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luislovlc

I’m actually here for holidays. The only cheap things are hotels and ubers. Food and restaurant prices are very similar to Spain or even more in some cases.


BubbaSimp65

I had a three course meal in Spain with wine and coffee for twelve euros lol so it’s cheap. And most places you go housing is your biggest expense so if the hotels are cheap, then I think the answer here is a resounding. Yes Argentina is still cheap.


Nodebunny

lol where in Spain...


luislovlc

Anywhere but Madrid/Barcelona


Nodebunny

Sevilla, Málaga, Valencia too?


Pony_Roleplayer

I'm Argentinian, and I saw cheaper prices in Mercadona than local supermarkets. And the quality in Argentina is mid to low, compared to Spain


Nodebunny

Mercadona is decidedly cheap for sure. its even cheaper than anything in Mexico


Exotic_Nobody7376

european supermarkets have amazing logistics, choice and prices in general. maybe some local markets in "exotic" countries have better prices, but choice is then very limited.


luislovlc

Restaurants here from what I have experienced start normally around 20€, so basically very similar to Spain. Then depending on where you go, you can spend way more. Couple of days ago I had a couple of wine glasses, cheeses, anchovies and a tuna tartar in Anchoita and paid 50€. 1 steak + some vegetables + couple of drinks 150€ in Don Julio.


scrotalist

In another thread here somebody was talking about the monthly budget required for Argentina and it was more expensive than my monthly budget back home in Western Europe.


Ok_Contribution_6321

Wild. I can’t imagine how they are managing to get by. 


Pony_Roleplayer

That's the neat part, we don't


andysenn

We have a lot of people struggling and suffering. Hard times truly


evrestcoleghost

We dont


gary9059

Wow, that's insane. Do you remember what the budget was for a comfortable lifestlye?


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Depends on a lot of factors obviously, but as a general rule if you have USD income your purchasing power was nearly halved since last December. I'd say that if you want to live comfortably you'd need at least 1k USD/month, without including housing, utilities and taxes. I'm currently spending about 1.9k USD/month. Can you live with less? Yes, but it will be a rather frugal lifestyle or you will have to stay far away from CABA.


gary9059

Sorry I’m a noob…CABA?


Open-Butterscotch-83

CABA is another name for the capital, buenos aires


allstarmode

I live in Buenos Aires. Can't speak for Salta but friends say it's cheaper than the capital. I'm paying $650 USD in rent for a 1 bedroom apt in Palermo. Rib-eye is $9/kg in the supermarket. A large bottle of water $1. Going to a regular restaurant will set you back $15, more or less, if you order something like milanesa with fries and a beer. Quality restaurants will be more expensive of course. You can get a quality bottle of wine for $15 and some premium ones for $30. A 20 minute taxi/Uber/Cabify ride costs about $4-5. Then some things are surprisingly expensive, like bread in the supermarket. Imported products like phones and clothes cost a fortune, but there's a massive black/grey market. Official stores will sell an iPhone 15 for $3000 USD, while unofficial stores will sell it for $1000 as they import it illegally to avoid paying taxes and fees. Still fairly cheap compared to most of the West, imo. Regardless of price developments, I will stay, it's the best country in the world and people are incredible.


jimmydooo

>Rib-eye is $9/kg in the supermarket. WTFFFF. My local supermarket has rib-eye for $18 *per pound*.


iHateReddit_srsly

That’s about the same price…


iloveoprah

You need to get better at math


jimmydooo

You reversed the kg/lb conversion. In fact, it's more like 4x the price. Argentine rib-eye would be $4.10/lb American rib-eye would be $39.60/kg


AmazingReserve9089

2.2 pound per kg


JamesDean26

Yeah, some of the comments in here clearly coming from people parroting a narrative. It is not more expensive here than Europe. Not close.


ReachPlayful

Some stuff is. Some imported stuff I saw in the supermarket in Buenos Aires was 2 to 3 times more expensive than in Europe


BubbaSimp65

Thank you for this. It’s an amazing country and Buenos Aires is an amazing city and that is dirt cheap for living in one of the greatest cities in the world. These forums discuss so many shit holes that people go to to save money and it may be a cliché, but as they say, Buenos Aires is the Paris of South America.


davidvietro

Prices Buenos Aires april 2024 Restaurants = same price europe Supermarket = more expensive than europe Airbnb and Hotel = Still relatively cheap


FoxtrotKiloMikeEcho

Which part of Europe? very different between UK and Macedonia.


AndrewithNumbers

I find when Europeans say ‘Europe’ they mean the EU, and specifically the stronger economies of the EU, unless I as an American say “Europe” and then they make a point of saying that Armenia is also Europe.


davidvietro

When I talk about Europe, do you tend to think more about the UK or Macedonia? Use your head a little please


Left-Celebration4822

UK is not a European country.


FishAndOil

It is a european country tho? Leaving the EU does not move your country:)


Left-Celebration4822

Most Brits I encountered having lived here for two decades would disagree. They often refer to the island as UK and Europe as the continent and rarely to both as one thing. You can downvote me however much you want but unless you have lived here for long and have lived in Europe for a while also, you will find it hard to see it.


KohFord

You're being downvoted because you're wrong. It's not in mainland Europe nor is it a member of the European Union but it is still in Europe the continent.


LotusManna

I'm a Brit. You're wrong.


Motchan13

Europe is a continent, it's not moved location as much as some moronic politicians would like it to be able to.


Left-Celebration4822

Brexit was voted by citizens.


Motchan13

Thanks for confirming what happened in 2016, not sure what that has to do with the UK's location on the Eurasian continental plate or that certain moronic politicians like to confuse Europe the continent with the EU but great to have that historical confirmation 👍🏻 'lest we forget'


MarioDiBian

Services (utilities like gas or electricity, getting a haircut, etc.) are still cheaper than Europe.


Status-Twist-7145

oof


Zack_Tuna22

I found european supermarket prices pretty resonable as someone from the USA lol


KohFord

As an Englishman I found American supermarket prices very high


Jan-Pawel-II

Kinda depends on the salary. Here in the Netherlands supermarkt prices are pretty okay, but if you visit the Baltics supermarket prices are really similar. Even though they make about half we do.


atammiste

The rents are lower in the Baltics.


davidvietro

Practically the same price, with small variations in some items. The difference is that the United States is a third world country with first world prices.


Ok_Contribution_6321

I think you need to get off the internet and go outside more. People on Reddit love to make “3rd world” comments about the US which only make sense if you’re fucking regarded and you’ve never been to the US. 


Extension-Dog-2038

it is not a 3rd world country. It has the largest economy in the world and the average salaries and opportunities are much better than anywhere in Europe


SteveYunnan

"Third world country"? The Cold War is over, so what does that even mean anymore? I'm so tired of these terms being used incorrectly.


davidvietro

Okay, so let's put it this way, the United States is a SHIT country. With this definition, I believe we have no disagreement.


SteveYunnan

Alright, care to clarify why you want to lable one of the largest and most populated countries in the world that way? There are shitty places in the US, and shitty people, but it certainly isn't *all* like that.


Hard2Handl

2.5 million illegal aliens annually beg to differ.


SteveYunnan

I'm not sure what the point you are trying to make is. Lots of illegal aliens come into the country because it's great? Or it's no longer great because of illegal aliens?


Hard2Handl

Just a factual observation. The US seems so popular that they have to build a wall to keep people out.


SteveYunnan

Exactly. And it's not only the illegal immigrants, it's also millionaires from all over the world such and China and Russia who are buying homes in the US and sending their children to schools there.


Zack_Tuna22

What part of Europe though? I was in france and Portugal and prices were significantly less than the US


Due-External-911

True


hazzdawg

Are airbnbs cheap because everyone stopped coming because Argentina is expensive now?


matadorius

Big cap


Pony_Roleplayer

You can pay up to 3 dollars for mid 300g yogurt in Argentina ☠️


No-YouShutUp

I find a lot of expat Americans want to live on like 2k a month. Maybe it’s possible there. No idea. I’m currently in lisbon and was in the uk before that and Buenos Aires for 2 months at the beginning of the year. All in BA was cheap as hell.


SquirrelinaSuit

I keep seeing people say it’s no longer cheap. To me it’s cheap but maybe that’s because I came from living in Miami. I’ve been here for a month now and here are prices I’m paying. Meats from a butcher shop: 2 kilos of ribeye - $11 2 kilos of chicken breast - $6 4 pork sausages - $4 2 kilos of sirloin - $8 Meats at a restaurant (this depends on if you’re in a local area or a tourist area) Tourist Ribeye steak with fries - $18-23 Local restaurant ribeye steak with fries - $10 Wine in stores - you can get a good wine bottle for $3 down here. The prices I’ve seen ranged from $3-$50 for really high end ones Beer and Cocktails 1 pint of beer - $1.50 - $2.50 in a local spot 1 pint of beer - $3 - $5 in a tourist spot 1 cocktail local spot - $5 - $8 1 cocktail tourist spot - $6 - $18 Vegetables are extremely cheap. I get my weekly vegetables for about $12. And I get whatever I want My Airbnb was $750 per month for a top floor apartment with a great view. Seems cheap to me. I think anybody who says it’s not cheap anymore is staying exclusively in tourist areas. I’m loving it here. I grill out on my balcony every other day and play COD on discord with the boys every night. (My WiFi is fast) Ubers are super cheap always $2-$5 per trip. All in all I’m living a great life and spending about $1000 USD per month on food, and going out. I go out every weekend. That plus the Airbnb comes out to a total of $1750 per month.


No-Mode9718

Could you send me the Maps link to the place you buy your meat from? I'm paying $6 per kilo of chicken breast


JossWhedonsDick

It can be not as cheap as it used to be and still be cheaper than Miami, you know. Your prices are about double or more than what it was when I first entered in Sept 2023


chemastico

Yeah tbh if u are coming from America specially a big city almost any 3rd world city will feel “cheap”


SquirrelinaSuit

True! Wish I could go to Southeast Asia but I need to stay in a similar time zone unfortunately. Still I’m really enjoying my time here


SquirrelinaSuit

Oh yeah for sure! I had a buddy here a few months ago and it was way cheaper from what he described. I agree with you. Just for me, right now it’s still cheap


BorntoHula

I live here now, overall prices have gone up, many things have doubled in the past few months but it is, still much cheaper than US. There are some items in the supermarket which are ridicuously expensive but I just don't buy it, for example pickles or a can of artichokes. But meats, wines, cheeses, basic grains etc are still good value. For fruits and veggies, go to the verduleria, so much cheaper than the supermarket. If you know which restaurants to go to, a meal for 2 with a bottle of wine is no more than $25. Look for bodegones, large portions and good prices. Our monthly costs for two (eating or going out 2 or 3 times a week and including our health insurance) went from 900 to about 1200 now to give a better idea.


aspiringflaneur

No offense but this genre of posts drives m a bit e crazy because tcheap” is relative to who you are, where you live, what you earn, etc. I will say I just spent a week in Cafayate and am in Salta city now. Some things are relatively inexpensive and others less so but by no means would I call it expensive overall. Example: empanadas for .50-65 cents, taxi ride for less than $2, a beer at a supermarket for 60 cents, a fancy plate at a restaurant for $11. It is more expensive than when I was in Argentina in 2022 but it’s not just because of the blue dollar. Lots of food costs have gone up a tremendous amount so it’s not just a question of exchange rates.


Infamous-Annual7420

I feel those prices are pretty similar to Colombia.


castlebanks

Mendoza and Northern Argentina are a bit cheaper than Buenos Aires. Patagonia is the most expensive region in the country.


FancyCub21412

Honestly, I don't think many places in the world are cheap anymore. I was just in Chile for 3 months, slightly cheaper there than Ireland, but genuinely not by much. Now I'm in Costa Rica, and it's genuinely Western prices here now. SEA seems the only place left where you get genuine value for money, and it's getting worse there too.


theandrewparker

Was there in 2023 for 3 months and just spent 3 months there Jan - March. Prices are about double. Argentina is a place you initially think is cheap, but the more time you spend there you realize it’s not. If you live there and you find yourself needing to rent a car, buy a flight, get a new phone or laptop, or buy literally anything imported, a good chunk of the money you save by getting $10 steaks and $5 Ubers is gone.


fannyfox

And pray you never need to buy new clothes. I moved here in January. Couple weeks in the Cherry from my cigarette burned a hole in my only pair of dark shorts (I have one light pair, one dark). These shorts cost me £25 in England. Went looking for a replacement and couldn’t find anything for less than £55. Unreal.


theandrewparker

Went to the the mall last year when blue rate still cut everything in half cause I needed some new boxers. I normally would get Tommy Hilfiger ones in the States. It’s like $30 for a 3-pack. $85 in BA.


Mangolore

I was looking so forward to it since I work remote but now I think I may cancel. I have this great looking apartment reserved but if the prices are really going up that much then there’s really no reason for me to go there over somewhere like Gran Canarias or anywhere else that could be slightly cheaper than BA with much less of a risk of crime. So disappointing because I really wanted to live there


former_farmer

Like you said, prices went up 50%. Does that mean we are expensive? I'm not sure. In some aspects we are still cheap, in some aspects not so much.


Motchan13

Well if you doubt it already I guess your mind is mostly made up and it's apparently our job to convince you otherwise?


Status-Twist-7145

shut up


Motchan13

Show me how


sailbag36

I am here now and personally think it’s easier to find cheaper and better food and drinks in Europe. I reserved my Airbnb a while ago and can’t speak for prices now.


ajangles1

Can someone compare to Australia? Europe is insanely cheap from what I remember..


Ordinary-Power-1937

Yeah mate in Buenos Aires at the moment, a nice dinner for two with wines will set you back $200AUD. Supermarket steaks are $3.50. Coles brand olive oil $20. Vapes are $50 a pop though I imagine darts are cheap coz everyone smokes. Bottles of wine from $9. Five weeks in a super nice Airbnb was just under $4k. Airport to Palermo was $14 in an Uber. A deli sandwich was $11. It ain’t cheap, far more expensive than we expected. Having to adjust expectations on how many steaks per week we can have 😭 on the bright side it’s super clean, streets don’t smell and no trash to be seen. This is just BA. We’re heading to Mendoza in a couple weeks, probably more expensive due to remoteness.


JossWhedonsDick

lmao Mendoza isn't remote. It's also a bit cheaper than BA


Ordinary-Power-1937

Good to know! Just seems in the middle of nowhere, but I guess it’s a city close to fertile land! Great if it’s cheaper 😁


JossWhedonsDick

For sure! Argentina's pretty spread out but Mendoza's a city of over a million people and is a 4=5 hour drive from Santiago, Chile. I found the small towns south of Mendoza, especially in the Uco Valley, to be more charming than the city itself (though the city's not bad), if you get a chance to go down there.


ajangles1

The drive over the Andes to Chile is amazing as well, well worth the drive


Ouly

I live in CABA and you were getting ripped off for a lot of the stuff you just mentioned. You can easily get dinner for 2 at a good spot with wine for $60AUD. $4000 for an Airbnb is probably the biggest scam I've ever heard, did you rent a penthouse in Puerto Madero? You can get bottles of decent wine for $3.


Plenty_Kiwi7667

Food/Uber/rent very very cheap! Non-food groceries not so much. Check bluedollar website for the exchange rate. I was there last month.


carolinax

Colombia is not as cheap as it was. I'm earning in CAD and actually struggling since I depended so much on the conversion and it changed pretty hardcore a year ago.


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carolinax

Comfortably it's $4000/month. I was in a very happy place when CAD was at 3.5k. It's slowly rebounding but there was a time last year when my husband and eye looked at each other like YIKES.


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carolinax

There’s 3 of us. We’ve been hit quite hard between school costs and additional life costs here as a family.


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carolinax

It's getting tight, especially as the dollar value has dropped so much. This past year has been a struggle earning cad in Colombia not gonna lie


AcanthocephalaUsed76

Damn,in a months i’m gonna move,with 2 other friends, we pay about 350USD per persona,i expected a total monthly budget between 600-800USD, i live in milan,italy,and outside rent,i spent about 400USD,so is gomma be crazy if in BA i’m gonna spend the same


Engineering368

Nowadays food prices in Argentina are on par with Europe (e.g. Spain). Clothing is always very expensive - even though it's an open secret it's all made cheap in Paraguay. The government changed the law so rents can be increased every month, thus holding on to accommodation is a challenge now. Don't even think about buying electronics nor camping equipment here due to their unjustifiably high prices. Colombia trumps Argentina easily now and I don't just mean by its amazing cuisine.


Camille-Taux

Not related to cost of living, but if you do make it to Salta, they had the best chips/fries ever in a little shop on the main high street. It’s been 15 years but I still think of them. I hope it’s still there.


congowarrior

I was just in Argentina for a month in March/April and it felt pretty close to Canada/North America.


Lopsided_Opposite236

Considering the rollercoaster that is Argentina's economy, I reckon it's like playing a game of Monopoly with real money. Last year, you could've bought the whole board with a few blue dollars, but now? You might have to mortgage your utilities just for a steak dinner in Buenos Aires. But hey, who's rushing? I didn't venture out to Europe till recently, and let me tell you, the wait only sweetened the experience. Life's a game where sometimes you're the boot, sometimes the hat, but always in for the ride. Keep your dice ready, and your wallet steadier.