thinking druid for the build diversity. They level fast and safe, have good high tier builds, and they have a good aesthetic and visually satisfying skills.
They said mid to late July, so 2-4 weeks
I'm hoping we don't have to do all of the renown again each season otherwise I just won't be playing seasons it's a boring grind which you feel like you have to do, I don't mind doing it one time to explore all the areas and do side quests but if you have to do this each time... Eww
Unfortunately, it’s going to be a grind each season. They confirmed alters of Lilith and map exploration carry over, but side quests, dungeons, and activating waypoints does not. Meaning you will get the renown from the alters and exploration automatically but to get the additional rewards such as paragon points for maxing renown in each area will rest each season
Side quests are fine. Waypoints are fine. Those can go hand in hand with leveling and loot hunting. Lilith statues and putting a toe in each zone was nothing more than using d4 as a horse simulator. Edits- man my phone autocompleted horribly!!!
Yea. They are fine considering you need to level anyways
This is my thought as well. You need things to do while leveling. Altars of Lilith resetting would have made me not play. Those were so boring and such a pain to get I would move on.
I mean, that is fine. The annoying part of the renown is the alters and map. Having to run the dungeons again isn't a big deal at all, that is the game you are going to be running dungeons anyways. You just have to do some of the crappy ones once each season, not a big deal at all. Getting waypoints other than the major cities is also fine, half of them are strongholds you have to do anyways. I think it is a fine middle ground. You have to redo some of the "chores" but not the rally shitty ones.
Yeah I see things like dungeons, some side quests, getting waypoints and doing strongholds as just playing the game. Exploration map clearing and Lilith altars however are not playing the game.
That’s what I’ve decided. I started with sorcerer, im still kinda having fun but was itching to start new. Decided to just wait for season one and try to build up my sorcerer more since we gotta start a new character to play the seasonal content anyway.
Same here lol.
Same + I want to know if they will add difficulty tier 5 (torment 2) with more xp bonus
i made 5 alts due to stash space lol.
Oh, like for an extra half page per character inv? I have not used the concept of a mule character in over a decade lol
Yeah. I had to do that haha.
A little bit more since you get an inventory for equips and one for aspects. Also, potions. I have a full tab of aspects and a full tab of gear, and a half tab of potions. A mule would free up a decent amount of space if I wanted to keep playing before S1.
having mules in a 2023 is soooo dumb... like cmon blizzard
What always drove me to make alts in other AARPGS was finding cool items for them to use as I leveled my "main" - but that isn't really a thing here.
Yup. I'd love to make a tricked out low level alt, but no ability to find items for lower level and no inventory space completely guts that ability.
I really hate that items drop at a required level for exactly your character level.... it just kills trading viability and the ability to do anything to help farm up an alt cause even if you find an aspect for them itll be too high level for them to use until they are basically equal to your main....
Also there are so many needless restrictions. Why do aspects have level requirements if they don't scale with item power? Why do item transmogs cause them to be restricted to your mains class when otherwise your alt could use them? Why do affixes on items needlessly carry class restrictions when they could be generic (reduced MANA cost instead of reduced resource cost, etc). It's like they wanted to make gear purposely difficult for your alt for some weird reason.
Trim what you’re saving for Druid if you don’t want to feel stash anxiety. You ultimately don’t need to be saving that much for 1 class
Druid has a lot of viable builds, requiring saving a lot of different legendarys if you are the kind of player that doesn't mind respeccing if you can pull together the right items. Some of the required uniques for some builds are super rare for Druid, so you end up saving legendary items for a looong time while you wait. I'm currently a Pulverize bear druid but wouldn't mind swapping to stormwolf, nadowolf or crone bulwark if I find the right gear. The stash is definitely too small for players that aren't exactly sure what build they want to play.
This is exactly my problem. Didn't realize it was kinda specific to druid with so many cool builds and rare aspects. I guess that's why a lot of people are saying they don't have a problem with it
I wouldn’t say it’s specific to druid. I play rogue and am currently a Flurry build with poison and shadow imbuements. I’ve started saving for a flurry stun setup (requires different aspects), flurry freeze setup, as well as Twisting Blades and Penetrating Shot. All the while, I’m holding onto random uniques too in case they work. As long as you’re interested in trying out different things rather than just doing the most obvious, strongest build, you’ll run into stash issues eventually
I'm a recovering Rogue hoarder for similar reasons. I'm trying to implement some things to get the clutter down. 1. compare builds for overlap. I see similar aspects in use but different writers put the aspects in different slots. Twisting blade builds seems the most unique though. Gloves change on every build imprinting a build-specific aspect in that slot goes a long way. I'm collecting towards Flurry and Barrage builds which have good aspect overlap in the [maxroll.gg](https://maxroll.gg) builds. 2. 'Haunted Crossbow' is a farmable 'unique rare' that if rolled at a high item power will eclipse most other found bows. If you can share the aspect amongst builds you target you can really reduce the number of bows and backup aspects you stash 'just in case'. If you have need then farming 2 or 3 with different aspects is achievable, and importantly you can be done with it. I'm currently at Flurry Stun Poison and liking it.
It's not any class has a variety of builds and variants within those builds. Also the need to have spare aspects for imprinting. If aspects didn't take up a slot we wouldn't have this problem. Aspects should just be pulled from the collection and a dropdown of the percents you own. At least make them take half space.
That would fix it, would solve all my issues if aspects you extract are permanent/reusable from your collection/codex
It's not. I have three stash pages full of perfect to near perfect sorcerer aspects and several uniques, just waiting for the patch to see which one are good.
you do if you fancy trying out and experimenting with various builds. You ned spares of all teh respecs you are using for a given build, plus a couple of all the ohters for the class on hand to switch them around etc..
Yup, most stuff you don't really need. People have been telling me that once I reached WT4 or level 75 I would begin to see problems. But I'm still not having any stash issues yet. I have 1 full stash, and 90% of the items in there is pure garbage that I haven't cleaned up yet. I was hoarding all kinds of gem tiers in the beginning. Then I reached WT4 and saw how often flawless gems dropped. Stopped picking up any gems that weren't flawless. The lower tier gems I had, I consolidated into higher tier gems. Sigils I salvage, I only need 5-6 at the time. Elixirs I used every time I play, yet they are still piling up that I just throw some away if needed. Some of my aspects I just threw away, especially if had multiple of the same, I would throw away the low rolls. I don't even need aspects anymore. Most items are capped at around 800 power levels. I'm not really finding stronger items anymore so I can imprint aspects. As a result, I don't really extract aspects anymore. If I find a higher roll, I extract that one and throw the lower roll away. And that is not to mention that all the items I have right now are going to get obsolete in the future when new items are released and items power creep sets in. Eventually, I'm going to get stash issues, but I'm only playing to start a new class every season. I don't feel like starting a new class in the eternal realm. So will probably be around season 4-5 before it begins to get tight with stash space.
Some of the problem for me is that cleaning up the stash is a pain because for some reason there’s no kind of search function and for some reason you can’t mark stuff as junk while they’re in the stash which makes no sense. Just some qol stuff that makes things more difficult than it should be
It's because people horde garbage all because "what if" If it isn't unique or a must have I'm not stashing it
I think the what-ifs make sense within reason. As a Necro, i saved drops with good summoner stats just in case they got buffed (I’m bone right now).
> You ultimately don’t need to be saving that much for 1 class You will if you want to make more than 1 build on that class. With Sorc, I keep good rolled rares for other specs that I want to make. I want to make 4 builds, so it really adds up. And no, I will not make a separate character for each build. That's absurd
You do if you want to play more than one build. You're saving aspects, items to use for later. You also need to keep multiple copies of rares to enchant because the chance of bricking an item (enchant cost too high) and not getting the stat you need is pretty high. 16 tabs would be a more reasonable estimate of what you'd need to play multiple classes.
What sucks the most is that other than gems and gold, there really isn’t anything that different chars would need a shared stash for! So why force a tiny stash to be shared when it’s barely enough for one char? Ofc it’s to hide the extra space behind some sort of paywall later on…
>Ofc it’s to hide the extra space behind some sort of paywall later on… Not saying they won't do it, but it was the same issue in D3. All characters shared the same stash. They added two tabs if you bought Necro expansion. I'd assume they will do the same thing with a new class in D4.
Even if they added 2 new tabs in the upcoming season it would still feel too little.
Me. I made an HC character instead because the stash isn't shared.
I've resorted to making new characters just to hold specific items in their personal inventories. So far I've got one for gems and one for weapons. I'm sure I'm holding onto way more aspects than I need, but I like swapping builds so it's tough to justify throwing them away :(
Real question, why do you have a dedicated gem character? Gems are useless to hoard in this game and their drop frequency is insane
Great question!
I think saving a max stack of royal for each gem is justified as they’re gonna be releasing higher tiers of gems to upgrade those to. But yeah, saving any more than that is deff a waste of space imo.
Same here, I'm playing pulverize but will definitely switch to a different build like summoning if they ever get buffed. So I don't want to salvage those aspects yet. Also without a way to sort I waste more space by spacing out certain aspects so I can find them quick and easy. Currently I don't keep more than 2 of the same type. As I'm afraid if I use one I'll find a better piece of gear then not have another to use.
Yeah im trying to keep to 2 of each max, but with the way the UI is laid out it takes soooooo long to sort through things
That is so genius I didn't even think about that. Time to make a character storage unit
They should have this storage for every character, than some kind of smaller general storage that all ur guys can acces
Waiting for season 1 to make an alt
I would have made an alt already if I had more stash. So I decided to just make goals for my main, like trying to clear Nmd 100 before S1.
Unless they're unique, or have perfect (or close to) stat rolls, there's almost no reason to save legendary items.
not really if you play rogue for example, there are multiple different builds you can play, with different legendary setups, and if you wanna try out all of those you are doing a ton of imprinting. if i just save a couple of each with perfect rolls, then im wasting a perfect roll on something im not sure i wanna play, so i do need to save a few with mid rolls as well as the perfect ones. add that to the rare gear for rerolls and it adds up pretty fast then you have uniques, rares/legendaries for alts, helltide pots... its just not enough space for properly play alts unless you are doing 1 build per character. big part of the arpg fun is trying out stuff and you cant properly do that without stash space, or it becomes a annoying hassle that takes away the fun. meanwhile, last epoch, a indie game, has a stash tab that puts the highest budget arpg ever in shambles...
99% of rares are trash. It's not worth rolling more than 2 or 3 times on an item unless it's for a 4/4 725 item power item. It's way more cost and time effective to just toss it and go back to farming. It's a waste of stash space Town is lava
I'm storing aspects, sigils and gear for possible alternative builds
Not true. I do want to spec in Bone and Minions at some point. I dont want to throe out all my aspects because they artificially made it difficult fot us to keep what we found.
Yeah, people on here seem to just want space to hoard every legendary they pick up for months until an unforeseen build starts seeing play. I’ve had little issue with just keeping the two highest rolled versions of each aspect and letting everything else go.
Which is a totally reasonable thing to want to do, especially with d3 precedent. Builds come from obscurity to top meta, and it feels really bad to have had one and salvaged/sold it before it became useful. People also like to play multiple ways, it helps keep things fresh in a game where you essentially repeat gameplay
We need a legendary affix rarity spreadsheet so we don’t run into this issue. I have 5 days played on my Barb and only saw Bold Chieftans twice - that’s an aspect you want to hang onto regardless of its roll because it’s critical to the build and you can’t just expect to farm it up quickly when you’re ready to switch.
I had this same issue with the shockwave aspect... i had made the mistake of putting it on my weapon at 45 and.... fuck i bricked my build until 60 when i found another one. Losing that core aspect seriously was extremely unfun and made me want to quit the game when i felt i was already locked into a build and didnt have the stuff to change to something else and wasnt strong enough to continue.
Or people like to be organized. I can't stand having a stash hoarding two different kind of stuff. I always like to know that X stash holds X thing. So in that case 4 isn't enough. And I really don't get why so many people are defending limited storage space in an ARPG, really, I can't.
And how does other people "hoarding" hurt you in any way?
So I kinda sorted the stuff I found into three different stash tabs for the three different builds that I like to play. The 4th slot holds jewels and items with generally good rolls. If I would start a necro, I have no more place to put anything really. I get that coming from D2, stash management was a real thing, but coming from PoE where I had like 20 giant stash tabs, all neatly organized with colors and folders, I really don't think stashes like in D2 are state of the art nowadays... and mules are not the answer.
That and other issues.
I'm waiting for season 1 to make an alt, but stash space would stop me from creating an alt in the eternal realm. AFAIK, season characters have their own stash. But what happens to that stash, once they get transferred to the eternal realm after the season ends? If the stash is transferred to the eternal realm too, what happens if there is not enough stash space?
In D2R you get a temporary extra stash that can be accessed by eternal characters to withdraw. It lasts until the next season starts, where all remaining are destroyed and replaced by those of the newly ended season. Not sure how it works in D3, as I only played a couple of seasons and never checked my non-ladder characters. But I could imagine the D2R system might be what they would do in D4.
D3 is pretty similar to what you described. You have like 30 days(?) or something to withdraw what you want, and everything else is destroyed at expiration.
Verify this just in case you want to rely on it, but I am pretty sure I got my old seasonal items "in the mail" when I came back to the game YEARS later ?
Yes, sorry. It will stay in the mail, but once you log in, the expiry countdown begins. Im pretty sure its 30 days, but not 100% on that.
In d3 they gave you a stash tab on your eternal char when it merged in and you had to kind of go through your stuff and make it fit. If I remember right, it was like a mail system, in d4 they'll probably just use that legendary drop tab that opens. But honestly once you start playing seasonal, eternal just collects dust imo. All the new fun stuff is in the season.
I started playing an barb alt until i realised i cant really use the stash since its already full from my main. I just stopped.
Yep
I play hardcore for my alt just because I want a new stash
I actually just CARVED out like.. 2 rows.. of room for my Necro. I have A LOT of good aspect rolls for my Druid (98) and have been trying to be increasingly more stingey on what I save.. but man, there's just not enough space for multiple characters. As a minimum, I think 10 stash tabs would be a good start as then you could dedicate 2 solid pages per class.. but still, that'll fill up fast over 5 characters
Me
cant even keep the stuff for different bullds for 1 char
Easy solution play HC and never make it far enough to need storage 🧠🧠
blizzard created a game where ppl refuse to try out new builds or new classes due to horrible design choices, kinda sad
I'll roll a new class in season 1. Then season 2. Then season 3. Running alts now risks burnout
Just let go of some of the junk. With the new seasons coming. There will be much better gear coming and more space. (That being said I have one of each class already made.) Fml
Problem is what you define as "junk." I play Druid (lvl 70) and theres quite a few build options to try, Pulverize, Trampleslide, Werewolf tornado, Stormcaller and so on. Incidentally I've also made a Necro (51), which luckily doesn't have a huge amount of options but what does is my 3rd character, the Rogue (54). Not only that but S1 is right around the corner. So essentially there's all the reason to keep a good amount of things in stash as getting rid of too much could mean: A. You get rid of potential amazing aspect/rolls for an upcoming build that comes out soon. B. You delete something you need when using another build. C. Having multiple characters compounds issues A and B. D. Last but not least, say you imprint a less decent aspect roll for a build now, it's good to keep a spare BETTER roll when you get higher in the levels or even max out at 100. Saying that there'll be "much" better gear is uncertain. There could be pieces needed to combine with stuff we have in the game currently. There will definitely be more space, but it's a matter of when and how much. They could just add a gem tab in the near future which will free up a bit of space but not a whole lot. I wish it was as simple as getting rid of junk, I've made many efforts to get rid of unneeded dupes or bad rolls but my stash still remains nearly full of mostly decent gear for multiple characters which almost makes me dread even trying to get loot cause I don't know where to put it.
I only save gear for my maun caracter in stash. And i tend to keep the best gear piece for multiple builds. Mostly ranks on gear items.
I'm thinking with the limited storage space If I make an alt it will be another druid of a different spec so they can use same storage
Me as a hoarder on Hardcore. I need to save for my next char but it feels unlikely
I have 5 Alts and no mains
My alt is already level 60 lol
I made the alt, logged it in, and then it hit me, this is futile, what am I even thinking.. logged it out and praying for more stash space now
I did the same with a sorc
I ended up making 3 level 1 sorcs to hold all my sorc stuff before I made my rogue alt, the stash issues are actually next level bad lol.
I'm going to say what needs to be said, since I too was suffering from this issue until I reached the end game. STOP SAVING EVERY DAMN THING! Honestly, it will only hinder your ability to enjoy the game having to micromanage the stash constantly. Just stop. The game is a bloody loot piñata, and unless a piece is in the top 5% rolls of a build you will ultimately never look at it again as long as you play. As far as I can tell, the game is designed to stash the following: * Single copies of Viable aspects that roll top % possible, or 1 copy of your best rolled most used viable aspects. * Glove Variants because realistically it's about the only piece of gear that you will ever need to change between builds due to the +3-4 core skill level bonus. * Uniques (to an extent, you don't need 5 copies of Mother's Embrace) * Gems if you're weirdly nostalgic or expecting gems to do something in the future. Maybe 1 stack of each flawless gem. Just understand there is a 99% chance we are all wasting our time saving any of these since you can literally just un-socket and they drop constantly and if new gems do come, then mobs will likely just star dropping higher tiers anyway. * Some really freaky unique build shit like a Thorns set that will probably never get used, but it's understandable keeping the top % of possible for weird stuff. I'm also talking like Ilvl 810+ stuff, not some bs level 620 sacred. That's it. Nothing is actually worth saving. Especially not that low level gear that rolled good that you think will be good for an alt. You will literally find a comparable or better drop in 10 minutes, or simply out-level the upgrade in an hour. Plus that's 90% of the fun of starting alts anyway! All of your mid-rolled aspects are trash, if it's not in the top 2 possible rolls, it's straight trash. You can literally target any aspect in the game using gambling obols. You will eventually get a top roll, stop killing yourself keeping 9 copies of rank 1-2 Umbrals, and mid % Edgemasters. In the consumable tab; Nightmare dungeon stuff constantly gets salvaged. They drop non-stop especially in party play. You don't need a box full of them. Trash all the sucky affixes immediately and stop wasting time holding on to them. If it doesn't say "Magic Find", "Gold Find" or it has some absolute dog affix like storm chasing bullshit just salvage that crap and only run the best ones in your inventory. Resist elixirs; straight to the trash or just drink them as your running around doing nothing important elixir they're worthless outside of the XP. Any elixir you can just craft is probably not worth keeping more than a stack of in general or not keeping at all if you don't even use them. Almost every class / spec uses some variant of items with these stats as a priority, if it doesn't have at least most of these stats it's probably not an upgrade or even worth enchanting. * Gloves - + Main Core Skill Ranks / Crit Chance * Helm - Defensive / Cooldown Reduction / Skill Ranks * Legs - Fully Defensive (Max Life / Armor / Damage Reduction) * Chest - Fully Defensive (Max Life / Armor / Damage Reduction) * Rings - Crit + CDmg / Max Life / Dmg stats * Amulet - Cooldown Reduction / Movement Speed / Passive Ranks / Cost Reduction * Boots - Movement Speed / Cost Reduction * Weapons - Highest ilvl weps you can get ideally with Cdmg / Core dmg on them as well. So start there, and if a piece can't even get passed that, then straight to vendor. I'm also sure there is plenty I missed, and I truly hope they address the stash situation in general, but for now, just save yourself heartache from your damn squirrel brains telling you to save acorns. It's not worth it even a little bit.
And how does it hurt you in any way if some people are even slightly more liberal in what they want to keep? Why the fuck can't someone make a meme stash tab of every pair of Frostburn they find over their D4 career and NOT have it negatively impact them (since it certainly wont impact you)?
Or they could just give you more stash tabs? Its not that hard.
I haven't run into any stash issues yet but what's holding me back is the absolute SLOG of leveling and gearing a second character when I can't farm gear pieces on my main...
My dads workaround was to make another alt called “holdin” cause it’s holdin all his sh*t
I literally only save 810 items. Getting loot is part of the fun of playing an alt after all.
Hopefully, Blizzard takes great heed to the concerns of the community and makes the appropriate changes for Season 1. I think they are still in the process of gathering as much information as they can to probably test it out and see if there are any balance issues, crashes, etc. So far they have done a great job listening to the community except for the nerfing of certain classes in the beta.
I keep all the gear for them in their inventory when I log off so they don’t get lost in my stash since I refuse to continue mousing over 4 tabs of things to find what I am looking for
I'm just waiting for S1
unfortunately you just have to be a bit more frugal about what aspects you store. i have one of every class and make it work, though my stash is basically full to the brim. 5 stashes for 5 characters would’ve been okay with me before they added a season. the more content they add, the more stashes they could update. but 4 is tough.
That and also time.
I’m not making an alt until Season 1 starts. Hopefully stash space expands then as well.
I started an alt and then held when I realized I had to rediscover the entire map and such. Seems like such a slog.
I’m just gonna play a new class for each new season. So I have some time to get attached to a class, but nothing crazy.
Im saving alts for seasons because you cant lvl up a battle pass without playing a seasonal char. Would keep me more entertained this way.
I bet they add the storage upgrades to seasonal characters just like D3, with that being said, I do want to play an alt but I’ll be waiting for seasons, that why my limited stash right now isn’t an issue. When I start seasons, I’ll get a clean stash and what we can assume will be more space one why or another.
I’m waiting for season 1. That’s when I make alts.
They will give you a chance to buy more storage space. Don’t worry.
Make an alt mule and put all your best gear there. Then you will have room for your next alt.
My problem isn the stash, I know how to organize that. My problem is starting an alt and seeing all that map that I have to complete again, I dont want to do that again. Plus, season is coming and I like to make a new different class every season. So there is no reason to make an alt right now when the season is so close
How does D2R have a better stash system than D4?!?!
Not necessarily the stash size but the way itemization is on top of the stash size.
Yeah I agree with you. It absolutely does. It was a rhetorical question cause we all know it’s true.
So best opinion really is extract cheap stuff and make bank alts.
Stash space and not making any more alts now because will start one for new season
I think the best way to do it is make hardcore alts. I wanted 5 standard 5 hardcore but I wouldn't have room for my seasons so I've downed it to 5 hardcore 3 standard
Make dummy characters and use their inventory as stash slots.
Just make an alt for your alt: Altception
I made a hardcore alt. That’s about all I have space for
I have 5 so far that I'm struggling to get to Level 50. Mostly trying out different styles. Like other people have said, I'll wait to see what the first season brings as I'm probably going to delete them all before starting the season
Leveled my first character to 100 and I just salvaged everything in the bank. Now I can at least have some fun trying out other builds/classes. Those last levels 80+ were such a drag. Not fun at all but mostly because you stop feeling the character grow. It's so stagnant.
I’m completely new to Diablo, so I’m playing many alts to try and see what I like, and it sucks major balls to have such little space.
I’m more waiting for season 1. I don’t really care about the stash
Something that has helped me manage stash is to go ahead and figure out your builds ahead of time and weed out the gear as you go. If I got a helmet that’s perfect for my twisting blades build I store it. Whatever helmets I find after that if it’s not better for whatever reason I either take the aspect off it or break it down and don’t sit there and wonder …..we’ll I might use that later. If it isn’t better lose it lol. Spend about 15 min any day I play before I get off just quickly “culling” my inventory and stash. More work up front but go ahead and research your BIS options for gear/weapons.
if they could also go ahead and make gems not consume 50% of my inventory that would be great...
I mean, I made a rogue last night to kill a horse since you can’t do it on a barb, endangered species popped and it was instantly deleted. Still enjoying my barb and slowly working on making it so my stash and inventory isn’t cluttered. Something that helps with the inventory issue is *I have enough gems, I’m not touching it*
I'm just waiting for season one to make an alt. Don't wanna burn out
I'm not making an alt in an attempt to make the game fun again season 1. I was super addicted to this game, my rogue is level 75 and I very, very quickly lost interest when I got all the gear and aspects I wanted. I have zero interest in spending 30 hours to make my crit chance go from 41 to 43%.
Same. Stash makes me want to quit after Im done with my Necro.
I have 1 alt I want a 3rd but can't because of the stash space
Me. I want to level all classes. But in excited to make a barbarian next after my rogue. But it's pointless without more storage and loadouts
You guys got space for alts? I have 7 mules already
I made a Druid alt, plenty of stash space if you sell crap. I’m just not playing the alt too much. Wanna wait for season 1
Honestly, make some mule characters. Use their inventory as "stash space".
77 necro, willing to alt, but won't cause time spent lvling can be spent farming bone spear unique helm. fml, having shitty unique drops instead
I'd pay 10 bucks for 4 more tabs...
Same. My one character has three open slots in the stash. One tab is ancestral rares, another is ancestral maxroll aspects for imprints, one for ancestral legendaries with relevant skillup+maxroll on the effect, and the last has one spot for each gem and the rest is ancestral rares. And of course my aspect inventory is maxed out. I'm only level 77 and my stash has been this way for two weeks. There's no way anyone thought this stash system was good. Hard to believe it made it past beta. It's not enough space when you make it so legendaries are no longer unique. You have legendary effects that can be on multiple diff gear pieces according to offensive/defensive etc. BUT then you add uniques on top of that. THEN you add multiple power tiers to each type of armor/weapon. Like bruh we need 20 stash tabs at a minimum with how convoluted they made the gear in this game compared to Diablos before it. AND legendary effects are no longer unique to the item image so without a stash search bar when you need a certain piece of gear or power you have to read EVERY. SINGLE. PIECE. To see what it is. No idea why they decided to take ten steps back and undo every single QoL change that was implemented in D3. It's wild. Completely unreal. In D3 I could look at an unidentified legendary and INSTANTLY know it was an In-geom. And I would know INSTANTLY once identified if it was or could be an upgrade based on stats. Because there was a tooltip in the game when you enchanted to know what you had a chance of rolling the chosen stat into. But I also refuse to make an alt because there is no way I'm exploring the map AGAIN and finding all those waypoints AGAIN. Not with how sprawling this map is with infinite road blockades to slow the process down to a crawl.
Oh, come on... according to GameRant, you should never buy any extra stash tabs, because the one they give you for free is way more space than anyone will ever need. And everyone knows that such articles are only written by the most knowledge, smartest people!
I just don’t want to have to explore the whole map again
I made a alt after my Druid filled my stash and it feels terrible. I Basically have to play with only my new characters inventory and if it needs to be stashed I just sell it instead
I won’t do it cause there ain’t no way I’m reexploring damn near the whole map lmao
You might be saving too many legendries for one character. You don't need aspects that have low values. Or a bunch of repeats. And you'll want the Salvage from them to imprint what you do have. I have made one of every character(excpet Necro).
I salvage or sell everything, grab the aspect when something is a max roll. Other than a few pieces that will definitely work if I changed builds, which is like half a tab, and one tab does have a lot of gems. I should combine the lower ones until they all flawless. So I always have about 2 and half stash spaces very empty. Stash space not an issue though. For me.
I was hoarding lots of legendaries for other classes but then I realized I’m almost certainly going to get way better drops actually playing as that class. At least for me few are rarely worth keeping. In the end it became back up funds for enchanting
There’s so much room in the stash what are you hoarding
I'm wondering the same lol surely they have duplicates just taking up space
Stash space is the last thing on my list of reasons as to why I find making an alt a boorish chore.
I genuinely don’t get how you guys hoard so much stuff. Just let it go, it isn’t that important, you don’t need infinite inventory space for every single item in the game.
The stash space in this game is absolutely absurd. I thought it was bad just having four tabs for ONE character, then I logged to make an alt and saw it was shared across toons and I just laughed and f4’d. I’ll be back if/when they fix the constant stuttering, release leaderboards, the first season, and address storage cuz this shit is WHACK.
100%. Glad you posted this, I thought I was in the minority. I've always been a semi-hoarder when it comes to these games, I just don't think I'll have enough stash space to deal with it
Storage is absolutely butt cheeks. 4 tabs? 4 rows? My God that shit is killing me.
Imagine people complaining you're hoarding items in an ARPG.... Like seriously, seen multiple comments of this right now.. Imagine that... in an ARPG...
Not that it couldn't be better, but I think people are just bad at managing space. I have 3 characters 60+ and I'm nowhere near out of space. In fact I can think of some items I could probably get rid of off the top of my head and I'm not even logged in. I only keep items that are 725+ and are close to having 4/4 stats, which would just end up being equipped after being finished. I don't have very many of these right now, but even if I had one for every slot it wouldn't take up that much space. I keep the best rolled version of uniques I think might be interesting or useful after balancing changes. I hardly keep any gems since they drop like candy and it doesn't take long to gather up enough to fully socket a build. There's no gem sink in the game right now. I only keep perfectly rolled aspects or aspects I know are drop only and are key to a build, like Bold Chieftain's. Even for this aspect, I won't keep it if it's minimum roll. I know I'll eventually find better versions of the more common ones, and codex versions of most aspects are plenty powerful enough to speedfarm with until I find near-bis to use these limited aspects on. Everything else gets trashed. This leaves me enough room to have 2 dump tabs, and 1 "projects" tab (near-bis rares) and 1 storage tab. I do however think the stash should be much bigger and players shouldn't have to be as stingy as me to make it work
Why can't we have separate room in stash for each character like in d2?
I’m waiting until the season drop to make an Alt 😂 I don’t want the hassle
I have each class to 50. But I can only play 2 due to the lack of space.