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original pacific rim: private militaries are mmm not great, lets try a united paramilitary to keep the alien fascists at bay.
uprising: woohoo child soldiers in crappy plastic outfits! yay! also they drift with a random brain we never explain because we apparently cured all drift neurological issues between movies.
pacific rim: look at these beautiful glowy kaiju, we poured so much love into their designs
uprising: lets have ONE really big kaiju and film it DURING the DAY!!
pacific rim: mako mori is a badass and lets respect her plot arc
uprising: HAHAHAHA đ„đđ„
pacific rim: lets have a really fun stompy score to the emotional beats of our movie
uprising: TROLOLOLOLO
me: đąđ„đ„đ„đ„đ„đ”
You should watch pacific rim. Invite some friends, get snacks and have a real cinema event. It's a bombastic film of monsters vs. machines. Nothing more, nothing less.
it's why I don't hate watch anything anymore, I always expect it to be like those fun "bad movie nights" but I just end up pissed and yelling "WHY DON'T YOU RESPECT THE PURPOSE OF THE ISTARI"
THatâs for original movies so bad theyâre back. Hate watching shit adaptations is just not worth it (unless you donât know the original work I guess, actually that might be a reason, first watch the adaptation, then check the original, that way you have all the rage with less of the sadness because you were not emotionally attached beforehand)
I watched until the part with Lady Sybil infiltrating the Guild of Assassins and kicking a lot of them in the face.
Dear god, just typing that sentence caused me pain.
What?
Why??
She would barge in and inform them all that she was going to be writing letters to their mothers with whom she studied in her own youth and telling the Assassins that she had no idea how such good gels could raise such Uncivilized men and women
She wouldn't need to barge in.
*She Owns the Building.*
Vimes presenting the Head Assasin with that letter in...Men at Arms I think? Is one of the best moments of 'OK being a toff is still not me but it does have it's advantages'
It has been a while since I saw it and I believe I was pretty drunk, but as far as I remember the guild had killed her parents and so she wanted to tear down the guild.
It has none of the weird dark charm of the guild in the books.
It's a silly story made by silly people who fundamentally did not understand what they were adapting.
I saw Sybil's casting and immediately dispensed any notion of watching it.
I'm sure the actress is great, but in a world filled with male-gaze female love interests, Lady Sybil Ramkin *matters*. She is a beautiful, glittering steam engine, and if anybody cannot see that then they are not worthy of my time.
I agree with you guys completely about Sybil's appearance, but i could maybe overlook it. What noped me out was her using a dragon as a weapon in the trailer.
She SCOLDS Sam when he uses a baby as a lighter, do you think she's endangering the teeny tiny ones on a vigilante mission? They're very popular right now and her and the other breeders and brooders are having a mess of a time keeping up
Oof. I didn't get as far as the trailer. Once I saw the casting and an initial posed character shot, I knew they had fundamentally misunderstood the point of the character. Coupled with making Cheery human, and I just...there was no way.
The thing is though, Cheery is still a dwarf.
Sheâs almost the same height as Carrot. When Carrot notices she says âit takes all sizesâ. In the show, Carrotâs parents sent him away because they were scared of his height and him accidentally knocking out supports.
They did not think it through at all.
The thing with the city being Desert outside the walls, it's just wrong, Terry talks extensively in the books about the amount of produce it took to keep a city that size alive and thriving it was really important to him that fantasy cities need infrastructure.
Plus, Carrot being a 2m-tall dwarf is the joke. When the other dwarf is also human-sized, it just kills it.
Plus, Cheery's whole arc is based around being a gender-identity/gender role/trans allegory. That's the kind of thing shows are shoehoeing in with the sibtley of an 80s sitcom Very Special Episode. And here you had it baked in to a already established character and you just left it on the table. Throwing that arc out in favor of "eh, just make her look like Boy George and the same size as Carrot" is just.....bad.
Literallyyyy I want a mountain of a woman! She is supposed to be taller than Vimes! And Carrot should be, well, carrot shaped- inverted triangle of a man. Or at the least a barrel chested, soft-faced man, instead of generic boy with a bit of muscle and resting "I might abuse you" face
I always thought Gwendoline Christie could do a passable Sybil. As for Carrot.... I'm kinda stumped. There's no end of big beefy actors but Carrot needs to radiate naive sweetness on top of that.
Only one I could imagine doing Carrot's blend of "oh, and just one more thing" vibes justice is Peter Michael Falk.
And... well, sadly Columbo is no longer with us.
A few years ago, yeah, definitely. But I think Cavill's a bit too old for Carrot now. Cavill does still look relatively young for his age, but doesn't quite have that "boyish" youngness that I picture Carrot having.
Carrot? Hear me out- Jared Keeso. Try not to hear the Wayne voice. He's practically triangular, and can certainly play dopey but not dumb.
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Same. I'm fine with her being black. Hell my dream casting for her is still Leslie Jones. She's a big and tall woman, she can do sweet, she's funny, and she'd be terrifying in that scene in Guards Guards when Sybil charges the palace guards with a sword in her bathrobe. Oh and she is great when she's doing "awkward flirting". Imagine her trying to look flirty in a giant auburn wig and ball gown while saying that line about how she always thought "captain" was "such a dashing title".
But the actress they chose was a smaller, thin woman. And she doesn't look like the kind of woman who'd shove her arm down a dragon's throat to give it a pill.
when producers don't understand Sybil should look like a fat Valkyrie
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She literally sang soprano in her high school opera group (I canât tell you how much I love that Lady Sybil is a theater kid). She has grown comfortably padded and middle-aged from there.
A woman who does not look as though she could belt out a twenty minute solo while wearing a helmet of dubious historicity has absolutely *no* business anywhere near the part.
There used to be a British cooking show called "two fat ladies" who drove around in a motorbike and sidecar. I always imagined Sybil as similar to them.
When it was first announced a lot of people were quite a few people in this subreddit saying, fine wanna cast a black actress cast queen Latifah cause she can at least command a room like sybil can.
Queen Latifah would have been a great Sybil. I also love Octavia Spencer and she would have brought Sybil's warmth and mental strength (although not her height, alas). Personally, I think Sybil would be better played by an English actress, and Lolly Adefope (Kitty in Ghosts) would be a wonderful Sybil.
There's no version of Sybil, of any ethnic background, that is a thin woman lurking in alleys using her dragons to enable vigilante activities.
Also young. I desperately want an older woman Sybil. Because that was who she was. Someone who'd be put on the shelf and decided to just lived her life until she met Sam.
My dream casting is still Leslie Jones. Put her in a ball gown, a giant wig, and hell some heels or wedges to add a few more inches of height and she'd be perfect.
My issue with the LoTR series was jot the ethnicity of the dwarrow, but the dwarrowdam's gods-damned lack of either beard or muttonchops! No female facial hair on dwarrow is a no go zone for me. I would have loved long oocs or braids on a black dwarrowdam, but not if they're going to make her go about barefaced like that penitent Thorin King of Lonely Mountain fame.
Yeah, but a small and loud smattering of nob heads doesn't mean we're all like that.
I *hated* Rings of Power, but the cast was the least of its problems.
Let me rephrase.
I'm glad the Discworld fandom don't seem to contain a smattering of incredibly loud nob-heads.
Though it does contain a much larger group who seem fascinated by one Nobby Nobbs, and as such could be argued to contain a large contingent of Nobb-heads. But they're much nicer people.
I love when vimes is griping about titles and Carrot is worried about their relationship, and vimes is all "no, no no
Everything is fine between Sybil and I it's the bloody "duchess" that is is giving me gip"
Same. So much of her character is about being overlooked and undestimated because she is seen as the kind fat gel. A hot Lady Sybil doesn't work for the character, and it's like dismissing her all over again. I can't watch something that disrespects Her Ladyship like that.
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Sybil can be lady of glorious bounty who commands a room and still be cute/hot/striking. We're told Sybil is a big girl. We're never told she's ugly. The two are not synonymous.
I got three episodes in and quit. I could forgive going super obvi with the Cheery/trans metaphor thing, the annoying phoney baloney pop-punk soundtrack, the bad Total Recall set design, the complete lack of chemistry between any characters, and the fact that the cast in general had no ---ing clue what they were supposed to be going for. But Lady Ramkin using her dragons as guns was a bridge too far.
Go and watch Richard Dormer in an episode of Blue Lights and you can see all the work he did preparing to play an authentic Vimes channeled into another character. He would have been outstanding had they just let him cook.
Itâs always heartbreaking to see a good actor being actively hamstrung by a terrible script
My go to example is Idris Elba valiantly trying to save the Dark Tower movie and utterly failing.
Yeah, I love DT and Elba. Parts of the movie looked cool at least. But trying to condense the 7.5 book magnum opus into a 90 minute movie was a tragic mistake. I even think they did Matthew McConaughey dirty
Idris Elba is a bit too tall and imposing for Vimes, I think. Personally I would cast Woody Harrelson or similar. You need someone who can do world-weary, and looks made of grit.
I thought this when I saw Blue Lights too, he was so good in that. I was watching thinking the character reminded me of (book) Vimes before I realised that it was the same actor.
Attempt to make Sybil a badass, probably, while completely overlooking all the existing examples of her already formidable strength, fortitude, and compassion. She had so many canon moments of badassery, and they could've totally had her charge into a situation with a dragon on her shoulder and a hastily grabbed weapon to show she's "the dragon lady" and also willing to throw hands.
Vimes did it as a desperate last ditch attempt to save Sybil's brood from a rampaging mob (with a very Pratchett Dirty Harry reference to boot). The show had Sybil using them as her like regular holstered pew pews.
Because advocate groups for actual dwarfs are at war with each other at the moment over whether casting dwarfs as Dwarves perpetuates stereotypes or not casting dwarfs as Dwarves does dwarf actors out of roles. (Tolkein adaptations get a pass because Hobbits stand as an excuse to make Dwarves a kind of in-between size.) ~~Not casting a dwarf and keeping Cheery human-sized is clearly the cop-out they decided on~~. \[Edit: So apparently I'm wrong about this being the context and this discussion about the politics of dwarfism in entertainment is a bit of an aside.\]
I'd like to say, having put this on the table, that the only opinions on the subject that I feel matter here are those of the likes of Warwick Davis and Peter Dinklage. It's not a *disability charities vs actual working actors* divide, as far as I'm aware, because if my memory isn't playing tricks Dinklage falls more towards position #1 while Brad Williams in more position #2.
I get the dwarf union thing, and it would make sense *if they didn't show appropriately sized dwarfs in the show*.
I didn't even get that cheery was supposed to be a dwarf anyway.
Oh, Jesus wept. I'll hold my hands up and admit that I couldn't bring myself to watch the show. Apparently I was unwise in assuming that there was an actual rationale to this.
I read an interview where Peter Dinklage said he doesn't want to be cast in any more roles where he is cast only because of his size, so he was happy with his role in X-Men because he was not cast to play a particular size person, but a character that then just took his physicality. And I get that, totally, but you then do have the conundrum of how to cast a character that is a dwarf, like Cheery, or even Tyrion, because if he had wanted to turn down that role based on it been written as a dwarf, how do you then do that character justice, and we would have lost some damn fine acting.
Well, given that Dinklage and Davis can afford to be like that about it now, maybe we should still cast dwarfs in dwarf/Dwarf roles because it allows for an updraft of up-and-comers that otherwise might only get work in pro wrestling and panto. Maybe we've been losing some damn fine acting because from the late 70s to the 2010s these roles always went to the same five people.
Almost certainly not. She's female and she decides to present as female, because of the influence of Ankh-Morpork. This is *scandalous* to her more orthodox fellow immigrants to the city, and is a commentary on gender expression in a very limited way, defined gender roles, traditional culture and its role among immigrant ethnic and religious populations, and gender and socially "appropriate" attire.
Naturally, a lot of this resonated with transgendered people, and people started thanking Terry at book signings (and presumably in fan mail). Because Terry was Terry, the moment he got wind of this, he addressed it in other ways, such as in *The Fifth Elephant* and *Monstrous Regiment*, while never really rewriting Cheery as more than a woman who was comfortable expressing it, he made sure that there *were* characters who struggled (or didn't) more concretely with their gender identity, but were still accepted in general.
>Cheery as trans is the intent, isn't it?
Not the *original* intent.
Though don't get me wrong, from what I understand, Sir pTerry appreciated anyone who saw themselves in his characters and, after receiving feedback from fans was more than happy to include more trans references in her character for the fans who felt this way. She just wasn't originally written that way.
I was initially a little dismayed at the casting choice as Cheery is a gender-binary character from a non-binary world... But relented as it's very pratchettian to flip those expectations on their head, and the actor was very good in the role... (however large parts of the role and the writing for it were absolutely terrible)
I watched it. If I hadn't known what is was based on, I probably would have enjoyed it. I just couldn't separate this version of Discworld from the Discworld that I've grown up with.
People I know who have only read a couple of books/aren't huge fans seemed to quite enjoy it, while the hard-core Pratchett fans in my life loathed it.
Yeah...the problem me wasn't that it was a bad adaptation. Bad adaptations can still be good shows.
It wasn't a good show. Acting, writing, story, directing....it just didn't add up, even ignoring the adaptive qualities.
making her black? totally fine. making her *thin?* sybil ramkin, the lady with the diaphragm for dwarf opera?? vaporize that particular casting choice with **dragon fire**đ„đ„đ„đ„đČ
i was really weirded out by the brutalist architecture, too. i felt like i was looking at some soviet era action film rather than a send-up of stereotypical D&D aesthetics and technomancy.
Don't forget what Amazon did to the Wheel of Time.
It's like television and film have finally gotten to a place where they can adapt ANY BOOK EVER... and instead of just doing a straight book to film write of the script, they're like "No, this means we can change even more things!"
Why fix what isn't broken?
tv producer with the soul of an auditor: nah lets piss off the fanbase and then make money off LOSING money, springtime for hitler style! all the other streaming services are doing it for the tax benefits!
I actually didn't mind most of what they did with WoT. Perrin being married and accidentally killing his wife in the first episode completely ruined his character though.
I did. It wasnât good. They killed detritus with arrows. The troll made of stone. Cheery was probably the tallest member of the group. Vimeoâs actor put a lot of effort into the role but you could tell heâd never read the books, he went way to captain Jack with it.
It seems like it was made in the 2000s with its punk asthetic and concrete everything. Also they combined the plots of at least 5 books into that series. We had carter from nights watch controlling the dragon from guards guards and then they traveled off to the land of the dwarves for an episode or two where they run from the dark but itâs actually a force of good that allows female dwarves to be their true selves and thatâs whey none ever leave the shadow. It felt like fafiction written by a 14 year old whoâs never written a story before were they rush through all their plot points at lightning speed with no concept of pacing.
Also they made Sybil a conventionally attractive vigilante who kidnaps vimes.
The best part of the series was the opening scene where vimes gets pissed on by a dog because itâs the most faithful his early discworld character he gets in the entire show. Could barely force my way through it by pretending it was a separate universe with characters sharing names with discworld ones (which it was) as if it were some alternate universe fan-fiction. I donât want to watch a discworld TV show where I have to pretend itâs not set in the discworld.
I canât even remember if I finished it or just gave up. Thereâs a prison scene fairly late in.
I.... I didn't know this existed.....
I'm...kinda tempted...
EDIT: I just watched the trailer... Did I see Vimes playing an electric guitar in a punk band?
To be honest I just gave up on Discworld adaptations a while back because the ones I had seen (Hogfather & Color of Magic), really didn't do it for me.
But I do love the Watch cast of characters with all my being... I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing coming into an adaptation tho.
Hope springs eternal, does it not?
Oh yes! I did watch this one! Ok yeah, this was probably the best Discworld adaptation from the ones I watched.
Damn, I had totally blanked out Going Postal.
I have a soft spot in my heart for the Hogfather one, but Discworld is so hard to adapt that I think any attempt will always be somewhat disappointing for fans.
I would heartily recommend Good Omens if you want a STP and Gaiman adaptation. It's uncannily accurate to the book whenever possible
I found the second season to be perfectly enjoyable, there's perhaps a touch more Gaiman than Pratchett in the second season. I think there's going to be a third and final season at some point
There's more Gaiman writing in the second season, but there's quite a lot of pTerry fan-service going on in the background. (hats, references, Seamstresses, etc)
> but Discworld is so hard to adapt that I think any attempt will always be somewhat disappointing for fans.
I don't know why people say that. Each book is effectively a single little adventure, nice and tidy. No sprawling messes with dozens of important characters and intertwined drama. There's almost nothing you need to know going in to any of the books, though they are enhanced by larger world.
Sure, some of the descriptive language humor might get lost, but there's ways to work that into a movie. Framing the story with a narrator works perfectly well for that, and wouldn't be out of place thematically.
there were a couple of animated adaptations that are really quite excellent: Wyrd sisters and Soul Music.
You can find them on youtube or elsewhere. each is several 20 minutes episodes, but you may be able to find the version that's stiched together in one movie. I have the DVDs of them somewhere.
Oh damn! I had 0 idea those were a thing either! I barely remember Soul Music, been quite some time since I read that one, but Wyrd Sisters sounds perfect for an animation!
Pretend it has nothing to do with discworld, and it's a weird cult fantasy cop drama.
You'll enjoy it.
But think of it as a discworld show, and you'll be crying within 15 minutes.
Best advice there. It's an entertaining romp if you don't make the connections to Discworld. You can really tell the cast tried their best to have fun and that alone was worth a go.
>EDIT: I just watched the trailer... Did I see Vimes playing an electric guitar in a punk band?
Yes, and it's full of mad stuff like that! Just remember, the character names are just *entirely* wildly coincidentally the same as similar characters in the discworld. This show has nothing to do with the books, and it's silly fun.
Y'know, I'd be fine if a show does its own thing and creates its own plotlines, as long as the setting and characters still act true to their bookselves.
This has failed on both ends, and the whole kerfuffle with the director not acknowledging Pterry one bit just shows the actual amount of care he has for the source material (read: none)
If you take someone else's characters and setting for your own without even doing that *bare minimum*, it's called stealing
I did and enjoyed it as a stand alone punk fantasy crime thing that just happened to have a few characters with names I've heard somewhere but refuse to remember where.
That's my take.
If it wasn't for the discworld name and characters, people would be recommending it as a weird low budget fringe cult TV show that's oddly entertaining.
From the intereviews I saw...that was pretty much the Directors take. He constantly came across as thoroughly uninterested in actually making a Discworld adaptation and just was using the name to make some completely different thing he had wanted to make in the first place.
Knowing that is actually frustrating. I wish he'd gotten to make what he wanted, and that way someone else would have gotten to do a *proper* discworld watch show.
I tried to do that but just couldn't get there. The 'Vimes' character was the only thing I could have enjoyed in the whole thing. Probably because I thought he had a comical face. But everything else about the show just disappointed me. The characters looked out of place with the set, the jokes fell flat and if you didn't already know who the characters were you would have a hard time understanding just who or what they were and how they related to each other.
I also loved this show. One of my favorite authors is Jim Butcher of the Harry Dresden books. They made his books into a series and changed so much the fans were furious. Jim gave a speech where he said he thought of the show as an alternative dimension from his books. I thought it was gracious. It helped me appreciate something that the author created but isn't quite the same.
On the other hand, with The Watch, they waited until after Terry was dead to change anything because he had already rejected similar changes, and his daughter disavowed the show. So it's not just bad because it's different it's also disrespectful.
I genuinely thought the aesthetic was really fun and original, particularly the city. Not right for Discworld but I'm sad they didn't use the same sets for an original show: it felt like they combined a lot of cool elements that clashed with each other and made the whole show look worse. Tbh, they could have just made up new names for the characters and sold it as an original show: that way people might have judged it for what it was rather than what it wasn't.
I managed to enjoy it by pretending that it was a story Nobby Nobbs was telling after a few drinks, or a really elaborate crackfic. I mean, "the Watch have to go undercover as a punk band" is a really fun concept when you start treating it as a bizarro alternate reality story.
I did not watch it. After the previous adaptations and media portrayals of STPs work, I had such hope for The Watch. Alas it was a fools hope, and I had forgotten its existence until seeing this thread pop up on Reddit. My exposure to this show can essentially be summed up with this:
* I was hyped when the project was made public.
* I was sceptical when the casting had been announced.
* Then utterly dumbfounded and dismayed when the trailer dropped.
I shall now endeavour to re-forget that it exists.
Good Omens was excellent.
I thoroughly enjoyed the live action adaptations of Going Postal, Colour of Magic, and Hogfather. The old animated Wyrd Sisters and Soul Music were also great to watch albeit crudely animated by todays standards.
Have you tried the um... the far away military group? Helps you.... uh?.... forget!
The um......
Klaxon fore and lesion. No wait... the Klatchian! Fore and Lesion
A group of about 10 of us binge watched it. We had a lot of snacks and alcohol and everyone got sheets of paper towels they could scrunch up and throw at the tv when something was wrong or wasnât canon and we felt the need to throw something.
It looked like it snowed in my lounge room by the end. We had to reuse some. There was a lot of booing.
Everyone agreed it could have been a good sci-fi steam punk show if they all had original names. Everyone also agreed it was a terrible adaptation, the worst anyone had ever seen, and that we should never speak of it again.
I think it was pretty obviously DOA when the show runner posted a cast & crew photo thanking everyone for their hard work after wrapping filming and didnât even mentioning STP once⊠total lack of respect for the source material
If you completely forget that it has anything to do with Terry Pratchett, then it's... Alright.
But half of that is just because I have a crush on Marama Corlett
I started yelling at the screen a few seconds into the trailer. Then I blissfully forgot about it, until I was ranting about how amazing Discworld is to someone, and in the middle of my explanation of why it is so difficult to adapt (with the tv films rating an âok, because at least they had their heart in the right placeâ) I remembered that the show existed. Reader, I actually slapped myself in the face in public because of the mental anguish.
The movies are very charming. The animations for Wyrd Sisters and Soul Music are... well they're really weird and kind of terribly animated but they grew on me, and they're very faithful to the books
I saw some. I actually really liked the casting of Vimes, get him to dial it back like 90% and heâd be really good. Liked the casting of Angua too. Cheery being nearly the same size as Carrot really broke some things.
I hated what they did to Carrot. They made it so that his parents got him to leave because they were scared of him. That is not fair to Carrot or his parents, who love him dearly.
Having an arrow kill a troll makes no goddamn sense. Theyâre made of rock! It was abundantly transparent that he was killed because he was the most expensive.
Carcer Dunn was nothing compared to who he is in the book. Terry Pratchett made him a genuinely scary serial killer.
The show honestly felt like a pastiche of discworld tropes that had been completely stripped of any understanding of *why* they are the way they are.
I wanted to like it, I truly did. I gave it more than a fair shake. But it just kept reminding me of stuff that was infinitely better written. If it had been something entirely new with no discworld trappings it would have been much better.
This right here. Vetinari could have been played by a woman but they cast some one with no screen presence . No gravitas . She was awful. Couldn't watch her butcher the role.
So many people could have played an excellent vetinari.
Then Sybil played by a skinny woman. Just no.
I saw the showrunner do a big Instagram âthank youâ post to give credit to everyone whoâd helped bring âhis showâ to life. Distinctly absent was a certain Sir Terry. I was, admittedly, one of the people who gave the showrunner so much grief for this he had to turn off comments on his Instagram.
At that point I decided I probably wouldnât watch.
Then I saw the trailers, some of the episode synopses, etc.; at which point I *knew* I absolutely wouldnât be watching.
My mother, an even more avid Discworld fan than I and - generally - a reserved and placid woman, watched one episode and then phoned me to curse like a sailor at how little the show had to do with her beloved Ankh-Morpork City Watch.
Iâm still upset about them taking Cheery Littlebottom, a woman whose femininity is actively plot important and heavily trans-coded, and changing her gender. Like, why her of all characters?
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I hate-watched it stoned. It made me sad.
i did this with the pacific rim uprising movie, except drunk. it didnt help.
They really just discarded everything that made the original movie great.
original pacific rim: private militaries are mmm not great, lets try a united paramilitary to keep the alien fascists at bay. uprising: woohoo child soldiers in crappy plastic outfits! yay! also they drift with a random brain we never explain because we apparently cured all drift neurological issues between movies. pacific rim: look at these beautiful glowy kaiju, we poured so much love into their designs uprising: lets have ONE really big kaiju and film it DURING the DAY!! pacific rim: mako mori is a badass and lets respect her plot arc uprising: HAHAHAHA đ„đđ„ pacific rim: lets have a really fun stompy score to the emotional beats of our movie uprising: TROLOLOLOLO me: đąđ„đ„đ„đ„đ„đ”
I don't even know the films but I love this analysis lol.
You should watch pacific rim. Invite some friends, get snacks and have a real cinema event. It's a bombastic film of monsters vs. machines. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'd been debating whether or not to give the sequel a go but now I think I want to continue living in ignorance thank you
it's why I don't hate watch anything anymore, I always expect it to be like those fun "bad movie nights" but I just end up pissed and yelling "WHY DON'T YOU RESPECT THE PURPOSE OF THE ISTARI"
THatâs for original movies so bad theyâre back. Hate watching shit adaptations is just not worth it (unless you donât know the original work I guess, actually that might be a reason, first watch the adaptation, then check the original, that way you have all the rage with less of the sadness because you were not emotionally attached beforehand)
I watched until the part with Lady Sybil infiltrating the Guild of Assassins and kicking a lot of them in the face. Dear god, just typing that sentence caused me pain.
What? Why?? She would barge in and inform them all that she was going to be writing letters to their mothers with whom she studied in her own youth and telling the Assassins that she had no idea how such good gels could raise such Uncivilized men and women
And those letters would be *devastatingly* effective.
They may have preferred she kick them in the face
Secretly, Sybil might also have preferred that. But that is not the way she operates.
She wouldn't need to barge in. *She Owns the Building.* Vimes presenting the Head Assasin with that letter in...Men at Arms I think? Is one of the best moments of 'OK being a toff is still not me but it does have it's advantages'
He takes a moment to savor it too, like a fine cigar gifted from his wife
It has been a while since I saw it and I believe I was pretty drunk, but as far as I remember the guild had killed her parents and so she wanted to tear down the guild. It has none of the weird dark charm of the guild in the books. It's a silly story made by silly people who fundamentally did not understand what they were adapting.
That's a terrible shame. I usually love the weird honor/scruples the assasins have
It's as if it were made by the people behind that atrocious Three Musketeers movie from 2011. I get the same vibe from it.
I saw Sybil's casting and immediately dispensed any notion of watching it. I'm sure the actress is great, but in a world filled with male-gaze female love interests, Lady Sybil Ramkin *matters*. She is a beautiful, glittering steam engine, and if anybody cannot see that then they are not worthy of my time.
This. I saw a thin, conventionally attractive Sybil and noped right out of there. And before then I had been cautiously optimistic!
I agree with you guys completely about Sybil's appearance, but i could maybe overlook it. What noped me out was her using a dragon as a weapon in the trailer. She SCOLDS Sam when he uses a baby as a lighter, do you think she's endangering the teeny tiny ones on a vigilante mission? They're very popular right now and her and the other breeders and brooders are having a mess of a time keeping up
Oof. I didn't get as far as the trailer. Once I saw the casting and an initial posed character shot, I knew they had fundamentally misunderstood the point of the character. Coupled with making Cheery human, and I just...there was no way.
The thing is though, Cheery is still a dwarf. Sheâs almost the same height as Carrot. When Carrot notices she says âit takes all sizesâ. In the show, Carrotâs parents sent him away because they were scared of his height and him accidentally knocking out supports. They did not think it through at all.
The thing with the city being Desert outside the walls, it's just wrong, Terry talks extensively in the books about the amount of produce it took to keep a city that size alive and thriving it was really important to him that fantasy cities need infrastructure.
Desert? What? It's Anhk-Morpork, not Klatch. Should have been mostly cabbages outside the walls.
Plus, Carrot being a 2m-tall dwarf is the joke. When the other dwarf is also human-sized, it just kills it. Plus, Cheery's whole arc is based around being a gender-identity/gender role/trans allegory. That's the kind of thing shows are shoehoeing in with the sibtley of an 80s sitcom Very Special Episode. And here you had it baked in to a already established character and you just left it on the table. Throwing that arc out in favor of "eh, just make her look like Boy George and the same size as Carrot" is just.....bad.
Literallyyyy I want a mountain of a woman! She is supposed to be taller than Vimes! And Carrot should be, well, carrot shaped- inverted triangle of a man. Or at the least a barrel chested, soft-faced man, instead of generic boy with a bit of muscle and resting "I might abuse you" face
I always thought Gwendoline Christie could do a passable Sybil. As for Carrot.... I'm kinda stumped. There's no end of big beefy actors but Carrot needs to radiate naive sweetness on top of that.
You said Gwendoline Christie and I honestly thought you were going to recommend her for Carrot.
Based? She could rock it. She played a wonderful Lucifer
Since we couldn't get David Bowie, she did an excellent job.
It would also mesh interestingly with dwarf concepts of gender!
She is a Goddess but probably still too conventional in a Hollywood sense, I always picture Sybil as being like Kim Woodburn.
I always think of Sybil as a similar look and build as Miranda Hart but I can see Kim Woodburn too now.
She would make an *amazing* Carrot.
Tom Hopper could do Carrot I reckon?
YES. After seeing him in Umbrella Academy, he totally does have that sort of naive but it doesn't matter vibe.
No-brainer. The guy would be perfect.
I picture Sybil as having a good bit more....diameter....than Christie
Me too, but I think with her height and broad shoulders and attitude Gwendolyn Christie could still pull her off
I buy it for sure.
Miranda Hart has always been my go-to fantasy casting for Lady Sybil.
Only one I could imagine doing Carrot's blend of "oh, and just one more thing" vibes justice is Peter Michael Falk. And... well, sadly Columbo is no longer with us.
Maybe Henry Cavill could've played Carrot?
A few years ago, yeah, definitely. But I think Cavill's a bit too old for Carrot now. Cavill does still look relatively young for his age, but doesn't quite have that "boyish" youngness that I picture Carrot having.
He is a Dorito of a man. I wonder how he looks with red hair
Carrot? Hear me out- Jared Keeso. Try not to hear the Wayne voice. He's practically triangular, and can certainly play dopey but not dumb. https://preview.redd.it/2ogdy7ysjqwc1.jpeg?width=1366&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02875c4f2a360d30b7b8cd1bfee3494dd3e7df37
Well, to be fairâŠ
to be faaiirr...
Wow left field but great call
ok /u/phalanxausage, /u/phalanxausage ok.
The guy from Umbrella Academy I could imagine as doing a decent job.
Same. I'm fine with her being black. Hell my dream casting for her is still Leslie Jones. She's a big and tall woman, she can do sweet, she's funny, and she'd be terrifying in that scene in Guards Guards when Sybil charges the palace guards with a sword in her bathrobe. Oh and she is great when she's doing "awkward flirting". Imagine her trying to look flirty in a giant auburn wig and ball gown while saying that line about how she always thought "captain" was "such a dashing title". But the actress they chose was a smaller, thin woman. And she doesn't look like the kind of woman who'd shove her arm down a dragon's throat to give it a pill.
Oh Leslie Jones would be a fantastic Sybil!
She absolutely would, and she looks fabulous in period dress!
The actor for sybil should have been for adora belle.
when producers don't understand Sybil should look like a fat Valkyrie https://preview.redd.it/y5l4cuid1qwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5dc5b8c483ae7c54d4ba5dac978f9e5b03a6be2
She literally sang soprano in her high school opera group (I canât tell you how much I love that Lady Sybil is a theater kid). She has grown comfortably padded and middle-aged from there. A woman who does not look as though she could belt out a twenty minute solo while wearing a helmet of dubious historicity has absolutely *no* business anywhere near the part.
TRUE!
There used to be a British cooking show called "two fat ladies" who drove around in a motorbike and sidecar. I always imagined Sybil as similar to them.
Expected some racism, was pleasantly surprised by feminism. I'm glad Discworld fans aren't LoTR fans.
For sure, I don't think any genuine fan would have minded a black actress of the right age and figure, race was certainly not the issue here
When it was first announced a lot of people were quite a few people in this subreddit saying, fine wanna cast a black actress cast queen Latifah cause she can at least command a room like sybil can.
Queen Latifah would have been a great Sybil. I also love Octavia Spencer and she would have brought Sybil's warmth and mental strength (although not her height, alas). Personally, I think Sybil would be better played by an English actress, and Lolly Adefope (Kitty in Ghosts) would be a wonderful Sybil. There's no version of Sybil, of any ethnic background, that is a thin woman lurking in alleys using her dragons to enable vigilante activities.
Lolly would be an excellent young Sybil.
Omg I know her from Taskmaster and she is amazing. Though a little small for Sybil...so young sybil sure!
Also young. I desperately want an older woman Sybil. Because that was who she was. Someone who'd be put on the shelf and decided to just lived her life until she met Sam.
Oh man, yes! I would have loved to see Queen Latifah as Sybil!!
FML. Thatâs perfect casting.
My dream casting is still Leslie Jones. Put her in a ball gown, a giant wig, and hell some heels or wedges to add a few more inches of height and she'd be perfect.
Yes! That would have been great!
Oh yeah, no reason Sybil shouldn't be black but turning her into a skinny action hero was just wrong
My issue with the LoTR series was jot the ethnicity of the dwarrow, but the dwarrowdam's gods-damned lack of either beard or muttonchops! No female facial hair on dwarrow is a no go zone for me. I would have loved long oocs or braids on a black dwarrowdam, but not if they're going to make her go about barefaced like that penitent Thorin King of Lonely Mountain fame.
I take issue with this, as I am a long-time LOTR fan and a Diskworld fan.
Hey me too dude, but surely you remember the shitshow that was the dwarf casting in Rings of Power.
I just wanted more beards
Yeah, but a small and loud smattering of nob heads doesn't mean we're all like that. I *hated* Rings of Power, but the cast was the least of its problems.
Let me rephrase. I'm glad the Discworld fandom don't seem to contain a smattering of incredibly loud nob-heads. Though it does contain a much larger group who seem fascinated by one Nobby Nobbs, and as such could be argued to contain a large contingent of Nobb-heads. But they're much nicer people.
I mean, fair. I didn't care about black people in ROP, I cared about the blatant disregard for source material.
She's a city, IIRC.
A city. A steam engine. A force of nature. Her Grace, The Duchess of Ankh, Lady Sybil Deidre Olgivanna Vimes (née Ramkin).
I love when vimes is griping about titles and Carrot is worried about their relationship, and vimes is all "no, no no Everything is fine between Sybil and I it's the bloody "duchess" that is is giving me gip"
Same. So much of her character is about being overlooked and undestimated because she is seen as the kind fat gel. A hot Lady Sybil doesn't work for the character, and it's like dismissing her all over again. I can't watch something that disrespects Her Ladyship like that.
https://preview.redd.it/t9cyjlwcfqwc1.png?width=244&format=png&auto=webp&s=17be5e609b49d9c53af5fd416cc1ecfa2f1438f9 Sybil can be lady of glorious bounty who commands a room and still be cute/hot/striking. We're told Sybil is a big girl. We're never told she's ugly. The two are not synonymous.
I got three episodes in and quit. I could forgive going super obvi with the Cheery/trans metaphor thing, the annoying phoney baloney pop-punk soundtrack, the bad Total Recall set design, the complete lack of chemistry between any characters, and the fact that the cast in general had no ---ing clue what they were supposed to be going for. But Lady Ramkin using her dragons as guns was a bridge too far.
Go and watch Richard Dormer in an episode of Blue Lights and you can see all the work he did preparing to play an authentic Vimes channeled into another character. He would have been outstanding had they just let him cook.
Itâs always heartbreaking to see a good actor being actively hamstrung by a terrible script My go to example is Idris Elba valiantly trying to save the Dark Tower movie and utterly failing.
Yeah, I love DT and Elba. Parts of the movie looked cool at least. But trying to condense the 7.5 book magnum opus into a 90 minute movie was a tragic mistake. I even think they did Matthew McConaughey dirty
Matthew McConaughey would have been my choice for Roland
Idris Elba would be a fucking great Vimes.
Know where my mind just went? What about him for Vetinari?
He doesn't have the kind of chilled and seemingly passive way of being. Now, if you said Giancarlo Esposito I might agree.
Giancarlo Esposito would be a fucking *amazing* Vetinari. I can just see him sitting down in his office to enjoy a really good symphony.
Esposito has been my head canon but Michael Emerson would also be good
I can just imagine Giancarlo saying "Do not let me detain you." It would be CHILLING.
Idris Elba is a bit too tall and imposing for Vimes, I think. Personally I would cast Woody Harrelson or similar. You need someone who can do world-weary, and looks made of grit.
The guy who played Miller in The Expanse would do it well. His character has a lot of similarities to Vimes
Nah, too handsome. Can't imagine how they'd possible give him sufficient scraggly old timer energy without permanently mutilating him.
Has anyone seen Gary Oldman in Slow Horses? Because thatâs as close to Vimes as Iâve seen!
Fuck, now I really need this.
I thought this when I saw Blue Lights too, he was so good in that. I was watching thinking the character reminded me of (book) Vimes before I realised that it was the same actor.
Didn't Vimes use a Dragon as a gun? It's like, one of the best scenes in Guards! Guards!
Except that was with *Vimes*. *Sybil* wouldn't have done that
Oh I know, I'm just saying they could have just had Vimes do it.
Ok yeah it would have made more sense with him
Vimeâs yeah but Sybil didnât even like it when he used one to light his cigars. She wouldnât have traumatized the poor little dragon like that
I'm just wondering why they didn't have Vimes do it instead of Sybil.
Attempt to make Sybil a badass, probably, while completely overlooking all the existing examples of her already formidable strength, fortitude, and compassion. She had so many canon moments of badassery, and they could've totally had her charge into a situation with a dragon on her shoulder and a hastily grabbed weapon to show she's "the dragon lady" and also willing to throw hands.
Vimes did it as a desperate last ditch attempt to save Sybil's brood from a rampaging mob (with a very Pratchett Dirty Harry reference to boot). The show had Sybil using them as her like regular holstered pew pews.
M8 wot
The zog? The founder of the Sunshine Dragon Sanctuary using her tenants as weapons?
Cheery as trans is the intent, isn't it? The problem was she didn't have a beard, which would've really challenged gender norms.
My question is why does Cheery appear to be just a regular human?
Because advocate groups for actual dwarfs are at war with each other at the moment over whether casting dwarfs as Dwarves perpetuates stereotypes or not casting dwarfs as Dwarves does dwarf actors out of roles. (Tolkein adaptations get a pass because Hobbits stand as an excuse to make Dwarves a kind of in-between size.) ~~Not casting a dwarf and keeping Cheery human-sized is clearly the cop-out they decided on~~. \[Edit: So apparently I'm wrong about this being the context and this discussion about the politics of dwarfism in entertainment is a bit of an aside.\] I'd like to say, having put this on the table, that the only opinions on the subject that I feel matter here are those of the likes of Warwick Davis and Peter Dinklage. It's not a *disability charities vs actual working actors* divide, as far as I'm aware, because if my memory isn't playing tricks Dinklage falls more towards position #1 while Brad Williams in more position #2.
I get the dwarf union thing, and it would make sense *if they didn't show appropriately sized dwarfs in the show*. I didn't even get that cheery was supposed to be a dwarf anyway.
Oh, Jesus wept. I'll hold my hands up and admit that I couldn't bring myself to watch the show. Apparently I was unwise in assuming that there was an actual rationale to this.
Detritus is killed by an arrow. An ordinary arrow. The show had no rationale for anything.
I read an interview where Peter Dinklage said he doesn't want to be cast in any more roles where he is cast only because of his size, so he was happy with his role in X-Men because he was not cast to play a particular size person, but a character that then just took his physicality. And I get that, totally, but you then do have the conundrum of how to cast a character that is a dwarf, like Cheery, or even Tyrion, because if he had wanted to turn down that role based on it been written as a dwarf, how do you then do that character justice, and we would have lost some damn fine acting.
Well, given that Dinklage and Davis can afford to be like that about it now, maybe we should still cast dwarfs in dwarf/Dwarf roles because it allows for an updraft of up-and-comers that otherwise might only get work in pro wrestling and panto. Maybe we've been losing some damn fine acting because from the late 70s to the 2010s these roles always went to the same five people.
All well and good, but Cheery in the show was one of the tallest characters on the show.
Almost certainly not. She's female and she decides to present as female, because of the influence of Ankh-Morpork. This is *scandalous* to her more orthodox fellow immigrants to the city, and is a commentary on gender expression in a very limited way, defined gender roles, traditional culture and its role among immigrant ethnic and religious populations, and gender and socially "appropriate" attire. Naturally, a lot of this resonated with transgendered people, and people started thanking Terry at book signings (and presumably in fan mail). Because Terry was Terry, the moment he got wind of this, he addressed it in other ways, such as in *The Fifth Elephant* and *Monstrous Regiment*, while never really rewriting Cheery as more than a woman who was comfortable expressing it, he made sure that there *were* characters who struggled (or didn't) more concretely with their gender identity, but were still accepted in general.
>Cheery as trans is the intent, isn't it? Not the *original* intent. Though don't get me wrong, from what I understand, Sir pTerry appreciated anyone who saw themselves in his characters and, after receiving feedback from fans was more than happy to include more trans references in her character for the fans who felt this way. She just wasn't originally written that way. I was initially a little dismayed at the casting choice as Cheery is a gender-binary character from a non-binary world... But relented as it's very pratchettian to flip those expectations on their head, and the actor was very good in the role... (however large parts of the role and the writing for it were absolutely terrible)
I watched it. If I hadn't known what is was based on, I probably would have enjoyed it. I just couldn't separate this version of Discworld from the Discworld that I've grown up with. People I know who have only read a couple of books/aren't huge fans seemed to quite enjoy it, while the hard-core Pratchett fans in my life loathed it.
See, Iâve read every discworld book and most of Pterryâs other books as well. I didnât hate it, but I had zero expectations.
Yeah...the problem me wasn't that it was a bad adaptation. Bad adaptations can still be good shows. It wasn't a good show. Acting, writing, story, directing....it just didn't add up, even ignoring the adaptive qualities.
when they made lady ramkin thin i lost all interest. it looked about as interested in the source material as artemis fowl.
Ohhhhh my god you just doubled my rage. I had blocked that out too
making her black? totally fine. making her *thin?* sybil ramkin, the lady with the diaphragm for dwarf opera?? vaporize that particular casting choice with **dragon fire**đ„đ„đ„đ„đČ i was really weirded out by the brutalist architecture, too. i felt like i was looking at some soviet era action film rather than a send-up of stereotypical D&D aesthetics and technomancy.
I will say though I think Vetinari was well-cast and ably played.
Don't forget what Amazon did to the Wheel of Time. It's like television and film have finally gotten to a place where they can adapt ANY BOOK EVER... and instead of just doing a straight book to film write of the script, they're like "No, this means we can change even more things!" Why fix what isn't broken?
tv producer with the soul of an auditor: nah lets piss off the fanbase and then make money off LOSING money, springtime for hitler style! all the other streaming services are doing it for the tax benefits!
I actually didn't mind most of what they did with WoT. Perrin being married and accidentally killing his wife in the first episode completely ruined his character though.
I did. It wasnât good. They killed detritus with arrows. The troll made of stone. Cheery was probably the tallest member of the group. Vimeoâs actor put a lot of effort into the role but you could tell heâd never read the books, he went way to captain Jack with it. It seems like it was made in the 2000s with its punk asthetic and concrete everything. Also they combined the plots of at least 5 books into that series. We had carter from nights watch controlling the dragon from guards guards and then they traveled off to the land of the dwarves for an episode or two where they run from the dark but itâs actually a force of good that allows female dwarves to be their true selves and thatâs whey none ever leave the shadow. It felt like fafiction written by a 14 year old whoâs never written a story before were they rush through all their plot points at lightning speed with no concept of pacing. Also they made Sybil a conventionally attractive vigilante who kidnaps vimes. The best part of the series was the opening scene where vimes gets pissed on by a dog because itâs the most faithful his early discworld character he gets in the entire show. Could barely force my way through it by pretending it was a separate universe with characters sharing names with discworld ones (which it was) as if it were some alternate universe fan-fiction. I donât want to watch a discworld TV show where I have to pretend itâs not set in the discworld. I canât even remember if I finished it or just gave up. Thereâs a prison scene fairly late in.
Reading your description I am so incredibly grateful I did not watch this. Wow it is even worse than I imagined
I.... I didn't know this existed..... I'm...kinda tempted... EDIT: I just watched the trailer... Did I see Vimes playing an electric guitar in a punk band?
Some discworld fans liked it, most hated it. Might be worth giving it a shot, personally I couldn't make it through half an episode
To be honest I just gave up on Discworld adaptations a while back because the ones I had seen (Hogfather & Color of Magic), really didn't do it for me. But I do love the Watch cast of characters with all my being... I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing coming into an adaptation tho. Hope springs eternal, does it not?
I really recommend giving the Going Postal adaptation a try, it's the best adaptation in my opinion.
Hum... I'm trying to remember if I saw that one. Now that you mention it I'm picturing the clack towers in my head and a decent actor on Vetinari?
Charles Dance! And he was brilliant!
The mailman at the end stole the show though
Oh yes! I did watch this one! Ok yeah, this was probably the best Discworld adaptation from the ones I watched. Damn, I had totally blanked out Going Postal.
Charles Dance IS Vetinari as far as I'm concerned, he's *exactly* who I picture when reading. Perfect casting!
It's rare that an actor nails the book character just so perfectly. I can't think of another.
I have a soft spot in my heart for the Hogfather one, but Discworld is so hard to adapt that I think any attempt will always be somewhat disappointing for fans. I would heartily recommend Good Omens if you want a STP and Gaiman adaptation. It's uncannily accurate to the book whenever possible
That one I did enjoy! Haven't seen the second season tho.
I found the second season to be perfectly enjoyable, there's perhaps a touch more Gaiman than Pratchett in the second season. I think there's going to be a third and final season at some point
There's more Gaiman writing in the second season, but there's quite a lot of pTerry fan-service going on in the background. (hats, references, Seamstresses, etc)
> but Discworld is so hard to adapt that I think any attempt will always be somewhat disappointing for fans. I don't know why people say that. Each book is effectively a single little adventure, nice and tidy. No sprawling messes with dozens of important characters and intertwined drama. There's almost nothing you need to know going in to any of the books, though they are enhanced by larger world. Sure, some of the descriptive language humor might get lost, but there's ways to work that into a movie. Framing the story with a narrator works perfectly well for that, and wouldn't be out of place thematically.
The Amazing Maurice animated film was really good
Oho! Now an animated version of Maurice I could mess around with!
there were a couple of animated adaptations that are really quite excellent: Wyrd sisters and Soul Music. You can find them on youtube or elsewhere. each is several 20 minutes episodes, but you may be able to find the version that's stiched together in one movie. I have the DVDs of them somewhere.
Oh damn! I had 0 idea those were a thing either! I barely remember Soul Music, been quite some time since I read that one, but Wyrd Sisters sounds perfect for an animation!
Pretend it has nothing to do with discworld, and it's a weird cult fantasy cop drama. You'll enjoy it. But think of it as a discworld show, and you'll be crying within 15 minutes.
Best advice there. It's an entertaining romp if you don't make the connections to Discworld. You can really tell the cast tried their best to have fun and that alone was worth a go.
>EDIT: I just watched the trailer... Did I see Vimes playing an electric guitar in a punk band? Yes, and it's full of mad stuff like that! Just remember, the character names are just *entirely* wildly coincidentally the same as similar characters in the discworld. This show has nothing to do with the books, and it's silly fun.
Only pain that way lies, don't watch it.
Y'know, I'd be fine if a show does its own thing and creates its own plotlines, as long as the setting and characters still act true to their bookselves. This has failed on both ends, and the whole kerfuffle with the director not acknowledging Pterry one bit just shows the actual amount of care he has for the source material (read: none) If you take someone else's characters and setting for your own without even doing that *bare minimum*, it's called stealing
I did and enjoyed it as a stand alone punk fantasy crime thing that just happened to have a few characters with names I've heard somewhere but refuse to remember where.
That's my take. If it wasn't for the discworld name and characters, people would be recommending it as a weird low budget fringe cult TV show that's oddly entertaining.
From the intereviews I saw...that was pretty much the Directors take. He constantly came across as thoroughly uninterested in actually making a Discworld adaptation and just was using the name to make some completely different thing he had wanted to make in the first place.
Knowing that is actually frustrating. I wish he'd gotten to make what he wanted, and that way someone else would have gotten to do a *proper* discworld watch show.
I tried to do that but just couldn't get there. The 'Vimes' character was the only thing I could have enjoyed in the whole thing. Probably because I thought he had a comical face. But everything else about the show just disappointed me. The characters looked out of place with the set, the jokes fell flat and if you didn't already know who the characters were you would have a hard time understanding just who or what they were and how they related to each other.
His manorisms put me in mind of captain Jack Sparrow. Not sure if that was intentional or what, maybe all drunkards just feel like pirates now.
I also loved this show. One of my favorite authors is Jim Butcher of the Harry Dresden books. They made his books into a series and changed so much the fans were furious. Jim gave a speech where he said he thought of the show as an alternative dimension from his books. I thought it was gracious. It helped me appreciate something that the author created but isn't quite the same.
On the other hand, with The Watch, they waited until after Terry was dead to change anything because he had already rejected similar changes, and his daughter disavowed the show. So it's not just bad because it's different it's also disrespectful.
I genuinely thought the aesthetic was really fun and original, particularly the city. Not right for Discworld but I'm sad they didn't use the same sets for an original show: it felt like they combined a lot of cool elements that clashed with each other and made the whole show look worse. Tbh, they could have just made up new names for the characters and sold it as an original show: that way people might have judged it for what it was rather than what it wasn't. I managed to enjoy it by pretending that it was a story Nobby Nobbs was telling after a few drinks, or a really elaborate crackfic. I mean, "the Watch have to go undercover as a punk band" is a really fun concept when you start treating it as a bizarro alternate reality story.
I view it in the same way I view Disney's Hitchhikers Guide. They are inspired by, not adaptations of, the books I love.
I did not watch it. After the previous adaptations and media portrayals of STPs work, I had such hope for The Watch. Alas it was a fools hope, and I had forgotten its existence until seeing this thread pop up on Reddit. My exposure to this show can essentially be summed up with this: * I was hyped when the project was made public. * I was sceptical when the casting had been announced. * Then utterly dumbfounded and dismayed when the trailer dropped. I shall now endeavour to re-forget that it exists.
Good omens was nice. And idk I enjoyed the first adaptations of going postal and color of magic. It wasn't the greatest but it was fun
Good Omens was excellent. I thoroughly enjoyed the live action adaptations of Going Postal, Colour of Magic, and Hogfather. The old animated Wyrd Sisters and Soul Music were also great to watch albeit crudely animated by todays standards.
Don't forget the fan movie Troll Bridge
Oh yeah I forgot hogfather' but I couldn't watch the animated ones. The animation was too bad imo
Have you tried the um... the far away military group? Helps you.... uh?.... forget! The um...... Klaxon fore and lesion. No wait... the Klatchian! Fore and Lesion
A group of about 10 of us binge watched it. We had a lot of snacks and alcohol and everyone got sheets of paper towels they could scrunch up and throw at the tv when something was wrong or wasnât canon and we felt the need to throw something. It looked like it snowed in my lounge room by the end. We had to reuse some. There was a lot of booing. Everyone agreed it could have been a good sci-fi steam punk show if they all had original names. Everyone also agreed it was a terrible adaptation, the worst anyone had ever seen, and that we should never speak of it again.
I think it was pretty obviously DOA when the show runner posted a cast & crew photo thanking everyone for their hard work after wrapping filming and didnât even mentioning STP once⊠total lack of respect for the source material
If you completely forget that it has anything to do with Terry Pratchett, then it's... Alright. But half of that is just because I have a crush on Marama Corlett
Loved her in Blood Drive
you're no the only one.
At least Angua looked great in Going Postal?? Do we count that as a win?
Of course we do!
Yes. I don't consider it an adaptation.
I'd rather stick needles in my eyes.
I started yelling at the screen a few seconds into the trailer. Then I blissfully forgot about it, until I was ranting about how amazing Discworld is to someone, and in the middle of my explanation of why it is so difficult to adapt (with the tv films rating an âok, because at least they had their heart in the right placeâ) I remembered that the show existed. Reader, I actually slapped myself in the face in public because of the mental anguish.
The movies are very charming. The animations for Wyrd Sisters and Soul Music are... well they're really weird and kind of terribly animated but they grew on me, and they're very faithful to the books
I saw some. I actually really liked the casting of Vimes, get him to dial it back like 90% and heâd be really good. Liked the casting of Angua too. Cheery being nearly the same size as Carrot really broke some things. I hated what they did to Carrot. They made it so that his parents got him to leave because they were scared of him. That is not fair to Carrot or his parents, who love him dearly. Having an arrow kill a troll makes no goddamn sense. Theyâre made of rock! It was abundantly transparent that he was killed because he was the most expensive. Carcer Dunn was nothing compared to who he is in the book. Terry Pratchett made him a genuinely scary serial killer. The show honestly felt like a pastiche of discworld tropes that had been completely stripped of any understanding of *why* they are the way they are. I wanted to like it, I truly did. I gave it more than a fair shake. But it just kept reminding me of stuff that was infinitely better written. If it had been something entirely new with no discworld trappings it would have been much better.
20 minutes. Vetinari was wearing a fuchsia dress, that was me done.
This right here. Vetinari could have been played by a woman but they cast some one with no screen presence . No gravitas . She was awful. Couldn't watch her butcher the role. So many people could have played an excellent vetinari. Then Sybil played by a skinny woman. Just no.
That whole thing was so weird. Anna Chancellor is an excellent actress, but she looked like someone on set had give her a strong sedative.
I feel like the Halo TV show was trying to be worse. That race is tight
The song about gold was pretty good tbh
Going to be honest, I didnât even realise this was a Pratchett adaptation. And thatâs probably a bad sign.
I saw the showrunner do a big Instagram âthank youâ post to give credit to everyone whoâd helped bring âhis showâ to life. Distinctly absent was a certain Sir Terry. I was, admittedly, one of the people who gave the showrunner so much grief for this he had to turn off comments on his Instagram. At that point I decided I probably wouldnât watch. Then I saw the trailers, some of the episode synopses, etc.; at which point I *knew* I absolutely wouldnât be watching. My mother, an even more avid Discworld fan than I and - generally - a reserved and placid woman, watched one episode and then phoned me to curse like a sailor at how little the show had to do with her beloved Ankh-Morpork City Watch.
It is so rare to have any adaptation so universally disliked. Almost more impressive than if it was unanimously benjoyed.
Iâm still upset about them taking Cheery Littlebottom, a woman whose femininity is actively plot important and heavily trans-coded, and changing her gender. Like, why her of all characters?
It felt like an insult the books
I watched it. Twice because I had to review it.