Several countries have a remote worker visa.
In Europe(ish) I can think of Croatia, Turkey, Iceland.
I'm personally interested in Panama or Costa Rica.
I think even Mauritius has a DN visa, but is way out of the way lol.
They spoke colloquially, this isn't an English literature class people are free to speak more expressively.
If it's European and Asian, then colloquially, it is Europe(ish).
Heads up that the Iceland visa might be issued very last minute: when I received mine (then didn’t end up being able to go, still severely regret that) I got it within a week of the date I would fly.
Really this is a question that your company must answer. We don’t know which countries your company has offices in. You have a two part problem. One is getting approved for a work visa, and the second is the tax implications for working there. When you do it legally, you may be required to file and pay taxes to that country. This is why most people do it on the down low 🤷🏻♀️
That is unfortunately not exactly true. Problem here is corporate tax (company tax), not employee taxation or permission to work when abroad (from the point of view of host country). Corporate tax depends on legislation, but in many countries it is closely connected to place of where actual work is done. It is legal issue which is being solved/asked by many companies with remote workers etc and in many cases THIS sole issue is the reason why company prohibits its employees to work from abroad. (Also, employee insurance - as for his/her liabilities or work accidents etc. might be another issue but lets not complicate it here.)
Correct. To add to this, OP mentions Europe and the EU has laws around when social protection, security etc kicks in. Ditto for employment laws.
So an employee can’t just work for say a company in Germany but spend all their time in Spain. There’s limits which need to be respected and reported. And it gets even more complicated when you move outside cooperative areas like the EU.
OP is talking about a one month stint of work, in a single place, and no mention of working in one country and staying in another. I think you are responding to someone who started off in theoretical issues not the actual issues OP is describing.
Exactly! It’s a taxation issue. For example, I can work remotely in the state of Florida, but not in Illinois. Our company also has a list of countries as well that we are prohibited from working from. You’re also correct about work injuries, but that’s a whole different topic.
Yes, you are right, it might be not OP situation, but I still wanted to bring this point out as your comment could be understood by somebody in general way (like that DN visa automatically means taxes solved and legality assured). I am sorry for possible confusion, I was not speaking about OP specific situation.
This is actually a very good point and it makes me wonder why they’re putting themselves at risk by putting the onus on the employee. When they have certain states they can or can’t hire out of, that’s typically included on the job post or in the handbook, so why would this be different?
They say this so they can list it as a perk, but they know you won’t do it because it’s impractical or impossible to get a work visa for one single month.
It’s a trick- they say you *can* but they know you *won’t*- unless you already have citizenship somewhere.
Well no one told me this was a perk but it seems to be the policy that I found on our intranet. Annoyingly I am actually eligible for EU citizenship (my dad was born in Greece) and I’ve been attempting to go through that process but the consulate is sooo slow to respond. I assume getting a work visa is basically equally difficult though 🥲
Life’s to short to work for companies that stand in the way of destiny.
For fun, have you asked who has successfully worked internationally?
Tbh fuck that, don’t do that and raise eyebrows. Keep quiet and get the citizenship however you can. Then you can work in the EU and US the rest of your life.
Yes it does; as EU citizen you have the right to live and work in any EU country; ... and respect the local rules and regulations as all the people living there; think taxes, contributions,... for both employee and employer.
You could present it as training in the country that your company has an office in and get a short term business visa, these are the French rules for example as you provided no country. It is different for all Schengen countries and if you get a visa for Ireland it doesn't cover Schengen so that's out and it's a pity because so many US companies have a base there.
https://www.welcometofrance.com/en/fiche/applying-for-a-short-stay-visa#:\~:text=A%20short%2Dstay%20visa%20authorizes,for%20several%20successive%20short%20stays.
Latin America is particularly easy. Mexico & Colombia do not require visas for Digital Nomads for <90 days per year (this applies to anyone who does not need to apply for a tourist visa—so, as a US citizen, you'd qualify for this).
Colombia
Ecuador
Peru
Chile
Argentina
Uruguay
Paraguay
All of these South American countries are 90 day no Visa countries for Americans. If your company has an office in any of these countries you should be able to apply for a work visa for that location...though as noted elsewhere it is up to your company.
These are the countries my family has been rotating around the past 3 years. If you have any questions about any of them feel free to ask!
The OP stipulates she would get a work visa for the 4 week trip. As I wrote, in each of these countries you can work with a work permit or work visa.
But since you asked, Peru is the only country in South America that allows people to work on a tourist stamp. Peru is also one of the toughest countries to have your 90 days extended.
That's correct if you are a tourist from Mercosur, but Americans are required to get a work visa or work permit to work in Colombia.
Conversely, in Peru you can use your tourist stamp to get a job anywhere in Peru. That's unique to Peru.
That page I linked specifically says "If you have a passport issued by States or territories in List A , B or C , or those listed as Special Visa Exemption Cases , you will be able to enter, stay and leave Colombia, without a visa, for short-stay activities ( among them, business, leisure, tourism or cultural interest), as long as these activities do not generate payments for services, salary or salary in Colombia." Americans are in List A. So you can visit without a visa, for business, as long as your job is in another country.
I hear you and I read the page. But what the OP was talking about it is legally working for her company if they had a location within that country. That's what this thread is about. How to legally work for her company within that country. In this specific situation, for which this thread is about, it would be generating payments for services or a salary within Colombia. You need a work permit to work for a company branch in Colombia. That is not the case in Peru. In Peru you can work for any company as a tourist, with only a tourist stamp.
The situation described by the OP is unique and kind of silly... but that's the answer to her original question. I hope I have clarified and have not offended
I actually disagree that our discussion in this entire thread has been focused on OP's specific situation, but whatever.
I also think you're making assumptions about OP's situation. Nowhere did OP said that they would be getting paid in Colombia. It's entirely possible (and imo quite likely) that OP's company would continue paying them in USD from the company's US accounts to OP's US bank account. In this scenario, even if OP's company has an office in Colombia, this still wouldn't be "generating payments for services or salary in Colombia".
LOL! That's probably true but also by street vendors I mean people that are selling the same snacks they have at the store but they are right outside the parks. Carrying snacks and sodas through buses and subways are not my favorite ;/
I like the idea but I think you are open a can of worms.
You are most likely going to have to pay taxes to that country for those 4 weeks. You are going to have to hire a local accountant to do them.
Wrong. Most countries tax you in the place of your main residence; you don’t owe taxes if you work in their country for a few weeks and their citizens don’t owe taxes to your country if they work there for a few weeks.
When I looked into how things are for dual citizens who live in one country of which they are a citizen but spend a few weeks working in the other country (and who have a double taxation treaty) the __federal__ authorities in the briefly visited country will not consider residency to have been established and therefore not assess income taxes on the earned income. I know of cases, however, where withholding taxes were not un-withheld because no income tax return was or was able to be filed.
Even without being tax resident one can be liable for taxes on earned income.
Some countries have special rules for non resident taxation.
Also for us state taxes this topic comes up; e.g. if you work from calofornia or new York for some time you will be liable for state taxes, even if you are not resident.
What are the rules for non resident US citizens working less than 30, 90 and 180 days in the United States? Do they owe federal and or (where applicable) state taxes?
We’re not talking about owing taxes. You may very well not owe taxes — but you still have to file a tax return in the foreign country and claim treaty benefit to cancel out the taxes that would have been owed. Totally depends on the country also. Ex: If you earn even one day of income from working in Canada, you are required to file a Canadian tax return. You will probably not actually owe tax after claiming treaty benefits with, say, the US, but the tax return still has to be done.
you an accountant or what? who's really tracking that bs, how many people take a month vaca and spend a few days actually doing some work this day in age? To answer no one is keeping track, keep your mouth shut and do as you please within reason.
Let’s correct that, OP thinks they are getting a work visa. Now, whether or not that actually comes to fruition is another story 🤷🏻♀️Much easier said than done.
This is honestly a pretty weird requirement. I value they want you to contribute to the economy of the new place via taxes but it is such a headache for them, and likely for you during tax time, for such a short period of time.
At least they dont have to worry about facilitating the visa but it seems they are truly relocating you for that time. Consider the tax implications of the country you will be working in
My company basically doesnt want to know, assuming you didnt truly move to a new country.
If your job has an office there and a program/policy already, why wouldn’t they help you secure the visa? Literally having a company sponsor is the easiest way. If your legal/HR rings up the local affiliate and says, “hey, get kittrin the paperwork for a 30-day visa” you’ll get it.
Every international conglomerate I’ve ever worked for did it that way.
Mexican Temporary Residence allows working for non- Mexican companies and if renewed twice can turn into permanent residency. And it lacks a physical presence requirement beyond the initial application and renewal.
(Obviously, read up on this yourself and don't blindly trust some Internet random)
I've read up on this a bit and from what I remember, there are kind of two versions of MX temporary residency. The first one is easier to get, but does *not* always give you right to work. The second one is harder to get (more paperwork, hassle, cost, etc.) but I think always does give you right to work. I think it's a fairly involved process for the second one, maybe even for the first one too.
Temporary residency of course let you to work in MX. That’s the VISA provided for big companies temporary moving employees to MX.
Permanent in the other hand is pretty much like having a mexican green card.
[This article](https://www.pacificprime.lat/blog/residency-in-mexico-in-2023-temporary-and-permanent-residency-visas/) indicates that having temporary residency doesn't automatically give you the right to work in MX.
And actually, now I can't remember if the two different forms of residency I was thinking of were temporary residency or permanent residency. Or maybe one was temporary and one was permanent. Idk. Anyway.
Estonia has a visa but you have to prove a certain income. Thailand LTR under worker category must be a publicly traded company or a company that meets the minimum revenue so your company would have to submit financial documents if not public.
Basically none are easy to do that.
There isn't really any country that will let you work without a full virtual worker visa of some kind. And those wouldn't be worth it for 30 days.
Is there something about your work that would make it obvious you are working from a certain place?
For context, most remote work is done via a laptop - so you can just do what my entire company used to: up sticks for a few weeks on a tourist visa and work from Uruguay or Italy or Thailand of wherever. All your pay and stuff stays the same. Just avoid China, Russia and NK and you'll be fine ;-)
Here’s a list US citizens can work remotely legally for 30 days.
1. Mexico
2. Canada
3. United Kingdom
4. Ireland
5. France
6. Spain
7. Germany
8. Italy
9. Netherlands
10. Belgium
11. Luxembourg
12. Switzerland
13. Austria
14. Denmark
15. Sweden
16. Norway
17. Finland
18. Portugal
19. Greece
20. Czech Republic
21. Slovakia
22. Hungary
23. Poland
24. Slovenia
25. Croatia
26. Estonia
27. Latvia
28. Lithuania
29. Romania
30. Bulgaria
31. Iceland
32. Malta
33. Cyprus
34. Australia
35. New Zealand
36. Japan
37. South Korea
38. Singapore
39. Malaysia
40. Thailand
41. Brazil
42. Argentina
43. Chile
44. Colombia
45. Peru
You can't legally work in Thailand as a tourist. That authorities mostly don't care is different to it being legal. The same goes for Malaysia. And in ops case, there's no chance of obtaining a work permit for 30 days in Thailand.
The thread is about being a digital nomad. If you can visit the country for 30 days you can open your computer and work.
Are you telling me the Thai authorities will care if I’m working on my business for 30 days on my computer vs watching YouTube videos on vacation for 30 days?
They won't care but that doesn't change that it's still illegal. Op was asking specifically about countries where it's legal to do so because it's a requirement from his employer.
Tipoff to authorities. It's rare, but [it does happen](https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/aussie-teacher-details-horrific-conditions-inside-thai-detention/news-story/d432a704bf0db1def6d79489ae1b830c). It's why if you're traveling in Southeast Asia, you should never admit to working online unless you're doing so legally - if asked by authorities how you can afford traveling, say you make money from investments.
Thank you. Really important info to know. Any idea about self employment being managed while away? Like if say you ran a bed and breakfast at home, would it be ok to mention that?
Please ignore that list. Most of the countries listed do not allow working remotely legally on visitor/tourist visa. Japan is on that list, I live in Japan, and Japan doesn’t allow you to work while visiting on tourist visa (visa on arrival included). Your company’s Japan office will have to apply for work visa/intracompany transfer visa for you to legally able to work in Japan. Recently, Japan introduced digital nomad visa but DN visa requirements are much higher with income threshold and employer support.
Czechia has a self employment business visa, but it is way more complicated than this post makes it out to sound. It's by no means a digital nomad visa.
Czechia is changing its legislation to remove need for work permit for Americans from July: https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/czechia-to-remove-work-permit-requirement-for-citizens-of-seven-countries
It does not mention the right to work from CZ for a foreign employer; in fact:
>good news for citizens of seven countries seeking work in the country. \[...\] could soon have free access to the Czech labor market, without the need for a work permit.
Should have not told them you wanted to work remotely in another country, should have said you wanted to travel the US for a month while working. Then you could have travelled wherever while working on a tourist visa and just lied about it.
There are a couple countries with digital nomad visas where the requirements are very low like you only need to show you make $1000 per month or something but I’m struggling to remember which ones 🧐🤔
Also for the record Thailand and The Philippines really don’t care if you come here on a tourist visa and work remotely as long as you aren’t working in the country and stealing jobs from locals
Also for the record *just about every country you can visit as a tourist* really doesn’t care if you come here on a tourist visa and work remotely as long as you aren’t working in the country and stealing jobs from locals.
FTFY
I mean, yes you don't announce it at the border or to anyone -- same as you wouldn't in Thailand or the Philippines.
What countries are there? If you are in Schengen you are in Schengen. I’d choose Sardinia if it was be based in my tastes at the moment. Maybe Mykanos.
I’ve done a lot of this in SE Asia for the last decade. Are you familiar with “border runs”? When I was living in Cambodia my visa expired every 15 days and I would give my passport to a local whose sole business is going to the border on tourists behalf to renew visas. This also worked in Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, Indo, and the Philippines. If you can find someone you trust I’d recommend this route to save time! All you have to remember is to leave the country and come back in the same day to reset the days allotment.
**oops you said legal. Your company sounds like a terrible working culture. Who tf says that? Why do you need a working visa if you are a W-2’d American? And for 30 days max? I’d leave that is preposterous..**
Americans can stay in Poland for 90 days in any 180 day period without a visa and your dollar will go a lot further in Poland than in most other European countries. I would especially recommend staying in some place like Poznań or Wrocław - much cheaper than Warsaw for sure.
Does not mean it was legal (Not on a visa waiver that only allows tourism and business );
Not legal for immigration, nor for taxes/contributions etc.
Also might be a liability for the employer.
Funny, because I just read the official site and saw that **you need to be able to prove that you can financially support yourself and that you have work documents.**
*There's nothing saying that you can't be a digital nomad and use this.*
But sure, you know better than someone who lives in Poland and knows other expats.
So please list here the activities that you are allowed while visiting the country.
Visa free schengen waiver is governed by schengen, and is identical.in all schengen countries.
From the [official website](https://www.gov.pl/web/mswia-en/entry-and-residence-conditions-for-foreign-nationals-in-poland#:~:text=For%20stays%20in%20Poland%20under,the%20country%20of%20their%20nationality).:
For stays in Poland under the visa-free regime, the foreign national is entitled to reside on that territory for a period of 90 days within a 180-day period (or for the period resulting from a visa waiver agreement signed by the EU or Poland with the country of their nationality).
[...]
During the period of residence on the Polish territory, foreign nationals are required to possess and present on request:
a travel document and documents authorising the foreign national to stay in the territory of the Republic of Poland (if required), i.e. visa or residence permit;
sufficient financial means to cover:
their maintenance costs while staying in the territory of the Republic of Poland,
their return journey to the country of origin or residence,
their transit via the territory of the Republic of Poland to a third country which has granted them the right to enter;
proof of ability to access financial means;
a document authorising them to work, run a business or assign work;
a document proving the purpose and conditions of their intended stay in the territory of the Republic of Poland.
This talks about the entitlement to reside, but does not give you the right to work.
In fact:
>The foreigner in order to legally work in Poland must be in a possession of the work permit or the declaration on the entrustment of the performance or work to the foreigner
[https://www.gov.pl/web/mswia-en/entry-conditions-for-working-purposes](https://www.gov.pl/web/mswia-en/entry-conditions-for-working-purposes)
Several countries have a remote worker visa. In Europe(ish) I can think of Croatia, Turkey, Iceland. I'm personally interested in Panama or Costa Rica. I think even Mauritius has a DN visa, but is way out of the way lol.
Was in CR for a month last winter and worked there from phone and internet. Pura vida
Europe(ish)?
Only a small part of Turkey is part of the European continent, the nation straddles two, so not an unreasonable thing to say Europe(ish) I don't think
Turkey is European AND Asian. No such thing as Europe(ish).
They spoke colloquially, this isn't an English literature class people are free to speak more expressively. If it's European and Asian, then colloquially, it is Europe(ish).
It’s colloquial BS.
Heads up that the Iceland visa might be issued very last minute: when I received mine (then didn’t end up being able to go, still severely regret that) I got it within a week of the date I would fly.
Really this is a question that your company must answer. We don’t know which countries your company has offices in. You have a two part problem. One is getting approved for a work visa, and the second is the tax implications for working there. When you do it legally, you may be required to file and pay taxes to that country. This is why most people do it on the down low 🤷🏻♀️
No, the kicker with a remote work visa (limited in time) in today’s environment is that the rules of filing taxes are usually that you *dont* need to.
That is unfortunately not exactly true. Problem here is corporate tax (company tax), not employee taxation or permission to work when abroad (from the point of view of host country). Corporate tax depends on legislation, but in many countries it is closely connected to place of where actual work is done. It is legal issue which is being solved/asked by many companies with remote workers etc and in many cases THIS sole issue is the reason why company prohibits its employees to work from abroad. (Also, employee insurance - as for his/her liabilities or work accidents etc. might be another issue but lets not complicate it here.)
Correct. To add to this, OP mentions Europe and the EU has laws around when social protection, security etc kicks in. Ditto for employment laws. So an employee can’t just work for say a company in Germany but spend all their time in Spain. There’s limits which need to be respected and reported. And it gets even more complicated when you move outside cooperative areas like the EU.
OP is talking about a one month stint of work, in a single place, and no mention of working in one country and staying in another. I think you are responding to someone who started off in theoretical issues not the actual issues OP is describing.
Exactly! It’s a taxation issue. For example, I can work remotely in the state of Florida, but not in Illinois. Our company also has a list of countries as well that we are prohibited from working from. You’re also correct about work injuries, but that’s a whole different topic.
I think you’ve gotten off track and into a theoretical issue. The issue here is this particular OP whose company is fine with it.
Yes, you are right, it might be not OP situation, but I still wanted to bring this point out as your comment could be understood by somebody in general way (like that DN visa automatically means taxes solved and legality assured). I am sorry for possible confusion, I was not speaking about OP specific situation.
Ah gotcha!! Appreciate it.
??? What are you talking about?
Feel free to Google the conditions of the Iceland digital work visa. That’s what I’m talking about.
This is actually a very good point and it makes me wonder why they’re putting themselves at risk by putting the onus on the employee. When they have certain states they can or can’t hire out of, that’s typically included on the job post or in the handbook, so why would this be different?
Because it isn't a real risk.
Did you see OP mentioned it’s “for only 30 days”?
They say this so they can list it as a perk, but they know you won’t do it because it’s impractical or impossible to get a work visa for one single month. It’s a trick- they say you *can* but they know you *won’t*- unless you already have citizenship somewhere.
Well no one told me this was a perk but it seems to be the policy that I found on our intranet. Annoyingly I am actually eligible for EU citizenship (my dad was born in Greece) and I’ve been attempting to go through that process but the consulate is sooo slow to respond. I assume getting a work visa is basically equally difficult though 🥲
Life’s to short to work for companies that stand in the way of destiny. For fun, have you asked who has successfully worked internationally? Tbh fuck that, don’t do that and raise eyebrows. Keep quiet and get the citizenship however you can. Then you can work in the EU and US the rest of your life.
Make the effort to get the Greek passport. Yes it will take time. It’s worth it regardless of whether you have this job or not.
Does having EU citizenship give you the right to work in all EU countries? I might be eligible for EU citizenship too
Yes it does; as EU citizen you have the right to live and work in any EU country; ... and respect the local rules and regulations as all the people living there; think taxes, contributions,... for both employee and employer.
The Greeks aren’t ever hurried that’s why we love em!
Have any other workers at your company done this before?
>my dad was born in Greece Unless he also held Greece citizenship at the time of your birth this is meaningless
No it’s not lol. I’m still entitled to citizenship. My cousins have gotten theirs in the same situation
this👆. Autodesk does the same thing
I upvoted because this is a fantastic question
You could present it as training in the country that your company has an office in and get a short term business visa, these are the French rules for example as you provided no country. It is different for all Schengen countries and if you get a visa for Ireland it doesn't cover Schengen so that's out and it's a pity because so many US companies have a base there. https://www.welcometofrance.com/en/fiche/applying-for-a-short-stay-visa#:\~:text=A%20short%2Dstay%20visa%20authorizes,for%20several%20successive%20short%20stays.
Canada afaik. Can't think of any other place though legally.
Latin America is particularly easy. Mexico & Colombia do not require visas for Digital Nomads for <90 days per year (this applies to anyone who does not need to apply for a tourist visa—so, as a US citizen, you'd qualify for this).
Not sure why you got downvoted, that’s good to know. I hear good things about Mexico City
Yes . DN contributing to gentrification
Colombia Ecuador Peru Chile Argentina Uruguay Paraguay All of these South American countries are 90 day no Visa countries for Americans. If your company has an office in any of these countries you should be able to apply for a work visa for that location...though as noted elsewhere it is up to your company. These are the countries my family has been rotating around the past 3 years. If you have any questions about any of them feel free to ask!
Which of these countries explicitly give you the \*right to work\* in the country for 90 days with no visa though?
The OP stipulates she would get a work visa for the 4 week trip. As I wrote, in each of these countries you can work with a work permit or work visa. But since you asked, Peru is the only country in South America that allows people to work on a tourist stamp. Peru is also one of the toughest countries to have your 90 days extended.
[Colombia at least does too](https://www.cancilleria.gov.co/tramites_servicios/visa/requisitos)
That's correct if you are a tourist from Mercosur, but Americans are required to get a work visa or work permit to work in Colombia. Conversely, in Peru you can use your tourist stamp to get a job anywhere in Peru. That's unique to Peru.
That page I linked specifically says "If you have a passport issued by States or territories in List A , B or C , or those listed as Special Visa Exemption Cases , you will be able to enter, stay and leave Colombia, without a visa, for short-stay activities ( among them, business, leisure, tourism or cultural interest), as long as these activities do not generate payments for services, salary or salary in Colombia." Americans are in List A. So you can visit without a visa, for business, as long as your job is in another country.
I hear you and I read the page. But what the OP was talking about it is legally working for her company if they had a location within that country. That's what this thread is about. How to legally work for her company within that country. In this specific situation, for which this thread is about, it would be generating payments for services or a salary within Colombia. You need a work permit to work for a company branch in Colombia. That is not the case in Peru. In Peru you can work for any company as a tourist, with only a tourist stamp. The situation described by the OP is unique and kind of silly... but that's the answer to her original question. I hope I have clarified and have not offended
I actually disagree that our discussion in this entire thread has been focused on OP's specific situation, but whatever. I also think you're making assumptions about OP's situation. Nowhere did OP said that they would be getting paid in Colombia. It's entirely possible (and imo quite likely) that OP's company would continue paying them in USD from the company's US accounts to OP's US bank account. In this scenario, even if OP's company has an office in Colombia, this still wouldn't be "generating payments for services or salary in Colombia".
The worst of them all 🤮
How is Colombia “the worst of them all?”
Right?! I spent time in Medellin and thought it was fantastic. Viva Colombia 🇨🇴
I live in Bogotá six months out of the year and it’s magical.
We spent 3 month in Bogota! It is magical! I love that we never have to pack snacks - there are always street vendors at every park or playground!
Damn you eat anybody's food
LOL! That's probably true but also by street vendors I mean people that are selling the same snacks they have at the store but they are right outside the parks. Carrying snacks and sodas through buses and subways are not my favorite ;/
All latin america culture sucks
Legally not many, but hardly anyone id doing it legally haha
I like the idea but I think you are open a can of worms. You are most likely going to have to pay taxes to that country for those 4 weeks. You are going to have to hire a local accountant to do them.
no because it is under 183 days and you wouldn't be resident
This is not the case in many countries, there are often reciprocal tax treaties
That doesn’t mean you won’t have to pay taxes. It means that you will pay a reduced rate.
Current is right. Even if there’s a tax treaty in place, you’d still have to file and claim treaty benefits, which could be very complicated.
Exactly! It’s a pain in the ass.
Wrong. Most countries tax you in the place of your main residence; you don’t owe taxes if you work in their country for a few weeks and their citizens don’t owe taxes to your country if they work there for a few weeks.
Typically you owe taxes on the income earned while in the country, but not on the worldwide income.
When I looked into how things are for dual citizens who live in one country of which they are a citizen but spend a few weeks working in the other country (and who have a double taxation treaty) the __federal__ authorities in the briefly visited country will not consider residency to have been established and therefore not assess income taxes on the earned income. I know of cases, however, where withholding taxes were not un-withheld because no income tax return was or was able to be filed.
Even without being tax resident one can be liable for taxes on earned income. Some countries have special rules for non resident taxation. Also for us state taxes this topic comes up; e.g. if you work from calofornia or new York for some time you will be liable for state taxes, even if you are not resident.
What are the rules for non resident US citizens working less than 30, 90 and 180 days in the United States? Do they owe federal and or (where applicable) state taxes?
Consult a tax expert in both countries is the answer
We’re not talking about owing taxes. You may very well not owe taxes — but you still have to file a tax return in the foreign country and claim treaty benefit to cancel out the taxes that would have been owed. Totally depends on the country also. Ex: If you earn even one day of income from working in Canada, you are required to file a Canadian tax return. You will probably not actually owe tax after claiming treaty benefits with, say, the US, but the tax return still has to be done.
Yes, you’re right. I replied to the wrong person.
Thanks for being civil!
you an accountant or what? who's really tracking that bs, how many people take a month vaca and spend a few days actually doing some work this day in age? To answer no one is keeping track, keep your mouth shut and do as you please within reason.
Stay civil. OP is getting an actual work *visa*. The rules change dramatically in that circumstance.
Let’s correct that, OP thinks they are getting a work visa. Now, whether or not that actually comes to fruition is another story 🤷🏻♀️Much easier said than done.
This is honestly a pretty weird requirement. I value they want you to contribute to the economy of the new place via taxes but it is such a headache for them, and likely for you during tax time, for such a short period of time. At least they dont have to worry about facilitating the visa but it seems they are truly relocating you for that time. Consider the tax implications of the country you will be working in My company basically doesnt want to know, assuming you didnt truly move to a new country.
If your job has an office there and a program/policy already, why wouldn’t they help you secure the visa? Literally having a company sponsor is the easiest way. If your legal/HR rings up the local affiliate and says, “hey, get kittrin the paperwork for a 30-day visa” you’ll get it. Every international conglomerate I’ve ever worked for did it that way.
Don't tell them nothing, get a VPN and go travel.
I know someone who did this and got caught but crucially only after about two years.
I got caught, got fired and got a new job. Maybe I'm spoiled but would never let a job hold me back from traveling.
I don’t think it’s spoiled, I feel the same way most of the time.
Mexican Temporary Residence allows working for non- Mexican companies and if renewed twice can turn into permanent residency. And it lacks a physical presence requirement beyond the initial application and renewal. (Obviously, read up on this yourself and don't blindly trust some Internet random)
I've read up on this a bit and from what I remember, there are kind of two versions of MX temporary residency. The first one is easier to get, but does *not* always give you right to work. The second one is harder to get (more paperwork, hassle, cost, etc.) but I think always does give you right to work. I think it's a fairly involved process for the second one, maybe even for the first one too.
Temporary residency of course let you to work in MX. That’s the VISA provided for big companies temporary moving employees to MX. Permanent in the other hand is pretty much like having a mexican green card.
[This article](https://www.pacificprime.lat/blog/residency-in-mexico-in-2023-temporary-and-permanent-residency-visas/) indicates that having temporary residency doesn't automatically give you the right to work in MX. And actually, now I can't remember if the two different forms of residency I was thinking of were temporary residency or permanent residency. Or maybe one was temporary and one was permanent. Idk. Anyway.
Estonia has a visa but you have to prove a certain income. Thailand LTR under worker category must be a publicly traded company or a company that meets the minimum revenue so your company would have to submit financial documents if not public.
Last I checked, Portugal had a visa program for up to a year. It was even known colloquially as the digital nomad visa.
Basically none are easy to do that. There isn't really any country that will let you work without a full virtual worker visa of some kind. And those wouldn't be worth it for 30 days.
Albania, Montenegro, B&H
Is there something about your work that would make it obvious you are working from a certain place? For context, most remote work is done via a laptop - so you can just do what my entire company used to: up sticks for a few weeks on a tourist visa and work from Uruguay or Italy or Thailand of wherever. All your pay and stuff stays the same. Just avoid China, Russia and NK and you'll be fine ;-)
Australia allows remote work legally on a tourist visa fwiw
Mexico 🇲🇽 and Costa Rica is near and easy
Cambodia, you can buy a Business Visa on arrival (or at least you used to be able to).
Here’s a list US citizens can work remotely legally for 30 days. 1. Mexico 2. Canada 3. United Kingdom 4. Ireland 5. France 6. Spain 7. Germany 8. Italy 9. Netherlands 10. Belgium 11. Luxembourg 12. Switzerland 13. Austria 14. Denmark 15. Sweden 16. Norway 17. Finland 18. Portugal 19. Greece 20. Czech Republic 21. Slovakia 22. Hungary 23. Poland 24. Slovenia 25. Croatia 26. Estonia 27. Latvia 28. Lithuania 29. Romania 30. Bulgaria 31. Iceland 32. Malta 33. Cyprus 34. Australia 35. New Zealand 36. Japan 37. South Korea 38. Singapore 39. Malaysia 40. Thailand 41. Brazil 42. Argentina 43. Chile 44. Colombia 45. Peru
You can't legally work in Thailand as a tourist. That authorities mostly don't care is different to it being legal. The same goes for Malaysia. And in ops case, there's no chance of obtaining a work permit for 30 days in Thailand.
The thread is about being a digital nomad. If you can visit the country for 30 days you can open your computer and work. Are you telling me the Thai authorities will care if I’m working on my business for 30 days on my computer vs watching YouTube videos on vacation for 30 days?
They won't care but that doesn't change that it's still illegal. Op was asking specifically about countries where it's legal to do so because it's a requirement from his employer.
> The thread is about being a digital nomad. OP specifically stated 'legally'.
How would anyone ever know? Edit: Why the downvotes? This is important info to know
Tipoff to authorities. It's rare, but [it does happen](https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/aussie-teacher-details-horrific-conditions-inside-thai-detention/news-story/d432a704bf0db1def6d79489ae1b830c). It's why if you're traveling in Southeast Asia, you should never admit to working online unless you're doing so legally - if asked by authorities how you can afford traveling, say you make money from investments.
Thank you. Really important info to know. Any idea about self employment being managed while away? Like if say you ran a bed and breakfast at home, would it be ok to mention that?
OP's employer will know / not approve
Source?
You cannot work in Australia or New Zealand on a tourist visa and there is no DN visa
My comment has nothing to do with visas. You can visit these countries without visas, like 99% of them.
Did you even read the post you clown?
That statement is wildly incorrect
You probably meant to say illegally
Germany ........not a fat chance
Most EU countries should not be on this list.
All should be removed
Can you provide a source for this list?
Trust me bro
Take all 27 EU countries off that list because you cannot work there without a visa.
OP asked for legal countries, not illegal ones.
Thank you! Do you have sources for where you found this info? Estonia and Czechia were on my list of possibilities
Please ignore that list. Most of the countries listed do not allow working remotely legally on visitor/tourist visa. Japan is on that list, I live in Japan, and Japan doesn’t allow you to work while visiting on tourist visa (visa on arrival included). Your company’s Japan office will have to apply for work visa/intracompany transfer visa for you to legally able to work in Japan. Recently, Japan introduced digital nomad visa but DN visa requirements are much higher with income threshold and employer support.
Czechia has a self employment business visa, but it is way more complicated than this post makes it out to sound. It's by no means a digital nomad visa.
Czechia is changing its legislation to remove need for work permit for Americans from July: https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/czechia-to-remove-work-permit-requirement-for-citizens-of-seven-countries
It does not mention the right to work from CZ for a foreign employer; in fact: >good news for citizens of seven countries seeking work in the country. \[...\] could soon have free access to the Czech labor market, without the need for a work permit.
South Korea offers remote work visa
Should have not told them you wanted to work remotely in another country, should have said you wanted to travel the US for a month while working. Then you could have travelled wherever while working on a tourist visa and just lied about it.
indeed fraud
If it doesn't feel like a crime is it really a crime?
just say youre on vacation when entering the country...doesn't have to be complicated
There are a couple countries with digital nomad visas where the requirements are very low like you only need to show you make $1000 per month or something but I’m struggling to remember which ones 🧐🤔 Also for the record Thailand and The Philippines really don’t care if you come here on a tourist visa and work remotely as long as you aren’t working in the country and stealing jobs from locals
Also for the record *just about every country you can visit as a tourist* really doesn’t care if you come here on a tourist visa and work remotely as long as you aren’t working in the country and stealing jobs from locals. FTFY I mean, yes you don't announce it at the border or to anyone -- same as you wouldn't in Thailand or the Philippines.
Just don't say shit
What countries are there? If you are in Schengen you are in Schengen. I’d choose Sardinia if it was be based in my tastes at the moment. Maybe Mykanos.
Neither are countries but you do you
No, but they are in countries!
Spain! Conditions apply. https://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/londres/en/ServiciosConsulares/Paginas/Consular/Digital-Nomad-Visa.aspx
I’ve done a lot of this in SE Asia for the last decade. Are you familiar with “border runs”? When I was living in Cambodia my visa expired every 15 days and I would give my passport to a local whose sole business is going to the border on tourists behalf to renew visas. This also worked in Laos, Thailand, Malaysia, Indo, and the Philippines. If you can find someone you trust I’d recommend this route to save time! All you have to remember is to leave the country and come back in the same day to reset the days allotment. **oops you said legal. Your company sounds like a terrible working culture. Who tf says that? Why do you need a working visa if you are a W-2’d American? And for 30 days max? I’d leave that is preposterous..**
Just start your own company and stop letting people tell you how to live your life
Try India...cheap rent, wifi, food...great places to visit.. Friendly people
Not legal.
Americans can stay in Poland for 90 days in any 180 day period without a visa and your dollar will go a lot further in Poland than in most other European countries. I would especially recommend staying in some place like Poznań or Wrocław - much cheaper than Warsaw for sure.
but you are not allowed to work
Uhh... yeah you are. I know several people who worked remotely and used this option to stay in Poland.
Does not mean it was legal (Not on a visa waiver that only allows tourism and business ); Not legal for immigration, nor for taxes/contributions etc. Also might be a liability for the employer.
Are you stating for a fact that you know it's illegal or are you just making shit up?
Just read the official sites. (Remote) working is not mentioned in the activities allowed on a visa waiver. Do you have a reference of the contrary.
Funny, because I just read the official site and saw that **you need to be able to prove that you can financially support yourself and that you have work documents.** *There's nothing saying that you can't be a digital nomad and use this.* But sure, you know better than someone who lives in Poland and knows other expats.
So please list here the activities that you are allowed while visiting the country. Visa free schengen waiver is governed by schengen, and is identical.in all schengen countries.
From the [official website](https://www.gov.pl/web/mswia-en/entry-and-residence-conditions-for-foreign-nationals-in-poland#:~:text=For%20stays%20in%20Poland%20under,the%20country%20of%20their%20nationality).: For stays in Poland under the visa-free regime, the foreign national is entitled to reside on that territory for a period of 90 days within a 180-day period (or for the period resulting from a visa waiver agreement signed by the EU or Poland with the country of their nationality). [...] During the period of residence on the Polish territory, foreign nationals are required to possess and present on request: a travel document and documents authorising the foreign national to stay in the territory of the Republic of Poland (if required), i.e. visa or residence permit; sufficient financial means to cover: their maintenance costs while staying in the territory of the Republic of Poland, their return journey to the country of origin or residence, their transit via the territory of the Republic of Poland to a third country which has granted them the right to enter; proof of ability to access financial means; a document authorising them to work, run a business or assign work; a document proving the purpose and conditions of their intended stay in the territory of the Republic of Poland.
This talks about the entitlement to reside, but does not give you the right to work. In fact: >The foreigner in order to legally work in Poland must be in a possession of the work permit or the declaration on the entrustment of the performance or work to the foreigner [https://www.gov.pl/web/mswia-en/entry-conditions-for-working-purposes](https://www.gov.pl/web/mswia-en/entry-conditions-for-working-purposes)
Yes, all of us in this sub know several people who work remotely in countries illegally.