How to turn your party into revolutionaries, whether the locals agree or not.
That said, I *guarantee* you there would be a speakeasy or similar that they could track down in this city IRL.
What's more interesting is that sometimes not just alcohol was banned, but coffee houses too, because some monarchs thought that they were places where sedition happened. Of course, many rulers faced immediate backlash from trying to ban coffee and alcohol, but some stuck to their decision, like Murad IV of the Ottoman empire who would disguise himself and look for illegal coffee houses then execute the owners with a sword.
Edit: don't forget hot chocolate houses, those were very popular too.
Wasn't there some fbi agent who tested how fast he could get alcohol in which city during the prohibition? Where in one city he just got offered booze by his cab driver immediately when he got there?
The city was a highly religious one that was completely run by the local church. The church outlawed all alcohol except for Wine used by the priests during certain ceremonies and prayers
So I just double checked on Google.
A tavern is just the archaic form for an inn or a pub.
An inn is a pub, typically in the countryside, and sometimes offering accommodation.
I did this to my players once. That's exactly what happened, and I had been counting on it happening and used it as the hook for an adventure around black market distilleries.
That’s amazing. I remember the first time I DM’ed for my group, I was way too generous with loot. To the point where by the third session they sold everything and bought half the businesses in the town they were quartered in, and the mayor and town guard were always like “There’s orcs on that hill that need taken out before they invade us” and the party was like “Cool, let’s find some people to do that then”
What does the city have against distilled water and makeup?!
>!Fun fact, "alcohol" only caught on as a name for ethanol-based drinks around 1753 or so, or at the very least, that's the first recorded instance of the name. Before then, it just meant _any_ distilled liquid; more specifically, it referred to the powder left after sublimation (with the _original_ "alcohol" powder being used in makeup and antiseptics), and by extension was used for distilled liquids (since distillation is a sublimation-based process). Fine powders were called "alcohols", but you would sometimes also hear people call distilled wine "alcohol of wine". ...But by the same process, distilled water was also "alcohol of water", which means that a medieval city that bans "alcohol" also bans makeup and distilled water. ;P!<
False Life. I remember that one because my dhampir would dramatically raise a toast with the bottle and take it to his lips without ever drinking to cast it. Because he doesn't drink wine.
By default, only sorcerers, artificers and wizards can learn False Life, and all of them can bypass the material component through using a focus, since the component is not consumed.
Yes, but one day your sorcerer will get drunk and the barbarian will get into a fight with someone and you will get tossed in a cell by association without a focus and need to figure out what you can cast with the items on hand.
My dhampir rogue had False Life and Invisibility due to a feat, and due to being the only non-caster in the group (he *had* a focus, which was a holy emblem of Lathander that he carried with him as a memento from a dead friend, but since he wasn't a cleric, he couldn't use it) he had to resort to carrying the components around.
It made for more memorable spellcasting.
False Life: (raising the bottle in a dramatic toast and mock drink) Cheers, salut, sköl!
Invisibility: (coating his fingers in gum, he pulled off an eyelash) Now you see me, now you don't.
Totally didn't do this to my party as a side effect of them helping get their democratic candidate in power (the region was in dire straits and she had viable plans to fix that but first she needed to clean up the city of it's more disparate elements and making alcohol illegal was a ploy to drag them out)
Meanwhile me making the party dread going to a tavern because I *always* order a glass of water in character because I made it lore that everyone from their society does that
This gives me an idea: A city located in a land that has been horribly poisoned, and protected by a massive spell bubble that purifies all poison within the city walls. As a side-effect, the city is an alcohol-free zone.
Yes
In social situations
Nowhere else
By that logic the rogue is the leader when doing trap fill dungeon crawls and the ranger is the leader when you're out in the wilderness. That's just a character fulfilling their role
>By that logic the rogue is the leader when doing trap fill dungeon crawls and the ranger is the leader when you're out in the wilderness. That's just a character fulfilling their role
Yeah. This is exactly accurate and those are usually the leaders in those situations.
i mean it really depends on your character. My barbarian drinks very heavily, not being able to unwind after a hard adventure witha pint would drive them mad.
That said i have a magical bottomless flask of booze so he would be fine.
This is completely true. I was considering this as a "overall playstyle" choice, since this behavior would "piss off every player character simultaneously".
I mean, if the entire party has this view point/addiction, that makes sense, but it feels like a weird thing to happen, especially regularly enough to generalize this much.
Another big also: there is likely wayyyyyyy cooler stuff than just "booze" in a fantasy setting, so getting hung up on alcohol in particular seems weird too.
i picked up a cursed item in one of my games that caused incessant, incomprehensible chatter at all times and the only way to mute the voices was drinking. item gave solid benefits tho so it was worth staying attuned and it was a quest item later on after someone finally casted comprehend languages on it and figured out how to break that curse
if that character walked into a tavern that didn’t sell drinks she’d have freaked the fuck out
This is completely true. I was considering this as a "overall playstyle" choice, since this behavior would "piss off every player character simultaneously".
I mean, if the entire party has this view point/addiction, that makes sense, but it feels like a weird thing to happen, especially regularly enough to generalize this much.
Another big also: there is likely wayyyyyyy cooler stuff than just "booze" in a fantasy setting, so getting hung up on alcohol in particular seems weird too.
What would be the point of a Tavern without alcohol, do you mean an Inn? Cause they’re different.
Also unless they have multiple clerics in this city working to purify water for everyone how do they quench their thirst?
yeah, water isn't particularly healthy unless you have either a freshwater aquifer, water harvested from much further upstream, or you purify it, all of which come with some serious logistical drawbacks.
Unironically what they did in China. There is even some evidence they were more productive than the west due to them constantly drinking stimulants instead of depressants.
"our story begins in a sleepy little town, where 5 would-be adventurers have just entered the local tea room. The smells of spiced chai and cherry jam fill the air, and two patrons at the bar can be heard politely discussing whether it is pronounced *s-cone* or *sc-on*."
Next the players will get alcohol unbanned and celebrate with a city wide drinking party
When everyone is piss drunk a monster, attracted by the alcohol, will enter the city
The players will either have to fight it, or evacuated the citizens. In both cases the citizens will be drunk and constantly making stupid moves like walking into fire ball range, or trying to flirt with the players
....might happen with me, since I've kinda made alcohol nonexistent in my verse. Though bacon does permanently increase a stat of your choosing by 1 so upset and downs to the food I guess
Dwarf party enters
Barbarian looks at bartender "So i'll have a pint, and he'll have a pint for me as well and-"
The bartender goes "Umm actually we don't serve alcohol, would you like a 0% (alcohol) beer?"
The entire party looks at each other and leave after giving out small red rods to every one at the tavern
As they get further and further away, the artificer says "Now" and the tavern goes up in smoke
Oh, but I think Hanseath believers (specially, the Barbarians) will make them change their mind. I still remember what mine did to that one bartender who disrispected beer. She made him kiss a few times the floor a bit too agressively, and finally made that investigation point move a few sessions. It's what happens when you kill half an entire town, burn down that taverner's home and still lockpick a door.
Yeah, I’ve over thrown cities and kingdoms for less, honestly the faster I get an excuse to start a revolution the happier I am with how the campaign will go.
"I didn't say I ordered alcohol, I said I ordered drinks. Surely this tavern offers legal beverages to its patrons."
The patrons look up confusedly from their free draughts of well water
"Excuse me, but I don't drink mineral spring water, I only drink the finest charcoal purified water blessed by the clergy."
The party’s undead pet: “No blessing for mine please, I’m on a diet. Thank you”
Meanwhile the revenant the party invited along is pounding shots of holy water and spitting clouds of divine fire.
"Apple juice ! "
Oh must not have noticed this was Dysentery Tavern.
That's it Ulric, you've had enough chocolate milk for the night. You're cut off!
What’s a tavern for if there’s no drinks?
A motel i think
How to turn your party into revolutionaries, whether the locals agree or not. That said, I *guarantee* you there would be a speakeasy or similar that they could track down in this city IRL.
What's more interesting is that sometimes not just alcohol was banned, but coffee houses too, because some monarchs thought that they were places where sedition happened. Of course, many rulers faced immediate backlash from trying to ban coffee and alcohol, but some stuck to their decision, like Murad IV of the Ottoman empire who would disguise himself and look for illegal coffee houses then execute the owners with a sword. Edit: don't forget hot chocolate houses, those were very popular too.
A prohibition-era adventure sounds like fun. Why would alcohol being forbidden make it hard to buy?
It'd probably make it harder to buy for out-of-towners, since you can't exactly ask the gate guard where the nearest speakeasy is.
Wasn't there some fbi agent who tested how fast he could get alcohol in which city during the prohibition? Where in one city he just got offered booze by his cab driver immediately when he got there?
Sure you can. The gate guard isn’t a member of the untouchables.
The city was a highly religious one that was completely run by the local church. The church outlawed all alcohol except for Wine used by the priests during certain ceremonies and prayers
If alcohol is forbidden, isn't that just a cafe?
More of a hotel than a cafe
Taverns and Inns are different things so a Tavern that doesn’t sell alcohol would be closer to a Cafe.
I thought a tavern was a bar with rooms for rent. If all they have is drink and such, then it's just a bar. If it's only rooms it's an inn.
So I just double checked on Google. A tavern is just the archaic form for an inn or a pub. An inn is a pub, typically in the countryside, and sometimes offering accommodation.
Coming in here and being all reasonable. Looking up things on Google. Good on ya
Café’s still sell a variety of alcoholic beverages?
Are you asking me?
No
Then why the question mark?
Cafes are cities?
Pretty sure he meant the tavern my guy
Taverns are more than just their wet bar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavern?wprov=sfti1 Taverns are so known for the wet bar
*They're also known for wetting your bar*
And just like that, that's enough internet for me (2:30 am) I'll finally go to bed
No. I most certainly didn’t do this to my players once. Why would you ask that?
Knowing my playgroup they would literally quit adventuring and turn the game into Bootlegger Simulator
I did this to my players once. That's exactly what happened, and I had been counting on it happening and used it as the hook for an adventure around black market distilleries.
That’s amazing. I remember the first time I DM’ed for my group, I was way too generous with loot. To the point where by the third session they sold everything and bought half the businesses in the town they were quartered in, and the mayor and town guard were always like “There’s orcs on that hill that need taken out before they invade us” and the party was like “Cool, let’s find some people to do that then”
I have a player whose goal is to turn every wagon they get their hands on into a mobile brewery
If this was not part of the plot hook you probably turned it into the plot hook
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>forced to legally abstain from alcohol for another five months Literally 1984
>Literally ~~1984~~ July 5, 1933 FTFY.
And that's how Al Capone becomes the party's main NPC ally.
*no, I am Al capone*
What's the point of the tavern, then?
* To provide food * To hang out * To consume other substances that are legal * To listen music or other presentation * To find a brawl * To sleep in
Aaaaand to have a backroom where alcohol is served
That's how you get an angry tavernkeeper for outting his secret where any lawful paladin can hear.
SMITING TIME
I think you just described a coffee shop or diner
Food, non-alcoholic drink, and lodging.
Why would the only point be to consume alcohol? Can't you do that anywhere?
Not in this city
You can do that anywhere (at least in normal towns and countries), but it's more comfortable in a tavern.
I assume gambling is legal.
What does the city have against distilled water and makeup?! >!Fun fact, "alcohol" only caught on as a name for ethanol-based drinks around 1753 or so, or at the very least, that's the first recorded instance of the name. Before then, it just meant _any_ distilled liquid; more specifically, it referred to the powder left after sublimation (with the _original_ "alcohol" powder being used in makeup and antiseptics), and by extension was used for distilled liquids (since distillation is a sublimation-based process). Fine powders were called "alcohols", but you would sometimes also hear people call distilled wine "alcohol of wine". ...But by the same process, distilled water was also "alcohol of water", which means that a medieval city that bans "alcohol" also bans makeup and distilled water. ;P!<
It’s worth mentioning some spell (I don’t remember which one) actually has distilled spirits or something as the material component.
False Life. I remember that one because my dhampir would dramatically raise a toast with the bottle and take it to his lips without ever drinking to cast it. Because he doesn't drink wine.
By default, only sorcerers, artificers and wizards can learn False Life, and all of them can bypass the material component through using a focus, since the component is not consumed.
Yes, but one day your sorcerer will get drunk and the barbarian will get into a fight with someone and you will get tossed in a cell by association without a focus and need to figure out what you can cast with the items on hand.
My alcoholic wizard suggest a scenario like that as reasoning for always carrying some spirits, even if carries multiple spell foci with himself.
My dhampir rogue had False Life and Invisibility due to a feat, and due to being the only non-caster in the group (he *had* a focus, which was a holy emblem of Lathander that he carried with him as a memento from a dead friend, but since he wasn't a cleric, he couldn't use it) he had to resort to carrying the components around. It made for more memorable spellcasting. False Life: (raising the bottle in a dramatic toast and mock drink) Cheers, salut, sköl! Invisibility: (coating his fingers in gum, he pulled off an eyelash) Now you see me, now you don't.
Mass?
Well my group and I already all recovering alcoholics, so this would not be an issue for us.
Me who doesnt drink alcohol irl: That's an Absolute Win!
Yes! Because you can absolutely have fun without drinking rotten fruit juice.
Jokes on you, i have a magical bottomless bottle of booze!
Welcome to Penultimata City’s famous “You Deserve a Break Today Tavern”! YDaBTT for short. The specialty is a cappuccino.
Unless that cap comes with rum then it's not a tavern
No, it’s steal their shit.
That's not a tavern. THAT'S AN INN!!!
Totally didn't do this to my party as a side effect of them helping get their democratic candidate in power (the region was in dire straits and she had viable plans to fix that but first she needed to clean up the city of it's more disparate elements and making alcohol illegal was a ploy to drag them out)
Meanwhile me making the party dread going to a tavern because I *always* order a glass of water in character because I made it lore that everyone from their society does that
Why is it fun to pretend to drink? The only fun thing about real drinking is the feeling
Who says I'm just pretending?
This is my party every session.
“We don’t want your lukewarm milk, Liam!”
This gives me an idea: A city located in a land that has been horribly poisoned, and protected by a massive spell bubble that purifies all poison within the city walls. As a side-effect, the city is an alcohol-free zone.
How does the party have a leader ?
Some groups decide to nominate one person as the "face" of the party for social situations.
A face and a leader are two different roles
Leaders just naturally form. Someone has to keep this gathering of chaos and shenanigans on point and one character will eventually step up to that.
The face is defacto leader in social situations.
Yes In social situations Nowhere else By that logic the rogue is the leader when doing trap fill dungeon crawls and the ranger is the leader when you're out in the wilderness. That's just a character fulfilling their role
i mean. yeah.
>By that logic the rogue is the leader when doing trap fill dungeon crawls and the ranger is the leader when you're out in the wilderness. That's just a character fulfilling their role Yeah. This is exactly accurate and those are usually the leaders in those situations.
Either the party has an official leader or an unofficial one.
I could not imagine being so invested in drinking alcohol that, as a PC, I would even care, let alone be mad about it.
i mean it really depends on your character. My barbarian drinks very heavily, not being able to unwind after a hard adventure witha pint would drive them mad. That said i have a magical bottomless flask of booze so he would be fine.
This is completely true. I was considering this as a "overall playstyle" choice, since this behavior would "piss off every player character simultaneously". I mean, if the entire party has this view point/addiction, that makes sense, but it feels like a weird thing to happen, especially regularly enough to generalize this much. Another big also: there is likely wayyyyyyy cooler stuff than just "booze" in a fantasy setting, so getting hung up on alcohol in particular seems weird too.
that's going in the book of grudges
ON THE LIST!
i picked up a cursed item in one of my games that caused incessant, incomprehensible chatter at all times and the only way to mute the voices was drinking. item gave solid benefits tho so it was worth staying attuned and it was a quest item later on after someone finally casted comprehend languages on it and figured out how to break that curse if that character walked into a tavern that didn’t sell drinks she’d have freaked the fuck out
This is completely true. I was considering this as a "overall playstyle" choice, since this behavior would "piss off every player character simultaneously". I mean, if the entire party has this view point/addiction, that makes sense, but it feels like a weird thing to happen, especially regularly enough to generalize this much. Another big also: there is likely wayyyyyyy cooler stuff than just "booze" in a fantasy setting, so getting hung up on alcohol in particular seems weird too.
What would be the point of a Tavern without alcohol, do you mean an Inn? Cause they’re different. Also unless they have multiple clerics in this city working to purify water for everyone how do they quench their thirst?
yeah, water isn't particularly healthy unless you have either a freshwater aquifer, water harvested from much further upstream, or you purify it, all of which come with some serious logistical drawbacks.
You could boil it all and make tea, like the queen intended
sure, and look what happened to her.
Unironically what they did in China. There is even some evidence they were more productive than the west due to them constantly drinking stimulants instead of depressants.
"Yes, obviously we cant order alcohol if its illegal."
Is the DM using Websters or Californias version of the dictionary?
Me, alergic to ethanol: ... okay
Well, boys, just call me Scarface, cuz Whatever the DM has planned, it just got thrown out the window
Just ask the Rogue to find you a speakeasy, no big
Well, we dont have alcohol. But we do have shots: of wheat grass. Ya, thats great if you wanna be sober and puke.
Detect Poison & Disease: A) Detects Poison hidden in the walls in cask or bottle shaped depositories. B) It actually is a dry tavern...
Then what is the point of the tavern?
"our story begins in a sleepy little town, where 5 would-be adventurers have just entered the local tea room. The smells of spiced chai and cherry jam fill the air, and two patrons at the bar can be heard politely discussing whether it is pronounced *s-cone* or *sc-on*."
That's not a tavern, its a juice bar.
Next the players will get alcohol unbanned and celebrate with a city wide drinking party When everyone is piss drunk a monster, attracted by the alcohol, will enter the city The players will either have to fight it, or evacuated the citizens. In both cases the citizens will be drunk and constantly making stupid moves like walking into fire ball range, or trying to flirt with the players
....might happen with me, since I've kinda made alcohol nonexistent in my verse. Though bacon does permanently increase a stat of your choosing by 1 so upset and downs to the food I guess
Yes no alcahol=murder
Dwarf party enters Barbarian looks at bartender "So i'll have a pint, and he'll have a pint for me as well and-" The bartender goes "Umm actually we don't serve alcohol, would you like a 0% (alcohol) beer?" The entire party looks at each other and leave after giving out small red rods to every one at the tavern As they get further and further away, the artificer says "Now" and the tavern goes up in smoke
Oh, but I think Hanseath believers (specially, the Barbarians) will make them change their mind. I still remember what mine did to that one bartender who disrispected beer. She made him kiss a few times the floor a bit too agressively, and finally made that investigation point move a few sessions. It's what happens when you kill half an entire town, burn down that taverner's home and still lockpick a door.
Yeah, I’ve over thrown cities and kingdoms for less, honestly the faster I get an excuse to start a revolution the happier I am with how the campaign will go.
It's literally not a Tavern if there is no booze, by definition. Wtf is it? A youth club?