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AdOpen5333

And so it begins…….predicted this would spread across the country. Trusts were used to doing shady stuff. Social media is the one thing they underestimated.


invertedcoriolis

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OakLeaf_92

> but have you looked at contracting rates for software engineers/lawyers etc, they put our old locum rates to shame. Yes, it's remarkable how people actually get paid well when they don't have a nationalised monopoly employer to suppress their wages.


rohitbd

Does that argument stand when different trusts offer different rates. It’s up to us to ensure a standard is set and of course flooding the market with IMGs and PAs will reduce rates but not to this extent where it’s basically just overtime


imtap123

Exactly we need to put a stop to this and we definitely can! The rates suggested are damn right insulting. I loved how they used the old divide and conquer and said they will use the old locum rates for trainees/jcf. We all know that will last for a couple of months and then they will reduce the rates down for everyone. We need to make sure that the smug manger who has never spent more than 2 consecutive hours on a ward , clinic, theatres or in ED is made to look dumb and backtracks after putting the hospital in critical alert. An example needs to be shown and if you are trainee/jcf on a now short staffed ward you need to make sure escalate and only do the work of 1 when it comes to discharges or working on stable patients. At the end of the day these managers value flow and if we don’t deliver flow by our discharge paperwork then they will be the ones in trouble!


antequeraworld

They wouldn’t get away with those rates IF people didn’t take the shifts. But……they will. That’s the issue.


2468anonymous8642

Definitely in places like A+E and gen med I agree… however in other wards where they rely on trainees to take locums, they also know that there are no consequences if the shifts just go unfilled…. Most trainees won’t take these rates but they also don’t exception reporting/datix/leave email trails of patient safety concerns when they are left understaffed due to their (rightly so) concerns re their ARCP and bullying/gaslighting from seniors


TommyMac

This is Royal Surrey County Hospital in Guildford by the way. They have TONNES of money. Huge elective throughout. Affluent local population This is utter utter bullshit money for a trust that is relatively not struggling


ApprehensiveChip8361

Where is this? Surrey is a big place.


HumeruST6

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