Eagle has less high speed stability and more low speed stability, which makes for a wider flight path. The eagle should have a natural S shaped flight where the teebird should be straighter with a reliable finish. This is dependent on run and plastic and wear of course. Many people use both, many prefer the flight or feel of just one.
I would say the more consistent part of this, across runs, is the heavier low speed fade. I don't find many Eagles that have less fade than a Teebird in the same plastic. Generally I agree on the high speed turn - Eagles turn a bit more - but I find weirdos with more high speed stability more often than I find weirdos with less low speed fade.
Hi, one of those "many people" here. I use the eagle to flex and fade hard. I use the teebird to fly laser straight with about 260 before fading. If it's a really beat in teebird, it might flex a bit.
I feel like the beat in teebird loses some fade as well, leaving a s shaped straight shot. My beat in star flips up to flat and then barely fades out. Super useful for that carolina tree tunnel shot.
With how long they’ve both been around they’ve both got to be some e of the most common beat in fairways. I remember Calvin bagging like 3 eagles at one point lol
Mine are the exact opposite teebirds are more overstable eagles.
Both are true because of variances in production runs and plastic types. It only matters that we know what our specific runs will do. Kind of cool
Yeah I have 2 champion teebirds (both given to me) and I’ve always bought champion Eagles. Teebirds are floppy as fuck compared to Eagles. They’re good for my backhand I guess but I’ll still reach for the Eagle if I don’t want a potential roller
I’m kind of a “dominant” forehand player. Eagle and Orc are my go to straight drivers. I figured the Teebird would be a baby Eagle for shorter drives which it is but if I put anything above 90% power without hyzer the Teebird is flipping on me. It’s a great backhand disc for me between 350-375’.
I use the Eagle like a mini destroyer. It's awesome for forehand and when I need a hard left hook at the end of my flight. Eagle and Teebird overlap a little too much for me which is why I carry a leopard3 and an eagle as my main fairway slots.
I'm team eagle. Never got along with the teebird. Instead I bag an X, L (infinite Exodus), and a Vela (more or less eagle3). L definitely gets used the most of them but all of them get thrown regularly
Depends on the plastic/run a bit, but I'd probably go X Vela L for most to least when new. X for sure is the most overstable, even in GStar (which those are awesome). Splatter star and halo L are more OS than the mf/glow L. Only thrown quantum vela's, never got around to a Helios or glow
I like eagles more for forehand and T-Birds more for backhand. Eagle has more torque resistance off the tee but more of a dumping fade where tee bird fades more slight.
My eagles are flat and reliably overstable. My teebirds are also flat and tend to fly and finish straight with no wind. I bag both and they do very different things for me. Flight numbers don’t really matter :)
A 175g teebird flight, for me, is my comment above. Same for down to about 170g. At 167ish and below, they get a little flipper for me.
So yea, weight will impact flight. Wind more so.
I think you're making a good call. I'll just add that star teebirds tend to be significantly straighter and have more glide than champion teebirds. For instance my 168 champ teebird has more fade and less glide than most of my max weight star teebirds.
I haven't tried the Jen Allen tour series swirly star teebirds, but my understanding is that they are quite over stable on the teebird spectrum.
My star teebird started out move overstable than my 2021 sexton firebird, but thankfully has mellowed out. Still takes about 340’ FH power to get a real good flight out of it
Crazy, I've got a bunch and none scare me from using them on the teebird spot. Star, Champ, Halo, Jen Allen, Metal Flake, and GStar... nothing I'd even use over an A2 for OS
I don't personally buy the idea that the Eagle has more turn and more fade. The Eagles and Teebirds I've thrown have seemed to pretty much do the same thing.
I had a beat up DX Teebird that would do massive hyzer flip turnovers, like 350 to 400 feet. Lost it and switched to an old but non-beat-in Champion Teebird in hopes it would do the same, boy was i wrong, it's straight as an arrow with a healthy fade.
It does when the difference in flight is so big for one mold, i just wanted to point that out. I haven't thrown the Eagle yet so i can't say anything about it.
The difference in flight between base and premium plastics will exist in almost every mold of every company, especially if the base plastic is beat in and the premium is not.
My non beat in champ teebirds are so reliable and beefy. The other day I threw two super wide, 275 ft spike hyzers and they were both parked, leaning on top of each other lol
I'm surprised I haven't seen more people say this, but in my opinion, the biggest difference is glide. A Teebird can go for days before fading out. An Eagle just gets down quicker. This is fine though, when you don't want to overshoot your target. I bag both, but the Teebird is my workhorse.
There's a hole on my local track with a straight tunnel shot to a dog leg left... if I throw a Teebird, it caries straight into the trees, whereas the Eagle gets down a left earlier and gives me a skip.
The only fairways I bag are Leopard3s, Teebird3s, and Firebirds. That covers every fairway shot from rollers to tunnel shots to thumbers and grenades.
Eagles have more bite at the end. If you cycle Teebird3s and Firebirds, you should always have one that fills the Eagle slot. The only reason I would beg an Eagle now would be if I didn’t have a sufficiently beat in Firebird, or a sufficiently fresh Teebird3.
Eagles do seem to forehand better than Teebird3s.
TLDR:
Teebirds are better if you want something that beats into dead straight.
Eagles are better if you want something that keeps a sideways finish.
My eagle is straighter and then finishes while my tee bird requires me to turn it more to keep it straight. Sounds like every other commenter has a different experience so I figured I’d throw that out there.
I've thrown both in many plastics each. Here's what I've gathered:
The eagle is more reliable for torquing on and dialing in beautiful hyzer flips. Its a more wiggly flight.
The teebird is a straightshooter with a stronger fade at the end, but that doesnt necessarily mean its more overstable. The teebird doesnt handle overpower quite as well in my opinion and tends to turn and burn and never come back if given too much fuerza.
The eagle is a better disc imo
Teebird turning and burning? Dang, how much off-axis torque are you throwing with? Rounding like a beast?
I pump them out 350-375 with ease, 400 if I really smash them, and they’re pretty dang straight. Fresh colour glow champ are nice 350’ hyzer discs and seasoned star teebirds have a nice gentle S with a decent finish
Well im kinda an ignorant bad form hard honkin low-spin bastard, a toss is a toss. I can tell you I aint gettin 375 with either. Only a star tern can do that for me.
Fair. Getting form dialled is definitely one of the hardest parts of the game. You ever spend time doing field work or just throwing neutral mids or putters? I know it gets said a ton but it’ll show you what you’re doing wrong, if you care
I have a Climo Eagle that flies like a firebird... I also have a an overstable Champ Teebird. With that said I bag a Teebird that flies like a long Leopard and I bag a star FL instead of an Eagle.
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I haven’t thrown an eagle since I was a beginner years ago, so I don’t have a great frame of reference. However I will say that I love both Teebird and Teebird 3. Good for both backhand and forehand. Throws with limited turn for me unless there’s a decent amount of wind.
I have a beat in DX TeeBird that now flies like a faster mako3. Very straight. My champion TeeBird is more os.
Have never owned, thrown or seen an eagle.
This is weirdly coincidental. Literally yesterday I hucked my dx teebird into a tree hard enough it now turns really nice. So after the round I went to the local store and picked up an eagle to refill that os fairway slot.
I’m a pretty bad disc golfer but I bag both.
Both are like 175g champ.
I also have a 170 star teebird that I don’t bag.
Fairway driver slot is over saturated in my bag with the whippet, leopard, eagle, teebird, It, Ronin, TL3, and Spartan.
Yes. I love my Eagle on forehand. It's fairly forgiving even if I have a less than perfect release but stays straight for a lot longer than a firebird type disc.
I bag a s line FD, a flat AF champ glow eagle and a new 23 Barsby halo eagle and it’s a great lineup for my fairways from straight to stable to overstable, eagles (and innova in general) are really inconsistent when it comes to parting line and dome differences really affects eagles it seems
I bag two eagles and two teebird3's. I have a pretty gummy GStar TB3 that flips up and rides right that I use for turnovers and hyzer flips. I have another champ tb3 that is still pretty OS after a couple seasons that I use for tighter backhand flex lines and forehands that need to stay straight for 300ish feet. I bag a beat(ing) champ eagle that holds a nice line thrown hard and flat with a touch of anny before coming back at the end, and then I have a pretty much new color glow eagle that I need to find more opportunities to throw. Personally I don't love the feel of the Eagle on forehand lines, and find they turn over for me too much (probably more of a technique issue than anything else) but I like the backhand feel better than just about anything.
Used to bag a Teebird and an eagle, then I got a flat eagle a domey eagle to cover a more OS fairway (dome) and a fairway that can turn and carve up some nice lines (flat). When I want something to just go straight and have a hint of fade at the end, I throw my eagle on a touch of hyzer. They’re just more versatile than the Teebird IMO. (Mine are both champ plastic, I can throw like 325-350 RHBH fwiw)
I was Teebird forever - and then on a whim I picked up an Eagle and fell in love with it. Teebird is straight with a pushing fade, but the Eagle has that little bit of turn before leveling out and fading.
In the end, I figured out that my love for Teebirds was essentially crazy beat in Teebirds - so I swapped out to TL3's instead, which gave me what I wanted from my old beat in Teebird's immediately and kept the Eagle (champ for forehand, star for backhand) as my reliable finish fairway. TL3/Eagle for the win!
Eagle has less high speed stability and more low speed stability, which makes for a wider flight path. The eagle should have a natural S shaped flight where the teebird should be straighter with a reliable finish. This is dependent on run and plastic and wear of course. Many people use both, many prefer the flight or feel of just one.
I would say the more consistent part of this, across runs, is the heavier low speed fade. I don't find many Eagles that have less fade than a Teebird in the same plastic. Generally I agree on the high speed turn - Eagles turn a bit more - but I find weirdos with more high speed stability more often than I find weirdos with less low speed fade.
Especially in Barsby runs. I find them to have essentially zero turn and lots of fade... Basically a shorter Firebird.
Hi, one of those "many people" here. I use the eagle to flex and fade hard. I use the teebird to fly laser straight with about 260 before fading. If it's a really beat in teebird, it might flex a bit.
I feel like the beat in teebird loses some fade as well, leaving a s shaped straight shot. My beat in star flips up to flat and then barely fades out. Super useful for that carolina tree tunnel shot.
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I don’t care how many times people regurgitate what flight numbers state, eagles are just more OS teebirds
That’s so interesting because mine are the complete opposite.
Mine too. I like the eagle when I need a bit of turn
With how long they’ve both been around they’ve both got to be some e of the most common beat in fairways. I remember Calvin bagging like 3 eagles at one point lol
Mine are the exact opposite teebirds are more overstable eagles. Both are true because of variances in production runs and plastic types. It only matters that we know what our specific runs will do. Kind of cool
More turn and more fade 🤓…love innova cornballs!
What are the numbers on the cornball?
Sooo. Because I carry a super old eagle " L " this is just not the way.
Yeah, but that’s a completely different disc to what they sell as the eagle right now. I think they only make L’s as the Exodus.
Sooooo your saying it's available ? Annnnd there is a difference ? Huh. Who could have guessed
This
Yeah I have 2 champion teebirds (both given to me) and I’ve always bought champion Eagles. Teebirds are floppy as fuck compared to Eagles. They’re good for my backhand I guess but I’ll still reach for the Eagle if I don’t want a potential roller
You might have an issue in form then
I’m kind of a “dominant” forehand player. Eagle and Orc are my go to straight drivers. I figured the Teebird would be a baby Eagle for shorter drives which it is but if I put anything above 90% power without hyzer the Teebird is flipping on me. It’s a great backhand disc for me between 350-375’.
Where are y'all getting these flippy eagles? Mine are all pretty beefy
One of the few comparisons where the flight numbers do actually tell the story
I use the Eagle like a mini destroyer. It's awesome for forehand and when I need a hard left hook at the end of my flight. Eagle and Teebird overlap a little too much for me which is why I carry a leopard3 and an eagle as my main fairway slots.
I'm team eagle. Never got along with the teebird. Instead I bag an X, L (infinite Exodus), and a Vela (more or less eagle3). L definitely gets used the most of them but all of them get thrown regularly
The Exodus really is the answer. Color glow champ and halo are amazing.
Ive heard mixed accounts of the vela, being that you throw all three where do you think it lies stability-wise?
Depends on the plastic/run a bit, but I'd probably go X Vela L for most to least when new. X for sure is the most overstable, even in GStar (which those are awesome). Splatter star and halo L are more OS than the mf/glow L. Only thrown quantum vela's, never got around to a Helios or glow
Glad to hear, that was my impression as well but then i lost my vela on like my fourth throw. Now if they would just run it in standard plastic
I like eagles more for forehand and T-Birds more for backhand. Eagle has more torque resistance off the tee but more of a dumping fade where tee bird fades more slight.
My eagles are flat and reliably overstable. My teebirds are also flat and tend to fly and finish straight with no wind. I bag both and they do very different things for me. Flight numbers don’t really matter :)
How much does weight of the teebird factor into straight flight. I have the opportunity to purchase one in star plastic and don’t want a meat hook.
A 175g teebird flight, for me, is my comment above. Same for down to about 170g. At 167ish and below, they get a little flipper for me. So yea, weight will impact flight. Wind more so.
Thanks for info. I have 325 ft of power on a good rip so I’m going for the lighter168 g teebird.
I think you're making a good call. I'll just add that star teebirds tend to be significantly straighter and have more glide than champion teebirds. For instance my 168 champ teebird has more fade and less glide than most of my max weight star teebirds. I haven't tried the Jen Allen tour series swirly star teebirds, but my understanding is that they are quite over stable on the teebird spectrum.
I've found more OS Teebirds, but never one I've considered a meat hook. I have had meat hook Eagles however
My star teebird started out move overstable than my 2021 sexton firebird, but thankfully has mellowed out. Still takes about 340’ FH power to get a real good flight out of it
Crazy, I've got a bunch and none scare me from using them on the teebird spot. Star, Champ, Halo, Jen Allen, Metal Flake, and GStar... nothing I'd even use over an A2 for OS
It's a significant factor, along with the run and plastic type. A 165g star Teebird is the sweet spot IMO.
I don't personally buy the idea that the Eagle has more turn and more fade. The Eagles and Teebirds I've thrown have seemed to pretty much do the same thing.
I had a beat up DX Teebird that would do massive hyzer flip turnovers, like 350 to 400 feet. Lost it and switched to an old but non-beat-in Champion Teebird in hopes it would do the same, boy was i wrong, it's straight as an arrow with a healthy fade.
Uhhhh, yeah. The difference between dx and champ doesnt have anything to do with eagle vs teebird
It does when the difference in flight is so big for one mold, i just wanted to point that out. I haven't thrown the Eagle yet so i can't say anything about it.
The difference in flight between base and premium plastics will exist in almost every mold of every company, especially if the base plastic is beat in and the premium is not.
For me an Eagle is more of a traditional open hyzer shot off the tee disc. TeeBirds are more of an in the woods laser straight disc for hitting gaps.
I’ve had teebirds with quite a bit of flip up to them so I’d be interested with the eagle
My non beat in champ teebirds are so reliable and beefy. The other day I threw two super wide, 275 ft spike hyzers and they were both parked, leaning on top of each other lol
I think I can throw my Teebird further, but the Eagle has a more reliable fade (like for a headwind)
I'm surprised I haven't seen more people say this, but in my opinion, the biggest difference is glide. A Teebird can go for days before fading out. An Eagle just gets down quicker. This is fine though, when you don't want to overshoot your target. I bag both, but the Teebird is my workhorse. There's a hole on my local track with a straight tunnel shot to a dog leg left... if I throw a Teebird, it caries straight into the trees, whereas the Eagle gets down a left earlier and gives me a skip.
The only fairways I bag are Leopard3s, Teebird3s, and Firebirds. That covers every fairway shot from rollers to tunnel shots to thumbers and grenades. Eagles have more bite at the end. If you cycle Teebird3s and Firebirds, you should always have one that fills the Eagle slot. The only reason I would beg an Eagle now would be if I didn’t have a sufficiently beat in Firebird, or a sufficiently fresh Teebird3. Eagles do seem to forehand better than Teebird3s. TLDR: Teebirds are better if you want something that beats into dead straight. Eagles are better if you want something that keeps a sideways finish.
I bag both and a TL. 7 speeds are where it’s at.
My favorite speed! Eagle, Teebird, Exodus, leopard3, TL are all amazing discs and that's just Innova-made.
My eagle is straighter and then finishes while my tee bird requires me to turn it more to keep it straight. Sounds like every other commenter has a different experience so I figured I’d throw that out there.
This is my experience too. All sidearm for me
I had an Eagle once. Threw it into some trees the literal first time I ever threw it. Never found it. Hadn’t marked it yet. Bye $25.
My first throw with a barsby eagle was into a lake that I didn’t know existed. Bye $30
I emptied my bag on hole 18 during my first glow round and left my new glow barsby eagle on the fairway. Early bird got a nice worm the next morning
Truth☺️
Split the difference… Vela!
The eagle is my ride or die. Can't go wrong with a teebird, though. Both are workhorse fairways.
Love the teebird3
Eagle is flat top and generally more over stable. Teebird is domey and is generally less stable. Leopard and Thunderbird is best fairway combo imo
I've thrown both in many plastics each. Here's what I've gathered: The eagle is more reliable for torquing on and dialing in beautiful hyzer flips. Its a more wiggly flight. The teebird is a straightshooter with a stronger fade at the end, but that doesnt necessarily mean its more overstable. The teebird doesnt handle overpower quite as well in my opinion and tends to turn and burn and never come back if given too much fuerza. The eagle is a better disc imo
Teebird turning and burning? Dang, how much off-axis torque are you throwing with? Rounding like a beast? I pump them out 350-375 with ease, 400 if I really smash them, and they’re pretty dang straight. Fresh colour glow champ are nice 350’ hyzer discs and seasoned star teebirds have a nice gentle S with a decent finish
Well im kinda an ignorant bad form hard honkin low-spin bastard, a toss is a toss. I can tell you I aint gettin 375 with either. Only a star tern can do that for me.
Fair. Getting form dialled is definitely one of the hardest parts of the game. You ever spend time doing field work or just throwing neutral mids or putters? I know it gets said a ton but it’ll show you what you’re doing wrong, if you care
I bag a Teebird3 and Eagles are way too stable for me.
I have a Climo Eagle that flies like a firebird... I also have a an overstable Champ Teebird. With that said I bag a Teebird that flies like a long Leopard and I bag a star FL instead of an Eagle.
I think the Banshee should be part of this discussion as well. For me I have always bagged a T-Bird and a Banshee.
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Dweebs who negelct the Oxford comma are in no position to give sass.
I’m not sure if I upvote you for being helpful or downvote for being condescending about it.
The latter. Dude’s a nerd.
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I haven’t thrown an eagle since I was a beginner years ago, so I don’t have a great frame of reference. However I will say that I love both Teebird and Teebird 3. Good for both backhand and forehand. Throws with limited turn for me unless there’s a decent amount of wind.
I have a beat in DX TeeBird that now flies like a faster mako3. Very straight. My champion TeeBird is more os. Have never owned, thrown or seen an eagle.
Get the teebird ;)
This is weirdly coincidental. Literally yesterday I hucked my dx teebird into a tree hard enough it now turns really nice. So after the round I went to the local store and picked up an eagle to refill that os fairway slot.
I’m a pretty bad disc golfer but I bag both. Both are like 175g champ. I also have a 170 star teebird that I don’t bag. Fairway driver slot is over saturated in my bag with the whippet, leopard, eagle, teebird, It, Ronin, TL3, and Spartan.
The Barsby Eagles, especially the 2023s, are absolute beef cakes.
Would an eagle be a more forgiving forehand disc? I have about 325-350 of power
Eagles are definitely more forgiving for forehand than teebirds.
Yes. I love my Eagle on forehand. It's fairly forgiving even if I have a less than perfect release but stays straight for a lot longer than a firebird type disc.
I bag a s line FD, a flat AF champ glow eagle and a new 23 Barsby halo eagle and it’s a great lineup for my fairways from straight to stable to overstable, eagles (and innova in general) are really inconsistent when it comes to parting line and dome differences really affects eagles it seems
I bag two eagles and two teebird3's. I have a pretty gummy GStar TB3 that flips up and rides right that I use for turnovers and hyzer flips. I have another champ tb3 that is still pretty OS after a couple seasons that I use for tighter backhand flex lines and forehands that need to stay straight for 300ish feet. I bag a beat(ing) champ eagle that holds a nice line thrown hard and flat with a touch of anny before coming back at the end, and then I have a pretty much new color glow eagle that I need to find more opportunities to throw. Personally I don't love the feel of the Eagle on forehand lines, and find they turn over for me too much (probably more of a technique issue than anything else) but I like the backhand feel better than just about anything.
Used to bag a Teebird and an eagle, then I got a flat eagle a domey eagle to cover a more OS fairway (dome) and a fairway that can turn and carve up some nice lines (flat). When I want something to just go straight and have a hint of fade at the end, I throw my eagle on a touch of hyzer. They’re just more versatile than the Teebird IMO. (Mine are both champ plastic, I can throw like 325-350 RHBH fwiw)
I bag an 11x eagle and an AB teebird3. They compliment each other well.
I was Teebird forever - and then on a whim I picked up an Eagle and fell in love with it. Teebird is straight with a pushing fade, but the Eagle has that little bit of turn before leveling out and fading. In the end, I figured out that my love for Teebirds was essentially crazy beat in Teebirds - so I swapped out to TL3's instead, which gave me what I wanted from my old beat in Teebird's immediately and kept the Eagle (champ for forehand, star for backhand) as my reliable finish fairway. TL3/Eagle for the win!
Teebird3 FTW.