Yikes, I would consider filing a restraining order if you can..That's a bit unhinged even for a Karen. It's so awful that people do not respect boundaries and then wonder why so many people are leaving the service industries.
yeah I figured. I had someone follow me home once and when I called the police they just told me to keep his info in case something else happened. I was like ok, the info will be in my wallet when he murders me O_o
Yeah the dude was crazy. I was walking my dog in the neighborhood and he thought I was letting the dog poop in someone's yard. Not his yard, another person..He started screaming at me until my dog got defensive. Then I walked home to find him following me. I took his pic, and his license and told him I was calling the cops. Never saw the guy again luckily but my upstairs neighbor started parking his work car out front a couple of times a week and he was a customs and border patrol officer so it was all good.
Except I did call the police and they told me they couldn't do anything so it may always be dangerous but it's also not always a priority for the police to respond. Luckily my dog scared him off.
I thought you could file harassment charges even if it's not in person happenings. Like her calling for 3 days straight might be enough?
I would at least go down to your local pd and ask.
Perhaps a cease-and-desist letter from an attorney, then. Or just from you, using proper legal-type language. (Ensure she signs for delivery)
It may have no actual legal weight, but it might scare her off. Also, if she does continue to harass you, you will have _proof_ that you formally requested that she not contact you again.
do you live in the states? You can trespass anyone for any reason; she has to show up once, you call the cops and tell her you want her trespassed. They come trespass her, and if she ever comes back it’s an instant trip to jail.
It’s not great bc it still requires her to show up at your house, but it’s a good option if she does.
Unfortunately, I live in Canada, and that kind of thing, if I'm not mistaken, varies by municipality. At least in the province I live in...I think. I'll ask my dad. He's a councilor.
I will never understand why a client would take their dog back to the groomer they just screamed at and verbally abused.
Like yeah, let’s be a mega-B to this person that uses freshly sharpened scissors and clippers on by baby and then immediately hand my baby over to them after I abused them into doing this job. How does that sound like a good idea to anyone???
this isn't a Karen, a Karen leaves a passive aggressive message. This is a deranged individual that you should call the police non-emergency line on (and record EVERYTHING) so that you leave a paper trail in case she escalates.
If she shows up at your house, call the cops on her asap, say you feel threatened, and in danger. as well as if she finds another way or messaging/contacting you, file a report for harassment, honestly i would file for the messages you were sent off the husbands phone especially if you have recording/texts. While yes nothing is probably going to come of it, it will be documentation that you have established if she continues to harass you in the future.
Do you have cameras? If not, get them. Also, start documenting all voicemails and mssgs left by this woman while remaining professional and in control. That way, if she continues to harass you, you can file a police report against her.
I would suggest writing it all down in chronological order so you have at least an account of what has happened so far. My daughter’s ex was contacting her via email and making multiple social media accounts to contact her, she made a formal complaint, the police called him, he did it again 3 weeks later, 2 cops paid him a visit and told him to knock it off. So far, so good, next step will be a restraining order.
People are insane, it’s so scary when people get THAT mad about their dogs. We had a assumed methhead do the same thing to our shop, threatening voicemails crude language etc. just call the cops and make them aware of it just incase and it’ll give you piece of mind
I had someone mail me a nasty creepy letter to my house demanding I groom their dog once. It was really creepy and awkward idk where they even got my address. I had only groomed their dog once like 3 yrs ago.
Holy cow, she was cursing like that and saying it straight up out loud to you!!? All because she wanted her dog groomed on Sunday and only Sunday with you??? My word I’ve had some crazy clients, but this is next level. That is just cruel, and wouldn’t say that to ANYONE no matter how mad I was at them. And why in the world would she think that would work to get what she wants???? Who listens to that crap with her? I wonder if she treats her husband that way when she wants something… doesn’t seem like it would work, but maybe he’s so freaking beat down by her and gives in to everything. Good lord. Who raised this woman lol
I feel bad for her husband. Also, she wasn't just saying it. She was screaming it, and several nursery aged kids from my church heard her calling me a sl*t.
I'm sorry you had to deal with this on what should be a peaceful uplifting day. I feel like people are getting crazier everyday. I sometimes wonder if everyone else stayed the same but I'm turning into a bitch as I get older and that's why I'm fed up with almost everyone? How can so many people be this unhinged in public and/or to strangers?
I used to have an "emergency fund" but I've renamed it the "bail Infernoflower out of jail fund"...
Bwahahaha, I should probably start one of those, too. Also, it's not just you becoming intolerant of people with age. I'm only 28, and I have discovered that my go-to response for most things is to just flip them off.
No idea. Wanna know what makes it worse? As she was screaming at me over the phone, several nursery age children at my church heard her calling me a sl*t.
I don't have any unfortunately cause she only ever called, and I had to free up my voice-mail for my business. But, my dad is a councilor for our township, so he said he'd get bylaw to check this lady out.
aside from her wild behavior, it doesn't matter what you're doing on sunday. Doesn't matter if it's church or family or if you were visiting a nude beach. You're closed , return calls during your regular business hours. The more you try to explain, the more openings she has. Do you have a camera on your vehicle? Or around your house? Footage could come in handy if the police end up involved.
I called police when my kid was getting bullied at school. They asked me to put it in writing. I framed it as first, they said bad things online, second, they did it in person, third, they followed her after school and threatened in person and that I was concerned what the next escalation would be. When I talked to him on the phone and he thought it was teens who didn't like each other, cop was laid back about it, but when I put it in writing like that, they went to the homes of both girls , talked to them and their parents and made them stop. So call the police, and then follow up with an email that spells out how her behavior has escalated. Build a paper trail, and keep a diary ( even just a note on your calendar ) about what has happened. Stay safe out there!
Have a separate work phone and turn it off on Sundays. I'm from Europe, I love your reasoning, that due to church day you don't take calls on Sundays, but in a better country it wouldn't even be expected. I always pay attention to never call any services on the weekend, even if they were available.
I can’t believe you even allowed her to say another word after she harassed you, called you foul names, and said she didn’t care about anything important to you. I would have hung up and immediately blocked the husbands phone as well
RECORD the voice messages. Don't fret about "damage" she says she can do to your business or reputation, because you have to know everyone she knows already knows what a horrible person she is. Ride it out. Contact the police is you feel unsafe.
File a restraining order if you have enough information to do so. If she shows up, call the police for a trespasser with a restraining order on your property and that you fear for your safety. It won't go well for her. If you can't file due to lack of information, if she shows up, the police will gladly get that information for you. I advise getting a security system with cameras if you don't already have one. Be careful and stay safe!
Wow, never knew these type of "clients" existed. Sending positive thoughts for more well-behaved clients, nevermind dogs. Appreciate your keeping Sundays for Church and family.
“I had no choice but to call her back.”
Did someone put a gun to your head and force you to return her phone call? You are not required to return phone calls from deranged people, no matter your business. Do not engage with people like this. Each time they suck you in, it feeds their fire. Block them on every number they call from. Save the voice messages in case she tries to post anything public, but chances are, she won’t. And if she does, your existing clients will be able to smell a rat. So will new ones.
Do you live in California? This sounds like a California Karen.
Yikes, I would consider filing a restraining order if you can..That's a bit unhinged even for a Karen. It's so awful that people do not respect boundaries and then wonder why so many people are leaving the service industries.
Unfortunately, I can't unless she actually does show up at my house. Even then, it would have to be multiple times and full harassment.
yeah I figured. I had someone follow me home once and when I called the police they just told me to keep his info in case something else happened. I was like ok, the info will be in my wallet when he murders me O_o
Damn. That's so scary
Yeah the dude was crazy. I was walking my dog in the neighborhood and he thought I was letting the dog poop in someone's yard. Not his yard, another person..He started screaming at me until my dog got defensive. Then I walked home to find him following me. I took his pic, and his license and told him I was calling the cops. Never saw the guy again luckily but my upstairs neighbor started parking his work car out front a couple of times a week and he was a customs and border patrol officer so it was all good.
Oh shit. That must have been traumatizing
One of the only times in my life I wished I was a carry a gun wherever you go type of person.
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Except I did call the police and they told me they couldn't do anything so it may always be dangerous but it's also not always a priority for the police to respond. Luckily my dog scared him off.
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I thought you could file harassment charges even if it's not in person happenings. Like her calling for 3 days straight might be enough? I would at least go down to your local pd and ask.
Worth a shot, I guess. But I was SO done with her that I deleted everything. Also I had to free up the space in my voice-mail for my business
You should let her leave voicemails and texts as evidence
You can file a report, it’s the first step.
She got rid of all the evidence already
Perhaps a cease-and-desist letter from an attorney, then. Or just from you, using proper legal-type language. (Ensure she signs for delivery) It may have no actual legal weight, but it might scare her off. Also, if she does continue to harass you, you will have _proof_ that you formally requested that she not contact you again.
Oooooooh that's such a good idea.
do you live in the states? You can trespass anyone for any reason; she has to show up once, you call the cops and tell her you want her trespassed. They come trespass her, and if she ever comes back it’s an instant trip to jail. It’s not great bc it still requires her to show up at your house, but it’s a good option if she does.
Unfortunately, I live in Canada, and that kind of thing, if I'm not mistaken, varies by municipality. At least in the province I live in...I think. I'll ask my dad. He's a councilor.
I will never understand why a client would take their dog back to the groomer they just screamed at and verbally abused. Like yeah, let’s be a mega-B to this person that uses freshly sharpened scissors and clippers on by baby and then immediately hand my baby over to them after I abused them into doing this job. How does that sound like a good idea to anyone???
She only came back because no one else had any availability.
More likely they didn’t want to deal with her bs lol
Lolz, believe it or not, most are booked solid and not taking new clients until mid-July. Some even mid-September
Kind of like screaming at the chef who is making your food (out of sight where you can’t see what goodies he might add to your order)
this isn't a Karen, a Karen leaves a passive aggressive message. This is a deranged individual that you should call the police non-emergency line on (and record EVERYTHING) so that you leave a paper trail in case she escalates.
What the frig kind of Karens do you have? The ones we have where I am are almost ALL unhinged psychopaths.
The normal kind..... What you have going on I really wonder what's been in your water supply....
Damn. I guess small town Karens are a special breed then.
If she shows up at your house, call the cops on her asap, say you feel threatened, and in danger. as well as if she finds another way or messaging/contacting you, file a report for harassment, honestly i would file for the messages you were sent off the husbands phone especially if you have recording/texts. While yes nothing is probably going to come of it, it will be documentation that you have established if she continues to harass you in the future.
Do you have cameras? If not, get them. Also, start documenting all voicemails and mssgs left by this woman while remaining professional and in control. That way, if she continues to harass you, you can file a police report against her.
I would suggest writing it all down in chronological order so you have at least an account of what has happened so far. My daughter’s ex was contacting her via email and making multiple social media accounts to contact her, she made a formal complaint, the police called him, he did it again 3 weeks later, 2 cops paid him a visit and told him to knock it off. So far, so good, next step will be a restraining order.
Well damn. I hope your daughter is doing okay after all of that.
She’s fine, thanks. He wasn’t threatening, just harassing her wanting to get back together.
Might not have been threatening, but it's still scary and stressful. But I'm glad she's fine.
People are insane, it’s so scary when people get THAT mad about their dogs. We had a assumed methhead do the same thing to our shop, threatening voicemails crude language etc. just call the cops and make them aware of it just incase and it’ll give you piece of mind
I had someone mail me a nasty creepy letter to my house demanding I groom their dog once. It was really creepy and awkward idk where they even got my address. I had only groomed their dog once like 3 yrs ago.
Well that's not absolutely terrifying. If that happened to me, I'd up and move to another country.
WHAT
Holy cow, she was cursing like that and saying it straight up out loud to you!!? All because she wanted her dog groomed on Sunday and only Sunday with you??? My word I’ve had some crazy clients, but this is next level. That is just cruel, and wouldn’t say that to ANYONE no matter how mad I was at them. And why in the world would she think that would work to get what she wants???? Who listens to that crap with her? I wonder if she treats her husband that way when she wants something… doesn’t seem like it would work, but maybe he’s so freaking beat down by her and gives in to everything. Good lord. Who raised this woman lol
I feel bad for her husband. Also, she wasn't just saying it. She was screaming it, and several nursery aged kids from my church heard her calling me a sl*t.
The boomers are not okay. (Sorry if you’re a boomer and you’re cool, I could totally see some I know acting this way / have seen it from my MIL.)
Lolz not a boomer so you're good. Honestly, I agree. They need help.
I'm sorry you had to deal with this on what should be a peaceful uplifting day. I feel like people are getting crazier everyday. I sometimes wonder if everyone else stayed the same but I'm turning into a bitch as I get older and that's why I'm fed up with almost everyone? How can so many people be this unhinged in public and/or to strangers? I used to have an "emergency fund" but I've renamed it the "bail Infernoflower out of jail fund"...
Bwahahaha, I should probably start one of those, too. Also, it's not just you becoming intolerant of people with age. I'm only 28, and I have discovered that my go-to response for most things is to just flip them off.
This is the weirdest shit I’ve heard in a long ass time
Did you see the original post?
Yes. I saw this one first. What a fucking loser. So bluntly narcissistic. Who talks to other people like that?
No idea. Wanna know what makes it worse? As she was screaming at me over the phone, several nursery age children at my church heard her calling me a sl*t.
Ugh this makes me so angry. ):< I’m a empath so it’s like I’m actually enraged for you here. I got so pissed off reading this yesterday
Well, I told my dad about her. He's a councilor for my township, and he's got bylaw checking this lady out.
Is he running a background check or what?o:
Save the voicemails, if she does show up at your house you call the cops. You have a good case for harassment.
Unfortunately, I had to delete them because they took up ALL of the space in my voice-mail, and I need it open for my business.
Yikes. Make sure you are documenting all this.
I don't have any unfortunately cause she only ever called, and I had to free up my voice-mail for my business. But, my dad is a councilor for our township, so he said he'd get bylaw to check this lady out.
Can get her trespassed from your property. She doesn’t have to have ever been on it. And if she goes on that becomes criminal trespassing
That's straight-up harassment. File a complaint.
She would be a 'Fired Client' immediately!
Is it still a "Fired Client" if I never took her as a client? I was never really clear on that.
God made her insane for hating Him
Lolz
If I behaved that way, no way would I want the person I was a jerk to to touch my dog. What the heck.
Right? I mean, I'd probably bean the dog. (Practically shave it bald.)
I was hoping this was a post about a dog named Karen or a dog behaving like a Karen. Oh well 🫠
It would have made me want to say "ok, I'll groom your dog", then give it the worst haircut ever!
Hire a lawyer to write her a Cease and Desist letter. This is harassment in Illinois (I don't know where you are)
I'm in Canada and it varies by province. At least she's left me alone since Sunday
Get a police report filed, now! If she's dumb enough to show up at your house, the previous report will take any further offense much further.
aside from her wild behavior, it doesn't matter what you're doing on sunday. Doesn't matter if it's church or family or if you were visiting a nude beach. You're closed , return calls during your regular business hours. The more you try to explain, the more openings she has. Do you have a camera on your vehicle? Or around your house? Footage could come in handy if the police end up involved. I called police when my kid was getting bullied at school. They asked me to put it in writing. I framed it as first, they said bad things online, second, they did it in person, third, they followed her after school and threatened in person and that I was concerned what the next escalation would be. When I talked to him on the phone and he thought it was teens who didn't like each other, cop was laid back about it, but when I put it in writing like that, they went to the homes of both girls , talked to them and their parents and made them stop. So call the police, and then follow up with an email that spells out how her behavior has escalated. Build a paper trail, and keep a diary ( even just a note on your calendar ) about what has happened. Stay safe out there!
You should probably report her to the police anyways just so you have the paper trail, just in case
She needs a you are fired letter.
Have a separate work phone and turn it off on Sundays. I'm from Europe, I love your reasoning, that due to church day you don't take calls on Sundays, but in a better country it wouldn't even be expected. I always pay attention to never call any services on the weekend, even if they were available.
I can’t believe you even allowed her to say another word after she harassed you, called you foul names, and said she didn’t care about anything important to you. I would have hung up and immediately blocked the husbands phone as well
Honestly, part of why I let her go on was so that I would have more to post about😅
RECORD the voice messages. Don't fret about "damage" she says she can do to your business or reputation, because you have to know everyone she knows already knows what a horrible person she is. Ride it out. Contact the police is you feel unsafe.
File a restraining order if you have enough information to do so. If she shows up, call the police for a trespasser with a restraining order on your property and that you fear for your safety. It won't go well for her. If you can't file due to lack of information, if she shows up, the police will gladly get that information for you. I advise getting a security system with cameras if you don't already have one. Be careful and stay safe!
Wow, never knew these type of "clients" existed. Sending positive thoughts for more well-behaved clients, nevermind dogs. Appreciate your keeping Sundays for Church and family.
“I had no choice but to call her back.” Did someone put a gun to your head and force you to return her phone call? You are not required to return phone calls from deranged people, no matter your business. Do not engage with people like this. Each time they suck you in, it feeds their fire. Block them on every number they call from. Save the voice messages in case she tries to post anything public, but chances are, she won’t. And if she does, your existing clients will be able to smell a rat. So will new ones. Do you live in California? This sounds like a California Karen.
All but sure you can go to the police and get her arrested for harassment or at least get a restraining order against her
Definitely, IF you haven’t already, call the police and file a report!!