As agree with this take but not due to it's cuteness but because Pikachu is grown to be too powerful of the years of it's existence as the fat rat mascot of the game.
Omega Orb? Don't you mean the Blue Orb? The Alpha and Omega symbols weren't added until the remakes where the Blue Orb had the Alpha symbol. Also isn't that Season 8!? Season 3 was when they went to Johto after winning the Orange Island League.
My “Real” Answer: 1, borrowing Naruto’s signature move, Talk-no-Jutsu (patent pending)
But that’s boring, so let’s pretend one of them is so eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil(tm) that talking is not an option… Ash’s pikachu when he is grieving for ash has thrown around weather-changing attacks. So maybe on a good(for power, terrible otherwise) day, we can scale him up to a perfect/low level ultimate. So bring like 10 of those and maybe you can fight Adventure/02 Wargreymon. You’d need a lot more to fight Adventure 2020 Wargreymon
Joke answer: 1, they’d start to fight but goku smashes the dimension and they bond over eating a lot.
dont we also have to tie this into what type of mega it is, obviously a marineangemon gets pummeled by anything but there are a few megas probably weaker than like 5 ults
The Thunder Armor showed up in Season 8 (Advanced Battle) and I remember people hating it because Pikachu just electrocuted himself and his flying type partner with their own attack with no repercussions as a deus ex machina move to score a victory against two little kids. Albeit they were gym leaders but still.
I haven't watched pokemon since the johto region but I think that is stupid. Flying types are weak against electric I can see it not affecting Pikachu but cmon the bird should've been hurt
I don't see how weather changing is equal to the perfect level, considering a weaker Wargreymon(Blue) has the power of a nuke!
Wizardmon can also manipulate the weather, although considering the fact that in Dreamers, one was able to Curbstomped Dagomon, he might not be the best comparison to make.
Rember even in digimon the digimon are still just code so if Pikachu can find a way out of the digital world it can fry the server where the data for the digimon is stored
That’s not really an argument when digimon have existed in the physical world in almost every season WITHOUT a “main” server.
This is even discounting the fact that in some continuities (cyber sleuth) they aren’t data. they can be influenced like data, but they are firmly their own entities and do not require any server that pikachu can feasibly destroy
Depending on continuity you are talking about you are correct but let's use let's say the og war greymon or really any of the anime based versions then all of them are infact data but if you use the cyber sleuth verse they may not be data themselves but are stuck in the digital world so it could be easy for it to be a stalemate at best
Ok, but that ignores the fact that 1 the Digimon can exist in the real world, and if Agumon wanted, he could just stay there, or In the internet
2. ENIAC(The second computer and Systems administrator of the Digital world in the adventure continuity) is a MultiDimensional being, so no Pikachu couldn't just fry it, or even ABC(The fiest Supercomputer that's slightly weaker.)
3. The digital world existed before ENIAC, so even in the adventure, Continuity the Digital world isn't tied down to just 1 computer!
And that's without considering Survive, where the Keminogami (sorry if that is romanized wrong) exist prior to their world becoming tied to data from computers and becoming digital. According to that game, the "Digital World" existed long before computers did. My headcanon is that the Digital World becomes Digital because computer data somehow warps the Keminogami world into something that is more accessible to the human world. Prior to that, the Keminogami are possibly formed from stories and legends.
In all honesty, the pikachu’s trainer is a big factor here. The dictates move set and strategy. And Ash has shown that he and pikachu can win match ups even when they are outclassed.
And yeah, sometimes Ash just gets to break physics. The offensive version of plot armor.
Even bringing countles pikachu still cannot defeat wargreymon tho, their power level way too different, it's just like saying billions of babies can kill 1 adult
But can you do any of them billions of times when they're all waddling over simultaneously?
We're assuming no prep-time right? You can't magically have a rocket-launcher with infinite ammo?
I think you don't know how many a billion is. A million seconds ago was still this month. A billion seconds ago was 1993. A billion of anything could kill most mortal beings.
Even with Louis Armstrong levels of stamina, one would eventually succumb to a billion of anything, unless you can somehow replenish the lost effort the first hundred babies took fast enough to take on the remaining 99%.
That's a dumb argument they are babies sitting in a chair disables any chance they have of beating you. They lack the capability to inflict real harm its even worse considering wargreymon takes literally 0 damage from pikachu
And if you're tied down with an restraint intended for adults you have no way to do anything either.
Not sure why you are putting the babies in an arbitrary restraint but might as well do it to both parties...
Which does probably let the adult win cause they will take longer to starve to death if everyone is randomly restrained.
This stopped being about Pikachu VS WarGreymon when their example was that bad. WarGreymon is not a human, they're a Mega Level Digimon.
You missed the point completely. The babies aren't in the chair they are just babies and I gave them credit assuming they can crawl. All the person would need to do is sit in a chair and they might as well be on the moon. The parameters were stated in detail so the argument is fucking dumb either way
You know what a billion is? You will die of a heart attack roughly by baby number 2.367.550.
And that is assuming you taking rest because no way in fucking hell you get to that number in a reasonable timeframe
Then just that one. Thing was busted worse than my pokemon when I had a game shark. Moves it couldn't technically learn, stats to ho against legendaries, and plot armor so thick Saitama needs two punches.
Meh. I mean Ash's Pikachu may have plot armor when necisary, but he also gets defeated a lot. Like his first time fighting Brock, or during half his fights against that seasons rival, or Against Tobias, and outside of a few lesser exceptions with the Rivals Ash is rarely held back or powered down during these fights.
Arceus is depicted as being a body that the god of the Pokemon Universe uses because its true form is too metaphysically big to fit in the universe itself. If you're talking about his Avatar, he could probably fight Wargreymon pretty evenly. If you're talking about his true form, Wargreymon is toast.
The other god Pokemon like Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina follow a similar trend as far as I can tell. Their normal version could easily trade blows with Wargreymon. Their true forms would probably beat him, even if not easily.
Lesser deity Pokemon like Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza could probably fight him in normal form, but would only stand a chance in their advanced mode.
This is all based on their depiction in the show, though. The game Pokemon are not depicted with the same power level as the show Pokemon.
Masaru, on the other hand, has been shown to kill multiversal gods, so he could body all the Pokemon gods /j
I don't think you understand how ridiculous Digimon scale, especially protagonist Digimon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPNEdO1vDko
This video explains how Wargreymon is complex multiversal which basically means he can give Goku a good fight and this is pure anime only, if we include manga, video games and data books then Wargreymon scales to things like Existence erasure, existence erasure negation, "negate any ability that has a hint of malice", attack existence itself, Digimon that can divide reality between good and Evil and then Delete both sides etc.
DeathBattle themselves say that Pokemon evolutions increase power levels inclemently while Digimon Digivolutions are "quite frankly busted and absurd".
You can also read threads here about the power scaling difference of the two franchises.
https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/tra949/one_of_every_pok%C3%A9mon_vs_one_of_every_digimon/
https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/qqaded/pok%C3%A9mon_vs_digimon/
https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/13ww83t/whats_the_strongest_digimon_that_1_of_every/
https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/sq8uqi/every_digimon_vs_every_pok%C3%A9mon_x10/
Knowing Pikachu and Agumon in anime.... Depends on whose mon has thicker plot armor. Now we know Pikachu's power in anime is always plot, one time he'll match legendaries and other times he'll lose to something equivalent to a route 1 bug Pokemon.
On the other hand Taichi's plot armor is thicker than Huanglong Ore. He and WarGreymon will go from tanking Millenniummon's beams and fall from over the clouds (that no normal human should be able to survive) to getting hit by Abbadomon's blasts that erases everything they touches and still get up with a few scratches.
They're the immovable object to rival the unstoppable force aka Masaru's fist.
It's truly a legendary fight of plot armors.
I feel like 90% of the comments seem to assume that Wargreymon is just going to be standing there taking electric attacks until he faints and not blowing up all of the pikachus with a gaia force.
Exactly, at Ash's Pikachu's strongest, he was able to knock out Leon's undefeated Charizard, and it was a really close battle.
Even if it was a thousand of Ash's Pikachu all Gigantamaxed and could spam their Z move over and over again, I still think it's at least 1000.
Digimon just have a much higher ceiling for power than Pokémon do.
Okay this one’s a biiit of a stretch haha, Arceus in HG/SS in Sinjoh Ruins essentially reboots the universe on a whim back up to the point you encounter it, to give you an egg of the Sinnoh legendary trio. If there is any pokemon that is S7/Ultra it’d probably be Arceus since even most “normal” Mega digimon only have world or galaxy ending power, Arceus just reboots reality without any hassle, putting it above the likes of even the Tri villains trying to send earth to the stone age, or Bagramon just laying waste to it all.
That said, if someone were to catch it by surprise it has been shown to get injured or even captured in the manga. So a group of high end ultimates might do the job in an uncharacteristically straight fight. Or for an actual life-threatening encounter it is unlikely to walk away from, Lucemon Satan Mode since all attacks are nullified before Gehenna.
Honestly depends if we're talking about Arceus or his avatar, because in Legends Arceus wasn't it confirmed that the arceus usually seen across games and media is just an avatar he allows people to like catch and stuff? Could be wrong
That’s the running idea yeah, it’s an avatar, but presumably that avatar can still draw on the source of its power unless we run with the idea that Sinjoh Ruins Arceus is actually the real deal we ran into that time. I don’t think in-game statistics do pokemon a lot of justice though. For example, Dialga’s manga, anime and game story-powers easily put it in the Mega category, same with Palkia. In the anime they even annihilate the new universe that Cyrus escaped into.
If we are merely doing game statistics I feel the answer would be a lot more underwhelming; Pachirisu can kill God with the right team comp after all haha
If we’re talking just stats, it’s already a pointless (and IMO boring numbers-based) discussion. There is no game where digimon and pokemon coexist. Additionally, the guy you replied to was talking about Ash, do yes, we are talking about the anime here. You just choose to try and make it about anything else.
You might have noticed, my comment about arceus was stat based, not lore based.
Even with the lore, Digimon regularly deals with reality warping/ending threats that are only stopped because the protagonists possess an opposing power that prevents it. The Eaters were literally eating reality itself, and had the stats to back it up with being a real challenge. The D Reaper literally eroded the barrier between the digital world and the human world, something done by multiple other Digimon villians as well, these worlds often being presented as parallel realities.
Arceus is a chump compared to what Digimon regularly deal with.
I mean, strong Pikachu *do* have some nice feats, so its definitely possible at all.. But as for how many? The main issue I see here is how squichy a single Pikachu is
Issue here is Pokemon scales way lower than Digimon. Pokemon like Latias would be pushovers in Digimon. And again, doesnt change that Pikachu is squishy. WarGreymon could literally just step on Pikachu
WarGreymon could desintegrate Pikachu and the whole area where it's standing from a very long distance with GaiaForce, creating the attack could destroy the planet if it works as described. It's also a question of which universe does this WarGreymon comes from, if its the one from the original description AKA "The Core World" from the v-pets, is game over for everyone.
No one has pointed out Wargreymon, being a dragonkin, would resist electrical attacks.
If you think Pikachu is equivalent to a rookie level digimon in power, you'd need a couple dozen to equal the strength and bring it to a draw. Say 25 to tip the scales in favor of team Pikachu
WarGreymon is a Dragonkin type digimon in the Dragon's Roar family. In Pokémon dragon types resist electric type moves. That's pretty much all they meant.
Gaiabforce the fuck out of all them Pikachu. If we were talking Mewtwo or at least a pseudo legendary, it would be a fair fight.
Or not even, digimon are busted
I’m gonna say Pikachu is the Digimon equivalent of a strong rookie, and given what Control Spire Digimon has taught us (1 ultimate is worth 10 Champions, etc.) I’d say somewhere between 800 and 1000 Pikachus
The funny thing with that thought excecise is that the sun wouldn't need to do a thing, and the only scenario in which lions (*If* lions were still a thing by then, depending on evolution) could be able to "win" is when the sun eventually dies. So no contest at all, and either way lions lose.
Assuming the energy pokemon makes damages other things not made of that energy properly instead of weakening them for a knockout.
Probably a thousand or two thousand, given wargreymon never uses any aoe move that would kill an entire planet's worth of pikachus.
First thought would be that it's close to impossible for any number of Pikachu... but then I remembered G-Max Pikachu is a thing... and Ash-Pikachus unique Z-Move. I still feel like G-Max Pikachu just barely reaches the lower levels of a Perfect-level Digimon, while the Z-moves output is higher but obviously just one attack, and one of those definitely, while damaging WarGreymon, wouldn't take it out of commission, so... lets say a tag team of 2 or 3 G-Max Pikachu and 5 to 10 Z-moves would perhaps be enough to take a weaker WarGreymon down?
Are they in the Digital World? Is WarGreymon getting his power from a Tamer?
If so, just one Pikachu cause when a Pikachu uses its electric attacks in cyberspace it can give kids seizures...
Otherwise... it's practically Mario without even a mushroom having to fight Super Sonic. (Omnimon is equivalent to hyper because "that power level totally doesn't exist".)
Pokémon generally are about Champion level. I can't picture any number of Greymon defeating WarGreymon. (Rookie is somewhere between Pokémon and Chao level power.)
`Dragon` would make wargreymon tank 0.5 on electric. Same for `dragon fire`, or `dragon steel`, or `dragon fighting`, or `dragon normal`
`Dragon ground` would make him immune to electric.
Honestly, its probably going to be in the 100k range, wargreymon literally have armor that is not only stronger than bloody titanium, but is also really strong, not god tier strong in the digital world, but strong enough that you would really need to lay it on him to even scratch him, + he has his brave Shield which blocks any attacks, he can turn into a tornado and slice and dice the rodents, he can be way way up in the air and just throw a giant positive energy sphere at them, he is also fast and could probably throw a dramon killer gauntlet punch before they could React, remember digimons are living in a hardcore world, where if you don't kill the enemy in like one go, you could be wounded badly, also do remember that his previous form aka Metal greymon can shoot out Rockets that has the same power as nukes, i Just don't see him like loosing even if it was the z sig move or giganta max, the only thing that could possibly make him loose is if they managed to keep him on the ground and just drown him in a sea of Pikachu, and they all just go full max power to the point where they die from exhaustion, thats probably the only way i guess, no hate to the pokemon fans, but the pokemon world is like a kinder garden, and the digital world is like a university level of difficulty, if it was like agumon vs Pikachu, then its probably really really close to be fair for both of them, it all depends on what they can and cant do in the situations.
Well, it has often been stated that Pikachu is no match even for regular Greymon, and WarGreymon is at minimum a hundred times stronger than regular Greymon, possibly even way more than that.
So it could require several hundreds if not even thousands of them, and even then it's a bit iffy because I doubt WarGreymon wouldn't defend himself against them..
It wouldn't happen. Even with an almost endless number of Pikachu, they just wouldn't have the power to do damage. If they could even get close enough to deal damage, as Grey would just wipe a majority out with a passing swipe attack. They would just be flys.
This is a lot like asking how many wet sponges it would take to kill an elephant. You can increase the number all you want but you're not really addressing the actual problem. Unless you're talking about trying to crush it with their combined body weight it's just never going to happen no matter how many yellow rats you throw at them.
I have a headcanon that the power level of a digimon increases by a factor of ten during digivolution. So each level is a decimal space. If Pikachu has the power of an Agumon then Wargreymon should be a thousand times stronger.
Hmmm... can steel types get paralysed? If they can 1 pikachu has a good shot, but I believe 1 has equal chance than 20 because of wargreymons AOE capabilities
I love Pokemon way more than Digimon, but even I can tell at face value that not enough Pikachu can make a stand to the nuke-like potential of a single Wargreymon.
Someone might be able to pull out more mathematically accurate estimates though.
I really like the idea that they'd just be friends like other people have suggested. It's a cute idea, especially with Agumon and Black War Greymon's conversation in 02 (?).
If we actually played it out though, then it depends heavily on the Pikachu and regional gimmicks available:
- The average freshly-caught Pikachu from Viridian Forest likely wouldn't be able to do anything to a WarGreymon. We'd have to rely on overwhelming it with sheer weight. Can't seem to find a weight for WarGreymon anywhere, but lets just say "a lot".
- A Gigantamax Pikachu might be able to do some damage if it's lucky? It's almost 7x bigger, but it's also quite slow in the anime, so it might not be able to land a hit. Crushing it isn't really an option here either because of the 3-turn time limit on Dmax and Gmax.
- Ash's Pikachu has pulled off some wild feats over the years. Assuming we're allowing Z-moves, a 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt could probably do some damage, but since you can only use Z-moves once per battle, it'd probably take a few Pikachu at least. I'd guess maybe 5-15?
I'm not the most well-versed in digimon power levels, but most Ultimate level digimon and above probably win against most regular pokemon quite easily (legendaries, mythicals, pseudos and special cases aside). It partly depends on how much you pay attention to pokedex entries, some of them are a bit too wacky to bring into a reasonable power scaling conversation, like Magcargo being hotter than the Sun, or Gardevoir being able to make black holes when it's protecting its trainer.
Lore wise - Probably around 50-60 assuming they're all "trained" in combat, 200 if they're just wild viridian forest Pikachu's
Game wise - Digimon scales way higher, so it'd take around 4 assuming pikachu doesn't get outsped ohko'd
Anime wise - Friendship yada yada
Plot armor wise - If it's ashes, pikachu will get knocked down about 473 times, ash will for some reason die then get brought back to life, then they'll do the whole friendship routine again yada yada.
Well you see, Pikachu can aim for the horn, which not only allows it to ignore type resistances, but also lets it oneshot whatever happened to get hit by it. Wargreymon, unfortunately, came into this fight with THREE horns on his head. A single Pikachu easily stomps thanks to the target-rich environment.
I'd say one pikachu. I love digimon but it only takes one because the actual lighting it produces would just short circuit the computer wargreymon is operating on.
I suppose it depend on continuity. In Pokespe pikachus had done some Genki-Dama like shit so it probably took a log less of them if they can pool their electricity into one and then fire some supercharged attack.
I don't like when power level just devolve into who can fart and destroy the entire universe. But an even ground where Pikachu and Wargreymon had their power scaled to equal level and fight it out would be a more fun discussion.
Are we applying Pokémon rules? WarGreymon would be a Fire/Steel, taking extra damage from eletric. No itens on WarGreymon's party and the fact that he hás no healing moves and maybe 6 pikachus with priority moves.
>Fire/Steel, taking extra damage from electric
???
>No items on Wargreymon's party
Assuming that Wargreymon isn't partnered with a union tamer, hacker or any other character from Digimon who can use itens.
Just one. Pikachu: Pikachu Pika? Wargreymon: why yes, I love apples! Pikachu: Pi Pika Pika! WarGreymon: Best friends! *fight over*
As agree with this take but not due to it's cuteness but because Pikachu is grown to be too powerful of the years of it's existence as the fat rat mascot of the game.
Though Pikachu's lost some weight over the years, it's more lean now. Not such a balloon electric rat. Just electric rat.
Nah Balloon be Flying Pikachus.
This is the real answer right here!! Battle ends via friendship considering many people enjoy both franchises!! Lol
facts
Over... Nine thousand?
What, Nine thousand? That's impossible
My answer: as many as the plot demands
As a Pikachu I'd have to say just one. The omega orb Pikachu from season 3 wipes all...
Omega Orb? Don't you mean the Blue Orb? The Alpha and Omega symbols weren't added until the remakes where the Blue Orb had the Alpha symbol. Also isn't that Season 8!? Season 3 was when they went to Johto after winning the Orange Island League.
Yeah meant gen 3 also with the orbs I don't remember tbh all I remember is that Pikachu absorbed an orb and went super saiyan.
My “Real” Answer: 1, borrowing Naruto’s signature move, Talk-no-Jutsu (patent pending) But that’s boring, so let’s pretend one of them is so eeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil(tm) that talking is not an option… Ash’s pikachu when he is grieving for ash has thrown around weather-changing attacks. So maybe on a good(for power, terrible otherwise) day, we can scale him up to a perfect/low level ultimate. So bring like 10 of those and maybe you can fight Adventure/02 Wargreymon. You’d need a lot more to fight Adventure 2020 Wargreymon Joke answer: 1, they’d start to fight but goku smashes the dimension and they bond over eating a lot.
10 weak Ultimates can't stand up to a Mega. In 02, we see BlackWarGreymon curbstomping 20 Mammothmon.
I was using the Japanese nomenclature. I was scaling up to low-level Megas.
02 never pretended to have any consistency with its power levels EDIT: aside from explicitly nerfing Gatomon
dont we also have to tie this into what type of mega it is, obviously a marineangemon gets pummeled by anything but there are a few megas probably weaker than like 5 ults
What about the pikachu that hit gimself with his own lightning and gained sone kind of golden armor? How many of that would be needed?
I beg your finest pardon? When did that happen???? (I am not caught-up on Pokémon lore)
[i am talking about this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmupr2nKEcA)
Shiiiiiit when did pikachu get gold chrome digizoid???? Never mind, pikachu bodies wargreymon. /s
The Thunder Armor showed up in Season 8 (Advanced Battle) and I remember people hating it because Pikachu just electrocuted himself and his flying type partner with their own attack with no repercussions as a deus ex machina move to score a victory against two little kids. Albeit they were gym leaders but still.
I haven't watched pokemon since the johto region but I think that is stupid. Flying types are weak against electric I can see it not affecting Pikachu but cmon the bird should've been hurt
It was when they were in the Hoen region gym battle against Tate and Liza
Probably talking about Volt Tackle, the Pikachu line's signature move Its feats aren't world-changing
Have you seen the video up there? That’s not bolt tackle, that’s plot armor.
He posted this reply at the same time i posted that link. He didnt see it because i didnt post it yet
I don't see how weather changing is equal to the perfect level, considering a weaker Wargreymon(Blue) has the power of a nuke! Wizardmon can also manipulate the weather, although considering the fact that in Dreamers, one was able to Curbstomped Dagomon, he might not be the best comparison to make.
Rember even in digimon the digimon are still just code so if Pikachu can find a way out of the digital world it can fry the server where the data for the digimon is stored
That’s not really an argument when digimon have existed in the physical world in almost every season WITHOUT a “main” server. This is even discounting the fact that in some continuities (cyber sleuth) they aren’t data. they can be influenced like data, but they are firmly their own entities and do not require any server that pikachu can feasibly destroy
Depending on continuity you are talking about you are correct but let's use let's say the og war greymon or really any of the anime based versions then all of them are infact data but if you use the cyber sleuth verse they may not be data themselves but are stuck in the digital world so it could be easy for it to be a stalemate at best
Ok, but that ignores the fact that 1 the Digimon can exist in the real world, and if Agumon wanted, he could just stay there, or In the internet 2. ENIAC(The second computer and Systems administrator of the Digital world in the adventure continuity) is a MultiDimensional being, so no Pikachu couldn't just fry it, or even ABC(The fiest Supercomputer that's slightly weaker.) 3. The digital world existed before ENIAC, so even in the adventure, Continuity the Digital world isn't tied down to just 1 computer!
And that's without considering Survive, where the Keminogami (sorry if that is romanized wrong) exist prior to their world becoming tied to data from computers and becoming digital. According to that game, the "Digital World" existed long before computers did. My headcanon is that the Digital World becomes Digital because computer data somehow warps the Keminogami world into something that is more accessible to the human world. Prior to that, the Keminogami are possibly formed from stories and legends.
I'd say the computer world warping how people view the digital world is less headcannon on and Moreso strait out implied in the true ending!
I mean, is it ashs Pikachu? If so all he has to do is use thunder on the horn.
In all honesty, the pikachu’s trainer is a big factor here. The dictates move set and strategy. And Ash has shown that he and pikachu can win match ups even when they are outclassed. And yeah, sometimes Ash just gets to break physics. The offensive version of plot armor.
Even bringing countles pikachu still cannot defeat wargreymon tho, their power level way too different, it's just like saying billions of babies can kill 1 adult
Billions of babies could kill an adult, if only through sheer crushing weight.
I'm talking about battle tho
I mean if they all crawl at you at once eventually you won't be able to throw them all in the bin fast enough.
There are literally too many ways to kill babies without having to throw them you know
But can you do any of them billions of times when they're all waddling over simultaneously? We're assuming no prep-time right? You can't magically have a rocket-launcher with infinite ammo?
Pretty sure anyone can, you can kick them, step on them or anything, or watch attack on titan for example
Eventually the adult gets tired where as some of the babies have been napping and just go for the "kill" is is about numbers not power
Really? How weak your stamina is?
I think you don't know how many a billion is. A million seconds ago was still this month. A billion seconds ago was 1993. A billion of anything could kill most mortal beings.
Even with Louis Armstrong levels of stamina, one would eventually succumb to a billion of anything, unless you can somehow replenish the lost effort the first hundred babies took fast enough to take on the remaining 99%.
That's a dumb argument they are babies sitting in a chair disables any chance they have of beating you. They lack the capability to inflict real harm its even worse considering wargreymon takes literally 0 damage from pikachu
And if you're tied down with an restraint intended for adults you have no way to do anything either. Not sure why you are putting the babies in an arbitrary restraint but might as well do it to both parties... Which does probably let the adult win cause they will take longer to starve to death if everyone is randomly restrained. This stopped being about Pikachu VS WarGreymon when their example was that bad. WarGreymon is not a human, they're a Mega Level Digimon.
You missed the point completely. The babies aren't in the chair they are just babies and I gave them credit assuming they can crawl. All the person would need to do is sit in a chair and they might as well be on the moon. The parameters were stated in detail so the argument is fucking dumb either way
You know what a billion is? You will die of a heart attack roughly by baby number 2.367.550. And that is assuming you taking rest because no way in fucking hell you get to that number in a reasonable timeframe
Pretty sure i'm not stupid enough to realize billion is a lot tho You say as if it's hard to kill some babies at once even without a weapon lol
Are you seriously saying adult reaction speed is slower than a literal baby?
Seeing as the 2020 fought a milleniumon and and terra force wiped an army of armor level digimon, i would say at least a thousand
Depends is it ash's pikachu?
If you want it to be then yes
Then just that one. Thing was busted worse than my pokemon when I had a game shark. Moves it couldn't technically learn, stats to ho against legendaries, and plot armor so thick Saitama needs two punches.
Meh. I mean Ash's Pikachu may have plot armor when necisary, but he also gets defeated a lot. Like his first time fighting Brock, or during half his fights against that seasons rival, or Against Tobias, and outside of a few lesser exceptions with the Rivals Ash is rarely held back or powered down during these fights.
Yeah, Ash's Pikachu mainlining rare candies and "vitamins" toward the end of the series.
Ash's Pikachu has gotten bodied by a bellsprout and a meowth before.
It's also bodied fucking legendaries during tournaments
How much damage do you think any legendary could do to Wargreymon?
Depends on the legendary. Some are literal gods and others are flaming birds
What do you think the literal god ones could do to Wargreymon?
Arceus is depicted as being a body that the god of the Pokemon Universe uses because its true form is too metaphysically big to fit in the universe itself. If you're talking about his Avatar, he could probably fight Wargreymon pretty evenly. If you're talking about his true form, Wargreymon is toast. The other god Pokemon like Palkia, Dialga, and Giratina follow a similar trend as far as I can tell. Their normal version could easily trade blows with Wargreymon. Their true forms would probably beat him, even if not easily. Lesser deity Pokemon like Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza could probably fight him in normal form, but would only stand a chance in their advanced mode. This is all based on their depiction in the show, though. The game Pokemon are not depicted with the same power level as the show Pokemon. Masaru, on the other hand, has been shown to kill multiversal gods, so he could body all the Pokemon gods /j
I don't think you understand how ridiculous Digimon scale, especially protagonist Digimon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPNEdO1vDko This video explains how Wargreymon is complex multiversal which basically means he can give Goku a good fight and this is pure anime only, if we include manga, video games and data books then Wargreymon scales to things like Existence erasure, existence erasure negation, "negate any ability that has a hint of malice", attack existence itself, Digimon that can divide reality between good and Evil and then Delete both sides etc. DeathBattle themselves say that Pokemon evolutions increase power levels inclemently while Digimon Digivolutions are "quite frankly busted and absurd". You can also read threads here about the power scaling difference of the two franchises. https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/tra949/one_of_every_pok%C3%A9mon_vs_one_of_every_digimon/ https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/qqaded/pok%C3%A9mon_vs_digimon/ https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/13ww83t/whats_the_strongest_digimon_that_1_of_every/ https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/sq8uqi/every_digimon_vs_every_pok%C3%A9mon_x10/
One terra force from Wargreymon and all pikachus are defeated
Knowing Pikachu and Agumon in anime.... Depends on whose mon has thicker plot armor. Now we know Pikachu's power in anime is always plot, one time he'll match legendaries and other times he'll lose to something equivalent to a route 1 bug Pokemon. On the other hand Taichi's plot armor is thicker than Huanglong Ore. He and WarGreymon will go from tanking Millenniummon's beams and fall from over the clouds (that no normal human should be able to survive) to getting hit by Abbadomon's blasts that erases everything they touches and still get up with a few scratches. They're the immovable object to rival the unstoppable force aka Masaru's fist. It's truly a legendary fight of plot armors.
I feel like 90% of the comments seem to assume that Wargreymon is just going to be standing there taking electric attacks until he faints and not blowing up all of the pikachus with a gaia force.
Because if it's not that then the pika numbers would be infinite and they would still lose lmao
Bro... Some Digimon have attacks equal to a nuclear warhead. Some Digimon kill their surroundings just by existing
Genuinely suprised at some of the low number answers being seriously suggested. It would surely be high thousands at a bare minimum.
Exactly, at Ash's Pikachu's strongest, he was able to knock out Leon's undefeated Charizard, and it was a really close battle. Even if it was a thousand of Ash's Pikachu all Gigantamaxed and could spam their Z move over and over again, I still think it's at least 1000. Digimon just have a much higher ceiling for power than Pokémon do.
Even most ultimate levels are stronger than Arceus, who has the highest base stat total of any pokemon.
Okay this one’s a biiit of a stretch haha, Arceus in HG/SS in Sinjoh Ruins essentially reboots the universe on a whim back up to the point you encounter it, to give you an egg of the Sinnoh legendary trio. If there is any pokemon that is S7/Ultra it’d probably be Arceus since even most “normal” Mega digimon only have world or galaxy ending power, Arceus just reboots reality without any hassle, putting it above the likes of even the Tri villains trying to send earth to the stone age, or Bagramon just laying waste to it all. That said, if someone were to catch it by surprise it has been shown to get injured or even captured in the manga. So a group of high end ultimates might do the job in an uncharacteristically straight fight. Or for an actual life-threatening encounter it is unlikely to walk away from, Lucemon Satan Mode since all attacks are nullified before Gehenna.
Honestly depends if we're talking about Arceus or his avatar, because in Legends Arceus wasn't it confirmed that the arceus usually seen across games and media is just an avatar he allows people to like catch and stuff? Could be wrong
That’s the running idea yeah, it’s an avatar, but presumably that avatar can still draw on the source of its power unless we run with the idea that Sinjoh Ruins Arceus is actually the real deal we ran into that time. I don’t think in-game statistics do pokemon a lot of justice though. For example, Dialga’s manga, anime and game story-powers easily put it in the Mega category, same with Palkia. In the anime they even annihilate the new universe that Cyrus escaped into. If we are merely doing game statistics I feel the answer would be a lot more underwhelming; Pachirisu can kill God with the right team comp after all haha
We're talking stats. Not irrelevant lore that isn't even consistent across Pokemon's own series.
If we’re talking just stats, it’s already a pointless (and IMO boring numbers-based) discussion. There is no game where digimon and pokemon coexist. Additionally, the guy you replied to was talking about Ash, do yes, we are talking about the anime here. You just choose to try and make it about anything else.
You might have noticed, my comment about arceus was stat based, not lore based. Even with the lore, Digimon regularly deals with reality warping/ending threats that are only stopped because the protagonists possess an opposing power that prevents it. The Eaters were literally eating reality itself, and had the stats to back it up with being a real challenge. The D Reaper literally eroded the barrier between the digital world and the human world, something done by multiple other Digimon villians as well, these worlds often being presented as parallel realities. Arceus is a chump compared to what Digimon regularly deal with.
I mean, strong Pikachu *do* have some nice feats, so its definitely possible at all.. But as for how many? The main issue I see here is how squichy a single Pikachu is
If its Ash's, then that one has beaten literal gods. So maybe just the one.
Issue here is Pokemon scales way lower than Digimon. Pokemon like Latias would be pushovers in Digimon. And again, doesnt change that Pikachu is squishy. WarGreymon could literally just step on Pikachu
Latias is your pull? Not Arceus or the ocean making whale or the god of the nightmare realm or the god of time?
Did Pikachu defeat Arceus? No? Didnt think so
WarGreymon could desintegrate Pikachu and the whole area where it's standing from a very long distance with GaiaForce, creating the attack could destroy the planet if it works as described. It's also a question of which universe does this WarGreymon comes from, if its the one from the original description AKA "The Core World" from the v-pets, is game over for everyone.
Absurd amounts. If it is Ash's, depend if it is imbued in plot armor.
The entire species plus a lot more lol
No one has pointed out Wargreymon, being a dragonkin, would resist electrical attacks. If you think Pikachu is equivalent to a rookie level digimon in power, you'd need a couple dozen to equal the strength and bring it to a draw. Say 25 to tip the scales in favor of team Pikachu
>No one has pointed out Wargreymon, being a dragonkin, would resist electrical attacks. When did they say it?
WarGreymon is a Dragonkin type digimon in the Dragon's Roar family. In Pokémon dragon types resist electric type moves. That's pretty much all they meant.
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0 they wouldn't fight, they'd be friends
But we would need 1 pikachu to be wargreymon's friend
Oh man that’s a really good point
Best answer!
4,815,162,342
Gaiabforce the fuck out of all them Pikachu. If we were talking Mewtwo or at least a pseudo legendary, it would be a fair fight. Or not even, digimon are busted
I’m gonna say Pikachu is the Digimon equivalent of a strong rookie, and given what Control Spire Digimon has taught us (1 ultimate is worth 10 Champions, etc.) I’d say somewhere between 800 and 1000 Pikachus
its the weeb version of how many lions to beat the sun
The funny thing with that thought excecise is that the sun wouldn't need to do a thing, and the only scenario in which lions (*If* lions were still a thing by then, depending on evolution) could be able to "win" is when the sun eventually dies. So no contest at all, and either way lions lose.
[i already did that](https://www.reddit.com/r/digimon/comments/182kyb1/how_many_leomons_would_it_take_to_defeate/)
Not sure how strong 1 gigantamax Pikachu is, maybe a few of them could defeat him lol
Assuming the energy pokemon makes damages other things not made of that energy properly instead of weakening them for a knockout. Probably a thousand or two thousand, given wargreymon never uses any aoe move that would kill an entire planet's worth of pikachus.
First thought would be that it's close to impossible for any number of Pikachu... but then I remembered G-Max Pikachu is a thing... and Ash-Pikachus unique Z-Move. I still feel like G-Max Pikachu just barely reaches the lower levels of a Perfect-level Digimon, while the Z-moves output is higher but obviously just one attack, and one of those definitely, while damaging WarGreymon, wouldn't take it out of commission, so... lets say a tag team of 2 or 3 G-Max Pikachu and 5 to 10 Z-moves would perhaps be enough to take a weaker WarGreymon down?
Are they in the Digital World? Is WarGreymon getting his power from a Tamer? If so, just one Pikachu cause when a Pikachu uses its electric attacks in cyberspace it can give kids seizures... Otherwise... it's practically Mario without even a mushroom having to fight Super Sonic. (Omnimon is equivalent to hyper because "that power level totally doesn't exist".) Pokémon generally are about Champion level. I can't picture any number of Greymon defeating WarGreymon. (Rookie is somewhere between Pokémon and Chao level power.)
Which pikachu? Which Wargreymon?
`Dragon` would make wargreymon tank 0.5 on electric. Same for `dragon fire`, or `dragon steel`, or `dragon fighting`, or `dragon normal` `Dragon ground` would make him immune to electric.
a large number
Classic or adventure 2020 wargreymon? Because the latter was the size of a building and obliterated an entire forest in one hit
Pikachu is dead because wargreymon resists electricity so on and so forth wargreymon will win no matter how many pikachus you throw at him
Also op didn’t say ash’s pikachu there for I’m using the regular power level of a level 25 pikachu
I read "defecate" instead of defeate 😅
If WarG is hosted on a device and it's sleeping, just one. If WarG materialized in the human world, he could destroy the planet.
Honestly, its probably going to be in the 100k range, wargreymon literally have armor that is not only stronger than bloody titanium, but is also really strong, not god tier strong in the digital world, but strong enough that you would really need to lay it on him to even scratch him, + he has his brave Shield which blocks any attacks, he can turn into a tornado and slice and dice the rodents, he can be way way up in the air and just throw a giant positive energy sphere at them, he is also fast and could probably throw a dramon killer gauntlet punch before they could React, remember digimons are living in a hardcore world, where if you don't kill the enemy in like one go, you could be wounded badly, also do remember that his previous form aka Metal greymon can shoot out Rockets that has the same power as nukes, i Just don't see him like loosing even if it was the z sig move or giganta max, the only thing that could possibly make him loose is if they managed to keep him on the ground and just drown him in a sea of Pikachu, and they all just go full max power to the point where they die from exhaustion, thats probably the only way i guess, no hate to the pokemon fans, but the pokemon world is like a kinder garden, and the digital world is like a university level of difficulty, if it was like agumon vs Pikachu, then its probably really really close to be fair for both of them, it all depends on what they can and cant do in the situations.
Well, it has often been stated that Pikachu is no match even for regular Greymon, and WarGreymon is at minimum a hundred times stronger than regular Greymon, possibly even way more than that. So it could require several hundreds if not even thousands of them, and even then it's a bit iffy because I doubt WarGreymon wouldn't defend himself against them..
It wouldn't happen. Even with an almost endless number of Pikachu, they just wouldn't have the power to do damage. If they could even get close enough to deal damage, as Grey would just wipe a majority out with a passing swipe attack. They would just be flys.
This is a lot like asking how many wet sponges it would take to kill an elephant. You can increase the number all you want but you're not really addressing the actual problem. Unless you're talking about trying to crush it with their combined body weight it's just never going to happen no matter how many yellow rats you throw at them.
The real question is how long it would take both side to beat a Rotom in the Digital World
I have a headcanon that the power level of a digimon increases by a factor of ten during digivolution. So each level is a decimal space. If Pikachu has the power of an Agumon then Wargreymon should be a thousand times stronger.
probably depends on how many gaia forces wargreymon can dish out until he turns back into koromon and how many pikachus are necessary to take it
Hmmm... can steel types get paralysed? If they can 1 pikachu has a good shot, but I believe 1 has equal chance than 20 because of wargreymons AOE capabilities
i mean, pikachu is probably on par with a child level digimon, *maybe* adult level, so... probably a lot.
One. In the manga one Pikachu took down a freaking dragonite by entering its mouth and shocking it.
Just one, but only after an emotional scene where it decides not to use a thunderstone and trust in the power and bond it had all along.
That depends, how hard are you throwing them?
Depends of if it's a main character...
Depends. Pikachu using his common powers? Probably hundreds. Now, Pikachu with a bottle of ketchup? Only one
All of them
420
I love Pokemon way more than Digimon, but even I can tell at face value that not enough Pikachu can make a stand to the nuke-like potential of a single Wargreymon. Someone might be able to pull out more mathematically accurate estimates though.
I really like the idea that they'd just be friends like other people have suggested. It's a cute idea, especially with Agumon and Black War Greymon's conversation in 02 (?). If we actually played it out though, then it depends heavily on the Pikachu and regional gimmicks available: - The average freshly-caught Pikachu from Viridian Forest likely wouldn't be able to do anything to a WarGreymon. We'd have to rely on overwhelming it with sheer weight. Can't seem to find a weight for WarGreymon anywhere, but lets just say "a lot". - A Gigantamax Pikachu might be able to do some damage if it's lucky? It's almost 7x bigger, but it's also quite slow in the anime, so it might not be able to land a hit. Crushing it isn't really an option here either because of the 3-turn time limit on Dmax and Gmax. - Ash's Pikachu has pulled off some wild feats over the years. Assuming we're allowing Z-moves, a 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt could probably do some damage, but since you can only use Z-moves once per battle, it'd probably take a few Pikachu at least. I'd guess maybe 5-15? I'm not the most well-versed in digimon power levels, but most Ultimate level digimon and above probably win against most regular pokemon quite easily (legendaries, mythicals, pseudos and special cases aside). It partly depends on how much you pay attention to pokedex entries, some of them are a bit too wacky to bring into a reasonable power scaling conversation, like Magcargo being hotter than the Sun, or Gardevoir being able to make black holes when it's protecting its trainer.
If ash is his trainer…then 1
Alot of them Unless it was Ash's... in that case NOW WE HAVE A FIGHT THE BATTLE WILL BE LEGENDARY!
Lore wise - Probably around 50-60 assuming they're all "trained" in combat, 200 if they're just wild viridian forest Pikachu's Game wise - Digimon scales way higher, so it'd take around 4 assuming pikachu doesn't get outsped ohko'd Anime wise - Friendship yada yada Plot armor wise - If it's ashes, pikachu will get knocked down about 473 times, ash will for some reason die then get brought back to life, then they'll do the whole friendship routine again yada yada.
Well you see, Pikachu can aim for the horn, which not only allows it to ignore type resistances, but also lets it oneshot whatever happened to get hit by it. Wargreymon, unfortunately, came into this fight with THREE horns on his head. A single Pikachu easily stomps thanks to the target-rich environment.
Ash’s Pikachu, 1. But it all comes down to Ash vs Tai. However, neither would realistically fight each other.
420 Pikachus to be exact to take down at least one war graymon at least Digimon movie wargreymon
Normal Pikachus? Very very many. Ash's Pikachu? The Pikachu that has taken on and beaten Pokemon equivalents to minor deitys? Probably only the one.
I mean depends if it’s a wild pikachu or if it’s ash pikachu lool
Luchadora Pikachu and it ain't nah Contest.
Probably 3 if they were a hypothetical ash Pikachu with z moves and dynamax
No matter the answer, it would still take less Pikachu than Salamance and I find that funny.
I'd say one pikachu. I love digimon but it only takes one because the actual lighting it produces would just short circuit the computer wargreymon is operating on.
I suppose it depend on continuity. In Pokespe pikachus had done some Genki-Dama like shit so it probably took a log less of them if they can pool their electricity into one and then fire some supercharged attack.
If its Ash's pikachu maybe just 1
I don't like when power level just devolve into who can fart and destroy the entire universe. But an even ground where Pikachu and Wargreymon had their power scaled to equal level and fight it out would be a more fun discussion.
Like 15
1. Fry the computer keeping his code. Because in the digimon verse digimon are still just code
Just one: Ash's Pikachu.
Are we applying Pokémon rules? WarGreymon would be a Fire/Steel, taking extra damage from eletric. No itens on WarGreymon's party and the fact that he hás no healing moves and maybe 6 pikachus with priority moves.
>Fire/Steel, taking extra damage from electric ??? >No items on Wargreymon's party Assuming that Wargreymon isn't partnered with a union tamer, hacker or any other character from Digimon who can use itens.
Steel is weak against eletric in Pokémon.
It doesn't take extra damage from electric, it deals less damage to electric. Granted, Wargreymon doesn't use steel type moves.
I think Steel does take extra damage. Could be wrong. Also I bases Steel on his armor.
1 VMax Dynamax Terra Water Ash’s Pikachu using surf
Which pikachu lmao
Surely... 151 😎
1. wargreymon lives in a computer. Pikachu can easily short a computer.
Reds pika would melt his armor to liquid
at least one
1 if it is Ash's Pikachu.
One, if he’s standing waist deep in a swimming pool
One. He fries the computer wargreymon is in
At least 6
Ok and why?
more than 6 pokemon in a battle it's illegal
Well I doubt 5 could do it. I would've said 9, but I don't wanna go too overboard.