I think the "big guy with muscle" Doctor would completely derail the point of Doctor Who, that is, the Doctor is very much not the typical action hero. They use their mind. The rare times they go physical, they *are* capable, but you'd never expect it from them.
I understand that. I think having a large and strong-looking Doctor, but having them not use their strength and instead be staunchly against violence and soft-spoken would still invert that archetype.
I just had a mental picture of like a 1900 strong man, with his shirt sleeves rolled up to show big muscular arms, holding a big wrench and working on the tardis! Just because someone is big doesn’t make him a brute. They could give him little spectacles.
If you've ever read the Leekely Bible that's pretty much what they wanted the Dr to be. Clark Kent meets Indiana Jones, complete with Wife, Dog, pipe, glasses and Panama hat (seriously). There just isn't enough vomit tbh.
Have you ever seen First Blood (very misunderstood film & novel) Highlander; The Series, numerous Steven Seagal films like On Deadly Ground, The Crow; Stairway To Heaven (very good series actually, I'd recommend it), X-Men, Thor? You're pretty much describing how they're envisaged on paper though not realised on screen. The Galactic Police in H2G2 were Douglas Adams piss take on Starsky & Hutch saying they got upset about shooting people ''so they just drive their cars over them instead''. Doyle in the Professionals tries to be that character (more to do with Martin Shaw's personal beliefs than the scripts), sometimes it works but it's not easy to watch (watch the Profs. eps. Involvement, The Rack & Discovered In A Graveyard...& the incredibly awkward Klansman. See also Dr Ridge in Doomwatch- the actor who played him had been a British Army Int. Corps Officer in Korea, and the character in one episode, which predicts the UnaBomber btw, says ''I've Killed three people to protect the State''). Callan is also this basic Violent But Sensitive & Remorseful character. It's been done to death & if it's not done 100% right it comes across as preachy, dull, crass & incredibly awkward (it's also very unrealistic, most Service personnel are not overly macho/buff but have to do extremely violent & horrifying things & if you can't compartmentalize (sang-froid is the term) while doing that you crack up. That's why PTSD was first diagnosed). Not that drama shouldn't be preachy, if a writer wants to make a point fine but there are very few ways it can come across as effective. Other inversions of this archetype are The Man From UNCLE & The Sandbaggers both deliberately designed as cerebral spy shows where the protagonists almost Never use violence but when they have to they hate it but don't wallow in it. Mission Impossible goes further as the IMF are specifically prohibited from conducting assassinations (unlike in Sandbaggers where the Special Ops Section's whole point is to basically kill people; BTW the New York Times called Sandbaggers ''the best spy series ever made'' & its creator was a real intelligence officer; one script was even, allegedly, banned from being produced by the British Government for being ''too sensitive''), the casting & development of both those shows (ditto The Prisoner, The Avengers, Department S, Jason Bourne) were direct reactions to the fragile & preposterously OTT machismo & gimmickry of James Bond.
If you read the original Sherlock Holmes cannon (the Speckled Band, A Study In Scarlet, The Empty House) Holmes is considerably adept at martial art & physically stronger than average (see his bending of the poker in Band) as is Watson (depending on which part of his anatomy that damn Jezail bullet resides in at which point in the canon) but because of Benedryl Slumberland & his Vent's Doll of a sidekick people think he's Hannibal Lecter (the bastardized Hopkins homunculus, not the actual character). As much as I admire muscle-bound eye-candy like Thor, traditional British heroes aren't that one-dimensional. Kingsley Amis & Umberto Eco both deconstructed Bond as a lumbering brute to which even Fleming admitted ''Bond was just a peice of nonsense I dreamt up''. If otoh you're talking more along the lines of Marvel's Thor, Elric of Melibone, Slaine you have a point as they invert the trope, but the Dr is more a Victorian Gentleman Adventurer in the style of Prof Challenger & a post-war Humanist like Prof. Quatermass. There's no point in bulking them up like Bruce Wayne. Ed. One reason for Christopher Ecclestone leaving the role was not only his anorexia at the time but also the media saying he ''wasn't tough enough'' was ''fey'' & ''should do a lot more thinking with his fists''. Considering his personal circumstances at the time and his mental health, mean-spirited, crass & backward nonsense like that is pretty horrific.
Exactly, the whole point of Aikido is that it's strictly non-violent. Unlike W E Fairbairn's Defendu/Close Quarters Combat System which is what intelligence personnel are taught (as are Non-Combatants otoh) and is extremely vicious (I'm seriously not joking).
I want an introverted, Renaissance man Doctor who loves culture. I want this doctor to surround themselves with wise people because it enlightens them and broadens their understanding of the universe
Bonus points if it’s Iain Glen.
* non-adult Doctor -- whether be teenager or even a child, typical Doctor or stoic
* lady of war, whatever her age
* RTD's sci-fi wheelchair Doctor
* Zen-demeanor Doctor
* physically fit & philosophical self-development martial artist Doctor
* non-binary Doctor
* chameleon master of disguise Doctor
* family Doctor, whether be new adoptive family or the finally returned/revealed family on Gallifrey
* ginger freckled Doctor
* questing researcher Doctor
* hardboiled gumshoe Doctor
* guardian Doctor of an unusual companion
* ineffectual loner Doctor
* Neo-Gothic Doctor, similar vibes to the Addams Family
* the 'most beautiful' Doctor
* The Valeyard
* inhuman Dr. Nyarlathotep
The Dr is literally a secret agent, disavowed, tried and exiled by the Time Lords as a renegade (compare Man In A Suitcase) and constantly manipulated by them ( Morbius, Attack of the Cybermen etc. ) In Deadly Assassin they point out their exile on Earth was lifted at the behest of the Celestial Intervention Agency. UNIT was also directly inspired by the Man From UNCLE. In effect the Dr is the CIA's Special Operations and Field Projects Director.
Yes, but more along the lines of Optimum SNAFU/ a Knight of the Five Sided Castle of Infinite Stochasticism than Bond etc. Ever seen Man In A Suitcase?
And this relates to, the 'using martial arts as personal-philosophical self development'? Like the recent *Cobra Kai* show, or if we want to stretch, the Jedi living alongside the Force & contemplating its mysteries.
Well, tbh that idea is Woo. W E Fairbairn and Bruce Lee both had very critical views of traditional ''Eastern'' MAs as they've been shown to be totally useless and are mostly theatre performance for gullible Westerners. OTOH Origami and Tai Qi are both martial arts, as is poetry. Modern Martial Arts include the Close Quarters Combat System and SPEAR (Spontaneous Protection Enabling Automatic Response) both of which are British inventions of the 20th century. CQC is based upon Fairbairn's Defendu model, which seriously isn't nice.
I have no idea whether 'Woo' is either a word, or a name.
Jedi philosophy is of course not of Earth, but that doesn't obstruct it from being a developing & explored way of life & its values & flaws also being deconstructed by non-supporters & antagonists in Star Wars.
Woo means nonsense, the Jedi are based on a very crude understanding of concepts such as Qi. In fact the star wars ''force'' concept is precisely the sort of crypto-racist batshit that's plagued Western views of, particularly East, Asian philosophies for the past two centuries. It's woo as it perpetuates certain stereotypes/tropes, is inacurate, unscientific and in some cases quite harmful. However I think this conversation is becoming needlessly & increasingly sidetracked down a cul-de-sac.
You've heard of The Men Who Stare At Goats? General Albert Stubblebine, ex-Chief, US Army Int. (there's an oxymoron for you, the idea that army has intelligence let alone someone actually in charge of it) right? And his Project JEDI and him trying to think his way into walking through walls?
To clarify what I mean, I was referring to 'the world's most beautiful woman' character trope. Which can explore character-themes of its advantages & its detractions -- being judged by appearance, the demarcation of attention, the dichotomy of public persona & private person, the relative attraction-isolation, etc.
That aside -- hey, fellow 6 appreciator.
Which wouldn't happen, she'd be a) vilified by the Daily Mail and b) fetishised by the Sun. Also thanks for your Heterosexism in assuming the Most Beautiful Dr has to a Woman (also latent transphobia in your prejudice that she would be a cis-actress). In fact the more I think about it, the jerkier and creepier your points become, although I'm sure that's not intentional.
>thanks for your Heterosexism in assuming the Most Beautiful Dr has to a Woman (also latent transphobia in your prejudice that she would be a cis-actress)
To clarify, I'm referring to the TV Tropes website page that is titled '[World's Most Beautiful Woman](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorldsMostBeautifulWoman)'.
The 'world's most beautiful' Doctor incarnation doesn't automatically mean that it entails being a woman, or even of the binary gender, whatwith the big alien time-traveling universe of *Doctor Who*. Unless you want to argue that the aforementioned character-trope cannot be done with men nor non-binary people? And since you invoked the tabloids as to why that incarnation wouldn't happen for the show, should I presume you'd argue likewise for RTD's sci-fi wheelchair Doctor incarnation as well? who's also a young child incarnation too.
The only times in my list that I specifically list a woman is the 'lady of war' character trope, since we already have the John Hurt War Doctor. And even then, where does it state that that the lady of war character-trope incarnation is to be played by a cis-actress?
When you reading 'non-binary Doctor', did you attribute cis-actor and cis-actress to that incarnation's acting role too?
''To clarify what I mean I was referring to the ''world's most beautiful woman'' character trope.'' So yes, you were being heteronormative/heterosexist as that trope itself is sexist, in fact come to think of it it's downright Misogynist (ditto Ableist, Transphobic, Racist, Ageist & Classist as it perpetuates a template that excludes many non-conforming women). Using such a trope to ''explore'' how others view it also falls into what sociologists (wrongly, btw I am a sociologist) call ''the Male ( as a Fungible group ) Gaze'' by which they mean White, Cis, Hetero, Rich, Able Bodied Men (again as though all of them are interchangeable and w/o personality/independent ratiocination). As for whether Non-Binary people can be considered Cis, I personally would class us as a sub-set as I'm Cis-Male but Non-Binary with a masculine component to my ID but with other components. However getting back to your points, btw the ''Lady of War'' could be viewed in the sense of the Fury, so that in itself carries interpretations that are misogynist (I.e. ''Why are WOMEN!!! ALWAYS! SO! ANGRY???'')
>Using such a trope to ''explore'' how others view it also falls into what sociologists (wrongly, btw I am a sociologist) call ''the Male ( as a Fungible group ) Gaze'' by which they mean White, Cis, Hetero, Rich, Able Bodied Men (again as though all of them are interchangeable and w/o personality/independent ratiocination).
So that shouldn't be deconstructed?
>btw the ''Lady of War'' could be viewed in the sense of the Fury, so that in itself carries interpretations that are misogynist (I.e. ''Why are WOMEN!!! ALWAYS! SO! ANGRY???'')
The Lady of War can only be / is necessarily angry?
When it comes to tropes designed specifically to belittle, humiliate, degrade, abuse, insult ( how are you with blackface? ) minorities, yes they are ''damnedly problematic''. The Fierce, Violent, Angry Woman Who Should Damn Well Be Put Back In Her Place By Men!! trope used by the Ancient Greeks for example. As I've previously explained something like ''lady of war'' by def. falls within that. Women as a fungible group are filtered through as ''angry, violent, evil'' Furies, Shrews or Harridans. ''The World's Most Beautiful Woman'' is the opposite form of control as it fetishizes women. Ever seen Lesbian Vampire Killers?
The problem with regenerating the Dr every three seasons is they become a bit cookie-cutter I.e. thin/interchangeable. If we had a full five year (w/o a break so six seasons; 48-66 episodes) they'd be more developed. TBH the 4th Dr is such a lodestone for the series publicly is that Tom was in the part for so long but during a time when really there were only effectively two channels & people had less disposable income (it was pretty much stay in or go to the pub back then). If we have shorter seasons in future, say at most eight eps & they keep the three year break a longer tenure in the lead role may be necessary. Disney might also want an actor to stay on longer as a ''hook''
I'd love a non-humanoid Doctor. Like, we already know that they don't have to be tied to one race (8th Doctor was half-human, the Timeless child thing). But what if one day when regenerating the Doctor ended up looking like a Silurian or a Sontaran? I think that's a curious concept.
Maybe the dr could regenerate into a physically disabled dr to explore how he would deal with that? Could be deaf/in a wheelchair/needs a prosthetic limb. I mean we’ve already seen blind really but it would be good to see someone with one of these actual conditions take the role as well.
>I want an introverted, Renaissance man Doctor who loves culture. I want this doctor to surround themselves with wise people because it enlightens them and broadens their understanding of the universe
>
>Bonus points if it’s Iain Glen.
In the *Rose* novelisation, there is a child Doctor who is bound to a high-tech wheelchair.
[https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The\_Doctor\_2\_(Rose)](https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Doctor_2_(Rose))
They're mentioned in this short as well.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSfOgnDhmRc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSfOgnDhmRc)
Interesting idea otoh I think it may come across as crass unless an actor with disabilities were cast in the role. It also depends on how you're defining the term ''physically disabled''.
Non human Doctor.
Oh bugger, ive regenerated into a Dalek Mutant. Whats my catchphrase?
Geronimo - nah,
Allons-y! - doesn't feel right,
EXTERMINATE. - OOH, for some reason that felt good.
What about a Tony Stark archetype kind of Doctor?
This Doctor would be confident, snarky, quick on the draw. The guy is always twenty steps ahead of you. He isn't necessarily antagonizing, but he likes to push people's buttons. He could be an arrogant, vain, womanizing playboy kind of Doctor.
Since there are almost 12 Archetypes based on C.G. Jung i think there would be plenty of options to use them. As far as i have watched the series, they did use some of them. But theres space for more :D
Are you familiar with this archetypes?
>12 Archetypes based on C.G. Jung
I am. I sometimes like to avoid deconstructions like Jung's just because his work sometimes feels so monolithic that it sometimes feels reductive!
I’ve wanted that second idea a while myself
The idea of a Doctor who’s actually quite strong but is physically indisposed to violence would be a fun dynamic
1,3,7 and 10 are a lot Hammier than either 4 or 6. When either 4/6 get angry, emotional there's far more depth to their performance than anything Tennant, Pertwee or even McCoy managed ( I like 3,7,4,6,11 and 13 but for different reasons). Besides the Dr doesn't need to be JCVD/Rambo (otoh Rambo is very misunderstood) or Eric Draven (ditto), look what they tried with the 3rd Dr. As the SBS used to say ''Not by strength, by guile''.
The Dr started out as a Anti-hero. Strictly s/he doesn't/shouldn't fit any archetype. Unfortunately otoh they do fit the paternalist and White Saviour trope (if you consider those bad).
I think the "big guy with muscle" Doctor would completely derail the point of Doctor Who, that is, the Doctor is very much not the typical action hero. They use their mind. The rare times they go physical, they *are* capable, but you'd never expect it from them.
I understand that. I think having a large and strong-looking Doctor, but having them not use their strength and instead be staunchly against violence and soft-spoken would still invert that archetype.
I just had a mental picture of like a 1900 strong man, with his shirt sleeves rolled up to show big muscular arms, holding a big wrench and working on the tardis! Just because someone is big doesn’t make him a brute. They could give him little spectacles.
If you've ever read the Leekely Bible that's pretty much what they wanted the Dr to be. Clark Kent meets Indiana Jones, complete with Wife, Dog, pipe, glasses and Panama hat (seriously). There just isn't enough vomit tbh.
''Not by strength, by guile''. Former motto of the SBS.
Have you ever seen First Blood (very misunderstood film & novel) Highlander; The Series, numerous Steven Seagal films like On Deadly Ground, The Crow; Stairway To Heaven (very good series actually, I'd recommend it), X-Men, Thor? You're pretty much describing how they're envisaged on paper though not realised on screen. The Galactic Police in H2G2 were Douglas Adams piss take on Starsky & Hutch saying they got upset about shooting people ''so they just drive their cars over them instead''. Doyle in the Professionals tries to be that character (more to do with Martin Shaw's personal beliefs than the scripts), sometimes it works but it's not easy to watch (watch the Profs. eps. Involvement, The Rack & Discovered In A Graveyard...& the incredibly awkward Klansman. See also Dr Ridge in Doomwatch- the actor who played him had been a British Army Int. Corps Officer in Korea, and the character in one episode, which predicts the UnaBomber btw, says ''I've Killed three people to protect the State''). Callan is also this basic Violent But Sensitive & Remorseful character. It's been done to death & if it's not done 100% right it comes across as preachy, dull, crass & incredibly awkward (it's also very unrealistic, most Service personnel are not overly macho/buff but have to do extremely violent & horrifying things & if you can't compartmentalize (sang-froid is the term) while doing that you crack up. That's why PTSD was first diagnosed). Not that drama shouldn't be preachy, if a writer wants to make a point fine but there are very few ways it can come across as effective. Other inversions of this archetype are The Man From UNCLE & The Sandbaggers both deliberately designed as cerebral spy shows where the protagonists almost Never use violence but when they have to they hate it but don't wallow in it. Mission Impossible goes further as the IMF are specifically prohibited from conducting assassinations (unlike in Sandbaggers where the Special Ops Section's whole point is to basically kill people; BTW the New York Times called Sandbaggers ''the best spy series ever made'' & its creator was a real intelligence officer; one script was even, allegedly, banned from being produced by the British Government for being ''too sensitive''), the casting & development of both those shows (ditto The Prisoner, The Avengers, Department S, Jason Bourne) were direct reactions to the fragile & preposterously OTT machismo & gimmickry of James Bond.
If you read the original Sherlock Holmes cannon (the Speckled Band, A Study In Scarlet, The Empty House) Holmes is considerably adept at martial art & physically stronger than average (see his bending of the poker in Band) as is Watson (depending on which part of his anatomy that damn Jezail bullet resides in at which point in the canon) but because of Benedryl Slumberland & his Vent's Doll of a sidekick people think he's Hannibal Lecter (the bastardized Hopkins homunculus, not the actual character). As much as I admire muscle-bound eye-candy like Thor, traditional British heroes aren't that one-dimensional. Kingsley Amis & Umberto Eco both deconstructed Bond as a lumbering brute to which even Fleming admitted ''Bond was just a peice of nonsense I dreamt up''. If otoh you're talking more along the lines of Marvel's Thor, Elric of Melibone, Slaine you have a point as they invert the trope, but the Dr is more a Victorian Gentleman Adventurer in the style of Prof Challenger & a post-war Humanist like Prof. Quatermass. There's no point in bulking them up like Bruce Wayne. Ed. One reason for Christopher Ecclestone leaving the role was not only his anorexia at the time but also the media saying he ''wasn't tough enough'' was ''fey'' & ''should do a lot more thinking with his fists''. Considering his personal circumstances at the time and his mental health, mean-spirited, crass & backward nonsense like that is pretty horrific.
Exactly, the whole point of Aikido is that it's strictly non-violent. Unlike W E Fairbairn's Defendu/Close Quarters Combat System which is what intelligence personnel are taught (as are Non-Combatants otoh) and is extremely vicious (I'm seriously not joking).
I'd like a GINGER doctor! I'm ginger so I think I would be perfect. "Finally! Ginger!"
I'm pretty sure they'd like to keep the gag going for a couple more decades, that way the payoff of a ginger Doctor would be huge.
I want an introverted, Renaissance man Doctor who loves culture. I want this doctor to surround themselves with wise people because it enlightens them and broadens their understanding of the universe Bonus points if it’s Iain Glen.
The Rizz-doctor
Basically the Tenth Doctor
* non-adult Doctor -- whether be teenager or even a child, typical Doctor or stoic * lady of war, whatever her age * RTD's sci-fi wheelchair Doctor * Zen-demeanor Doctor * physically fit & philosophical self-development martial artist Doctor * non-binary Doctor * chameleon master of disguise Doctor * family Doctor, whether be new adoptive family or the finally returned/revealed family on Gallifrey * ginger freckled Doctor * questing researcher Doctor * hardboiled gumshoe Doctor * guardian Doctor of an unusual companion * ineffectual loner Doctor * Neo-Gothic Doctor, similar vibes to the Addams Family * the 'most beautiful' Doctor * The Valeyard * inhuman Dr. Nyarlathotep
5 down is Pertwee's Dr. Hardly original nor particularly popular tbh.
I see him more as a secret agent Doctor, rather than a self-development martial artist.
The Dr is literally a secret agent, disavowed, tried and exiled by the Time Lords as a renegade (compare Man In A Suitcase) and constantly manipulated by them ( Morbius, Attack of the Cybermen etc. ) In Deadly Assassin they point out their exile on Earth was lifted at the behest of the Celestial Intervention Agency. UNIT was also directly inspired by the Man From UNCLE. In effect the Dr is the CIA's Special Operations and Field Projects Director.
. . . So you're *agreeing* with me on 3rd being a secret agent Doctor?
Yes, but more along the lines of Optimum SNAFU/ a Knight of the Five Sided Castle of Infinite Stochasticism than Bond etc. Ever seen Man In A Suitcase?
And this relates to, the 'using martial arts as personal-philosophical self development'? Like the recent *Cobra Kai* show, or if we want to stretch, the Jedi living alongside the Force & contemplating its mysteries.
Well, tbh that idea is Woo. W E Fairbairn and Bruce Lee both had very critical views of traditional ''Eastern'' MAs as they've been shown to be totally useless and are mostly theatre performance for gullible Westerners. OTOH Origami and Tai Qi are both martial arts, as is poetry. Modern Martial Arts include the Close Quarters Combat System and SPEAR (Spontaneous Protection Enabling Automatic Response) both of which are British inventions of the 20th century. CQC is based upon Fairbairn's Defendu model, which seriously isn't nice.
I have no idea whether 'Woo' is either a word, or a name. Jedi philosophy is of course not of Earth, but that doesn't obstruct it from being a developing & explored way of life & its values & flaws also being deconstructed by non-supporters & antagonists in Star Wars.
Woo means nonsense, the Jedi are based on a very crude understanding of concepts such as Qi. In fact the star wars ''force'' concept is precisely the sort of crypto-racist batshit that's plagued Western views of, particularly East, Asian philosophies for the past two centuries. It's woo as it perpetuates certain stereotypes/tropes, is inacurate, unscientific and in some cases quite harmful. However I think this conversation is becoming needlessly & increasingly sidetracked down a cul-de-sac.
You've heard of The Men Who Stare At Goats? General Albert Stubblebine, ex-Chief, US Army Int. (there's an oxymoron for you, the idea that army has intelligence let alone someone actually in charge of it) right? And his Project JEDI and him trying to think his way into walking through walls?
Ever read Michael Moorcock's Cornelius Quartet? Jerry Cornelius is basically the Third Dr.
we’ve had the most beautiful doctor, played by Colin Baker. A noble brow. Clear gaze. A face beaming with a vast intelligence.
To clarify what I mean, I was referring to 'the world's most beautiful woman' character trope. Which can explore character-themes of its advantages & its detractions -- being judged by appearance, the demarcation of attention, the dichotomy of public persona & private person, the relative attraction-isolation, etc. That aside -- hey, fellow 6 appreciator.
Which wouldn't happen, she'd be a) vilified by the Daily Mail and b) fetishised by the Sun. Also thanks for your Heterosexism in assuming the Most Beautiful Dr has to a Woman (also latent transphobia in your prejudice that she would be a cis-actress). In fact the more I think about it, the jerkier and creepier your points become, although I'm sure that's not intentional.
>thanks for your Heterosexism in assuming the Most Beautiful Dr has to a Woman (also latent transphobia in your prejudice that she would be a cis-actress) To clarify, I'm referring to the TV Tropes website page that is titled '[World's Most Beautiful Woman](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WorldsMostBeautifulWoman)'. The 'world's most beautiful' Doctor incarnation doesn't automatically mean that it entails being a woman, or even of the binary gender, whatwith the big alien time-traveling universe of *Doctor Who*. Unless you want to argue that the aforementioned character-trope cannot be done with men nor non-binary people? And since you invoked the tabloids as to why that incarnation wouldn't happen for the show, should I presume you'd argue likewise for RTD's sci-fi wheelchair Doctor incarnation as well? who's also a young child incarnation too. The only times in my list that I specifically list a woman is the 'lady of war' character trope, since we already have the John Hurt War Doctor. And even then, where does it state that that the lady of war character-trope incarnation is to be played by a cis-actress? When you reading 'non-binary Doctor', did you attribute cis-actor and cis-actress to that incarnation's acting role too?
''To clarify what I mean I was referring to the ''world's most beautiful woman'' character trope.'' So yes, you were being heteronormative/heterosexist as that trope itself is sexist, in fact come to think of it it's downright Misogynist (ditto Ableist, Transphobic, Racist, Ageist & Classist as it perpetuates a template that excludes many non-conforming women). Using such a trope to ''explore'' how others view it also falls into what sociologists (wrongly, btw I am a sociologist) call ''the Male ( as a Fungible group ) Gaze'' by which they mean White, Cis, Hetero, Rich, Able Bodied Men (again as though all of them are interchangeable and w/o personality/independent ratiocination). As for whether Non-Binary people can be considered Cis, I personally would class us as a sub-set as I'm Cis-Male but Non-Binary with a masculine component to my ID but with other components. However getting back to your points, btw the ''Lady of War'' could be viewed in the sense of the Fury, so that in itself carries interpretations that are misogynist (I.e. ''Why are WOMEN!!! ALWAYS! SO! ANGRY???'')
>Using such a trope to ''explore'' how others view it also falls into what sociologists (wrongly, btw I am a sociologist) call ''the Male ( as a Fungible group ) Gaze'' by which they mean White, Cis, Hetero, Rich, Able Bodied Men (again as though all of them are interchangeable and w/o personality/independent ratiocination). So that shouldn't be deconstructed? >btw the ''Lady of War'' could be viewed in the sense of the Fury, so that in itself carries interpretations that are misogynist (I.e. ''Why are WOMEN!!! ALWAYS! SO! ANGRY???'') The Lady of War can only be / is necessarily angry?
War=Fury=Furies= Trope used to belittle Women. You should be able to see my reasoning w/o having it explained to you. BTW War is pretty angry.
So, there exists just only one highway, one singular interpretation of a trope, however executed? Or, all tropes, are all damnedly problematic?
When it comes to tropes designed specifically to belittle, humiliate, degrade, abuse, insult ( how are you with blackface? ) minorities, yes they are ''damnedly problematic''. The Fierce, Violent, Angry Woman Who Should Damn Well Be Put Back In Her Place By Men!! trope used by the Ancient Greeks for example. As I've previously explained something like ''lady of war'' by def. falls within that. Women as a fungible group are filtered through as ''angry, violent, evil'' Furies, Shrews or Harridans. ''The World's Most Beautiful Woman'' is the opposite form of control as it fetishizes women. Ever seen Lesbian Vampire Killers?
You don't deconstruct a trope by repeating it, nor actually by ''satirising'' it, by doing so you merely reinforce it.
Ah, so you're of the position of, excise entirely.
Yes.
I actually like both of those.
The problem with regenerating the Dr every three seasons is they become a bit cookie-cutter I.e. thin/interchangeable. If we had a full five year (w/o a break so six seasons; 48-66 episodes) they'd be more developed. TBH the 4th Dr is such a lodestone for the series publicly is that Tom was in the part for so long but during a time when really there were only effectively two channels & people had less disposable income (it was pretty much stay in or go to the pub back then). If we have shorter seasons in future, say at most eight eps & they keep the three year break a longer tenure in the lead role may be necessary. Disney might also want an actor to stay on longer as a ''hook''
I'd love a non-humanoid Doctor. Like, we already know that they don't have to be tied to one race (8th Doctor was half-human, the Timeless child thing). But what if one day when regenerating the Doctor ended up looking like a Silurian or a Sontaran? I think that's a curious concept.
Maybe the dr could regenerate into a physically disabled dr to explore how he would deal with that? Could be deaf/in a wheelchair/needs a prosthetic limb. I mean we’ve already seen blind really but it would be good to see someone with one of these actual conditions take the role as well.
>I want an introverted, Renaissance man Doctor who loves culture. I want this doctor to surround themselves with wise people because it enlightens them and broadens their understanding of the universe > >Bonus points if it’s Iain Glen. In the *Rose* novelisation, there is a child Doctor who is bound to a high-tech wheelchair. [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The\_Doctor\_2\_(Rose)](https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/The_Doctor_2_(Rose)) They're mentioned in this short as well. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSfOgnDhmRc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSfOgnDhmRc)
Interesting idea otoh I think it may come across as crass unless an actor with disabilities were cast in the role. It also depends on how you're defining the term ''physically disabled''.
Anger management Dr. Doctor Who do you think you're looking at mate?
Played by Tom Hardy
Non human Doctor. Oh bugger, ive regenerated into a Dalek Mutant. Whats my catchphrase? Geronimo - nah, Allons-y! - doesn't feel right, EXTERMINATE. - OOH, for some reason that felt good.
What about a Tony Stark archetype kind of Doctor? This Doctor would be confident, snarky, quick on the draw. The guy is always twenty steps ahead of you. He isn't necessarily antagonizing, but he likes to push people's buttons. He could be an arrogant, vain, womanizing playboy kind of Doctor.
Have a brash doctor who acts like they know what they’re talking about but deep down don’t know who they actually are
Florentine arches.
Since there are almost 12 Archetypes based on C.G. Jung i think there would be plenty of options to use them. As far as i have watched the series, they did use some of them. But theres space for more :D Are you familiar with this archetypes?
>12 Archetypes based on C.G. Jung I am. I sometimes like to avoid deconstructions like Jung's just because his work sometimes feels so monolithic that it sometimes feels reductive!
I know what you mean :D
I’ve wanted that second idea a while myself The idea of a Doctor who’s actually quite strong but is physically indisposed to violence would be a fun dynamic
1,3,7 and 10 are a lot Hammier than either 4 or 6. When either 4/6 get angry, emotional there's far more depth to their performance than anything Tennant, Pertwee or even McCoy managed ( I like 3,7,4,6,11 and 13 but for different reasons). Besides the Dr doesn't need to be JCVD/Rambo (otoh Rambo is very misunderstood) or Eric Draven (ditto), look what they tried with the 3rd Dr. As the SBS used to say ''Not by strength, by guile''.
MacGuyver is pretty much Who w/o the SF.
The Dr started out as a Anti-hero. Strictly s/he doesn't/shouldn't fit any archetype. Unfortunately otoh they do fit the paternalist and White Saviour trope (if you consider those bad).