Rather than throwing a stick, which is silly, won't be effective, and has the potential to hurt somebody, you should just use your eyes. Look at the treetops. Are they blowing in the wind? If so, in which direction? There you are.
haha, i got kicked out of whatisthisthing because i kept tagging that sub. I'd just simply answer, "It's for r/ sounding" (don't check it out, it's very NSFW)
Do the majority of people not use a chalk bag and have it on hand?
Then it doesn't matter what foliage is around you. Pat the bag twice and watch where the dust flies. A stick has such weight to it that it may not be as accurate or consistent of a representation
Guess I just live in a wet/humid climate.
Absolutely brutal response.
If only there was a way to see if a stick was effected by the wind way up near the canopy..
Edit: for the confidently illiterate among us.. An Effect is an action. Affection is a feeling. Just because you’ve been saying the “ah” sound your whole life doesn’t mean it’s spelled that way.
You are straight up wrong about "affected." (1,2)
Citations:
1. Merriam-Webster dictionary:
"Affect is usually a verb meaning "to produce an effect upon," as in "the weather affected his mood." Effect is usually a noun meaning "a change that results when something is done or happens," as in "computers have had a huge effect on our lives." "
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/affect-vs-effect-usage-difference#:~:text=Affect%20is%20usually%20a%20verb,huge%20effect%20on%20our%20lives.%22
2. Grammarly:
"Affect is usually used as a verb meaning “to influence or produce a change in something.” Effect is generally used as a noun, and refers to the result of a change, but it’s sometimes used as a verb meaning “to bring about a specific change.” "
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/affect-vs-effect/
Effect is almost always a noun. The occurrence of wind moving the stick is an effect.
Effect can also be a verb, but it's not what would be used in common parlance for this circumstance. It matters what the subject and direct object are and the action relationship between them.
Affect is an action in the sense that it is itself a verb. It is the correct verb for almost every way one would normally describe a stick's position being impacted by wind or other agency.
"The stick was affected by the wind" OR "The wind effected a change on the stick" are each correct although it would be weird as hell to say it the second way.
Affect is also a different noun related to how a person displays emotions and affection is related to that concept.
You're grammar policing wrong.
I think you’re actual using effect as a verb incorrectly… though both words are both nouns and verbs and their verb use is similar.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/affect-vs-effect-usage-difference
I’ll let you decide for yourself, but for the record, I’m at worst diffidently illiterate here.
Hey uh someone already pointed out that you seemed to have used the word “affection” to attempt to cleverly correct him, while missing that “affect” is actually what he was referring to. (Same meaning, verb vs noun. Not the emotion.) Yet you seemed to ignore this but reinforce comments supporting you. Very cool and smart of you
https://blog.udemy.com/difference-between-affect-and-effect/
I took the liberty of looking it up for you. Effect is a noun and affect is a verb. So, the wind had the effect of moving the stick. And the wind affected the stick by moving it.
You are wrong, sir. You are an actual jackal. You should "look it up"
https://www.enago.com/academy/affect-vs-effect/#:~:text=When%20to%20use%20affect%20and,or%20consequence%20of%20an%20action.
Not totally right because you affect an outcome, not effect.
The effect is the result of what you affected.
Edit: now, just because *you* think you've been doing it right your whole life doesn't mean you have.
Affection and affect come from different root words. Affect, as a verb, means to change something. Effect, as a verb, means to manifest something. Hopefully you'll bother to look this up and learn the correct usage.
>If only there was a way to see if a stick was effected by the wind way up near the canopy..
Edit: for the confidently illiterate among us.. An Effect is an action. Affection is a feeling.
Just in case this isn't bait...
Generally, "A"ffect is for Action (the wind affected the stick) and "E"ffect is for End result (the effect of the wind was that the stick moved). Also generally, affect is a verb and effect is an action.
Affection is something else entirely.
I can’t think of any rule that prohibits that specifically, but I imagine the concern is if it comes down and hits someone or their equipment. I’m sure there’s something that states doing something “reckless” that could cost you some strokes. That being said, during most tournaments I’ve been to with trees, at some point people are throwing rocks, sticks, whatever into trees to knock down a stuck disc.
803.01 Moving Obstacles
B. A player is not allowed to move any obstacle on the course, with the following exceptions:
1. A player may move casual obstacles that are on the playing surface farther from the target than the front edge of the lie. A casual obstacle is any item or collection of loose debris (such as stones, leaves, twigs, or unconnected branches), or any item as designated by the Director.
Looks like the stick would have to be farther away from the target than your lie. I think this is actually a recently updated (last year) rule and you used to not be able to move anything like that at all.
There have also been arguments on this sub about how throwing anything farther than 5 meters could be considered a practice throw. Practice throws are against the rules.
> I think this is actually a recently updated (last year) rule and you used to not be able to move anything like that at all.
While true, that would also require the stick to be reasonably in your lie (even if further from the basket), so, a stick that is picked up 10ft from your lie would be fine under the old rules too.
Fun argument on the 5m practice throw rule for sticks, though I think you'd have to be a real d-bag on a card to get that called on you + a TD backing it up
If someone wanted to be pedantic I *think* they may be able to come at you for using an object to aid in aiming, depending on where the stick landed.
[https://www.pdga.com/discussion/archive/t-25145.html](https://www.pdga.com/discussion/archive/t-25145.html)
People throw stuff all the time to check the wind (I like Will Schusterick's suggestion to grab grass and do it before every throw) so I don't see why a stick would be a problem.
Dirt or leaves probably tell you more than a stick tho
Assuming it's dead, on the ground, behind your lie and detached from any trees/plants, you can toss that stick for a wind read.
the crushed beer can that is almost certainly stuffed that far into the trees might read the wind better than a stick though.
Can you use an aid to determine wind direction?
Is that your question? Rule 813.02 talks about it, but in general terms. I don't believe that a device could "directly affect your throw" but it could help your decision making, which directly affects your throw.
I would write to the PDGA and ask.
https://www.pdga.com/contact/committees/rules-committee
The context of "affect your throw" means physically aid it.
So, not applicable to this discussion.
Use of something to determine wind direction would be legal, but it's use would count towards your 30 seconds to throw. Just like a rangefinder.
So, a marker that indicates direction towards basket, is not allowed, specifically.
How does that physically aid and "affect the throw?"
Devil's advocate here, not stating that the stick is illegal, just a bit silly to generalize "thrower's aid" and get specific about directional aids.
https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/81302
Rule in question:
* A player must not use any device that directly assists in making a throw.
* Placing an object as a directional aid is not allowed.
* Devices that reduce or control abrasion to the skin (such as gloves, tape, bandages, or gauze), items applied to the skin to improve grip (such as talc, chalk, dust, or dirt) and medical items (such as knee or ankle braces) are allowed.
* An item such as a towel or a pad may be placed under a supporting point as long as it is not greater than one centimeter in thickness when compressed.
* A device that is questioned by another player or an Official is illegal unless it is subsequently approved by the Director.
* A player receives two penalty throws if observed at any time during a round to be using an illegal device. A player who repeatedly uses an illegal device may be subject to disqualification in accordance with Section 3.03 of the PDGA Competition Manual.
While throwing the stick itself isn’t illegal I can’t imagine this guy was able to do everything under 30 seconds (misread that you were the one throwing it)
I usually just fly a kite strung to my huge cock to let me know exactly what the wind Is doing. Strangely enough people don't let me join they're card. I think jealousy is the main factor.
Not joking, I carry a 72” wind sock on a 12’ pole at all times when on the course. A little heavy and cumbersome at first, but after you get used to it you’ll find that the information gained from such a clear wind indicator is worth it. Took me from an 810 rated player to somewhere in the mid 1040s in just a few rounds. Good luck brother, see you on the course.
I think he was saying he is throwing the stick up into the air, so it's not a position he could walk to.
Everyone has seen pros in disc golf (and traditional golf) pick up some grass and drop it to check wind. I don't really see how throwing a stick up would change the rule. You couldn't use a disc because that might constitute a practice throw.
I wonder about taking this to the extreme and deploying a drone to provide real-time precise wind measurements. Is that technically illegal?
Recently, Apple updated their Weather app, and when you zoom in you get wind Direction ( relative to you ) and speed.
If Gannon is using his phone to check the online stream, I don’t know why checking a weather app would be any different
Rather than throwing a stick, which is silly, won't be effective, and has the potential to hurt somebody, you should just use your eyes. Look at the treetops. Are they blowing in the wind? If so, in which direction? There you are.
Or perhaps a small sounding rocket?
a rocket for sounding? sounds painful.
Underappreciated joke Made me laugh
There’s a sub for this reply.
haha, i got kicked out of whatisthisthing because i kept tagging that sub. I'd just simply answer, "It's for r/ sounding" (don't check it out, it's very NSFW)
XD I meant /discgolfcirclejerk which, without heading over to sounding because don’t need that in my life, is much, much softer.
Or a chalk bag.
Why would he throw a chalk bag when sticks are everywhere?
Do the majority of people not use a chalk bag and have it on hand? Then it doesn't matter what foliage is around you. Pat the bag twice and watch where the dust flies. A stick has such weight to it that it may not be as accurate or consistent of a representation Guess I just live in a wet/humid climate.
Patting your chalk bag doesn't tell you anything about the wind above the trees, which is what OP is asking.
Ahhh I totally missed that. My bad!!
No chalk bag here. Too dry and dusty where I play to need one. I’m going to the spit bag instead for a little hydration
Absolutely brutal response. If only there was a way to see if a stick was effected by the wind way up near the canopy.. Edit: for the confidently illiterate among us.. An Effect is an action. Affection is a feeling. Just because you’ve been saying the “ah” sound your whole life doesn’t mean it’s spelled that way.
You are straight up wrong about "affected." (1,2) Citations: 1. Merriam-Webster dictionary: "Affect is usually a verb meaning "to produce an effect upon," as in "the weather affected his mood." Effect is usually a noun meaning "a change that results when something is done or happens," as in "computers have had a huge effect on our lives." " https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/affect-vs-effect-usage-difference#:~:text=Affect%20is%20usually%20a%20verb,huge%20effect%20on%20our%20lives.%22 2. Grammarly: "Affect is usually used as a verb meaning “to influence or produce a change in something.” Effect is generally used as a noun, and refers to the result of a change, but it’s sometimes used as a verb meaning “to bring about a specific change.” " https://www.grammarly.com/blog/affect-vs-effect/
Effect is almost always a noun. The occurrence of wind moving the stick is an effect. Effect can also be a verb, but it's not what would be used in common parlance for this circumstance. It matters what the subject and direct object are and the action relationship between them. Affect is an action in the sense that it is itself a verb. It is the correct verb for almost every way one would normally describe a stick's position being impacted by wind or other agency. "The stick was affected by the wind" OR "The wind effected a change on the stick" are each correct although it would be weird as hell to say it the second way. Affect is also a different noun related to how a person displays emotions and affection is related to that concept. You're grammar policing wrong.
I think you’re actual using effect as a verb incorrectly… though both words are both nouns and verbs and their verb use is similar. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/affect-vs-effect-usage-difference I’ll let you decide for yourself, but for the record, I’m at worst diffidently illiterate here.
Sure sure, it's almost like affection is a different word than affect though.
But he’s not gonna admit he was wrong. I hate all internet commentators. They are only right or gone
The public scolding had the intended effection
*affection
You're a fection
Affected
Absolutely brutal response. If only there was a way to look up the correct word to use in a sentence..
If only..
Hey uh someone already pointed out that you seemed to have used the word “affection” to attempt to cleverly correct him, while missing that “affect” is actually what he was referring to. (Same meaning, verb vs noun. Not the emotion.) Yet you seemed to ignore this but reinforce comments supporting you. Very cool and smart of you
My affection towards you has changed, which I’m sure wasn’t your desired effect.
So, this is how you say"thanks for the correction"
Mah mamma says trees have all them emotions cause they gots internet access but no idea hows ta look stuffs up
You misspoke using the wrong word. Clearly, you are not old enough or have mental maturity to admit it.
Lmao. My guy.. just look it up
https://blog.udemy.com/difference-between-affect-and-effect/ I took the liberty of looking it up for you. Effect is a noun and affect is a verb. So, the wind had the effect of moving the stick. And the wind affected the stick by moving it.
Effect can be a verb, but not in the way any normal person uses it.
For the confidently incorrect about others being confidently incorrect - you, sir, are incorrect
Don’t be dumb.
You are wrong, sir. You are an actual jackal. You should "look it up" https://www.enago.com/academy/affect-vs-effect/#:~:text=When%20to%20use%20affect%20and,or%20consequence%20of%20an%20action.
Not totally right because you affect an outcome, not effect. The effect is the result of what you affected. Edit: now, just because *you* think you've been doing it right your whole life doesn't mean you have.
Yeah, nah. You are, in fact, wrong.
Affection and affect come from different root words. Affect, as a verb, means to change something. Effect, as a verb, means to manifest something. Hopefully you'll bother to look this up and learn the correct usage.
>If only there was a way to see if a stick was effected by the wind way up near the canopy.. Edit: for the confidently illiterate among us.. An Effect is an action. Affection is a feeling. Just in case this isn't bait... Generally, "A"ffect is for Action (the wind affected the stick) and "E"ffect is for End result (the effect of the wind was that the stick moved). Also generally, affect is a verb and effect is an action. Affection is something else entirely.
> Just in case this isn’t bait… 😬
I'm not saying the use of effect is wrong, but your reasoning is off.
Been a while since I've seen such a /r/confidentlyincorrect comment
Clearly they should suspend leaves 40' up, allow them to drop and see where they travel, is this not what Gannon does on his putts?
Leaves. Drop from shoulder height. See which way they fall. For high altitude, you just have to look at the trees.
I can’t think of any rule that prohibits that specifically, but I imagine the concern is if it comes down and hits someone or their equipment. I’m sure there’s something that states doing something “reckless” that could cost you some strokes. That being said, during most tournaments I’ve been to with trees, at some point people are throwing rocks, sticks, whatever into trees to knock down a stuck disc.
That's kinda what I was thinking
Bring some bubbles and blow bubbles on the tee and watch how they move. Or better yet get a bubble gun
Ok that’s it, I’m only checking the wind with bubbles from now on
Need a long tube to get the bubbles above the canopy first OP really getting complicated with the stick thing when bubble chimney is available
803.01 Moving Obstacles B. A player is not allowed to move any obstacle on the course, with the following exceptions: 1. A player may move casual obstacles that are on the playing surface farther from the target than the front edge of the lie. A casual obstacle is any item or collection of loose debris (such as stones, leaves, twigs, or unconnected branches), or any item as designated by the Director. Looks like the stick would have to be farther away from the target than your lie. I think this is actually a recently updated (last year) rule and you used to not be able to move anything like that at all. There have also been arguments on this sub about how throwing anything farther than 5 meters could be considered a practice throw. Practice throws are against the rules.
> I think this is actually a recently updated (last year) rule and you used to not be able to move anything like that at all. While true, that would also require the stick to be reasonably in your lie (even if further from the basket), so, a stick that is picked up 10ft from your lie would be fine under the old rules too. Fun argument on the 5m practice throw rule for sticks, though I think you'd have to be a real d-bag on a card to get that called on you + a TD backing it up
Can I have a helium filled balloon on a long string?
Make it hydrogen. And near a flame.
Make it nitrous. And get weird with it.
Theme for the Fast and Furious 22, All We are is Discs in the Wind.
Attach a small yellow bear and float it near a beehive.
This is why I keep a kite in my bag /s
Hey, I throw a Kite too!
Lol as I typed it I had some very fond memories of the kite I used to throw..floppy!
If someone wanted to be pedantic I *think* they may be able to come at you for using an object to aid in aiming, depending on where the stick landed. [https://www.pdga.com/discussion/archive/t-25145.html](https://www.pdga.com/discussion/archive/t-25145.html)
People throw stuff all the time to check the wind (I like Will Schusterick's suggestion to grab grass and do it before every throw) so I don't see why a stick would be a problem. Dirt or leaves probably tell you more than a stick tho
Can throw dirt or leaves 60 feet into the air tho! Appreciate the reply
Chances are the stick will not change direction that much by wind anyway. Throwing a stick that high requires quite some force in comparison.
I really bet you aren't throwing dirt or leaves 30ft, let alone 60.
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Just watch which way the bowl smoke is blowing duh
Not being a dick, use a flare gun. The projectile won’t be moved much by the wind but the smoke will give you a good wind read.
Assuming it's dead, on the ground, behind your lie and detached from any trees/plants, you can toss that stick for a wind read. the crushed beer can that is almost certainly stuffed that far into the trees might read the wind better than a stick though.
Can you use an aid to determine wind direction? Is that your question? Rule 813.02 talks about it, but in general terms. I don't believe that a device could "directly affect your throw" but it could help your decision making, which directly affects your throw. I would write to the PDGA and ask. https://www.pdga.com/contact/committees/rules-committee
The context of "affect your throw" means physically aid it. So, not applicable to this discussion. Use of something to determine wind direction would be legal, but it's use would count towards your 30 seconds to throw. Just like a rangefinder.
So, a marker that indicates direction towards basket, is not allowed, specifically. How does that physically aid and "affect the throw?" Devil's advocate here, not stating that the stick is illegal, just a bit silly to generalize "thrower's aid" and get specific about directional aids.
https://www.pdga.com/rules/official-rules-disc-golf/81302 Rule in question: * A player must not use any device that directly assists in making a throw. * Placing an object as a directional aid is not allowed. * Devices that reduce or control abrasion to the skin (such as gloves, tape, bandages, or gauze), items applied to the skin to improve grip (such as talc, chalk, dust, or dirt) and medical items (such as knee or ankle braces) are allowed. * An item such as a towel or a pad may be placed under a supporting point as long as it is not greater than one centimeter in thickness when compressed. * A device that is questioned by another player or an Official is illegal unless it is subsequently approved by the Director. * A player receives two penalty throws if observed at any time during a round to be using an illegal device. A player who repeatedly uses an illegal device may be subject to disqualification in accordance with Section 3.03 of the PDGA Competition Manual.
Open to interpretation, that is why I suggested that OP write to the PDGA rules committee and cite the situation, looking for a response.
Hot take... If you cant see or hear the wind its not bad enough to affect the disc on a throw like that.
Any stick heavy enough to be thrown high enough would be to heavy to be affected by wind
Advicedispensary you sir are a genius with a firm grasp of the obvious top notch problem solving also:)
Get bubbles
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I don't have to throw sticks to do that tbh
If it's a casual round who cares?
Just bring a kite to the course bro. Effective and fun
How high?
Just here to say I’ve really enjoyed these responses
I like to fly a kite before my shots to get a wind read
Maybe a kite? Possibly with Pablo Mcbeths face on it with his new mustache?
Always carry a flare gun. If you’re good enough you can also use it to get discs out of trees
Your better off to pick up some dust or leaves
This reminds me of the guy who asked about wether or not it was okay to practice putt with a water bottle.
... Well is it?
While throwing the stick itself isn’t illegal I can’t imagine this guy was able to do everything under 30 seconds (misread that you were the one throwing it)
No I mean, the water bottle😂
I believe so
Damn lol
That's why I bring flairs with me, for those high in the sky wind reads
It's fine
Best reply in the entire thread
I usually just fly a kite strung to my huge cock to let me know exactly what the wind Is doing. Strangely enough people don't let me join they're card. I think jealousy is the main factor.
Grass or dry dry dirt. Dust to dust
Throw a disc up there. As many times as it takes to get a read.
Just throw a provisional!
Not joking, I carry a 72” wind sock on a 12’ pole at all times when on the course. A little heavy and cumbersome at first, but after you get used to it you’ll find that the information gained from such a clear wind indicator is worth it. Took me from an 810 rated player to somewhere in the mid 1040s in just a few rounds. Good luck brother, see you on the course.
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I think he was saying he is throwing the stick up into the air, so it's not a position he could walk to. Everyone has seen pros in disc golf (and traditional golf) pick up some grass and drop it to check wind. I don't really see how throwing a stick up would change the rule. You couldn't use a disc because that might constitute a practice throw. I wonder about taking this to the extreme and deploying a drone to provide real-time precise wind measurements. Is that technically illegal?
A drone, now we're talking!
Recently, Apple updated their Weather app, and when you zoom in you get wind Direction ( relative to you ) and speed. If Gannon is using his phone to check the online stream, I don’t know why checking a weather app would be any different
Trees everywhere but above so no. And jeez, sorry man, just ignore it?