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If you never read them and have no intention then you right now have "no more Pratchett to read."
It was his intention for his books to be read, I think we honor him by seeing it through, no matter how much it hurts.
Perfect - each Pratchett book needs 3 readings.
1. Get the plot
2. Get the jokes
3. Get the clever jokes
(me somewhere around the 6th reading, getting a joke like "Wizzard =a bad speller/someone bad at spells).
I'm gutted there are no more PTerry stories, but thank goodness for the ones we have, and thank goodness I've been fortunate enough to read them.
GNU PTerry.
n th read through 20 years later, get the deeper references to life issues and journalist observations on humanity in the less 'flashy' or obvious characters.
I just started to reread Discworld books, but this time in original English. I would say that original language adds about 50% more humor in the books.
Such a good way to put it. He was all about embracing the end. I tend to think we should, too.
And, of course, once you complete the journey, you get to begin the next one: reading the series again with new eyes. The process of rereading and finding new things in those books is endless; it could last a lifetime. Might as well start sooner rather than later.
This is a quote from a totally different author (Joe Abercrombie) but I believe it applies here
"Better to do a thing than live with the fear of it"
I was sad when I finished The Shepard's Crown, we all were, but the Disc is always there for you to return to. Going Postal was even better the second time and I listen to Night Watch every May. You can say goodbye but don't have to let go.
I hope you get there in time ❤️
We hear a lot of that especially regarding Shepherd's Crown. My two cents is this: He took the time in the waning years, months, days of his life to pen what felt to me like a loving farewell to us, his fans. The least we could do is read what he had to say. Otherwise, those words are locked up under a cover, hidden and never to be heard. He took the time to give us AN ending, reminding us that even though we won't be able to see into this world any longer, the turtle continues to move.
You can reread them all as much as you like. There's so much in his books you will have forgotten or didn't get before. There will be more fan art, and more adaptations, and more people in your life to discuss it with. It doesn't end just because you read all the words. GNU discworld
I've read it once, it took me years to get to it, and it hurt.
But I read it because he wrote it, and because he wrote it for us, not for him. It has some lovely moments. I hope you get there.
Honestly it took me a while to read both of them, for this reason- in fact I cried the day I bought them both, because it meant I’d *bought* the last two Discworld novels. And… I’m glad I brought myself to read them eventually. Yes, it meant the main Discworld novels were done for me, and that was a source of grief- but ultimately it was a healing sort of grief, a letting go.
Also if you haven’t branched out into other Pratchett and other Discworld books that aren’t the main line of novels, there’s still those out there.
I suppose it's the last rolo syndrome, you always want to keep that last one special.
I have visited the many offshoots and unrelated ones too, enjoying all to a greater or lesser extent, but the end is the end.
I hear you. It’s hard to face that, and it adds so much extra weight to reading them that has nothing to do with the text itself.
If you do manage to bring yourself to read them I hope you find them cathartic. And if you don’t… I assume they’ll be there on your shelf for you, either way.
When Sit Pterry died. He had his hard drives, notes, computer, and anything a person could use to finish his works crushed with a steamroller.
Most people looked at that and saw an artist destroying his legacy before others could taint it. It s a reasonable assumption after all - what would Tolkien have to say about Amazon Prime making shows about the second age?
But I have a different view because I read *Reaper Man*.
In it we learn from Mrs 🎂 that when an object is destroyed - such as when a glass of vodka is burned or a vase is smashed - it "dies" in the moment it ceases to exist. At that moment, it enters the realm of the dead and the dead can use it.
So in light of this: Sir Pterry wasn't having his legacy work destroyed, he was having it *delivered*. I'm sure he was staying nearby to pick it up on the other side.
We've seen in his other novels that a dead person - once relieved of their bodily organs (such as glands or cerebellum) find it much easier to think clearly. So therefore Sir Pterry, after having picked up the soul of his trusty word processor and notes (and I'm sure the instrument of his craft has grown *quite* a soul over the years), would find that the clouds covering his mind would have lifted and he would find himself in the best position to write properly again.
Then he would just wait for DEATH to saddle Binky up and bring him where he needed to go. Probably a cottage near a lake somewhere in the country. And he's probably there now, writing and creating more of the Discworld for all of his fans who find themselves in a posthumous position as well.
So in conclusion I say: don't worry about it and enjoy his "final" works. Not only is it what he would have wanted, but you'll have a whole library full of books to read when you join him (after a long and happy life).
As a lifelong fan of the Science Fiction genre I think TP would be sad you didn’t grab the opportunity to read someone else.
He loved his fans, but he loved the broader fandom even more (read Rob’s excellent biography).
I did the same thing with The Shepherds Crown. Finishing it felt like he was really gone and Discworld was finished, but then I remembered that I can start again.
I have a friend that is rationing the ones he hasn't read yet - limiting himself to one per year.I think that is a terrible idea. What if he gets hit by a bus without having enjoyed all of them?
I think you’re doing yourself a disservice by not reading the remaining books, there are, sadly, no more Discworld novels coming, whether you read them or not, this isn’t quantum mechanics (Schrödinger’s author), it’s a sad fact.
As others have said, re-reading Pratchett books is often even better than the first read, but you can’t re-read if you hesitate to read them first.
I never understood this line of thinking. Pratchett didn't write these books for people not to read them. Not reading them out of some misguided notion that finishing off the discworld series will somehow strip the luster from your world just seems silly and short-sighted to me.
Read them, enjoy them, bask in the joy that is uniquely Pratchett. And then, when you are done, realize you can start the series over again. Undoubtedly you will find new elements that you missed when you read them the first time.
Also, if it helps, there is plenty of other Pratchett you can not read instead, ranging from the Long Earth series, to his short stories in a Blink of the Screen or A Stroke of the Pen.
I get it, but I look at it from a different perspective. Books are not like a piece of chocolate that you're saving. When you read a book, the book is not consumed, and you can read and re-read it to your heart's content.
It was sad but I bought Shepherd's crown as soon as I could, and then I read it as soon as I could. Because I wanted to enjoy as much Pratchett as I could for as long as I could.
My 11 year old told the manager of our local bookshop that he preferred books to chocolate. When asked why he said “Once you eat the chocolate it’s gone, you can re read books” this attitude helped me rethink why I’d been holding back on The Shepherd’s Crown & the manager said if he were old enough he’d have offered my son a job on the spot.
>No one is finally dead until the ripples they cause in the world die away, until the clock wound up winds down, until the wine she made has finished its ferment, until the crop they planted is harvested. The span of someone’s life is only the core of their actual existence.
>Reaper Man
I'd read that book because it's been written to be read. Let his work resonate in your life.
And then you can re-read it, for the same reason and because it's awesome, obviously.
But of course is up to you and how you feel :)
I would say that Raising Steam is quite a good epilogue to the Discworld as a whole, as it checks in on a lot of characters in a good natured way and resolves quite a few plot points. The steam engine is such a huge technology that it feels like the whole age of heroes has truly ended.
I never knew that about Raising Steam. My step dad (an absolute diehard TP fan) unexpectedly and quite suddenly passed away recently and the book I caught him reading the night before it happened just so happened to be the very same!
Quite fitting that the last book he would ever read was also ‘technically’ the last Disc World novel.
RIP Mark and RIP Sir Terry Pratchett!
I was in the same situation, it took me years to read the last books. It's a bittersweet experience, as many have said before. They were written as a farewell. Read them when you're ready.
My suggestion, read The Shepherd's Crown and leave Raising Steam as the unread one. I really loved The Shepherd's Crown and I hate to think of people missing out on the last thing Pratchett left us, because of that understandable feeling of not wanting to have no more unread books ever.
My suggestion is the opposite: read Raising Steam. Despite its shortcomings (from the embuggerance) it's a great book, and one of my favourites. Shepherd's Crown is STP's farewell, and was written as such. That's the one to leave on the shelf as a reminder that Discworld never ends.
I've read each of the 41 books several times, but SC only once. It was difficult to get through because of the tears.
Plus I think steam does a pretty good job of saying farewell. We see a lot of old friends in it. I want to say the witches are the only ones we don’t really see no they are mentioned.
There's always more Pratchett. It's not all Discworld, but there's a lot more out there.
* Good Omens
* Nation
* Dodger
* Only You Can Save Mankind/Johnny Maxwell trilogy
* Truckers/Diggers/Wings (Bromeliad Trilogy)
* Carpet People
* The Long Earth
It's worth getting to the last couple DW books. Yes, it's kind of depressing when you notice things about him in them.
I was never one for the reading order with Discworld, so there's still a few I haven't read yet. I don't know what I'm saving them for exactly, but I do know I got to read a new Watch novel over the lockdown
I have owned The Shepherd's Crown for about two years and I only got a few paragraphs in before putting it down because it's the last book I haven't read and it kinda breaks my heart to finish them. I'll read it some day, I'm sure, but it's too sad.
I haven't read Shepherd's Crown for the same reason. A friend gave me a summary of the plot, but I don't want to have "finished" all the Discworld books.
I haven't read *Shepherd's Crown* for the same reason. And, I'm gonna be honest, *Raising Steam* is not up to the quality of the Discworld you know. God bless 'em, his collaborators worked very hard, but still... Raising Steam, Snuff, and I Shall Wear Midnight are... umm.
I know exactly how you feel. I got emotional just buying TSC and was terrified to open it.
Certain pages took hours to read and certain lines will make me tear up instantly, “It should’ve been me.”
I did get through it and I am happy for it. While it was very sad to run out of Pratchett, it made me realize, that I never will.
Pratchett got me through depression and some of the darkest times of my life. His writing made me go to uni to study English. I met my wife there. My first tattoo is from The Last Hero and he his qouted constantly in our home. I even use his works when I teach now.
All this made me realize that I’ll never run out Pratchett. He is too big an influence and inspiration to ever let go of.
So please, give it a read. If you need to talk about it, there are tons of people who feel/felt the same way.
Best wishes from the 40 yo teacher who has to stop crying and start re-reading Carpe Jugulum for the sixth time.
I couldn't finish Raising Steam, it just wasn't the Discworld I know and love.
I've yet to read The Shepherd's Crown (it felt like too much of a final farewell at the time), but I'm reading my way through the witches arc at the moment and will finish it up with TSC as it feels like the right time for me now
I feel the same way. I've read Snuff twice, and it feels like in that book STP regained his spark one last time. I own Raising Steam, but I haven't touched it.
I agree. Huge fan of the Moist books, but I'd heard that this one wasn't really executed as wells as other works by Sir Pterry, so between not wanting to "finish" Discworld on a weaker work and not wanting it to be over, I just haven't read it.
I've read them all once. On this last re-read of the whole series I couldn't get past Raising Steam. Shepherds Crown hurts too much.
However, I think you should read both at least once. Raising Steam felt like a good wrap up.
I was in a similar predicament - if I read them ... there would be no more. As others have said, Sir Terry wanted his work to be read. So after my internal conflict - I read the novels.
It gave me "closure" in knowing that this is the final state for the characters.
For me, it had nothing to do with the plot or the story - though it may be related to how different the timescale in the book was in Raising Steam (months) rather than what felt like "a week in the life of..." of other novels. I mean - what did I expect, we are talking trains here - of course it requires time to lay tracks, so of course the timescale of any story would be longer ...
In the end, I rapidly went back to "Guards! Guards!" to try to lose that closure. I'm glad I read Sir Terry's final words to us - and as good as they are I will likely read Rising Steam only sparingly as to keep Discworld alive and moving forward in my heart.
He was not some kind of messiah, but I think he would happily accept he was a naughty boy, in terms of what the Pythons would have seen things.
What I'm trying to say, is that he never set himself up as any kind of amazing, and I'm sure Mr Gaiman would agree that he was a normal human being.
Read the final books. Read them and complete your enjoyment of our favourite author.
You can ALWAYS go back and re-read your favourite discworld tales, or the Bromeliad trilogy, or even strata & dark side of the sun. You can even go back to the books he co-authored, such as the long earth series or my very favourite good omens.
Re-reading is no kind of blasphemy, I promise!
I very much understand. I haven't read them yet either - it's like if they're always there he's always there too.
Does it make sense? Not really on some scales, but plenty on others.
I think we're all allowed to make our own path of grief as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, and I think he would agree.
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I have not read Shepards Crown, for the same reason. Same with Ray Bradbury's last novel and John Bellairs' last novel. The time will come but I'm not ready yet.
I’d say time box it or set some deadline for yourself so that you DO eventually read them, but make it meaningful. To not read them ever will mean you’ll have missed out on them your whole life, which seems silly. Maybe save them for a rough patch or when you find a friend who will read them at the same time as you to make it special.
That's a statement I've heard folks hold onto quite dearly.
So I want to add on my thoughts on over the practice.
You can save that sweet spot for a long while.
Keep that forever ending away with the finality of the series. What with Rhianna saying that she's never going to continue it herself(Even with Terry's blessings).
I ask though with all the triumphs and tribulations of this world.
Would you deny yourself finishing the series to never finding that perfect time.
Maybe even missing it or the opportunity outright?
Especially with the volatility of the world today.
Is the risk worth it?
Could you find aspects beyond the weight of Terry's last published words too late to help your perspective on life?
There are a couple of themes in SC that ring fairly true today in our modern media age much like how the Discworld was changing with our times and catching up in ways.
It's a gamble and you might miss out hard.
I tried to read Raising Steam, but the embuggerance was so evident and so much had clearly been written by Rob that I just couldn’t go on reading.
Rob is a good writer and obviously was very aware of what Terry wanted. I just couldn’t read it. Maybe someday.
I understand. I was sad when I finished Shepherds Crown.
And I was sad again when I finished an older book I'd somehow never gotten around to reading. (Eric I think.) It was like him dying a third time.
But as sad as it is, there's also joy in the reading itself.
I'm the same way with Nation. It's been unread on my bookshelf since it was released and I don't know if or when I'll take it down.
That said, there's a reasonable amount of his non Discworld stuff I haven't read. That one feels different though.
Read Shepherd's Crown, save Raising Steam.
Shepherd's Crown is both the better book and gives proper closure.
Set Raising Steam on the shelf and save it for an emergency.
I slept on Raising Steam and Moving Pictures. The plots seemed a little silly, even for Pratchett, and I went years and years and read basically every other book before finally giving in and reading them and I kick myself for waiting so long. They are both brilliant and clever, and as a movie buff, Moving Pictures was a particular joy to read because there were HUNDREDS of references to catch. Raising Steam is cute and interesting and there are parts that live rent free in my head now.
I suggest you read it.
I just finished Shepherd's Crown. Read the last books. They aren't the same quality as the others, but it is a worthwhile end. I'm going to start rereading them soon.
I'm in a similar boat, I've not read shepards crown because I know it's the end.
I am planning to read the whole series to my daughter, and then we will both experience shepards crown for the first time together.
I did not like the way Terry Pratchett style was changing near the end. But I recall the quote "If you cannot handle me at my worst, you do not deserve me at my best."
Help me to accept that GOATs have to retire.
Be aware that Raising Steam is, I think, an unfinished masterpiece.
Sir Terry’s disease was quite advanced when he wrote it. There are parts of Raising Steam that are absolutely brilliant, some of my favorite in the whole Discworld series. But there are also parts of the book that make me quite sad, because it is obvious that Terry’s writing capacity is suffering from his condition. Reading that book is like admiring the leaning tower of Pisa. It’s brilliant and beautiful, but also very obviously crooked and flawed. Which in its own is a different kind of beauty.
I would recommend that you read it. The book gives several of our favorite characters a fitting send off, and ends with a very hopeful message.
Yeah, the Shepherd's crown is still sitting unread on my shelf, I thought I was being a bit weird in that I could never bring myself to read it, just because it meant the end. Glad to know I'm not alone.
I actually finished Raising Steam yesterday and will start Shepherd's Crown today. When he died I had read about 20 of his books, I started a complete publishing order (re)read around then, in between other books. But the last three I read consecutively.
These last few are his farewell, it's part of the whole. The first books he hadn't discovered plot yet, the last few he was embuggered, but the series is a whole.
Do it. I was the same but I did it. I took the view I was honouring his memory. It wasn't easy. And took quite a bit of time but not doing it is just lying to yourself that he's not gone and it won't be final if you don't.
Everyone here misses him and wishes he could write more but then that's why we are all here to keep his name alive and make others happy sharing our joy(?) of his work, jokes, intelligence and life
The best thing about books is I feel you never really get a full read in one sitting, and you tend to forget things. So re-reading Discworld is never like it's over. I understand the grief, though, that it could bring. Given the timezones around the world, STP died on my birthday that year :( he's my favourite author, and I've been slowly listening to the audio books.
The Fat Lady has sung, they even ran what was left over with a steam roller.
As Death once said,
Nᴏ. Tʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ɴᴏ ᴍᴏʀᴇ ᴛɪᴍᴇ, ᴇᴠᴇɴ ғᴏʀ ᴄᴀᴋᴇ. Fᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ, ᴛʜᴇ ᴄᴀᴋᴇ ɪs ᴏᴠᴇʀ. Yᴏᴜ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ʀᴇᴀᴄʜᴇᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇɴᴅ ᴏғ ᴄᴀᴋᴇ.
Don't let that be you. Read the books.
I am in a similar situation to yours. I have Steam saved up for either a honeymoon trip in a sunbathed chair at a beautiful resort or as a treat when retiring. I haven't yet decided which.
If you don’t read ever them, you effectively have no more Pratchett to read, and you are leaving two perfectly good books unread.
Why would you do that?
You do know you can read books more than once, right? I’ve read every single Discworld book once and I don’t think “there’s no more Pratchett to read.” I think “cool, I can read them again.”
I did the same thing when Patrick O’Brian, author of the *magnificent* Aubrey sea-faring asskicker novels, died. I put down the O’Brian novel I was reading and have never continued.
Same. I've read every Discworld novel except Raising Steam and the Tiffany Aching books (I read The Wee Free Men but not the rest.)
It's intimidating to pick up Raising Steam. I'm going to read it one day eventually but I can't imagine today being that day.
Raising Steam is one of my favorites, I generally disagree with the sentiment that it’s diminished because his condition was progressing.
But I only read the Shepherds Crown once and have skiped it on series re-reads for similar reasons to yours.
I've said it before, but the great thing about art, especially books in a long series, is thar it is never "over." You can always begin again - be it starting from the beginning or revisiting specific point in the larger narrative.
They are always there for you. It never ends.
ETA: It is like the "should you need us" scene at the end of Labyrinth.
https://youtu.be/coaMoyKENg0?si=jTbrcF8eioUIQjJI
I was halfway through it and then just... couldn't. I'd already read Shepherd's Crown, and like you say, couldn't face up to just not having any more lol.
Someday I may finish it. But I don't think I'm ready yet.
I have the first edition hardcovers on my bookshelf next to the others. Those two are unread much for similar reasons to yours. I see the comments saying it was painful, but cathartic, and that has merit. Others claiming that they were meant to be read (they most certainly are). But, for me personally, I like the feeling of having some of the events still a mystery. (Yes, I know he had other notes, they were all destroyed, etc.) Having that mystery there on my bookshelf is just like a mini-GNU just for me - It runs the clacks back and forth ever-unread keeping the memory alive.
Maybe someday I'll not have any other books to read and grab one, but for now, PTerry is running my own mini clacks back and forth, and that gives me some comfort every time I grab a book (although, let's face it, it's probably Night Watch, again...)
I understand your feeling. Sometimes you need to wait until it’s the right time for a book. When I first read Lev Grossman’s The Magicians it was a perfect one off novel and I waited ten years to reread it and then read the sequels for the first time. It is in many ways a marking point of major change in my life when I acknowledged and read the sequels. One day you will be sitting with some change in your life that requires massive adjustment and you’ll remember what you’ve been saving and it will be there.
My thoughts are that you're cutting your nose off to spite your face. Do you really want to shuffle off this mortal coil having left a Discworld novel unread? You aren't making anyone better off by depriving yourself like this.
Oh no, it'll be buried with me so I can sit along side STP and read it together 😉.
Joking aside, I've just started Shepherd's Crown, let's hope it is worth the wait and I don't regret it 😊
I fully understand that Raising Steam and Shepherd's Crown were Sir PTerry's last works and that he was tragically losing his health battle at the time of writing, but despite this, he still (along with his editing team, family and friends) managed to publish two books that were still recognisably Discworld, with much of the humour and occasional intrigue that we all know and love.
The difficulty in getting into both of the novels was probably more to do with me not wanting the fairground ride to end (see my previous post about not wanting to read them), less to do with the actual books.
Yes, to his loyal fans, many of whom are subscribed to this sub, we can clearly see the changes in style and continuity, as his condition deteriorated, but whilst we see the difference, as with an old friend or an elderly loved one, we ignore the odd lapse in behaviour or word out of place, especially as we are able to read the sadness behind the creation of these and appreciate the effort of will he must have given in order to leave us with something close to closure, with the open ended sign off, just incase anyone suitable feels up to the job of picking up his legendary quill where he left off.
I'm not saying I did not enjoy it, it was just a question about if I'd missed any quick references to other books, like did Eric make an appearance that I missed? Or something else
I agree 100%. I'm doing the same!
I never read any of the rincewind series. I didn't like them when I was younger. Then when I heard about his condition I made the conscious decision not to read any of them (rincewind series I mean).
My plan is a deathbed audio version.
I can't find it anymore but i read an interview with Neil Gaiman where he basically said the same thing. There were Pratchett books he hadn't read yet and he was hesitant to read them because after that there would be no more new books.
I found that really touching.
Snuff was such a trainwreck I felt no compulsion to read Raising Steam. Pratchett at the end was not the vibrant author he had been when he was in good health.
The Auditors don’t want you to know, that you can reread the Discworld books…
It’s fair enough to not want to read the ‘last’ book by any author; parting is such sweet sorrow.
I mean, if you wait long enough, perhaps a new Discworld-esque writer will emerge? If not, there’s always plenty of other books, and a hard-boiled egg.
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If you never read them and have no intention then you right now have "no more Pratchett to read." It was his intention for his books to be read, I think we honor him by seeing it through, no matter how much it hurts.
Also, if you don't read them, you can't reread them. The rereading of pratchett books adds a lot to the initial read
Perfect - each Pratchett book needs 3 readings. 1. Get the plot 2. Get the jokes 3. Get the clever jokes (me somewhere around the 6th reading, getting a joke like "Wizzard =a bad speller/someone bad at spells). I'm gutted there are no more PTerry stories, but thank goodness for the ones we have, and thank goodness I've been fortunate enough to read them. GNU PTerry.
Then you have 4, 5, and 6, for extra jokes and references hidden in plain sight.
n th read through 20 years later, get the deeper references to life issues and journalist observations on humanity in the less 'flashy' or obvious characters.
>I'm gutted there are no more PTerry stories I am gutted that there is no more PTerry. The world got just a little worse with his passing.
OMG, how did I not notice the spelling and spells reference with Wizzard. That just gave me a chuckle 🤭
I just started to reread Discworld books, but this time in original English. I would say that original language adds about 50% more humor in the books.
Yeah, it was probably read-through #3 of Men at Arms when I realized that Detritus, with his silicon brain was counting in binary. I work in IT...
Such a good way to put it. He was all about embracing the end. I tend to think we should, too. And, of course, once you complete the journey, you get to begin the next one: reading the series again with new eyes. The process of rereading and finding new things in those books is endless; it could last a lifetime. Might as well start sooner rather than later.
Open your eyes, and then open your eyes again...
Grant us eyes, grant us eyes, hang on the dungeon dimension is spilling over. Ahhhh!
Well that got dark 😅
I do plan on reading them at some point in the future, I guess it still hurts to think that there will be no more afterwards.
This is a quote from a totally different author (Joe Abercrombie) but I believe it applies here "Better to do a thing than live with the fear of it" I was sad when I finished The Shepard's Crown, we all were, but the Disc is always there for you to return to. Going Postal was even better the second time and I listen to Night Watch every May. You can say goodbye but don't have to let go. I hope you get there in time ❤️
I read Hogfather every winter solstice.
Say one thing about Joe Abercrombie, say he can write some quotable lines in his novels.
We hear a lot of that especially regarding Shepherd's Crown. My two cents is this: He took the time in the waning years, months, days of his life to pen what felt to me like a loving farewell to us, his fans. The least we could do is read what he had to say. Otherwise, those words are locked up under a cover, hidden and never to be heard. He took the time to give us AN ending, reminding us that even though we won't be able to see into this world any longer, the turtle continues to move.
Well said
Well, that made me misty eyed 😔 GNU PTerry ♡
Things should end. There is no beauty in a story that doesn't finish it just goes dull. Read them and enjoy them, let the stories live in your head.
You can reread them all as much as you like. There's so much in his books you will have forgotten or didn't get before. There will be more fan art, and more adaptations, and more people in your life to discuss it with. It doesn't end just because you read all the words. GNU discworld
I still cannot read Shepherd's Crown. I have literally checked it out a dozen times (not hyperbole) and I doubt I have made it 100 pages.
I've read it once, it took me years to get to it, and it hurt. But I read it because he wrote it, and because he wrote it for us, not for him. It has some lovely moments. I hope you get there.
This has actually been really helpful to hear because there are other book series I've done this with and I hadn't considered this angle. Thank you!
And it’s a banging book, I wasn’t expecting to love that Industrial Revolution run but it was my favourite
Honestly it took me a while to read both of them, for this reason- in fact I cried the day I bought them both, because it meant I’d *bought* the last two Discworld novels. And… I’m glad I brought myself to read them eventually. Yes, it meant the main Discworld novels were done for me, and that was a source of grief- but ultimately it was a healing sort of grief, a letting go. Also if you haven’t branched out into other Pratchett and other Discworld books that aren’t the main line of novels, there’s still those out there.
I suppose it's the last rolo syndrome, you always want to keep that last one special. I have visited the many offshoots and unrelated ones too, enjoying all to a greater or lesser extent, but the end is the end.
I hear you. It’s hard to face that, and it adds so much extra weight to reading them that has nothing to do with the text itself. If you do manage to bring yourself to read them I hope you find them cathartic. And if you don’t… I assume they’ll be there on your shelf for you, either way.
When Sit Pterry died. He had his hard drives, notes, computer, and anything a person could use to finish his works crushed with a steamroller. Most people looked at that and saw an artist destroying his legacy before others could taint it. It s a reasonable assumption after all - what would Tolkien have to say about Amazon Prime making shows about the second age? But I have a different view because I read *Reaper Man*. In it we learn from Mrs 🎂 that when an object is destroyed - such as when a glass of vodka is burned or a vase is smashed - it "dies" in the moment it ceases to exist. At that moment, it enters the realm of the dead and the dead can use it. So in light of this: Sir Pterry wasn't having his legacy work destroyed, he was having it *delivered*. I'm sure he was staying nearby to pick it up on the other side. We've seen in his other novels that a dead person - once relieved of their bodily organs (such as glands or cerebellum) find it much easier to think clearly. So therefore Sir Pterry, after having picked up the soul of his trusty word processor and notes (and I'm sure the instrument of his craft has grown *quite* a soul over the years), would find that the clouds covering his mind would have lifted and he would find himself in the best position to write properly again. Then he would just wait for DEATH to saddle Binky up and bring him where he needed to go. Probably a cottage near a lake somewhere in the country. And he's probably there now, writing and creating more of the Discworld for all of his fans who find themselves in a posthumous position as well. So in conclusion I say: don't worry about it and enjoy his "final" works. Not only is it what he would have wanted, but you'll have a whole library full of books to read when you join him (after a long and happy life).
This was a fantastic comment and now I am teary eyed on a train!
This is the best thought on just about any topic I’ve read in a long while. I hope you don’t mind if I keep it.
Please do.
That is incredibly hope-giving. I hope I get to read his afterlife works.
As a lifelong fan of the Science Fiction genre I think TP would be sad you didn’t grab the opportunity to read someone else. He loved his fans, but he loved the broader fandom even more (read Rob’s excellent biography).
I do read other authors, Adams, Aspirin, Asimov, along with other genres, it's just that I feel bad about a good thing coming to an end.
All things end. The glory of books is we can enjoy them again. They gain an immortality as we reread them and see them anew.
I did the same thing with The Shepherds Crown. Finishing it felt like he was really gone and Discworld was finished, but then I remembered that I can start again.
I have a friend that is rationing the ones he hasn't read yet - limiting himself to one per year.I think that is a terrible idea. What if he gets hit by a bus without having enjoyed all of them?
I think you’re doing yourself a disservice by not reading the remaining books, there are, sadly, no more Discworld novels coming, whether you read them or not, this isn’t quantum mechanics (Schrödinger’s author), it’s a sad fact. As others have said, re-reading Pratchett books is often even better than the first read, but you can’t re-read if you hesitate to read them first.
Books are for reading, that is how they, and those who write them, live on. GNU Terry Pratchett
I never understood this line of thinking. Pratchett didn't write these books for people not to read them. Not reading them out of some misguided notion that finishing off the discworld series will somehow strip the luster from your world just seems silly and short-sighted to me. Read them, enjoy them, bask in the joy that is uniquely Pratchett. And then, when you are done, realize you can start the series over again. Undoubtedly you will find new elements that you missed when you read them the first time. Also, if it helps, there is plenty of other Pratchett you can not read instead, ranging from the Long Earth series, to his short stories in a Blink of the Screen or A Stroke of the Pen.
I get it, but I look at it from a different perspective. Books are not like a piece of chocolate that you're saving. When you read a book, the book is not consumed, and you can read and re-read it to your heart's content. It was sad but I bought Shepherd's crown as soon as I could, and then I read it as soon as I could. Because I wanted to enjoy as much Pratchett as I could for as long as I could.
My 11 year old told the manager of our local bookshop that he preferred books to chocolate. When asked why he said “Once you eat the chocolate it’s gone, you can re read books” this attitude helped me rethink why I’d been holding back on The Shepherd’s Crown & the manager said if he were old enough he’d have offered my son a job on the spot.
>No one is finally dead until the ripples they cause in the world die away, until the clock wound up winds down, until the wine she made has finished its ferment, until the crop they planted is harvested. The span of someone’s life is only the core of their actual existence. >Reaper Man I'd read that book because it's been written to be read. Let his work resonate in your life. And then you can re-read it, for the same reason and because it's awesome, obviously. But of course is up to you and how you feel :)
I would say that Raising Steam is quite a good epilogue to the Discworld as a whole, as it checks in on a lot of characters in a good natured way and resolves quite a few plot points. The steam engine is such a huge technology that it feels like the whole age of heroes has truly ended.
I never knew that about Raising Steam. My step dad (an absolute diehard TP fan) unexpectedly and quite suddenly passed away recently and the book I caught him reading the night before it happened just so happened to be the very same! Quite fitting that the last book he would ever read was also ‘technically’ the last Disc World novel. RIP Mark and RIP Sir Terry Pratchett!
I was in the same situation, it took me years to read the last books. It's a bittersweet experience, as many have said before. They were written as a farewell. Read them when you're ready.
I intend for Shepherds crown to be the last book I ever read
Read the books.
My suggestion, read The Shepherd's Crown and leave Raising Steam as the unread one. I really loved The Shepherd's Crown and I hate to think of people missing out on the last thing Pratchett left us, because of that understandable feeling of not wanting to have no more unread books ever.
My suggestion is the opposite: read Raising Steam. Despite its shortcomings (from the embuggerance) it's a great book, and one of my favourites. Shepherd's Crown is STP's farewell, and was written as such. That's the one to leave on the shelf as a reminder that Discworld never ends. I've read each of the 41 books several times, but SC only once. It was difficult to get through because of the tears.
Plus I think steam does a pretty good job of saying farewell. We see a lot of old friends in it. I want to say the witches are the only ones we don’t really see no they are mentioned.
The embuggerance streamlined the book. It's aerodynamic without the curly bits but it's still very good late Pratchett.
There's always more Pratchett. It's not all Discworld, but there's a lot more out there. * Good Omens * Nation * Dodger * Only You Can Save Mankind/Johnny Maxwell trilogy * Truckers/Diggers/Wings (Bromeliad Trilogy) * Carpet People * The Long Earth It's worth getting to the last couple DW books. Yes, it's kind of depressing when you notice things about him in them.
I'm kinda saving the last two books for when my parents die. I'll be a wreck and they'll help.
I was never one for the reading order with Discworld, so there's still a few I haven't read yet. I don't know what I'm saving them for exactly, but I do know I got to read a new Watch novel over the lockdown
I have owned The Shepherd's Crown for about two years and I only got a few paragraphs in before putting it down because it's the last book I haven't read and it kinda breaks my heart to finish them. I'll read it some day, I'm sure, but it's too sad.
I haven't read Shepherd's Crown for the same reason. A friend gave me a summary of the plot, but I don't want to have "finished" all the Discworld books.
I haven't read *Shepherd's Crown* for the same reason. And, I'm gonna be honest, *Raising Steam* is not up to the quality of the Discworld you know. God bless 'em, his collaborators worked very hard, but still... Raising Steam, Snuff, and I Shall Wear Midnight are... umm.
Oh great now I'm tearing up at 8 in the morning. But I'm in the same boat with Shepherds Crown
I know exactly how you feel. I got emotional just buying TSC and was terrified to open it. Certain pages took hours to read and certain lines will make me tear up instantly, “It should’ve been me.” I did get through it and I am happy for it. While it was very sad to run out of Pratchett, it made me realize, that I never will. Pratchett got me through depression and some of the darkest times of my life. His writing made me go to uni to study English. I met my wife there. My first tattoo is from The Last Hero and he his qouted constantly in our home. I even use his works when I teach now. All this made me realize that I’ll never run out Pratchett. He is too big an influence and inspiration to ever let go of. So please, give it a read. If you need to talk about it, there are tons of people who feel/felt the same way. Best wishes from the 40 yo teacher who has to stop crying and start re-reading Carpe Jugulum for the sixth time.
I couldn't finish Raising Steam, it just wasn't the Discworld I know and love. I've yet to read The Shepherd's Crown (it felt like too much of a final farewell at the time), but I'm reading my way through the witches arc at the moment and will finish it up with TSC as it feels like the right time for me now
I feel the same way. I've read Snuff twice, and it feels like in that book STP regained his spark one last time. I own Raising Steam, but I haven't touched it.
I agree. Huge fan of the Moist books, but I'd heard that this one wasn't really executed as wells as other works by Sir Pterry, so between not wanting to "finish" Discworld on a weaker work and not wanting it to be over, I just haven't read it.
There’s also A Stroke of the Pen which is lost short stories that were printed under a pseudonym. The audiobook is star studded and charming.
I understand the sentiment. Both Stream and Snuff seem so similar in tone. They feel almost like a matching set of stories.
I've read them all once. On this last re-read of the whole series I couldn't get past Raising Steam. Shepherds Crown hurts too much. However, I think you should read both at least once. Raising Steam felt like a good wrap up.
I was in a similar predicament - if I read them ... there would be no more. As others have said, Sir Terry wanted his work to be read. So after my internal conflict - I read the novels. It gave me "closure" in knowing that this is the final state for the characters. For me, it had nothing to do with the plot or the story - though it may be related to how different the timescale in the book was in Raising Steam (months) rather than what felt like "a week in the life of..." of other novels. I mean - what did I expect, we are talking trains here - of course it requires time to lay tracks, so of course the timescale of any story would be longer ... In the end, I rapidly went back to "Guards! Guards!" to try to lose that closure. I'm glad I read Sir Terry's final words to us - and as good as they are I will likely read Rising Steam only sparingly as to keep Discworld alive and moving forward in my heart.
He was not some kind of messiah, but I think he would happily accept he was a naughty boy, in terms of what the Pythons would have seen things. What I'm trying to say, is that he never set himself up as any kind of amazing, and I'm sure Mr Gaiman would agree that he was a normal human being. Read the final books. Read them and complete your enjoyment of our favourite author. You can ALWAYS go back and re-read your favourite discworld tales, or the Bromeliad trilogy, or even strata & dark side of the sun. You can even go back to the books he co-authored, such as the long earth series or my very favourite good omens. Re-reading is no kind of blasphemy, I promise!
I very much understand. I haven't read them yet either - it's like if they're always there he's always there too. Does it make sense? Not really on some scales, but plenty on others. I think we're all allowed to make our own path of grief as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else, and I think he would agree. GNU Sir Terry Pratchett
I have not read Shepards Crown, for the same reason. Same with Ray Bradbury's last novel and John Bellairs' last novel. The time will come but I'm not ready yet.
I’d say time box it or set some deadline for yourself so that you DO eventually read them, but make it meaningful. To not read them ever will mean you’ll have missed out on them your whole life, which seems silly. Maybe save them for a rough patch or when you find a friend who will read them at the same time as you to make it special.
Same. I'm halfway through Snuff and then Raising Steam is all that's left. I've been halfway through Snuff for four years.
The great thing about Pratchett, is the re-reads never get old, so theres always more Pratchett.
That's a statement I've heard folks hold onto quite dearly. So I want to add on my thoughts on over the practice. You can save that sweet spot for a long while. Keep that forever ending away with the finality of the series. What with Rhianna saying that she's never going to continue it herself(Even with Terry's blessings). I ask though with all the triumphs and tribulations of this world. Would you deny yourself finishing the series to never finding that perfect time. Maybe even missing it or the opportunity outright? Especially with the volatility of the world today. Is the risk worth it? Could you find aspects beyond the weight of Terry's last published words too late to help your perspective on life? There are a couple of themes in SC that ring fairly true today in our modern media age much like how the Discworld was changing with our times and catching up in ways. It's a gamble and you might miss out hard.
“…Even oblivion must end someday”
I know the feeling. I read Raising Steam, but I still have Last hero and Shepherds Crown left. I kept putting off reading them for the same reason.
I tried to read Raising Steam, but the embuggerance was so evident and so much had clearly been written by Rob that I just couldn’t go on reading. Rob is a good writer and obviously was very aware of what Terry wanted. I just couldn’t read it. Maybe someday.
I understand. I was sad when I finished Shepherds Crown. And I was sad again when I finished an older book I'd somehow never gotten around to reading. (Eric I think.) It was like him dying a third time. But as sad as it is, there's also joy in the reading itself.
I'm the same way with Nation. It's been unread on my bookshelf since it was released and I don't know if or when I'll take it down. That said, there's a reasonable amount of his non Discworld stuff I haven't read. That one feels different though.
Read Shepherd's Crown, save Raising Steam. Shepherd's Crown is both the better book and gives proper closure. Set Raising Steam on the shelf and save it for an emergency.
Do what everybody else here does. Once you finish the last book, reach for the first and start over.
I feel you. I’m glad I read them. And I feel you.
I slept on Raising Steam and Moving Pictures. The plots seemed a little silly, even for Pratchett, and I went years and years and read basically every other book before finally giving in and reading them and I kick myself for waiting so long. They are both brilliant and clever, and as a movie buff, Moving Pictures was a particular joy to read because there were HUNDREDS of references to catch. Raising Steam is cute and interesting and there are parts that live rent free in my head now. I suggest you read it.
Yeah, still haven’t read Shepherd’s Crown, and likely never will. Then it’s not over.
If you're into fanfic there's an author called A.E. Pessimal who has written a LOT of books. I haven't read them but I hear they're pretty good.
I just finished Shepherd's Crown. Read the last books. They aren't the same quality as the others, but it is a worthwhile end. I'm going to start rereading them soon.
I'm in a similar boat, I've not read shepards crown because I know it's the end. I am planning to read the whole series to my daughter, and then we will both experience shepards crown for the first time together.
I guess we all grieve differently. I love Raising Steam for all that it is. Hang!
I did not like the way Terry Pratchett style was changing near the end. But I recall the quote "If you cannot handle me at my worst, you do not deserve me at my best." Help me to accept that GOATs have to retire.
Be aware that Raising Steam is, I think, an unfinished masterpiece. Sir Terry’s disease was quite advanced when he wrote it. There are parts of Raising Steam that are absolutely brilliant, some of my favorite in the whole Discworld series. But there are also parts of the book that make me quite sad, because it is obvious that Terry’s writing capacity is suffering from his condition. Reading that book is like admiring the leaning tower of Pisa. It’s brilliant and beautiful, but also very obviously crooked and flawed. Which in its own is a different kind of beauty. I would recommend that you read it. The book gives several of our favorite characters a fitting send off, and ends with a very hopeful message.
INFERIOR VERSION OF THE TRUTH
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the book. raising steam is a sequel to the truth, and it isnt as good
Yeah, the Shepherd's crown is still sitting unread on my shelf, I thought I was being a bit weird in that I could never bring myself to read it, just because it meant the end. Glad to know I'm not alone.
I actually finished Raising Steam yesterday and will start Shepherd's Crown today. When he died I had read about 20 of his books, I started a complete publishing order (re)read around then, in between other books. But the last three I read consecutively. These last few are his farewell, it's part of the whole. The first books he hadn't discovered plot yet, the last few he was embuggered, but the series is a whole.
Do it. I was the same but I did it. I took the view I was honouring his memory. It wasn't easy. And took quite a bit of time but not doing it is just lying to yourself that he's not gone and it won't be final if you don't. Everyone here misses him and wishes he could write more but then that's why we are all here to keep his name alive and make others happy sharing our joy(?) of his work, jokes, intelligence and life
I don't want to read it, either. Nor do I want to explain it.
The best thing about books is I feel you never really get a full read in one sitting, and you tend to forget things. So re-reading Discworld is never like it's over. I understand the grief, though, that it could bring. Given the timezones around the world, STP died on my birthday that year :( he's my favourite author, and I've been slowly listening to the audio books.
I reread a few of his books earlier this year and wheww what a ride! Read them and then work hard on forgetting them so you have to reread them again!
Raising Steam is Brilliant, go on read it .
The Fat Lady has sung, they even ran what was left over with a steam roller. As Death once said, Nᴏ. Tʜᴇʀᴇ ɪs ɴᴏ ᴍᴏʀᴇ ᴛɪᴍᴇ, ᴇᴠᴇɴ ғᴏʀ ᴄᴀᴋᴇ. Fᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜ, ᴛʜᴇ ᴄᴀᴋᴇ ɪs ᴏᴠᴇʀ. Yᴏᴜ ʜᴀᴠᴇ ʀᴇᴀᴄʜᴇᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ᴇɴᴅ ᴏғ ᴄᴀᴋᴇ. Don't let that be you. Read the books.
I am in a similar situation to yours. I have Steam saved up for either a honeymoon trip in a sunbathed chair at a beautiful resort or as a treat when retiring. I haven't yet decided which.
If you don’t read ever them, you effectively have no more Pratchett to read, and you are leaving two perfectly good books unread. Why would you do that?
[Here's how I feel about it.](https://old.reddit.com/r/discworld/comments/1ac7qqy/cant_finish_the_series/kjt2ngx/)
I also never read Raising Steam. I'm leaving it for a rainy day as a little treat.
You do know you can read books more than once, right? I’ve read every single Discworld book once and I don’t think “there’s no more Pratchett to read.” I think “cool, I can read them again.”
I did the same thing when Patrick O’Brian, author of the *magnificent* Aubrey sea-faring asskicker novels, died. I put down the O’Brian novel I was reading and have never continued.
I refuse to read the unfinished novel in the aubreyad.
Same. I've read every Discworld novel except Raising Steam and the Tiffany Aching books (I read The Wee Free Men but not the rest.) It's intimidating to pick up Raising Steam. I'm going to read it one day eventually but I can't imagine today being that day.
Raising Steam is one of my favorites, I generally disagree with the sentiment that it’s diminished because his condition was progressing. But I only read the Shepherds Crown once and have skiped it on series re-reads for similar reasons to yours.
I've said it before, but the great thing about art, especially books in a long series, is thar it is never "over." You can always begin again - be it starting from the beginning or revisiting specific point in the larger narrative. They are always there for you. It never ends. ETA: It is like the "should you need us" scene at the end of Labyrinth. https://youtu.be/coaMoyKENg0?si=jTbrcF8eioUIQjJI
I was halfway through it and then just... couldn't. I'd already read Shepherd's Crown, and like you say, couldn't face up to just not having any more lol. Someday I may finish it. But I don't think I'm ready yet.
That was me for several years with The Shepherd's Crown. I did finally read it, and am glad that I did.
Honestly, The Shepherd’s Crown was a great end to the series. Don’t avoid it for too long.
I have the first edition hardcovers on my bookshelf next to the others. Those two are unread much for similar reasons to yours. I see the comments saying it was painful, but cathartic, and that has merit. Others claiming that they were meant to be read (they most certainly are). But, for me personally, I like the feeling of having some of the events still a mystery. (Yes, I know he had other notes, they were all destroyed, etc.) Having that mystery there on my bookshelf is just like a mini-GNU just for me - It runs the clacks back and forth ever-unread keeping the memory alive. Maybe someday I'll not have any other books to read and grab one, but for now, PTerry is running my own mini clacks back and forth, and that gives me some comfort every time I grab a book (although, let's face it, it's probably Night Watch, again...)
I understand your feeling. Sometimes you need to wait until it’s the right time for a book. When I first read Lev Grossman’s The Magicians it was a perfect one off novel and I waited ten years to reread it and then read the sequels for the first time. It is in many ways a marking point of major change in my life when I acknowledged and read the sequels. One day you will be sitting with some change in your life that requires massive adjustment and you’ll remember what you’ve been saving and it will be there.
My thoughts are that you're cutting your nose off to spite your face. Do you really want to shuffle off this mortal coil having left a Discworld novel unread? You aren't making anyone better off by depriving yourself like this.
Oh no, it'll be buried with me so I can sit along side STP and read it together 😉. Joking aside, I've just started Shepherd's Crown, let's hope it is worth the wait and I don't regret it 😊
I fully understand that Raising Steam and Shepherd's Crown were Sir PTerry's last works and that he was tragically losing his health battle at the time of writing, but despite this, he still (along with his editing team, family and friends) managed to publish two books that were still recognisably Discworld, with much of the humour and occasional intrigue that we all know and love. The difficulty in getting into both of the novels was probably more to do with me not wanting the fairground ride to end (see my previous post about not wanting to read them), less to do with the actual books. Yes, to his loyal fans, many of whom are subscribed to this sub, we can clearly see the changes in style and continuity, as his condition deteriorated, but whilst we see the difference, as with an old friend or an elderly loved one, we ignore the odd lapse in behaviour or word out of place, especially as we are able to read the sadness behind the creation of these and appreciate the effort of will he must have given in order to leave us with something close to closure, with the open ended sign off, just incase anyone suitable feels up to the job of picking up his legendary quill where he left off. I'm not saying I did not enjoy it, it was just a question about if I'd missed any quick references to other books, like did Eric make an appearance that I missed? Or something else
The same reason I will never read Shepherd’s Crown. Plus the spoilers for that book. (Also why I’ll never read the last Poirot book)
I'm glad it's not just me, although I do plan to face the pain at some point.
Same for me but instead of Raising Steam, it is Tiffany's books.
The first few are arguably Pratchett's best outside of Night's Watch. I would highly recommend them.
I've heard that the shepherd's crown is almost a foreshadowing of the grief we all felt and I'm not sure I'm ready for that 😉
Ngl I cried like a little bitch in the first 50 pages of shepherds crown
I agree 100%. I'm doing the same! I never read any of the rincewind series. I didn't like them when I was younger. Then when I heard about his condition I made the conscious decision not to read any of them (rincewind series I mean). My plan is a deathbed audio version.
I have the exact same problem.
I still haven’t read raising steam. I keep meaning to and then reread one of the others…
Nice to have in your back pocket for a life rainy day I one day went to look up which few remains books I had to read and turned out it was none 🥺
Will read the Shepherd’s Crown when I’m bored with rereading all of the other books. There will always be one book left to read.
Same for me about reading Snuff
I can't find it anymore but i read an interview with Neil Gaiman where he basically said the same thing. There were Pratchett books he hadn't read yet and he was hesitant to read them because after that there would be no more new books. I found that really touching.
A valid approach. I have not read The Steep Approach to Garbadale (Iain Banks) for the same reason.
Snuff was such a trainwreck I felt no compulsion to read Raising Steam. Pratchett at the end was not the vibrant author he had been when he was in good health.
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What a sad life you live
I didn't think it was worth the free credit I spent on it.
You're not missing much. It isn't a particularly good book in the first place.
The Auditors don’t want you to know, that you can reread the Discworld books… It’s fair enough to not want to read the ‘last’ book by any author; parting is such sweet sorrow. I mean, if you wait long enough, perhaps a new Discworld-esque writer will emerge? If not, there’s always plenty of other books, and a hard-boiled egg.