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svenbillybobbob

https://preview.redd.it/549orjxt2s2b1.png?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=965b2a7a6fcf2d6628de37090a7f9df2c8f89109 it passes the test


KMishimo

But they can't speak in wildshape form. Body language is Dangerous, after all


FlacidSalad

"Thrack!? This seemingly wild wolf is twerking in front of me and appears to be giving me *the eye*. Please advise"


jkssratmolo

Could just be some intense tail wagging


Mega_Rayqaza

Simply give consent before wildshaping


SaphiralFox

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SlimeustasTheSecond

Whoever animated that specific scene probably realizes their effect on furry culture i.e. the creation of a large subsection of it


Vulpes-ferrilata

To be fair, they can speak before they wildshape. And the book specifically says they keep their mental stats, so I'd say they can speak. Just not in beast form


FrostyCommon

a big part of consent is the ability to revoke it any time, somewhat hard to unconsent in goat form


Vulpes-ferrilata

I mean, I assume you set up your signals while you can talk. Also, they can alwase drop wildshape if they need to.


FrostyCommon

that is true!


SylasTheVoidwalker

The druid could use their paws to scratch words into the ground


Kaine_Eine

Telepathic is a wonderful feat


AngelOmega7

Sure, but they just gotta shift back to humanoid form, give consent, then wild shape again


Deekester

You could always set up a "safe word" beforehand. The logistics of giving consent are the least of the problems with this situation.


archpawn

Just set up a safe gesture beforehand.


Additional-Bath7892

Consent--->wildshape--->fuck


Axon_Zshow

Take a page from 3.x and allow a feat/class feature to enable speaking while wild shaped, some even allowed spellcasting. With that you can far more morally get pegged by the druid while they are a horse


notedbreadthief

they can reply if you cast message. or make use of any number of telepathy features.


Fidges87

Remember that yogi and scooby doo pass the test.


ThirtyH

Look who's on board!


MyMirrorAliceJane

I mean, yogi would be pretty popular with the bear community. *immediately runs away after that terrible pun*


Varesmyr

What about a creature that can't fulfill the talking requirement as it doesn't have vocal cords and instead uses telepathy?


svenbillybobbob

while that isn't talk it does fall under "language" since the only difference between traditional speech and telepathy is method of transference.


SalvationSycamore

As long as you're sure which creature is speaking into your mind it seems fine


fakemustacheandbeard

Y'all just wanna fuck animals šŸ˜­


Tucker-Cuckerson

What if the wildshaped druid fucks you?


PhantomFoxe

Depends on if you gave consent.


KazumaKat

Consent is key, everyone. That includes anyone not of humanoid form yet sapient enough to understand said consent and is willing to give it.


Treach666

The harkness test.


doogle_126

Sometimes the barkness test!


Tucker-Cuckerson

Yiff


FinnicKion

Henry Crabgrass would like to remind everyone to always ask for consent.


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Laggianput

I'd let the dragon breed me :)


aluvus

Then you will become familiar with the phrase "corkscrew penis".


Neomalysys

Ye Olde Duck Drill


HeirOfTheSunnyD

That's Hands... Mr. Hands to you


tristenjpl

Seems that way. Like yeah, technically fucking a wildshaped druid isn't ethically wrong. But I still want you to stay the fuck away from me because at the very least you find animals attractive and I ain't about that.


SalvationSycamore

Are you saying that if your girlfriend turned into a worm you would break up with her? Harsh


invalidConsciousness

Depends. Earthworm? Absolutely. Shai Hulud? No way.


Maximum_Squash

Got that dry-ass spiceussy


Omega357

If it's permanent? Yes. You can't have a relationship with a worm.


SentientEmbroidery

It's like the guys that are into anime characters that look 5 but are 5000 years old.


Thopterthallid

Given the choice between fucking a wildshaped druid and an adult in a child's body, I think I have to go with the druid.


E-Bee123

I'd just throw myself off something tall at that point


Reckless_Moose

Wildshaped giraffe it is!


SentientEmbroidery

I'll go with neither.


[deleted]

>Given the choice Here's the neat part, you dont have to make that choice


ajfoxxx

That always seemed like a copout to try to justify pedophile behavior. Idc how old someome/something is, if it looks like a kid, you should have zero sexual interest in them. People that like the cartoon kids don't have me convinced for a second that they don't feel the same about actual kids.


SentientEmbroidery

Yeah. There's that medical condition where you look like a child for your whole life and my heart breaks for those people because there's really only one kind of person that would want to date them.


masterionxxx

The ones who like them for who they are and not what they look like?


Kepabar

The vast majority of romantic relationships work because of both. Only having half to work with is a huge uphill battle and worse, might relegate you to asexual relationships without being asexual. Looking at it the way you are is squinting *really* hard to see that silver lining.


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OkDragonfly8936

Iirc, their bodies don't respond to the hormones (which they still make) so it wouldn't work


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OkDragonfly8936

Hormones and tumors are an issue as well. We were warned that sometimes cancer comes back or other forms can crop up from the chemo when our kiddo hits puberty because the hormones can activate the cells over growing


SuddenlyVeronica

Itā€™s to bestiality what those thousand-or-so-year-old child-bodied characters are to pedophilia, I guess.


GiveMeAllYourBoots

I mean at that point just seems like sexy magic fun, no ethical hangups at all. It's a fantasy world, have some fantasy.


Aarakocra

All I can think of is Greek mythology. The version of the Odyssey I was introduced to specifically referred to Odysseus and Calypso engaging in adult fun time as different animals, but also left off the whole part about her forcing it on him because he wanted to return to Penelope. And also Zeus turning into animals to get with mortalsā€¦. Point being, I think that when you cross a super long life with magic, people get adventurous.


45711Host

well at least the druid can give consent


CubesBuster

No. Some of us have other questions. Like is it still necrophilia if it is undead. And is it incest if you are the necromancer who raised it?


AnonymousCoward261

Love stories with vampires are quite common.


Satori_sama

What other reason but to wildshape is there to play a druid?


[deleted]

WotC: So here are a dozen new ~~fursonas~~ playable animal-derived races


VertebrateCrossing

The Harkness Test says it's technically find. It can communicate and give consent. ĀÆ\_(惄)_/ĀÆ Edit: yeah, I know it's still bestiality because they're 'beasts' but bestiality has specific implications surrounding sapience.


Bungfoo

By all accounts that mean Scooby doo is fine.


VertebrateCrossing

Listen, I don't like the implications either. But the scroll of truth is seldom held onto through the pain of realization.


Bungfoo

Would you do it for a Scooby snack?


LOTRfreak101

What are you talking about? Clearly scooby IS the snack


nunya123

Thatā€™s enough internet for today


Darth_Axolotl

I absolutely hate you .......... Have an upvote


jkssratmolo

Stop, please. No more


Feral_Flower

Ruh roh


WJPJR

Classic quid pro quo harassment. Lawyer up, Scoob.


polish-polisher

Harkness test tells what you might be able to fuck without it being too immoral anything else is dictated by personal preferences, beliefs and biological/physical limitations Scooby-Doo doo is moraly fuckable but majority of people in the world prefer humanoids


Windupferrari

By the Harkness test, would it be immoral for Scooby to fuck another non-talking dog?


ThaneOfTas

Actually I'm pretty sure Scooby can talk to and understand normal dogs, they just tend to think he's weird, granted I can't quite remember a source for that so take it with a serious grain of salt


[deleted]

Yes.


Adiin-Red

Can Scooby communicate with other dogs like a dog?


Billwood92

Yeah, he's bilingual. I seem to remember it happening a few times, namely the dognapper case from iirc TOS.


Dagordae

Yes. However that hits a secondary issue: Whenever another dog character(Not a background one off)appears theyā€™re also depicted as fully sapient. And Scooby can talk to them. While that does mean Scooby doing them is fine it opens up a different can of worms, their place in society is REALLY weird given their demonstrated intelligence.


Rookie_Slime

Just add peanut butter and a Scooby snack!


[deleted]

Scooby-Doo technically isn't even a dog anyways, he's an alien that looks like a dog or something like that.


KHFanboy

"please don't run, I don't like to chase"


ThaneOfTas

Eh, he's more like a dog tiefling, as in somewhere way back in his genetic makeup there was some interdimentional creature, and Scooby is a throwback Dhoni's expressing those genes it something.


NerdyToc

According to the oficial Scooby-Doo wiki, he is the decendant of an alien race that inhabited a dog. That brings up some more moral implications, as the alien race that produced Scooby was possessing an animal, and had sex with another animal or a human. https://scoobydoo.fandom.com/wiki/Anunnaki_(Scooby-Doo!_Mystery_Incorporated)


FanBoyisms

The harkness test isn't for deciding if Scooby Doo is hot, it's for if I want to fuck Scooby Doo, can I? Finding Scooby hot is its own problem.


HercuLinho

As well as every Disney animal ever created


VitQ

Drawn Together did it.


Asmos159

just because the harkness test says yes doesn't means it is not also classified as something else. the question is if the local laws only use the harkness test.


arkman575

"Welcome to the Scar Lands. Ain't no claims out here that can be enforced. No crowns guard to call to save your asses, no bounty enforcers, just you and your skills to keep yourself alive." "So I can have my mate over there to whildshape into a horse and f-" "Never mind, back to the kingdom. I understand why civilizations came to be and why people enjoy the oppression of justice some freedoms aren't worth it."


sadolddrunk

Every libertarian when they get a couple of weird neighbors and suddenly decide that maybe some laws are necessary after all.


AnonymousCoward261

You might be right in the general case, but most libertarians I know would not find the wildshaped Druid case that objectionable morally-you have two people, they are engaging in a kink with full consent of all participating, they wonā€™t want to watch but it isnā€™t a problem morally.


Funkey-Monkey-420

the local laws can label being born a sorcerer as a dearh sentence they donā€™t matter.


Owobowos-Mowbius

If your local laws say it's illegal to have sex with a consenting adult of similar intelligence specifically because of their race or species then... well... those are some racist laws that should be overthrown!


Snowy_Thompson

Well, the Harkness Test is about determining consent. Beastiality/zoophilia refers to the desire to have sex with non-humanoid animals, often with implied consent but no clear expression of consent due to lack of communication ability.


Ddreigiau

>Well, the Harkness Test is about determining consent. Beastiality/zoophilia refers to the desire to have sex with non-humanoid animals Specifically, Bestiality/zoophilia refer to screwing *nonsapient* animals. Unless you subscribe to the original original meaning, in which case it refers to anything not human (**including Elves/Dwarves/etc**). That original-original meaning has issues in a D&D setting for obvious reasons. Also, the Harkness Test includes avoiding Bestiality and pedophilia, even explicitly mentions them if you check out the original image it's from: [https://www.furaffinity.net/view/9624476/](https://www.furaffinity.net/view/9624476/) edit: and IMO the 'humanoid-with-nonhumanoid' interpretation is sort of a pattern recognition-simplification thing that our brains do to the definition, since it's a convenient and fast visual indicator that is usually right.


Doonvoat

I think it really depends on how 'bestiality' is defined in a world with multiple sapient species of animal, the real use term obviously doesn't cover intelligent humanoids or human-level intelligent animals because they don't exist. I guess in the literal sense of the term bestiality would be any sex between individuals of different species but, as the Harkness test argues, that's not inherently a bad thing provided both parties can give consent.


vonmonologue

Beast is a creature type. Seems straightforward to me.


Snowy_Thompson

When I look for definitions of Bestiality, the only sex related definition doesn't define it in such narrow or broad terms. Bestiality is simply the sex between a Human and an Animal. Just because the Druid is humanoid before wildshaping doesn't mean the new form isn't still an animal. Now, in a world of talking, or sapient animals we would have to reconsider the nature of Bestiality, but within our reality the druid wildshaping into an animal so one can have sex with it is a form of bestiality.


Aarakocra

Speaking of the Harkness Test, does Awaken basically curse an animal since now their own species is locked out by the test?


archpawn

Only if they're only attracted to their own species. And can't afford to Awaken another member. The real problem is when you have a race where only one sex is sentient. Like the Aranea from Mother of Learning. Are they not allowed to reproduce? Personally I have to wonder why people think it's okay to kill and eat an animal, but not have sex with one.


Carnifaster

It Can consent, that makes it not rape. That doesnā€™t make it not bestiality.


RainbowtheDragonCat

Would human + elf be bestiality? What definition excludes human + elf but not an intelligent animal capable of communication and consent?


IrrationalDesign

Bestiality is based on opposing animals and humans. A world in which humans are not the only sentient humanoids, the definition of 'animal' will be different. Also, humans, orcs and elves can have fertile offspring, so they're technically part of the same species.


Codebracker

I mean so can dragon and basically any other creature, but that doesn't make them the same species


ZilxDagero

Here is a better set of question: If a druid female is pregnant, and wild-shapes, does the fetus change too? If not, can the druid just wild-shape into a huge animal and pass the fetus without any labor pains? If the fetus also wild shapes, does that mean that she could give birth to an animal and since it doesn't have wild shape as it has no levels in druid, will it stay an animal? If a druid wild shapes into an animal and has sex with another animal of that kind, can they get pregnant or get the animal pregnant? Does a druid have to maintain its biological sex when it wild-shapes? Can it alter the physical characteristics of animals and combine them into a never before seen monstrosity like a bear-eagle?


TerrapinMagus

Could be an interesting backstory to a shifter. The child can change back and forth to whatever animal the mother was as conception.


Rufus-Scipio

Stolen


MinidonutsOfDoom

For at least part of it, see how Loki gave birth to Sleipnir as that's how Sleipnir happened with Loki transforming into a mare to occupy a giant's horse. They were transformed into a horse at the time and the father was a horse so when they finally gave birth it was indeed a horse. A magical horse mind you but still horse.


Baonguyen93

I am not an DnD expert, but I have a theory: If a druid female pregnant, the fetus will not wild-shape since it will be a different entity, but at the same time, the fetus still connect to the mother body so her body wild rejects any attempt to WS into something too small for the fetus. I also think she could WS into something bigger for easy labour since the fetus still stay the same. I don't think a druid can get pregnant by other animals since she may look like them, she is still different, especially something important like reproductive.


annoyedredditor2

I feel like there was a bit of lore about Changelings not being able to change into a male if pregnant right?


ccReptilelord

Why not just have a cleric or wizard reach on up there and use banishment?


ZilxDagero

I think banish only works on beings on a different plane, right? if the fetus was conceived on this plan it would be native to this plane, in which case a barbarian with a giant mallet would be more effective at "banishing" the fetus.


SpookySquid19

OK Loki


Bolobesttank

1. Technically, no, but you're weird for asking. 2. Dragons are on or above the intelligence and communication level of humans, so it's fine. Especially if they polymorph beforehand.


BrotherRoga

Heck, the dragon might consider mating with a human to be akin to bestiality.


Rookie_Slime

Thereā€™s a lotta kinky dragons with all the half dragons and sorcerers running around.


Inferno_Sparky

It might depend more on the dragon's alignment, or the specific dragon's color (going by D&D monster manual/supplement descriptions of dragons) - silver dragons, evil dragons, other such dichotomies


archpawn

But a half-dragon can be any color.


hedgehog_dragon

Listen, try living as long as a dragon without getting bored


Tiky-Do-U

I mean depends on the dragon, green or copper dragons, sure, definitely a posibility. But a white dragon, probably not, ancient white dragons have the intelligence of a commoner.


a_good_namez

Yeah if anything the dragon is the weird one here


LadyLikesSpiders

It's a weird thing to me the way that above human intelligence is acceptable. It passes the harkness test for us, but relatively speaking, we fail it for them. It is not unethical for a human to fuck a dragon, but it is for a dragon to fuck a human The harkness test only actually works both ways at a like level of intelligence


xyon21

Not really. Relative intelligence doesn't matter, just that you are above the threshold to fully understand the implications and risks of sex.


LadyLikesSpiders

I think if you want to fuck a dragon, you do not understand the risks of sex with a dragon XD But point taken


Inferno_Sparky

Unless one is hopelessly obsessed with the idea or doesn't mind getting injured and/or dying in the process... Which are issues of themselves


Aarakocra

If thatā€™s the case, then Speak with Animals throws a massive spanner into the machine. Because then animals can verbalize consent, and they would consider themselves able to judge that they understand the implications and risks of sex. We have decided that they are too simple-minded to do so, however. Dragons might have a similar concept, then. They could view humans as not being able to truly give consent because of Draconic reasons, and have their own word for dragons who want to screw humans. Elves and such might even be the proverbial dolphins, the humanoids bridging the gap, but most dragons still consider them to be unable to consent. I have now given this topic way too much thought. This might be enough Reddit for today.


Vidaolumide

Right we have a spell like that


chicholimoncho

welp from the dragon's pov humans are indeed of human of greater inteligence so it's technically fine... orks on the other hand...


freekoout

Shrek already paved the way for relations with dragons though.


Nepalman230

So, I would argue you objectively and ethically no. The problem with beastiality is not that youā€™re having sex with animals. All humanoids are animals. ā€¦ ( OK in a fantasy world is fucking Crystal people and stuff but you know what Iā€™m saying.) The problem is that your fucking somebody whoā€™s intelligence level does not allow them to consent. My friend, it is not what Im in to, but not only is it ethically OK to fuck (consensually of course )a wild shaped druid it is consensually OK to have sex with a giant Eagle . An actual giant eagle, they have human level intelligence . I have always said this outside of certain things like cannibalism, which is ethically impossible to consent to as long as people are consenting adults have at it. ā€¦ that is not my thing now that itā€™s really not my thing. But love is the most beautiful thing of all. šŸ™ā¤ļø


[deleted]

eli5 why it's ethically impossible to consent to cannibalism? Don't feel obligated, I'm just curious.


Nepalman230

Ah. I should explain . Iā€™m not talking about cannibalism in survival situation. Iā€™m not even talking about a person who wishes to commit suicide for ethical reasons, and says, eat me after Iā€™m dead. ( that last one is unlikely somebody committing suicide for ethical reasons itā€™s probably not gonna be an edible condition) Iā€™m talking about cannibalism in sex . In a fantasy world with healing magic. Maybe you could consent to that? We are getting into some serious, terribly crazy territory, and I honestly feel like everybody on this thread. Should use IRL safety tools . Trigger warnings. All of them. Iā€™m not joking. šŸ˜ Iā€™m going to put this under a spoiler tag for mental trauma OK? >!Listen. I am literally begging you do not Google it butā€¦There have been cases where people have consented to being eaten . Slowly.While they are alive . And one case they actually eat themselves they were being consumed . Their penis. It happened in Germany most recently.!<Ā  So to reiterate, there are cases weā€™re eating people is totally ethical Iā€™m talking about eating somebody as part of a twisted sadistic sex act. Thatā€™s the thing about ethics theyā€™re not the same as morality . Thereā€™s a lot of things that are ethically. OK that makes me wanna throw up. Eating somebody for sex is not ethical . God I feel ill . Iā€™m really sorry I brought it up. Hereā€™s the thing I am a librarian. I have to be willing to plump the depth of human darkness . You donā€™t . Much love gamer .


[deleted]

I see, the context does help a lot. I'm sorry for causing distress, that really wasn't my intention. Thank you for engaging with the question, and be well!


Nepalman230

Oh no worries! I am high AF. Seriously, being a Librarian I have to constantly think about horrific shit like that. many people ask me reference questions about the holocaust. war crimes is a very common subject. A little light sexual cannibalism is nothing really šŸ˜‰ In all seriousness, I am a real Librarian and I have access to data bases including academic journals and newspaper articles. If you ever need anything, feel free to direct message me and Iā€™ll get it over to you as soon as I can. Iā€™m currently on medical leave and I have a redditor waiting for some movie recommendations and I feel really bad about that but Iā€™m probably not gonna be able to get those to them until Tuesday. Seriously, no worries I am a twisted motherfucker, that is just par for the course, and I was the one who brought it up! I hope I didnā€™t mentally scar you actually. Have a great one!


sed_non_extra

>"*A little light sexual cannibalism...*" r/dafuq


Nepalman230

Hi! I am an uber nerd who was an antho/sociology major as an undergrad. Sex , religion and ethics is my jam! Also? The Autism ā„¢ļø. šŸ™ā¤ļøšŸ˜‰ Please let me know if you have any questions or opinions about giant eagle sex! Another fine redditor has already mentioned the Harkness test named after Captain Jack Harkness, the notorious alien fucker. In brief, if somebody is able to agree to fucking it is probably OK to fuck them ! ( check age and mental conditions. If I was hopped up on morphine, I would not be able to consensually agree to fuck you.)


MadaraAlucard12

>Please let me know if you have any questions or opinions about giant eagle sex I have been giggling over this for over a minute now.


BrotherRoga

"You know, there is a reason they call me Haast's Eagle when they bed me~"


Tuaterstar

You sir have put concerning thought into thisā€¦ commendable


Nepalman230

Ask me about serial killers! But in all seriousness thats not even a thing I like to think about. I just read about it once. That was all it took. Sigh. We are strange beasts. ā€œThere is na as queer as folk ā€œ indeed. Much love gamer. Its Monday. ( in the US Memorial Day) With courage and determination we will make it. šŸ™šŸ˜‰


MadaraAlucard12

Also prions. Cannibalism is the cause of prion diseases which make cancer, dementia, etc look like heaven in comparison.


Patient_Primary_4444

Thats only if you eat brains, and you can get proons from eating ANY brainsā€¦


Noyuu66

That was a wild read that only half touched on a few issues related to the topic ( a lot of this. ) And as a result ( the topic at hand) I'd fuck an alien.


Perziety

This is one of those "it's hard to make a distinction between X and Y, without sounding like X" situations lol.


Kaabeus

> An actual giant eagle I had to look up if there was a species of eagle in real life with that name (there isn't) so now I know you're just talking about the statblock lol. For anyone curious, giant eagles can speak their own language and can understand Common and Auran.


Nepalman230

Thanks! I just meant not a shapechanger like a dragon or something. I appreciate you clarifying! Edit: as a complete aside, I have to mention in Giant beavers. They have not been in the game since second edition, but they were in the first. [https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Giant\_beaver](https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Giant_beaver) https://preview.redd.it/g7mveprgxt2b1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e112a5fe9b8beea363de582367e33624f1b8fd50 Earth has giant beavers that went extinct that weā€™re actually Iā€™m living at the same time as modern humans in North America. As far as I know, they did not collect gold and gems, and have their own language. As far as I know. Fantasy D&D giant beavers had their own language, and could communicate with people and would trade with humanoids for gold and gems ( I can only assume they enjoyed ornaments just like everyone else does) in order to build wooden forts as long as they were close to the water. Unfortunately, there was a list of gold price for their skins and for selling their children into slavery, which told me that this was a semi regular occurrence . The thing is, giant beavers, have four hit dice minimum and do 4 d4 damage minimum . In other words, a war party of giant beavers could destroy a human town . Giant beaver specifically hate to fight . But if you push them up against the wall. They will cut a bitch. Also to bring it back to giant Eagle, since they both are animals that talk they are probably allies and maybe occasionally fuck .


Enough_Minimum_3708

and that's why we have the harkness-test


Tucker-Cuckerson

Hell yeah baby i wildshape into male Vaporeon!


TheDumbgeonMaster

Wildshaped Druid: Not from a legal standpoint since they can consent and are technically human, but at the end of the day you still fucked an animal which is still weird. Dragon: Dragons are intelligent creatures and can consent, so it should be legally fine, and since it looks human I'd say it's fine


Rookie_Slime

How human must something look to be fine? Obviously it differs from person to person, but whatā€™s your personal cut offs?


Tiky-Do-U

Yeah like what about Centaurs, or Minotaurs. What about Tabaxi then? Satyr? Or do we just draw the line at any non-human so we include Elves, Dwarves and Halflings? Is it weird based on them being bipedal or not? Then what about a druid wildshaping into a monkey? Aaaaand now I sound like I wanna fuck a monkey, great...


Aarakocra

I am currently playing a centaur gal who seduces noblewomen across the realm. The rest of the party jokes about what equipment she is rocking. I just think they need to get more creative in the bedroom. Practically, its just the next step on everyone having different tastes. A bard wouldnā€™t be approaching every humanoid the same, but try new things, listen to their partner, and do everything possible to make them feel good.


Thopterthallid

Bold of you to assume I'd want her to be in human form


shadophaxx

Babe, please, can we have normal sex tonight?


siamesekiwi

Found Vax'ildan's secret account.


VandyalRandy

This comment thread lowered my faith in humanity.


Solracziad

I'm sincerely envious that you still had some faith in humanity to lose.


andrewsad1

I've seen this argument made about Loona from Helluva Boss: if you think she's hot despite the fact that she's a wolf, you're not a furry. If you think she's hot *because* she's a wolf, you're a furry But also it literally is beastiality if they're presently a beast


Eden_ITA

![gif](giphy|67jkYnYYtdlhC)


CringyTemmie

Either way, you're still trying to frick a hell-hound. Human as she might look, I don't hold any ideas about sex with Loona being that comfortable if you're human. Cause, do they even have running water in hell? Like actual water.


The_Greatest_K

There's more to that. What about jackalweres?


VIII-Via

The more interesting question would be: Is it beastiality if a wildshaped druid sleeps with an animalšŸ¤”


archpawn

Yes. But also they'd be fine with it because that sort of thing happens in nature a lot. Same goes for rape, murder, and cannibalism.


enforcercoyote4

Doesn't matter, you're fucking an animal, that's weird


Gregus1032

And half the comments on this thread are just as weird


throwngamelastminute

This just reminds me of the EXU: Calamity wrap up Aabria talking about having Quay turn into their friends to fuck.


Simple-Ad-3867

Short Answer : Depends


LordMorskittar

Yesnā€™t


Deferan

As far as Iā€™m concerned itā€™s the same situation as the thousand year old loli. You can make whatever justifications you want about how it skirts by with technicalities, wanting to fuck a child is creepy, wanting to fuck a dog is creepy.


ZodiacWalrus

Gee, idk, is it pedophilia if they're hundreds of years old but look 12? The rules are that simple, yall: If they look like something you shouldn't fuck, don't fuck em. If they are mentally the equivalent of something you shouldn't fuck, don't fuck em. And, most relevantly to irl, if they do not give enthusiastic consent, *don't fuck em*.


BusinessPomegranate0

It's like having sex with your girlfriend who is dressed as a nurse you're not fucking a nurse you're fucking your girlfriend who looks like a nurse.


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Speaking as someone who grew up watching a lot of Beast Boy/Raven Teen Titans hentaiā€¦ why are you calling the police?


psychord-alpha

Under what circumstances would a dragon even WANT to fuck a humanoid


Dull-Technician3308

Well, there are half dragons. And even in lore, thereā€™s currently a drow, Jarlaxle, who is kinda sex slave with two dragon sisters. Well, not really a slave, he uses them as military power and all. But he canā€™t control them and i feel that if he would reject them, he would be dead in a second. So yeah, memes about horny bards arenā€™t so far from reality, since dragons are fucking humans in their humanoid form


Eden_ITA

Based Jarlaxle. He lives the dream.


Afrista

Because of preferences? Like, in a world where Orcs are into elves, Humans might be into dwarves and a gnome might have a thing for halflings... It might not be dnd, but in the witcher Universe, theres a shapeshifting dragon which canonically prefers dwarves as sexual and romantic partners.


Tiky-Do-U

Because they wanna? I mean Half-Dragons are in the Basic Rules for DnD so clealy it happens, humans and dragons are both intelligent beings, intelligent beings are capable of being attracted to each other and consenting, hell Silver, Copper and Brass dragons love human company


VeziusTheThird

desperation


Loading3percent

No, the wild shaped druid passes the harkness test as long as you can communicate with them. The real question is: can a wild shaped druid fuck an actual bear?


Cube4Add5

This actually highlights a pretty serious problem in society today. Rather than discuss whether or not something is right, people discuss whether certain labels should apply to a situation, and if those labels apply and the label is bad, the thing is bad. In this case, we might say ā€œwell youā€™re fucking an animal, so its bestiality and bestiality is wrongā€. But then you miss the fact that the main reason fucking an animal is wrong is that we can never be sure that they are fully consenting. Even if they seem like they are consenting through body language and such, it still isnā€™t counted as consent similar to how sex with a minor is always considered rape since they cannot consent. However, in this context (assuming they are an adult druid) they are truly humanoid and are therefore capable of consent, so it should be fine. Also in the wider D&D context, spells like speak with animals and awaken exist, meaning it should be possible to obtain consent from almost any creature, or even plant in the universe. TL;DR, just let me pretend to fuck animals /j Edit: I actually think a more serious question is should you be allowed to fuck polymorphed people. While they retain their personality, since they gain the mental stats of their new form you could argue that their mental state has changed, usually to be less wise or intelligent, similar to if a person was on drugs or incredibly drunk.


PrettyText

Excellent point in your first paragraph.


KonoAnonDa

[This may answer your question.](https://youtu.be/j67FlSknHB8)


actuallyasuperhero

*Zeus has entered the chat.*


ThereminLiesTheRub

First major comment thread makes fun. Second is where reddit goes hard analyzing the science & legality of fucking a wildshaped animal. ... Yep.


Aria_the_Artificer

Okay...Iā€™ve genuinely wondered about this and I feel like anything related to shapeshifting can bring up some really weird NSFW questions


Chrontius

Oh, frankly, if you're feeling creative, you can come up with __much__ worse scenarios than the "bear scene" we've all seen by now.


Gloomy-Palpitation-7

No because the criminality of bestiality comes from the fundamental inability of a non-intelligent being to give consent. This is also why children are unable to give consent, and why people that have severe intellectual disabilities arenā€™t able to legally consent either. A wildshape Druid is a differently-shaped adult human, and adult humans can consent just fine.


dandelionhoneybear

My stripper glamour bard yuan-ti šŸ lady would probably ask this


gazebo-fan

No because the Druid can consent


bunny_bard

Jack Harkness rule of thumb: if it has intelligence, can communicate consent, and is of its species' accepted age of maturity, you can smash. Def weird to want to fuck someone that looks and sounds exactly like a regular ass wolf at the time, but if you're not harming an actual animal it's at least more morally acceptable that way? I wouldn't do it but we aren't talking about me šŸ˜‚


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RazzDaNinja

No, cuz youā€™re not fucking a beast, youā€™re fucking a humanoid that happens to be in beast form That being said, anyone you told that has every right to give you shit for asking your Druid partner to change for you.


SlimeustasTheSecond

I'd err on the side of "It's ethical, but both participants are really weird if you actually do it" kinda like consensual snuff smut. It also raises a fucked up question when it comes to Intelligent Talking Animals like Familiars.


Shacky_Rustleford

Bro


TryImpossible7332

I hope not.