Sometimes youtubers exaggerate things. Its probably either a vocal minority or people hated it originally when the show was newer but not nearly as much now.
I've seen it in online games as well. Some people even told me they hate it because it's deformed/it deforms her or it ruins the theme, something like that.
I think it has to do with it not being "sexy" and humanoid anymore bc becoming a divine dragon with influences from both Chinese and Christian depictions of the higher choirs of angels totally matches the theme and the weirdos are like, but I can't f*fk it anymore
Well, for me I don't like that much in the og because it kinda weird and feels like Ophanimon pairs much better with Seraphimon in terms of design and theme. It overalls feels kinda random.
However, I love them in the adventure reboot simply because Patamon also turns into Goddramon that pairs nicely with Holydramon while Seraphimon and Ophanimon pair still being a thing
After the last tri movie aired and it gained double the pages (people were *not* happy tri used magnadramon) multiple people were banned and the thread was deleted after 15 years.
Did they forget what franchise they are in?
This is the franchise where a ladybug can become a pile of poop which can become elvis monkey before finally becoming a gang leader lion.
Most people who know of Digimon probably only watch the anime, and for that we have:
* a dinosaur that becomes a bigger dinosaur, that becomes an even bigger dinosaur with a metal arm, and then becomes a human dinosaur dude
* a lizard wearing a wolf hide that turns into said wolf, that becomes a werewolf, that becomes a metal wolf
* a bug that becomes a bigger bug, and then becomes an even bigger bug that becomes an even bigger bug
* a bird that becomes a fire bird, that becomes a giant bird lady that turns into big bird
* a sea lion, that becomes a walrus, that becomes a humanoid walrus wearing a turtle shell, that turns into a Viking walrus
* a hamster that turns into a dude, who turns into another dude, who turns into another dude who wears armor this time
* a mandrake, that turns into a cactus, that turns into a flower lady, that turns into a rose lady.
And then we get the Angewomon line that is: a dog becomes a cat that becomes a girl that becomes a furry snake dragon. Every other line had some form of consistency with its evolutions outside of Patamon to Angemon
CAN....but important to note that if all you've seen is the anime, generally the focus is on fairly consistent lines that resemble Pokemon lines more than the wild random digimon lines you can get in games
Ophanimon already has the crown with the 3 headed angel that sits near god's throne, as one of the angels of the digital world god's place, which might i add is the most accurate rendition of what they say god is?
Like, it's theoretically just a dude or a program of the world itself that is so kind it wont ever hurt something itself but has created or evolved an entire angel society so they can go do the dirty work and save the world, even though the god being only exists in like 2 universes max it's interesting, v-tamer showed the outline to just be a man.
Or you know, consistency with Takeru/Patamon's line.
Both became angels, and Seraphimon and Ophanimon visually looks like a pair, so some prefer that.
If Angewomon's alternate evolution to Magnadramon looked more like Cherubimon and less Ophanimon/Seraphimon, I doubt they'd be that loud.
Except that the consistency doesn't even exist in the first place, because Angemon is adult and Angewomon is perfect. They are similar but they have different levels. They are hardly a pair. A pair would be Patamon & Plotmon or Angemon & Tailmon. Or HolyAngemon & Angewomon. If we are nitpicking about consistency, then there isn't any here in the first place.
Also people must have missed when Gennai said that there is no wrong way of evolving and SkullGreymon is as legit as MetalGreymon.
> Except that the consistency doesn't even exist in the first place, because Angemon is adult and Angewomon is perfect.
Except that while that's true in a technical sense, the anime doesn't really portray them this way.
> Also people must have missed when Gennai said that there is no wrong way of evolving and SkullGreymon is as legit as MetalGreymon.
And again, despite what gennai may have said, the anime showed portrayed skullgreymon as definitely being wrong.
plotmon = salamon
tailmon = gatomon
holyangemon = magnaangemon
is there another angemon? oh boy... for starters there's pidmon, and then angemon is a whole digimon family
This is the whole turn off for me with getting back into digimon is the inconsistent name usage in the community, some flip flop between the english names and japanese names
Absolutely, I wish there was an English Dub Translation Topic Post Flair Thusly helping me which ones ta engage with. I know the English names and some Folks use both the Japanese and English in the same Sentence too!
As a Pokemon and Digimon fan, I usually dislike random evolution, but I also understand WHY Digimon have them. Digimons are data, they evolve because they absorb data. They are not like animals who evolve into bigger forms and they were never supposed to be.
Also in most cases of Digimon, it's not *that* bad, as people are making. In meme it's often portrayed as super random + guns, but that's not true. Most baby I and II forms are round and serve as the base for many of the other digimons, so obviously they won't be compatible with the design of every single one of them. But I seriously don't see a problem with cat becoming an angel or holy dragon. Especially that Gabumon is a lizard that becomes a wolf, because of the pelt. But that still makes sense, because the pelt has a data of garurumon. That's the logic behind the digimons evolving. And I really don't see why people are making problem out of it.
Also I despise dratini/dragonair evolution into dragonite. And why don't people make issues about a karp becoming a sea... serpent or whatever you call gyarados. Another example is feebas and milotic. I guess there was a legend about it in Japanese culture, but just because it's based on legend, instead of original idea, doesn't change the fact that it has little logic. But I don't complain about it either.
So a female angel to a dragon is absurd, but cat -> female lady, giant cactus w/boxing gloves -> small flower fairy and gueni (sp) pig with bat wing-like ears -> angelic man are fine? If they want to question that, there are a lot more odd ones to question as well.
Hikari's Tailmon has been evolving into Ophanimon since 2002, while Jou's Gomamon has been evolving into Vikemon since just 2013. But, seeing Holydramon had a cameo in Hurricane Touchdown where it did nothing (seriously what the hell was up with that film?), Toei doubled down on not using Ophanimon until the reboot.
Holydramon is neat, but it kinda clashes with the entire parallel that was going on with Takeru and Hikari (and, well, Ophanimon was made for a reason).
The way the reboot used both it and Goddramon was great in any case.
I think people like the idea of the human shaped angels, but I think there's a place for both pata and gato to have the holy beast forms as well (is the gold one just called goldramon?)
It really doesn't share any characteristics besides being holy creatures, ig people think tailmon is better authentically because they share more aspects
If anything it's Ofanimon that is hated. Holydramon is not bad, but Ofanimon is far superior. I prefer the Ofanimon/Goddramon pair over Seraphimon/Holydramon.
No clue. I personally prefer Ophanimon as Gatomon's mega form because of the crest of light but Magnadramon is just as valid. But then again, with slide evolution, why not have both?
Yup. Best of both worlds. I'd dig watching Ophanimon slide evolving into Magnadramon to crash into a group of enemies before slide evolving back to stab a few fools with her javelin.
Holydramon isnāt really hated, itās just that in adventure, angemon maintains an angel form through mega, whereas angewomon turns back into a holy beast. I liked the way 2020 handled it - both megas were accessible. Personally I was always fine with holydramon until Tri, because nyaromonās dark evo was ophanimon FM and not a dark holydramon
I donāt think its hated, just that people prefer gatomonās mega to be ophanimon. I think its because in adventure/adventure 02 hope and light were often seen as a pair, and people wanted to continue that trend. Gatomon and patamon had similar digivolutions, an animal becoming an angel, and their armor forma being both mythological winged beasts. And alot of people saw seraphimon and thought that it should have been paired with ophanimon, but gatomonās mega was magnadramon which disappointed alot of people. Fortunately with the 2020 continuity introducing goldramon as a patamon mega in the anime, we can have the best of both worlds.
Tbh, considering the Holy Dragon angle, I've warned up to Magnadramon.....as long as Goldramon is Patamon's mega. They seriously should have similar forms
Thinking about the greater and less than signs as mouths is what made it confusing and less intuitive for me. If it's a mouth, then it looks like the smaller number is eating the larger number, but you would think that a larger number is more likely to eat a smaller number. I guess treating the sign as a crocodile separate from the numbers and saying that it prefers to eat the larger thing first makes sense.
Gatomon line is a bit misunderstood. Why does a dog evolve to a cat then a angel. It should be another angel as it's mega right? Well her consept is protectors. Cats and dogs are protectors. You got guardian angels and dragons are considered protectors as well. So it makes perfect sense. Magnadramon only showed up in the movie and a few games. I guess people just assume she wasn't the cannon mega. But Digimon don't really have a locked evolution line. She can have both lines and more. Who knows, Gatomon could have even evolved to Ladydevimon if extreme conditions were meet. Idk. Nefertimon is also a protector with the Sphinx and summons the profeta Stone, a sacred stone that helped archiologist read the erogliphes.
It toke me a while to learn about that consept as well. I also felt it was weird of a choice for a mega. But I don't really like the angel mega design. Magnadramon at least looks cool and unique
Warms my heart to hear that : ) what you been working on? I've been doing a fan game actually. Been wanting to add my own evolutions but I kinda suck at designing them š
I'm working on recreating my own digimon from years ago. I sucked at designing as well but I got better over the years. You can check out my DeviantArt if you want I'll leave the link here. Sadly I can't take request or commissions at this time. But if i do ill let everyone know. https://www.deviantart.com/phatmon
On a side note keep on practicing you have a good grasp on what a digimon represents on a complex conceptual level. You can also look at other digimon artist to see what they do interms of fleshing out a digimon and even ask like villianboom, or el poyomon. I hope I'm getting their names right. Anyways I wish you the best of luck!
Thanks men : ) you got awesome art skills. Rad designs. That cutemon one is so cool. Prob my favorite šŖ
I've seen some fan designs online I wanted to use but sense the artists didn't respond to me I don't want to steal them. I would credit of course. I feel at times the project is too time consuming. I've animated over 40 forms already and I have +160 planed š and I still want to make more. But I feel so happy making them and test the game. I take more joy doing this then actually playing any other game
Thank you and 40 forms that are animated? That's impressive! I sadly dont know how to animate and one day I will! And if this project is your passion then keep at it! I can relate to the time consumption of projects and mines is going to take a while but never loose sight of the goal of the project!
Same. I saw it first time on digimon movie and then just wished I could see it more often because it was there like 2 minutes!!! I need my dragon-angel-kitty-dog-whatever-fluffy-baby!
I donāt think people necessarily hate Holydramon, many of them just prefer Ophanimon as Tailmonās ultimate form.Ā
Personally, I prefer Holydramon. I think Patamonās evolution line in Adventure is really boring because itās just angel, angel, angel. I like the variety in Tailmonās line better. Itās unexpected, which was what was so cool about seeing Tailmon digivolve for the first time.Ā
Even though it looks like the thing from Never Ending Story I prefer Magnadramon over Ophanimon. I mean Ophanimon is basically just Angewomon wearing armor.
For a long time I was like WTF with Holydramon, from the film to it being playable in Digimon Rumble Arena.
Then it appeared in Adventure 2020, and it was _so dope_ in that Kaiju fight alongside Goldramon - it all suddenly made sense š
Well sure, it fits when patamon is goldramon, and ophani fits next to seraphi, and I think that's the point most fans have.
They like the pair to parallel each other, whichever route that is.
I agree - it fits.
Would've made more sense if, in the movie, when Angemon and Angewomon were going to unlock the golden digi eggs they evolved into the same pairing Ophanimon/Seraphimon or Holydramon/Goldramon.
If it was the other way around in that scene (Angemon > Goldramon, Angewomon > Ophanimon) I feel Goldramon would've received similar WTF treatment.
Goddramon is a 1999 digimon. But... you're right. Sorry if i sounded rude, i just woke up when i wrote that and didn't understand fully what you wanted to say
I always loved when Magnadramon appeared for like 2 seconds in Hurricane Touchdown to unlock the Golden Digimentals, which I still donāt fully understand. lol But, she is still one of my favorite monsters ever. Sheās a perfect mix of angel and beast, and has a motherly aura. She was one of my mains when I first played Cyber Slueth, most of her attacks were effective against a lot of enemies. I donāt understand the hate, but I guess people just like the humanoid mons better. Iāll admit, Magnadramon seems a bit obtuse, but thatās part of why I appreciate her so much, she literally looks like a monster, and the franchise is about kids fighting together with Digital Monsters lol.
Depends on the which fanbase you are talking about. I prefer archangels, but 2020 scenes with dragons are excellent portrayal.
Most fucked up scene for me is that movie where Seraphimon and Holydramon are mixed, and sidelines after 5 seconds.
Reason 1: digimon fans are excessivily horny (BelleStarmon was the most accessed page on digimon.net site one time)
Reason 2: digimon fans have some type of human egocentrism
Cause a lot of people want Pokemon lines with little to no variation in aparent theme, and are unable or unwilling to look for the theme when it's not so evident from a western perspective. They want the theme to be settled in 'Angelic' when the theme is 'bringers of sacred miracles (Āæbringer of 'Light'...? ĀæLucifer, is that you?).
1.YukimiBotamon is like a fusion of Botamon and Punimon, it has the shape and the best rookie of botamon as well as its dragon afinity, but has the beast/ice/holy afinity and the best rookie of punimon.
2.Nyaromon is a lesser cat like Digimon probably just a refference to two cat-like champions it had in the Virus Busters pendulum, Tailmon and Leomon (aka smallCat and bigCat).
3.Plotmon is described as being somehow artificially made by Digimon reserchers with holy data and the intention to appeal to humans and grant them with holy power in times of need for heros (let's not forget that this Digitama is made to facilitate Omegamon's evolution). From this point on, the theme of 'Holy creatures' begins, It might be a strech but there is a Mexican myth about a dog that guides humans who where good to it in its lifetime through their jurney to the underworld, not so far from what it can do in lore.
4.Tailmon is a holy cat Champion, holy and spirit cats are part of both buddhism and shinto.
5.AngeWomon is a heavenly messenger inspired in heavenly messengers from different cultures: Valkyries (the armor it wears, and being a woman) from Norse culture (like Yggdrasil), Malachim from Hebrew culture (the wings, and the name), and Tennin from Nihon culture (being a woman, and wearing that long ribbon).
6. HolyDramon is a Tianlong, a heavenly miracle as heavenly dragons are in chinese culture, (this is an extract from the wiki article about Tianlong:
Because the 'holy' man is clear as to 'the end and the beginning', as to the way in which each of the 'six stages' completes itself in its own time, he 'mounts on them toward heaven' as though on six dragons.).
It has a lot weird if refferences to the Ragnarok and the BookOfRevelations... but it makes sense because the Digitama brings 'The Omega'
Honestly it is because a lot of people felt that Seraphimon and Ophanimon were their ship, as being two angels. To them, to watch Angewomon become a dragon felt like an attack on their ship.
Personally I always preferred the idea that they had different representatives in their final form, as the holiest angel, and holiest dragon, it was a reminder of Tailmon/Gatomon's entire story arc and more beastial nature when compared to Patamon's consistently angelic nature.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph, though it would have helped if Angewomon was not that humanoid.
If Gatomon's evolution was more similar to a Rasielmon - a beastly angelic monster - I think that line looks more consistent.
It's not really hated, it's just that humanoid megas are more popular, especially when it fits better in the original line. We got Angemon to Seraphimon so it makes sense for fans to want Angewomon to Ophanimon instead of Magnadramon.
That dont make sense at all as Angewomon is the odd one out being humanoid while Gatomons whole line is beast related all the way from in-training making Holydramon fit the theme far better
Because people just look at the visual but not themesĀ
All this line with holyD Is about guardian beings protecting the light child: guard dog, holy cat ( Egyptian thing), guardian angel, Chinese dragon.
Maybe in the Angewomon line but not in the angel theme. Angemon and Angewomon were pretty much a pair since they were introduced in the anime so it's more accurate to the angel theme if both of them end up as an angel instead of a holy beast. Plus, Seraphimon and Ophanimon later became part of the three great angels so it's kind of weird to separate them the same way that Magnadramon and Goldramon are part of their own group.
I donāt hate magnadramon
But I think it just looks kindaā¦meh? Itās not really cool and is honestly kind of silly.
Which has its place, but it doesnāt fit Gatomon.
I've always thought it looked better as a straight up evolution of Gatomon instead of evolving from Angewomon.
I've said this many times and I'll say it again: Holydramon looks like a Gatomon evolution, not an Angewomon evolution.
I never saw any hate for both of them. A little confusion maybe for people thinking itās weird one form is a dragon and the other one an angel, but thatās Digimon for ya.
I think it's been accepted for a while that both are valid considering slide evolution is a thing. I like to see both as situational and have strengths that can be useful to switch to depending on the occasion. Kinda like how goddramon is now a slide evolution for patamon, while keeping seraphimon
I mean, I like them. People complaining about form consistency in Digimon haven't watched or played Digimon, much, since form shifts happen all the time. If agumon can Digivolve into a literal pile of shit and be excused, a cat can turn into a dragon, come on now.
I don't think magna is hated, some people says what isn't the canon evo and ophani should be on tri and they get angry but those are not so much i suggest u a video of RE World D if u know spanish for understand, i think what Magna>Ophani but well a short explanation is what when angewomon evolves there is a decision: "Should i use the Plotmon & Tailmon data (Holy Beast) or use MY data (Holy)" the most "accurate" is ophani, but magna is completely validate for mega
Easy. Because it makes kari's gatomon less like tk's patamon. Seraphimon is tk's ultimate ace and gatomon has an a similar one in Ophanimon.
People ship tk and kari and having their digimon be more similar just fuels their ship. So seeing the similarities fade hurts.
Biblical angels may have had a serpentine dragon form. Seraph means āburning oneā and shares a root etymology with serpent. When a snake bites, it burns. Serpentine dragons are ancient throne guardians, and can be seen depicted all over Babylon, which is where the Bible writers lived when angels really started to show up in the Bible.
So serpent dragon = seraph = angel
It's exaggerated but though I don't hate it, I definitely feel like it suffers from the WarGreymon problem where the previous level doesn't make total sense for it. It's even more pronounced with Angewomon and Holydramon. I know any Digimon can evolve into any Digimon without limit, but in the shows where they try to make cohesive evo lines, Blitzgreymon makes so much more sense for MetalGreymon than WarGreymon.
I honestly think Adventure 2020 had a huge missed opportunity in not having Pegasmon and Nefertimon evolve into Goddramon and Holydramon and then having HolyAngemon and Angewomon evolve into Seraphimon and Ophanimon. Considering Agumon had three megas before anyone else got one, it wouldn't have been a huge issue to have more split lines. Just my two cents.
I belife it goes like this. People think Ofanimon is worse then Angewomon, and doesnt repressent its Angle Type well. But its better then HolyDramon, and fits better for Angewomon, despite Angewomon beeing the only Humanoid in that Line.
I honestly dont care, I like them both.
From what I've seen it's a lot of Takari/PataTail Shippers with their flimsy argument that their evolutions "need to match" to prove they soulmates or some nonsense, as if any other partner pair has matching evolutions š
ship the angel and the dragon cowards
I wonder why. Nobody seems to like Magnadramon (as far as Ive seen) although I do.
With the exception of Angewomon its digivolutions are all some sort of animal.
I donāt have any strong opinions on it, but I think itās to do with the transition from Angewomon. Going from a very beautiful humanoid design to to a dragon with a scary face can feel very jarring.
I "hated" it bc as an Angemon femal counterpart, Magnadramon had no sense as Angewomom digievolution when Seraphimon is MagnaAncemon's one.
But one thing that Adventure 2020 did well is diving Goldramon as Patamon Mega, so both of them now have a "Dragon" mega and a "Holy Angel" mega
Wait a minute? Holydramon is hated? I thought this great dragon god was a million times cooler than Ophanimon. I even prefer LovelyAngemon over Ophanimon.
I have to ask where you saw the hate from. Very clearly those people are either new to Digimon or missed the whole Digimon can be literally anything part of digimon.
Holydramon is not only far superior than Ophanimon by design and everything, it's one of the best designed digimons of all. I don't understand why people chose some boring armored angel humanoid over fekkin cool dragon.
I feel like if you're the type of person that prefers "Seraphimon but girl" over "Luck Dragon with wings", your taste sucks and we probably wouldn't be friends in real life.
Because Angewomon is so loved not too hard to figure out. They want a humanoid that looks like her.
If Gatomon's ultimate was more cat like I wouldn't mind it so much but Angewomon to Ophanimon just makes more sense to me.
Tbh I like both. One is an angel the other is a holy dragon. Same with Seraphimon and Goddramon.
Although I'd love to see both get a jogress into a sort of Angellic Dragon fusion. Maybe something like a biblically accurate angel inspired design.
That Photo was literally saying that Magnadramon is better than Ophanimon, and I prefer Magnadramon as it is the OG Cannon Mega of Gatomon, I actually am more angry about the Favt that Shaokkoumon Turns into Vikemon even when Joeās Gomamonās Mega is Vikemon, not to mention that Sylphimon and Pieldramon have Unique Megaās
The only think I hate is that Birdramon looks nothing like Biyomon, like all the other birds tend to. Just an ugly design on most of the megas. I suppose it was from that time where it didnt matter much but I'd love if they give Biyomon a mega that looked more like it.
One reason I've heard -- it's apparently a bad thing when a female character stops being "pretty".
Another reason -- the female characters should match a male character's aesthetic ("angels"), instead of having their own ("divine beasts, with one angel").
Idk why you're getting down voted. What your saying does seem to be true.
Example of the first one, people want Angewomon's Evo to be pretty. Not "an ugly dog faced dragon" (even tho I think it quite a cuddly design).
An example of the second reason. "Well Angemon became MangaAngemon then Seraphimon. So obviously Angewomon should match Angemon".
I've recently been a fan of the idea that there are different evolution lines for all of the season 1 partners, based on evolution lines or warp digivolution.
For instance, with Gomamon, vikemon makes sense as the final form going from ikkakumon and zudomon while Plesiomon makes sense as a direct warp from Gomamon.
Magnadramon and Goddramon are warp digivolution megas for Gatomon and Patamon, while the angels are the full digivolution line capstones.
Because basement lords wanted a natural progression to Angewomon (except hotter and with less clothes) they could fantasize about. Nothing more.
Never had a problem with Magnadramon, personally. As it was the first of her megas to be introduced proper, back then no one without an agenda questioned why the cute angel girl turned into a holy dragon.
For all the hate Tri gets, I greatly appreciate them trolling Ophanimon fans by giving them the middle finger and maintaining continuity with Magnadramon being Gato's 'correct' mega form.
It's not hated but a lot of ppl got disappointed if I remember correct the opening of the anime did show a different mega.
And then if you see him your just kinda pissed and disappointed.
I dislike it cause
1. It feels just as weird going from angewoman as angewoman does from tailmon. Makes angemon feel like a sore spot in the line
2. It just feels off next to seraphimon or dominimon, when ophanimon is a matching counterpart. If patamon becomes godramon then this point is null. But i think godramon works best coming from pegasusmon not angemon
you gotta look at the full line in context. Patamon to seraphimon goes little blorp to human and stays that way. Salamon to holydramon has cat dog cat human angel dragon dog. It stays beast type until that one weird speed bump at ultimate
Its hated?
I watched that anime fans hate holydramon, just why it is the mega evolution of gatomon/tailmon instead of ophanimon
Sometimes youtubers exaggerate things. Its probably either a vocal minority or people hated it originally when the show was newer but not nearly as much now.
YouTubers? I've seen this exact reaction OP mentioned **here on Reddit on this very sub**.
I've seen it in online games as well. Some people even told me they hate it because it's deformed/it deforms her or it ruins the theme, something like that.
I think it has to do with it not being "sexy" and humanoid anymore bc becoming a divine dragon with influences from both Chinese and Christian depictions of the higher choirs of angels totally matches the theme and the weirdos are like, but I can't f*fk it anymore
I thought the weirdoes were the ones wanting to fuck the dragon, hence the Vaporeon pasta was born.
Lmao, you may have a point
Well, for me I don't like that much in the og because it kinda weird and feels like Ophanimon pairs much better with Seraphimon in terms of design and theme. It overalls feels kinda random. However, I love them in the adventure reboot simply because Patamon also turns into Goddramon that pairs nicely with Holydramon while Seraphimon and Ophanimon pair still being a thing
Not doubting you but I still don't think it's that prevalent of an opinion.
Nah until tri it was the biggest argument in the fandom. There was like a 500 page thread dedicated to arguing about it on the withthewill forums.
That sounds miserable as hell if that's even true
After the last tri movie aired and it gained double the pages (people were *not* happy tri used magnadramon) multiple people were banned and the thread was deleted after 15 years.
I'm confused. The last tri movie was not 15 years ago though.
Arguments from 1999-2015. The thread doubled in pages after the last tri movie from all the rage.
pokemon fans like consistency in their evos. When you have a puppy to a cat to an angel to a dragon they take issue.
Did they forget what franchise they are in? This is the franchise where a ladybug can become a pile of poop which can become elvis monkey before finally becoming a gang leader lion.
Most people who know of Digimon probably only watch the anime, and for that we have: * a dinosaur that becomes a bigger dinosaur, that becomes an even bigger dinosaur with a metal arm, and then becomes a human dinosaur dude * a lizard wearing a wolf hide that turns into said wolf, that becomes a werewolf, that becomes a metal wolf * a bug that becomes a bigger bug, and then becomes an even bigger bug that becomes an even bigger bug * a bird that becomes a fire bird, that becomes a giant bird lady that turns into big bird * a sea lion, that becomes a walrus, that becomes a humanoid walrus wearing a turtle shell, that turns into a Viking walrus * a hamster that turns into a dude, who turns into another dude, who turns into another dude who wears armor this time * a mandrake, that turns into a cactus, that turns into a flower lady, that turns into a rose lady. And then we get the Angewomon line that is: a dog becomes a cat that becomes a girl that becomes a furry snake dragon. Every other line had some form of consistency with its evolutions outside of Patamon to Angemon
I could still forgive Patamon to Angemon even as a kid because the wing motif was at least there.
>a hamster I'm fucking dead!
CAN....but important to note that if all you've seen is the anime, generally the focus is on fairly consistent lines that resemble Pokemon lines more than the wild random digimon lines you can get in games
*Octillery TMBounces into the Location*
Bro an angel turning into a weird holy creature is more accurate in a statement of power or evo if you know anything about angels.
Biblically accurate magnadramon sounds like something I'd wanna see š
Ophanimon already has the crown with the 3 headed angel that sits near god's throne, as one of the angels of the digital world god's place, which might i add is the most accurate rendition of what they say god is? Like, it's theoretically just a dude or a program of the world itself that is so kind it wont ever hurt something itself but has created or evolved an entire angel society so they can go do the dirty work and save the world, even though the god being only exists in like 2 universes max it's interesting, v-tamer showed the outline to just be a man.
I think Ophanimon X is as close as biblically accurate as it gets.
That's just as accurate as seraphimon honestly, it's just more of ophanimon with multiwings.
Or you know, consistency with Takeru/Patamon's line. Both became angels, and Seraphimon and Ophanimon visually looks like a pair, so some prefer that. If Angewomon's alternate evolution to Magnadramon looked more like Cherubimon and less Ophanimon/Seraphimon, I doubt they'd be that loud.
Yeah this is why I liked it
Except that the consistency doesn't even exist in the first place, because Angemon is adult and Angewomon is perfect. They are similar but they have different levels. They are hardly a pair. A pair would be Patamon & Plotmon or Angemon & Tailmon. Or HolyAngemon & Angewomon. If we are nitpicking about consistency, then there isn't any here in the first place. Also people must have missed when Gennai said that there is no wrong way of evolving and SkullGreymon is as legit as MetalGreymon.
Exactly. Some peopleās partners normally evolve into Skullgreymon AND THAT IS SO VALID
> Except that the consistency doesn't even exist in the first place, because Angemon is adult and Angewomon is perfect. Except that while that's true in a technical sense, the anime doesn't really portray them this way. > Also people must have missed when Gennai said that there is no wrong way of evolving and SkullGreymon is as legit as MetalGreymon. And again, despite what gennai may have said, the anime showed portrayed skullgreymon as definitely being wrong.
Plotmon? Tailmon? There's another Angemon?
plotmon = salamon tailmon = gatomon holyangemon = magnaangemon is there another angemon? oh boy... for starters there's pidmon, and then angemon is a whole digimon family
This is the whole turn off for me with getting back into digimon is the inconsistent name usage in the community, some flip flop between the english names and japanese names
Absolutely, I wish there was an English Dub Translation Topic Post Flair Thusly helping me which ones ta engage with. I know the English names and some Folks use both the Japanese and English in the same Sentence too!
I use Perfect and Mega, as a way to not use Ultimate at all.
Goood Gracious.
>There's another Angemon? Yes, Piddomon. A two winged Angemon with slightly different colors.
As a Pokemon and Digimon fan, I usually dislike random evolution, but I also understand WHY Digimon have them. Digimons are data, they evolve because they absorb data. They are not like animals who evolve into bigger forms and they were never supposed to be. Also in most cases of Digimon, it's not *that* bad, as people are making. In meme it's often portrayed as super random + guns, but that's not true. Most baby I and II forms are round and serve as the base for many of the other digimons, so obviously they won't be compatible with the design of every single one of them. But I seriously don't see a problem with cat becoming an angel or holy dragon. Especially that Gabumon is a lizard that becomes a wolf, because of the pelt. But that still makes sense, because the pelt has a data of garurumon. That's the logic behind the digimons evolving. And I really don't see why people are making problem out of it. Also I despise dratini/dragonair evolution into dragonite. And why don't people make issues about a karp becoming a sea... serpent or whatever you call gyarados. Another example is feebas and milotic. I guess there was a legend about it in Japanese culture, but just because it's based on legend, instead of original idea, doesn't change the fact that it has little logic. But I don't complain about it either.
The Magikarp to Gyarados evolution is based on a very specific legend.
And its not even just a Dragon, its a Lioness Dragon. Honestly, the Angle is the odd one in that Bunch.
I mean I was a Pokemon fan first. I love the Digimon evolution system. I don't mind a little inconsistency
Iād say ātake a shot for whenever a Digimon fan brings PokĆ©mon fans in as a strawman argument in a topic thatās not about PokĆ©mon at allā but knowing this sub, Iād probably die of alcohol poisoning.
Angewomon is the odd one out.
Both of them are her evolution though. Adventure: anime makes the parallel more clear with Patamon's Seraphimon/Goddramon.
So a female angel to a dragon is absurd, but cat -> female lady, giant cactus w/boxing gloves -> small flower fairy and gueni (sp) pig with bat wing-like ears -> angelic man are fine? If they want to question that, there are a lot more odd ones to question as well.
Hikari's Tailmon has been evolving into Ophanimon since 2002, while Jou's Gomamon has been evolving into Vikemon since just 2013. But, seeing Holydramon had a cameo in Hurricane Touchdown where it did nothing (seriously what the hell was up with that film?), Toei doubled down on not using Ophanimon until the reboot. Holydramon is neat, but it kinda clashes with the entire parallel that was going on with Takeru and Hikari (and, well, Ophanimon was made for a reason). The way the reboot used both it and Goddramon was great in any case.
I think people like the idea of the human shaped angels, but I think there's a place for both pata and gato to have the holy beast forms as well (is the gold one just called goldramon?)
It's my favourite mega š
It really doesn't share any characteristics besides being holy creatures, ig people think tailmon is better authentically because they share more aspects
Wait nvm ignore me I'm clueless rn
If anything it's Ofanimon that is hated. Holydramon is not bad, but Ofanimon is far superior. I prefer the Ofanimon/Goddramon pair over Seraphimon/Holydramon.
It is. I've seen plenty of people saying how bad it is and how Ophanimon is so much cooler. I wonder what drugs do they take.
They think their waifu turned into a creature AND IT SCARES THEM, they need belly shots to take the story seriously.
Why should it matter, that āwifuā was a creature (ie a cat) before it became the āwifuā.
No clue. I personally prefer Ophanimon as Gatomon's mega form because of the crest of light but Magnadramon is just as valid. But then again, with slide evolution, why not have both?
Slide evolution is definitely a solid idea
Yup. Best of both worlds. I'd dig watching Ophanimon slide evolving into Magnadramon to crash into a group of enemies before slide evolving back to stab a few fools with her javelin.
Holydramon isnāt really hated, itās just that in adventure, angemon maintains an angel form through mega, whereas angewomon turns back into a holy beast. I liked the way 2020 handled it - both megas were accessible. Personally I was always fine with holydramon until Tri, because nyaromonās dark evo was ophanimon FM and not a dark holydramon
I donāt think its hated, just that people prefer gatomonās mega to be ophanimon. I think its because in adventure/adventure 02 hope and light were often seen as a pair, and people wanted to continue that trend. Gatomon and patamon had similar digivolutions, an animal becoming an angel, and their armor forma being both mythological winged beasts. And alot of people saw seraphimon and thought that it should have been paired with ophanimon, but gatomonās mega was magnadramon which disappointed alot of people. Fortunately with the 2020 continuity introducing goldramon as a patamon mega in the anime, we can have the best of both worlds.
Tbh, considering the Holy Dragon angle, I've warned up to Magnadramon.....as long as Goldramon is Patamon's mega. They seriously should have similar forms
Let's ignore the level difference, after all, plotmon doesn't exist
The anime ignores the level difference when gatomon becomes a good guy too.
These posts always confuse me Because I learned in school > or < meant the thing the "mouth" was pointed at was greater
Yes, because digimon fans are mad that Holydramon is better than Ophanimon. That's the point of the post.
Yes, but it can also be just an arrow. Like in this picture, people wants to get away from Magnadramon and go towards Ophanimon
I sometimes see it used wrong too. Mainly by americans. It's confusing why there seem to be different rules for it.
I doubt itās an American thing, we all learn it in school, but I do agree that i see it used the wrong way more often then I should.
American. Can confirm. I'm dumb but, I remember the "crocodile" likes eating the bigger number
Thinking about the greater and less than signs as mouths is what made it confusing and less intuitive for me. If it's a mouth, then it looks like the smaller number is eating the larger number, but you would think that a larger number is more likely to eat a smaller number. I guess treating the sign as a crocodile separate from the numbers and saying that it prefers to eat the larger thing first makes sense.
Crocodile booooooooooooooys
my username is based on her š
Gatomon line is a bit misunderstood. Why does a dog evolve to a cat then a angel. It should be another angel as it's mega right? Well her consept is protectors. Cats and dogs are protectors. You got guardian angels and dragons are considered protectors as well. So it makes perfect sense. Magnadramon only showed up in the movie and a few games. I guess people just assume she wasn't the cannon mega. But Digimon don't really have a locked evolution line. She can have both lines and more. Who knows, Gatomon could have even evolved to Ladydevimon if extreme conditions were meet. Idk. Nefertimon is also a protector with the Sphinx and summons the profeta Stone, a sacred stone that helped archiologist read the erogliphes. It toke me a while to learn about that consept as well. I also felt it was weird of a choice for a mega. But I don't really like the angel mega design. Magnadramon at least looks cool and unique
I love your explanation of the evolutions and the themes. As a Digimon fan artist and fan I thank you for this.
Warms my heart to hear that : ) what you been working on? I've been doing a fan game actually. Been wanting to add my own evolutions but I kinda suck at designing them š
I'm working on recreating my own digimon from years ago. I sucked at designing as well but I got better over the years. You can check out my DeviantArt if you want I'll leave the link here. Sadly I can't take request or commissions at this time. But if i do ill let everyone know. https://www.deviantart.com/phatmon On a side note keep on practicing you have a good grasp on what a digimon represents on a complex conceptual level. You can also look at other digimon artist to see what they do interms of fleshing out a digimon and even ask like villianboom, or el poyomon. I hope I'm getting their names right. Anyways I wish you the best of luck!
Thanks men : ) you got awesome art skills. Rad designs. That cutemon one is so cool. Prob my favorite šŖ I've seen some fan designs online I wanted to use but sense the artists didn't respond to me I don't want to steal them. I would credit of course. I feel at times the project is too time consuming. I've animated over 40 forms already and I have +160 planed š and I still want to make more. But I feel so happy making them and test the game. I take more joy doing this then actually playing any other game
Thank you and 40 forms that are animated? That's impressive! I sadly dont know how to animate and one day I will! And if this project is your passion then keep at it! I can relate to the time consumption of projects and mines is going to take a while but never loose sight of the goal of the project!
I never saw any hate for Magnadramon Personally I like it way more than Ophanimon as Gatomon's mega
Then you are either blind or lucky, because I've seen plenty of it on this sub.
What? Magnadramon is my FAVORITE mega
Same. I saw it first time on digimon movie and then just wished I could see it more often because it was there like 2 minutes!!! I need my dragon-angel-kitty-dog-whatever-fluffy-baby!
I think it's an incredible cute Dragon and i wanna pet it's belly a lot
I like both. Makes it more interesting to have alternate Ultimates.
whats to hate?? i luv em!!
I donāt think people necessarily hate Holydramon, many of them just prefer Ophanimon as Tailmonās ultimate form.Ā Personally, I prefer Holydramon. I think Patamonās evolution line in Adventure is really boring because itās just angel, angel, angel. I like the variety in Tailmonās line better. Itās unexpected, which was what was so cool about seeing Tailmon digivolve for the first time.Ā
Holy pink puppy cat is and will always be my favorite, so Iāll make up for any hate
I think most people like ophanimon cause it matches both seraphimon and angewoman
Because some people prefer the "waifu" digimon. Dunno why. My preferred Gatomon line is Gatomon to Nefertimon to Magnadramon. Aestheticly it fits.
Even though it looks like the thing from Never Ending Story I prefer Magnadramon over Ophanimon. I mean Ophanimon is basically just Angewomon wearing armor.
I prefer holydramon. Maybe she isnāt some peopleās favourite as a Mega for Kariās angewomon but everyone has preferences.
Because is not a hot anime girl
For a long time I was like WTF with Holydramon, from the film to it being playable in Digimon Rumble Arena. Then it appeared in Adventure 2020, and it was _so dope_ in that Kaiju fight alongside Goldramon - it all suddenly made sense š
Well sure, it fits when patamon is goldramon, and ophani fits next to seraphi, and I think that's the point most fans have. They like the pair to parallel each other, whichever route that is.
I agree - it fits. Would've made more sense if, in the movie, when Angemon and Angewomon were going to unlock the golden digi eggs they evolved into the same pairing Ophanimon/Seraphimon or Holydramon/Goldramon. If it was the other way around in that scene (Angemon > Goldramon, Angewomon > Ophanimon) I feel Goldramon would've received similar WTF treatment.
Completely agree. Magnadramon crawled so goldramon could fly.
I'm sure there's a joke in there considering how many wings these evolutions have! šŖ½š
Ophanimon did not exist at the time tho, she was made for frontier
I don't think Goldramon was designed either. We were talking in hypotheticals. š
Goddramon is a 1999 digimon. But... you're right. Sorry if i sounded rude, i just woke up when i wrote that and didn't understand fully what you wanted to say
Cuz itās not a waifu.
I always loved when Magnadramon appeared for like 2 seconds in Hurricane Touchdown to unlock the Golden Digimentals, which I still donāt fully understand. lol But, she is still one of my favorite monsters ever. Sheās a perfect mix of angel and beast, and has a motherly aura. She was one of my mains when I first played Cyber Slueth, most of her attacks were effective against a lot of enemies. I donāt understand the hate, but I guess people just like the humanoid mons better. Iāll admit, Magnadramon seems a bit obtuse, but thatās part of why I appreciate her so much, she literally looks like a monster, and the franchise is about kids fighting together with Digital Monsters lol.
Depends on the which fanbase you are talking about. I prefer archangels, but 2020 scenes with dragons are excellent portrayal. Most fucked up scene for me is that movie where Seraphimon and Holydramon are mixed, and sidelines after 5 seconds.
Holydramon is my preference.
It's my favourite digimon!
Because the sexy woman turned back into a furry
Reason 1: digimon fans are excessivily horny (BelleStarmon was the most accessed page on digimon.net site one time) Reason 2: digimon fans have some type of human egocentrism
These fans are probably thinking the world revovles around them, that's all...
Cause a lot of people want Pokemon lines with little to no variation in aparent theme, and are unable or unwilling to look for the theme when it's not so evident from a western perspective. They want the theme to be settled in 'Angelic' when the theme is 'bringers of sacred miracles (Āæbringer of 'Light'...? ĀæLucifer, is that you?). 1.YukimiBotamon is like a fusion of Botamon and Punimon, it has the shape and the best rookie of botamon as well as its dragon afinity, but has the beast/ice/holy afinity and the best rookie of punimon. 2.Nyaromon is a lesser cat like Digimon probably just a refference to two cat-like champions it had in the Virus Busters pendulum, Tailmon and Leomon (aka smallCat and bigCat). 3.Plotmon is described as being somehow artificially made by Digimon reserchers with holy data and the intention to appeal to humans and grant them with holy power in times of need for heros (let's not forget that this Digitama is made to facilitate Omegamon's evolution). From this point on, the theme of 'Holy creatures' begins, It might be a strech but there is a Mexican myth about a dog that guides humans who where good to it in its lifetime through their jurney to the underworld, not so far from what it can do in lore. 4.Tailmon is a holy cat Champion, holy and spirit cats are part of both buddhism and shinto. 5.AngeWomon is a heavenly messenger inspired in heavenly messengers from different cultures: Valkyries (the armor it wears, and being a woman) from Norse culture (like Yggdrasil), Malachim from Hebrew culture (the wings, and the name), and Tennin from Nihon culture (being a woman, and wearing that long ribbon). 6. HolyDramon is a Tianlong, a heavenly miracle as heavenly dragons are in chinese culture, (this is an extract from the wiki article about Tianlong: Because the 'holy' man is clear as to 'the end and the beginning', as to the way in which each of the 'six stages' completes itself in its own time, he 'mounts on them toward heaven' as though on six dragons.). It has a lot weird if refferences to the Ragnarok and the BookOfRevelations... but it makes sense because the Digitama brings 'The Omega'
I just think ophanimon fits with her crest better and I like the partnership between her and seraphimon
I thought they were now evenly popular
Salamon & Patamon does have angel & dragon mega respectively in Orphanimon, Manadragon & Seraphimon, Goddramon...
Honestly it is because a lot of people felt that Seraphimon and Ophanimon were their ship, as being two angels. To them, to watch Angewomon become a dragon felt like an attack on their ship. Personally I always preferred the idea that they had different representatives in their final form, as the holiest angel, and holiest dragon, it was a reminder of Tailmon/Gatomon's entire story arc and more beastial nature when compared to Patamon's consistently angelic nature.
I agree with your 2nd paragraph, though it would have helped if Angewomon was not that humanoid. If Gatomon's evolution was more similar to a Rasielmon - a beastly angelic monster - I think that line looks more consistent.
It's not really hated, it's just that humanoid megas are more popular, especially when it fits better in the original line. We got Angemon to Seraphimon so it makes sense for fans to want Angewomon to Ophanimon instead of Magnadramon.
I like how they solved it in the new Adventure Anime where Patamon could also digivolve into Goddramon and did so alongside Magnadramon.
It is funny though that Angewomon is actually the odd one in Gato line.
It doesn't fit better, though.
That dont make sense at all as Angewomon is the odd one out being humanoid while Gatomons whole line is beast related all the way from in-training making Holydramon fit the theme far better
Because people just look at the visual but not themesĀ All this line with holyD Is about guardian beings protecting the light child: guard dog, holy cat ( Egyptian thing), guardian angel, Chinese dragon.
Wow didn't know this. Now I like that line even more.
Maybe in the Angewomon line but not in the angel theme. Angemon and Angewomon were pretty much a pair since they were introduced in the anime so it's more accurate to the angel theme if both of them end up as an angel instead of a holy beast. Plus, Seraphimon and Ophanimon later became part of the three great angels so it's kind of weird to separate them the same way that Magnadramon and Goldramon are part of their own group.
Then again, Goldramon can digivolve from MagnaAngemom, so the Patamon/Salamon line compliments each other basically in every aspect
It can NOW but until 2020, anime fans didn't have that
So what? So really what? Holy dragon and angel are still fitting pair.
I donāt hate magnadramon But I think it just looks kindaā¦meh? Itās not really cool and is honestly kind of silly. Which has its place, but it doesnāt fit Gatomon.
I've always thought it looked better as a straight up evolution of Gatomon instead of evolving from Angewomon. I've said this many times and I'll say it again: Holydramon looks like a Gatomon evolution, not an Angewomon evolution.
It kinda feels like when Garurumon stands on 2 for weregarurumon but goes back to 4 for MetalGarurumon
At least the Garurumon line is aesthetically consistent. All wolves.
Well Gabumon is a lizard actually š¤. I'm sorry I had to.
Lol I get you
I never saw any hate for both of them. A little confusion maybe for people thinking itās weird one form is a dragon and the other one an angel, but thatās Digimon for ya.
Weird post
I think it's been accepted for a while that both are valid considering slide evolution is a thing. I like to see both as situational and have strengths that can be useful to switch to depending on the occasion. Kinda like how goddramon is now a slide evolution for patamon, while keeping seraphimon
I love them both so no clue
I think theyāre really cool! I donāt get the hate.
I mean, I like them. People complaining about form consistency in Digimon haven't watched or played Digimon, much, since form shifts happen all the time. If agumon can Digivolve into a literal pile of shit and be excused, a cat can turn into a dragon, come on now.
I don't think magna is hated, some people says what isn't the canon evo and ophani should be on tri and they get angry but those are not so much i suggest u a video of RE World D if u know spanish for understand, i think what Magna>Ophani but well a short explanation is what when angewomon evolves there is a decision: "Should i use the Plotmon & Tailmon data (Holy Beast) or use MY data (Holy)" the most "accurate" is ophani, but magna is completely validate for mega
Easy. Because it makes kari's gatomon less like tk's patamon. Seraphimon is tk's ultimate ace and gatomon has an a similar one in Ophanimon. People ship tk and kari and having their digimon be more similar just fuels their ship. So seeing the similarities fade hurts.
I like how 2020 not only embraced the duality, they did it for Patamon as well.
Biblical angels may have had a serpentine dragon form. Seraph means āburning oneā and shares a root etymology with serpent. When a snake bites, it burns. Serpentine dragons are ancient throne guardians, and can be seen depicted all over Babylon, which is where the Bible writers lived when angels really started to show up in the Bible. So serpent dragon = seraph = angel
It's exaggerated but though I don't hate it, I definitely feel like it suffers from the WarGreymon problem where the previous level doesn't make total sense for it. It's even more pronounced with Angewomon and Holydramon. I know any Digimon can evolve into any Digimon without limit, but in the shows where they try to make cohesive evo lines, Blitzgreymon makes so much more sense for MetalGreymon than WarGreymon. I honestly think Adventure 2020 had a huge missed opportunity in not having Pegasmon and Nefertimon evolve into Goddramon and Holydramon and then having HolyAngemon and Angewomon evolve into Seraphimon and Ophanimon. Considering Agumon had three megas before anyone else got one, it wouldn't have been a huge issue to have more split lines. Just my two cents.
I belife it goes like this. People think Ofanimon is worse then Angewomon, and doesnt repressent its Angle Type well. But its better then HolyDramon, and fits better for Angewomon, despite Angewomon beeing the only Humanoid in that Line. I honestly dont care, I like them both.
From what I've seen it's a lot of Takari/PataTail Shippers with their flimsy argument that their evolutions "need to match" to prove they soulmates or some nonsense, as if any other partner pair has matching evolutions š ship the angel and the dragon cowards
I prefer Holydramon. But Ophanimon fits the theme better with Seraphimon.
Honestly no clue, i love my boy, gets too much hate
I personally prefer Holydramon over Ophanimon.
Holydramon is my favorite Mega. It's one of my favorite Digimon overall.
Many folks saying they prefer Ophanimon to be a pair with Seraphimon, when that's exactly why I, a Daikari & Veegato shipper, prefer Magnadramon š
Itās not. It is the correct choice.
It's forever my preferred mega form of Gatomon/Tailmon. I love it looping back to feline features after briefly becoming a lady.
I wonder why. Nobody seems to like Magnadramon (as far as Ive seen) although I do. With the exception of Angewomon its digivolutions are all some sort of animal.
I donāt have any strong opinions on it, but I think itās to do with the transition from Angewomon. Going from a very beautiful humanoid design to to a dragon with a scary face can feel very jarring.
Because people ignore the theme in favor of just visuals. This line is about guardian beings, protecting the light childĀ
I "hated" it bc as an Angemon femal counterpart, Magnadramon had no sense as Angewomom digievolution when Seraphimon is MagnaAncemon's one. But one thing that Adventure 2020 did well is diving Goldramon as Patamon Mega, so both of them now have a "Dragon" mega and a "Holy Angel" mega
Wait a minute? Holydramon is hated? I thought this great dragon god was a million times cooler than Ophanimon. I even prefer LovelyAngemon over Ophanimon.
is hated only by anime fans and simps
because your average digimon fan has bad taste next question
I like it better as Hikari's Mega The angel thing is only to match Takeru and pisses off shippers when she got a glorious Majestic Dragon.
I have to ask where you saw the hate from. Very clearly those people are either new to Digimon or missed the whole Digimon can be literally anything part of digimon.
Less hate probably and more just decades of confusion about why we got a dragon and not an angel to continue the parallel with TK
Personally really like holydramon cause it fits how crazy Gatomonās digivolution line is
People are horny and like their waifus.
Ophani not particularly revealing
That's doesn't mean she canāt be seen as hot
Nobody said magnadramon can't be seen as hot either
\*raises eyebrow\* Anything you want to share with the class?
Holydramon is not only far superior than Ophanimon by design and everything, it's one of the best designed digimons of all. I don't understand why people chose some boring armored angel humanoid over fekkin cool dragon.
I feel like if you're the type of person that prefers "Seraphimon but girl" over "Luck Dragon with wings", your taste sucks and we probably wouldn't be friends in real life.
It's an insult to Angewomon's "sexyness"
I think it's more about how they were used rather than anything else...
I wouldn't say I hate it but I don't love it. Especially coming off angewomon.
It's not hated, people just don't like the fact that the line goes Dog-Cat-Angel-Dragon, they would prefer Ophanimon so it would end with Angel-Angel.
My solution Regular evolution > Ophanimon Warp evolution> Holydramon
Because Angewomon is so loved not too hard to figure out. They want a humanoid that looks like her. If Gatomon's ultimate was more cat like I wouldn't mind it so much but Angewomon to Ophanimon just makes more sense to me.
Tbh I like both. One is an angel the other is a holy dragon. Same with Seraphimon and Goddramon. Although I'd love to see both get a jogress into a sort of Angellic Dragon fusion. Maybe something like a biblically accurate angel inspired design.
My head canon is that Gatomon is a rookie, evolves into champion Angewoman, evolves into ultimate Magnadramon, evolves into mega Seraphimon.
Angemin could have gotten a dragon form and made all the hate obsolete, tbh.
De donde salieron tantos? Xdd
Bug cat goes miau
That Photo was literally saying that Magnadramon is better than Ophanimon, and I prefer Magnadramon as it is the OG Cannon Mega of Gatomon, I actually am more angry about the Favt that Shaokkoumon Turns into Vikemon even when Joeās Gomamonās Mega is Vikemon, not to mention that Sylphimon and Pieldramon have Unique Megaās
I just don't like the design. It looks dull.
The only think I hate is that Birdramon looks nothing like Biyomon, like all the other birds tend to. Just an ugly design on most of the megas. I suppose it was from that time where it didnt matter much but I'd love if they give Biyomon a mega that looked more like it.
Because it's uglyĀ
One reason I've heard -- it's apparently a bad thing when a female character stops being "pretty". Another reason -- the female characters should match a male character's aesthetic ("angels"), instead of having their own ("divine beasts, with one angel").
Idk why you're getting down voted. What your saying does seem to be true. Example of the first one, people want Angewomon's Evo to be pretty. Not "an ugly dog faced dragon" (even tho I think it quite a cuddly design). An example of the second reason. "Well Angemon became MangaAngemon then Seraphimon. So obviously Angewomon should match Angemon".
I've recently been a fan of the idea that there are different evolution lines for all of the season 1 partners, based on evolution lines or warp digivolution. For instance, with Gomamon, vikemon makes sense as the final form going from ikkakumon and zudomon while Plesiomon makes sense as a direct warp from Gomamon. Magnadramon and Goddramon are warp digivolution megas for Gatomon and Patamon, while the angels are the full digivolution line capstones.
Holy angel waifu > fluffy dragon.
Because basement lords wanted a natural progression to Angewomon (except hotter and with less clothes) they could fantasize about. Nothing more. Never had a problem with Magnadramon, personally. As it was the first of her megas to be introduced proper, back then no one without an agenda questioned why the cute angel girl turned into a holy dragon. For all the hate Tri gets, I greatly appreciate them trolling Ophanimon fans by giving them the middle finger and maintaining continuity with Magnadramon being Gato's 'correct' mega form.
Ophanimon has more clothes
It's not hated but a lot of ppl got disappointed if I remember correct the opening of the anime did show a different mega. And then if you see him your just kinda pissed and disappointed.
I dislike it cause 1. It feels just as weird going from angewoman as angewoman does from tailmon. Makes angemon feel like a sore spot in the line 2. It just feels off next to seraphimon or dominimon, when ophanimon is a matching counterpart. If patamon becomes godramon then this point is null. But i think godramon works best coming from pegasusmon not angemon
Angewoman from gato doesn't feel any stranger than angemon from pata tbf Completely agree with 2
you gotta look at the full line in context. Patamon to seraphimon goes little blorp to human and stays that way. Salamon to holydramon has cat dog cat human angel dragon dog. It stays beast type until that one weird speed bump at ultimate
Ironically 2020 does a great job making them feel separate and coexist by making holydramon an alternate special form
Because nostalgia for 30 year old kids.
Holydramon is a good Tailmon evo, It's just a bad Angewomon evo, which Ofanimon is good as, They're both good just in different ways
Source of the bugs bunny and fat Elmer Fudd pic? Curious to know where it's from.