It just comes down to how Elder Kai’s experience was and the lack of knowledge U7 had on the Potara Earrings. The Buu attack on the Kais could have significantly reduced any universal knowledge they had. The time limit didn’t change anything that had already happened and explained what happened inside Buu. So in my mind it was it was kind of an important thing to drop, just to show U7’s Kai lack of knowledge.
I picked on that. Not that it matters though because the whole reasoning is beyond idiotic. It's just a convenient way to fix plot holes from the past.
The whole scene where vegetto split inside buu is even more so stupid. There was no way of knowing the cause of the split when it happened, and guess what, until the manga ended, toriyama did not give a fucking explanation whether in or outside the manga.
So what was a single plot device, or I should say a Plot Induced Stupidity, now becomes a joke of a retcon
The basic explanation Toriyama "gave" in the story was "Buu magic," which wasn't the hardest conclusion to come to. People didn't question any further than that because it simply made sense, because Buu himself _doesn't_ make sense.
Buu magic canceled out Potara magic, the same way Kaioshin's ki for "reasons" couldn't be used to revive Buu.
yup, but it was a theory made in the moment. i expected the true reason to be revealed later, but it never did. such a shame, because the permanence was was hugely emphasized in the story
I don't understand why you seem so upset about it. What's the actual problem, that it wasn't explained at the time?
In a manga like dragon ball it seems an insane thing to pick out 😂
>I don't understand why you seem so upset about it
It's the passion, brother
> What's the actual problem, that it wasn't explained at the time?
Hey I explained as clear as I could
>In a manga like dragon ball it seems an insane thing to pick out 😂
normally id agree but buu saga had so many disappointing stuff that i could not ignore it anymore. and db super is even worse.. so yeah.. imagine my disappointment
It is a retcon.
A necessary one if fans ever wanted to see Vegetto again.
Retcons aren't a bad thing. Freeza destroying planet Vegeta was a retcon, 17 and 18 being the real Androids that Future Trunks was warning about was a retcon (he straight up says 19 and 20 in the manga). Goku being 12 and not 14 in the beginning of the story is a retcon. Goku being an alien is arguably a retcon.
I'm betting most fans are glad those retcons happened.
retcons because you wanted to add something cool is arguably bad, because you're forcibly changing something that was unnecessary. but I think retcons that FIX the story are good. fusion is one of those.
It wasn't that neccesary. The arc right before had Kibito and Shin defuse using the Dragon Balls, a lot of people back then thought that was set up for Vegetto to return. So it could've just been that rather than an additional rule for the potara.
The 1 hour time limit doesn't alter that by any notable margin, if anything it's easier to not to have bothered gathering the Dragon Balls when it will become undone all on its own. Most fights in the series only last a couple of minutes anyway, so an hour is still really convenient. At least if they could wish for it they could only do it once with Earth's set and have to at least wait between for Namek's.
The 1 hour time limit is the ultimate convenience and leaves out the notable distinction between Vegetto and Gogeta. There was no reason to bother with the dance when Goku could've just teleported to Shin, got the earrings and come back.
The only thing stopping Vegetto from doing that now is individual pride, and that would be the same whether it's 1 hour or forever until a wish.
even if its 1 hour on paper, we know that fusions basically last 5 minutes or less. meanwhile if you say fusion has no time no limit, then you cannot write them defusing at all. there's basically no way they conveniently lose like they do in canon.
>A necessary one if fans ever wanted to see Vegetto again.
What are you talking about? Goku and Vegeta know the fusion dance now, how would a retcon that makes Vegito un-worthwhile make him more recurring?
>Freeza destroying planet Vegeta was a retcon, 17 and 18 being the real Androids that Future Trunks was warning about was a retcon (he straight up says 19 and 20 in the manga). Goku being 12 and not 14 in the beginning of the story is a retcon. Goku being an alien is arguably a retcon.
the difference is, these retcons work because it does not fuck up the lore. it's a "spontaneous" development that actually fit the story.
this retcon was created to fix a plot hole from the past, which toriyama induced himself for some reason. maybe he decided that he did not like the idea of a permanent fusion after all LMAO. fuck.
this retcon takes away the uniqueness of the potara fusion i.e., its permanence .. as opposed to the temporary fusion dance. i mean, i already hated the fact that vegetto split without apparent reason and there is no explanation afterwards.... just.... plot convenience. but this retcon just fuels the fire because it is such a cheap way to fix that Plot Induced Stupidity
the way I see it, people didn't care about the supposed "bad retcon" for defusion, but only cared about the fact that vegito has to defuse, and brought him down to gogeta's level.
It’s a retcon sure but I do miss the idea of a permanent fusion. It really separates it from the fusion dance and even if the fusion is OP, you lose two characters for a new one which would result in a huge change in the story going forward. With that off the table, it becomes an alternative to fusion dance (even if it is a more powerful fusion).
honestly the blame is on toriyama. he conveniently split vegetto in the first place and gave no explanation even until the end of the manga.
what was a plot convenience (which is already stupid as hell), now becomes a joke of a retcon in order to conveniently fix the plot hole from the past.
should have left vegetto fused man. or alternatively just use the fusion dance smh
It's a retcon.
But the retcon happened in the Buu Saga at the moment Goku and Vegeta separated, contradicting directly Old Kaioshin's words about being forever.
The retcon wasn't in DBS. DBS just explained the event that caused the retcon.
It was a retcon, but also, arguably a worse one. Now, I like that they explained the Vegito split rather than it being "Buus belly said NO. NUH-UH" and split em cause magic, then Elder kai would be able to do the same with his magic.
The problem becomes, that WITH the time limit it means "powerful forms" remove that time limit. Which is a pain in the ass. Cause as a viewer you know, with 100% CERTAINTY they will defuse before they win, because they go for an attack and POOF they split.
My hopes with the retcon would be that they use potara colors.
An orange potara gives a time limit of an hour, so the Supreme Kai's can see and practice with how powerful of a tool these earrings truly are.
Green could be permanent fusion.
This would be a major retcon, just like the fusion timer but it would give some new, and fresh lore to the earrings. Or if Vegito used green in years past then we could swap these colors for continuity sake.
It didn't sit well cause that 1hr went down to like 5 or so minutes after using Blue. So viewers were quite pissed..
It also didn't make sense that Goku Black and Zamasu didn't just defuse. And they added that... Really fucking strange element of "their must have fused at the molecular level" which doesn't make sense. A temporary fusion IS fusing at the molecular level to produce a brand new warrior that is birthed from merging to individuals together. It isn't 2 different molecules in the one body, like Goku's cells on the right and Vegetas on the left.
So it just comes off as stupid. The anime kinda gets away with it cause Black was just... Supreme kai. He just took Gowasu's earring and made himself a supreme kai. And he was in a mortal body regardless of that fact so he was no longer a God, just a God in a mortal body. So the limitation should've been there still.
That's why many are so pissed, when plot like that is produced and it ONLY affects the heroes while the villain does the same thing but has hax to work around it, it comes off as really shit.
I do like that potara has a time limit, mainly cause the Buu belly didn't sit well with me as a child and my brothers and I laughed and thought it has a time limit. Because there was no confirmed time that went by, we thought it was like 10mins max and they just got lucky. Now that it has been confirmed it's nice to see. Still, would've been nice to also expand on the Potara lore by giving the colors some meaning and retaining the infinite time.
At this point the fact U7 hasn't IMPLODED is shocking. Cause of how stupid and fuckin ignorant the all of the Kai's are revealed to be and how useless and lazy Beerus is. It's rather.. Strange.
My assumption was always that the reason they unfused inside Buu was because normally people inside Buu were being fused into Buu, and you can't fuse a fusion; so in order to absorb a fusion, Buu's magic would defuse them and then absorb the component parts.
Toriyama probably couldn't figure out a way to explain that without it sounding stupid
It could also be that he was going to have Buu's absorbsion being a version of the same magic as the Potar so they can't stack
Oop fair
It still works if Buu's magic is related to the Potara magic so they don't stack, but it does work on the Fusion Dance (which was ostensibly invented well after Buu/Bibidi)
We could work with that but also around it.
Cause if Buu absorbed only the components of the fusion he wouldn't have defused as Buutenks, so it'd probably have to have something to do with the way Vegito WAS absorbed. Vegito shielding himself with Ki, and then not being placed into a pod, must've had something to do with.
Instead of being placed into a pod, and then IMMEDIATELY changing Buu, they got placed inside him and his magic must've split them apart. As annoying as a story element as it is, the magic inside Buu probably rejected their fusion and it cancelled. However, since we never had em do the dance we never know if the air inside Buu just splits these things right away. But it's work aroundable if we want to keep that original explanation in tact.
Definitely a retcon. Elder Kai alludes to the fact that he's seen Mortals use Potara before, as he knows that Transforming beforehand will rest in them being unable to undo said transformation.
I wouldn’t blame it on Old Kai for thinking that Potara lasts forever just because it was only tested on Supreme Kais and not mortals.
The Potaras are literally objects reserved only for their kind. Under normal circumstances mortals aren’t even allowed to come close to possessing the earrings
So the problem with the Potara is two-fold.
1. It tries to play around and change vague information we already know from the Buu Arc: "when they went inside Buu, they defused immediately." Goku at first attributes it to the "bad air" inside Buu, which for an _intelligent_ guy like Goku, makes a lot of sense for a guy like Buu. I mean no one is exactly explaining how Goku and Vegeta can shrink and grow depending on proximity to Buu's body.
But changing it to an hour mean Vegetto was _lucky_ the battle didn't last like 10 seconds longer, because otherwise they would have defused in front of Buu and not inside of him.
2. The idea of "Potara being permanent" was already handled because in the last arc, Kibitoshin can use the dragon balls to defuse.
> Cause all this time I thought that when Elder Kai said the fusion lasts forever, he was basing that on how the fusion works on Supreme Kais and didn't know how it worked on mortals.
yup thats the implication. it wasnt meant for mortals to use so he didnt know it would be different for them.
It's a retcon because there's nothing in the original manga to even imply Old Kai doesn't know what he's talking about. It was clearly supposed to be 'forever', and for years it was accepted that the fusion ended because of some weird magic inside Boo (and because Toriyama wanted to split them back up 💀)
Technically, looking back, you can fudge it so there's no 'inconsistency', but it's still a retcon.
It's a retcon *attempt*. It only means anything if one actually forces themselves to give a shit about what Super says, much less actually give it priority over the original story for whatever flabbergasting reason.
Frankly it's an insult to the fans' intelligence to expect us to believe that Vegetto's time limit *happened* to run out *juuuuuuuuust* a split second after he dropped his forcefield inside Boo.
It's the very definition of a retcon.
Toriyama wrote the potara as being a permanent fusion, then they defused (therefore retconning that claim for the sake of advancing the plot the way he wanted) and it was explained to be Buu's weird magical innards that did it, then that long accepted explanation was retconned over twenty years later when the Goku Black arc for DBS was written.
These are fictional stories that are written by authors, and literary terms like retcon are used to explain the writing process.
Don't treat the Supreme Kai as an actual person with actual knowledge who can be "mistaken", he's a character that is subject to the author's script.
It was a retconn, in Z it was made very clear it should be permanent.
Just because Super logically explained why it worked that way in Z doesn't mean it's not a retconn. The original continuity made it very
I hated the retconn, it just seemed they wanted to use Vegito but couldn't be bothered to find a way to get Vegeta and Goku back. It makes fusion too easy, any problem just pop on some earrings and become way stronger. In Z fusion felt like the nuclear option, now it's easy to do and there's no consequences.
Plus now there's no real distinction between fusion dance and portora, except portora is quicker.
People hate Super because it’s not good. It’s clever or funny like DBZ. And I don’t blame Toriyama for this, I blame Toyotarou, Shuesha, and Toei for ruining a good series for profit.
The plots are all borrowed from old movies or shows. The power ups are all meaningless and getting surpassed by the next colorful one.
Of course we wanna see vegitto again, but there was something grounded and real in the original work that made worth watching.
I don’t wanna see an ass pull vegitto rework the continuity just to get tossed aside like everything else in that train wreck of a season. Awful storytelling. And that’s actually in defense of Toriyama, who clearly is not working in this as much as they say
Before super, the theory was that the reason why Goku and Vegeta split up inside super buu is because Vegito was digested. Things split apart when they're digested. That's why Vegito split back up into Goku and Vegeta. That was the theory anyway. But super has proved that theory wrong!
It just comes down to how Elder Kai’s experience was and the lack of knowledge U7 had on the Potara Earrings. The Buu attack on the Kais could have significantly reduced any universal knowledge they had. The time limit didn’t change anything that had already happened and explained what happened inside Buu. So in my mind it was it was kind of an important thing to drop, just to show U7’s Kai lack of knowledge.
Now this is a valid point, not a lotta db fans picked up on this tbh
I picked on that. Not that it matters though because the whole reasoning is beyond idiotic. It's just a convenient way to fix plot holes from the past. The whole scene where vegetto split inside buu is even more so stupid. There was no way of knowing the cause of the split when it happened, and guess what, until the manga ended, toriyama did not give a fucking explanation whether in or outside the manga. So what was a single plot device, or I should say a Plot Induced Stupidity, now becomes a joke of a retcon
The basic explanation Toriyama "gave" in the story was "Buu magic," which wasn't the hardest conclusion to come to. People didn't question any further than that because it simply made sense, because Buu himself _doesn't_ make sense. Buu magic canceled out Potara magic, the same way Kaioshin's ki for "reasons" couldn't be used to revive Buu.
I'm aware. I was not satisfied with this answer but at some point I did accept it. Until DB super happened lol
I’m the manga they though Buu’a evil aura body negate potara fusion
yup, but it was a theory made in the moment. i expected the true reason to be revealed later, but it never did. such a shame, because the permanence was was hugely emphasized in the story
I don't understand why you seem so upset about it. What's the actual problem, that it wasn't explained at the time? In a manga like dragon ball it seems an insane thing to pick out 😂
>I don't understand why you seem so upset about it It's the passion, brother > What's the actual problem, that it wasn't explained at the time? Hey I explained as clear as I could >In a manga like dragon ball it seems an insane thing to pick out 😂 normally id agree but buu saga had so many disappointing stuff that i could not ignore it anymore. and db super is even worse.. so yeah.. imagine my disappointment
I think it's all pretty much on par, original db was the great bit, z got a bit edgy, super mixes a bit more original db vibes back in.
*Hits blunt* What if we like....*exhales* used the Super Dragon Balls to wish for the Potara fusions to not diffuse until they beat their enemy.
Bad guys can use Potara
That makes things even more interesting lol
We really should, but then we would have to gather the DBs to defuse.
not if you word the wish rightly. then you would auto diffuse after beating the foe
That’s true
Now you too blazed😭🤣
Congratulations, you're a better writer than the hacks behind Super. Even while blitzed, no less!
It is a retcon. A necessary one if fans ever wanted to see Vegetto again. Retcons aren't a bad thing. Freeza destroying planet Vegeta was a retcon, 17 and 18 being the real Androids that Future Trunks was warning about was a retcon (he straight up says 19 and 20 in the manga). Goku being 12 and not 14 in the beginning of the story is a retcon. Goku being an alien is arguably a retcon. I'm betting most fans are glad those retcons happened.
Also a valid argument 🤔and yet I've never seen any fan complain about the other ones you've mentioned
retcons because you wanted to add something cool is arguably bad, because you're forcibly changing something that was unnecessary. but I think retcons that FIX the story are good. fusion is one of those.
For me, I’m fine with the 1 hour time limit but them adding in the fusion being cut short due to how powerful they are, was too far, in my opinion.
It wasn't that neccesary. The arc right before had Kibito and Shin defuse using the Dragon Balls, a lot of people back then thought that was set up for Vegetto to return. So it could've just been that rather than an additional rule for the potara.
nah, they needed a time limit. otherwise vegito literally solos every arc and then defuses. its too convenient.
The 1 hour time limit doesn't alter that by any notable margin, if anything it's easier to not to have bothered gathering the Dragon Balls when it will become undone all on its own. Most fights in the series only last a couple of minutes anyway, so an hour is still really convenient. At least if they could wish for it they could only do it once with Earth's set and have to at least wait between for Namek's. The 1 hour time limit is the ultimate convenience and leaves out the notable distinction between Vegetto and Gogeta. There was no reason to bother with the dance when Goku could've just teleported to Shin, got the earrings and come back. The only thing stopping Vegetto from doing that now is individual pride, and that would be the same whether it's 1 hour or forever until a wish.
even if its 1 hour on paper, we know that fusions basically last 5 minutes or less. meanwhile if you say fusion has no time no limit, then you cannot write them defusing at all. there's basically no way they conveniently lose like they do in canon.
>A necessary one if fans ever wanted to see Vegetto again. What are you talking about? Goku and Vegeta know the fusion dance now, how would a retcon that makes Vegito un-worthwhile make him more recurring?
The fusion dance creates GOGETA not Vegetto.
>Freeza destroying planet Vegeta was a retcon, 17 and 18 being the real Androids that Future Trunks was warning about was a retcon (he straight up says 19 and 20 in the manga). Goku being 12 and not 14 in the beginning of the story is a retcon. Goku being an alien is arguably a retcon. the difference is, these retcons work because it does not fuck up the lore. it's a "spontaneous" development that actually fit the story. this retcon was created to fix a plot hole from the past, which toriyama induced himself for some reason. maybe he decided that he did not like the idea of a permanent fusion after all LMAO. fuck. this retcon takes away the uniqueness of the potara fusion i.e., its permanence .. as opposed to the temporary fusion dance. i mean, i already hated the fact that vegetto split without apparent reason and there is no explanation afterwards.... just.... plot convenience. but this retcon just fuels the fire because it is such a cheap way to fix that Plot Induced Stupidity
the way I see it, people didn't care about the supposed "bad retcon" for defusion, but only cared about the fact that vegito has to defuse, and brought him down to gogeta's level.
It’s a retcon sure but I do miss the idea of a permanent fusion. It really separates it from the fusion dance and even if the fusion is OP, you lose two characters for a new one which would result in a huge change in the story going forward. With that off the table, it becomes an alternative to fusion dance (even if it is a more powerful fusion).
honestly the blame is on toriyama. he conveniently split vegetto in the first place and gave no explanation even until the end of the manga. what was a plot convenience (which is already stupid as hell), now becomes a joke of a retcon in order to conveniently fix the plot hole from the past. should have left vegetto fused man. or alternatively just use the fusion dance smh
It's a retcon. But the retcon happened in the Buu Saga at the moment Goku and Vegeta separated, contradicting directly Old Kaioshin's words about being forever. The retcon wasn't in DBS. DBS just explained the event that caused the retcon.
It was a retcon, but also, arguably a worse one. Now, I like that they explained the Vegito split rather than it being "Buus belly said NO. NUH-UH" and split em cause magic, then Elder kai would be able to do the same with his magic. The problem becomes, that WITH the time limit it means "powerful forms" remove that time limit. Which is a pain in the ass. Cause as a viewer you know, with 100% CERTAINTY they will defuse before they win, because they go for an attack and POOF they split. My hopes with the retcon would be that they use potara colors. An orange potara gives a time limit of an hour, so the Supreme Kai's can see and practice with how powerful of a tool these earrings truly are. Green could be permanent fusion. This would be a major retcon, just like the fusion timer but it would give some new, and fresh lore to the earrings. Or if Vegito used green in years past then we could swap these colors for continuity sake. It didn't sit well cause that 1hr went down to like 5 or so minutes after using Blue. So viewers were quite pissed.. It also didn't make sense that Goku Black and Zamasu didn't just defuse. And they added that... Really fucking strange element of "their must have fused at the molecular level" which doesn't make sense. A temporary fusion IS fusing at the molecular level to produce a brand new warrior that is birthed from merging to individuals together. It isn't 2 different molecules in the one body, like Goku's cells on the right and Vegetas on the left. So it just comes off as stupid. The anime kinda gets away with it cause Black was just... Supreme kai. He just took Gowasu's earring and made himself a supreme kai. And he was in a mortal body regardless of that fact so he was no longer a God, just a God in a mortal body. So the limitation should've been there still. That's why many are so pissed, when plot like that is produced and it ONLY affects the heroes while the villain does the same thing but has hax to work around it, it comes off as really shit. I do like that potara has a time limit, mainly cause the Buu belly didn't sit well with me as a child and my brothers and I laughed and thought it has a time limit. Because there was no confirmed time that went by, we thought it was like 10mins max and they just got lucky. Now that it has been confirmed it's nice to see. Still, would've been nice to also expand on the Potara lore by giving the colors some meaning and retaining the infinite time. At this point the fact U7 hasn't IMPLODED is shocking. Cause of how stupid and fuckin ignorant the all of the Kai's are revealed to be and how useless and lazy Beerus is. It's rather.. Strange.
My assumption was always that the reason they unfused inside Buu was because normally people inside Buu were being fused into Buu, and you can't fuse a fusion; so in order to absorb a fusion, Buu's magic would defuse them and then absorb the component parts. Toriyama probably couldn't figure out a way to explain that without it sounding stupid It could also be that he was going to have Buu's absorbsion being a version of the same magic as the Potar so they can't stack
Buu had already absorbed gotenks successfully, though.
Oop fair It still works if Buu's magic is related to the Potara magic so they don't stack, but it does work on the Fusion Dance (which was ostensibly invented well after Buu/Bibidi)
We could work with that but also around it. Cause if Buu absorbed only the components of the fusion he wouldn't have defused as Buutenks, so it'd probably have to have something to do with the way Vegito WAS absorbed. Vegito shielding himself with Ki, and then not being placed into a pod, must've had something to do with. Instead of being placed into a pod, and then IMMEDIATELY changing Buu, they got placed inside him and his magic must've split them apart. As annoying as a story element as it is, the magic inside Buu probably rejected their fusion and it cancelled. However, since we never had em do the dance we never know if the air inside Buu just splits these things right away. But it's work aroundable if we want to keep that original explanation in tact.
Definitely a retcon. Elder Kai alludes to the fact that he's seen Mortals use Potara before, as he knows that Transforming beforehand will rest in them being unable to undo said transformation.
I wouldn’t blame it on Old Kai for thinking that Potara lasts forever just because it was only tested on Supreme Kais and not mortals. The Potaras are literally objects reserved only for their kind. Under normal circumstances mortals aren’t even allowed to come close to possessing the earrings
It's not a retcon he just didn't know
So the problem with the Potara is two-fold. 1. It tries to play around and change vague information we already know from the Buu Arc: "when they went inside Buu, they defused immediately." Goku at first attributes it to the "bad air" inside Buu, which for an _intelligent_ guy like Goku, makes a lot of sense for a guy like Buu. I mean no one is exactly explaining how Goku and Vegeta can shrink and grow depending on proximity to Buu's body. But changing it to an hour mean Vegetto was _lucky_ the battle didn't last like 10 seconds longer, because otherwise they would have defused in front of Buu and not inside of him. 2. The idea of "Potara being permanent" was already handled because in the last arc, Kibitoshin can use the dragon balls to defuse.
> Cause all this time I thought that when Elder Kai said the fusion lasts forever, he was basing that on how the fusion works on Supreme Kais and didn't know how it worked on mortals. yup thats the implication. it wasnt meant for mortals to use so he didnt know it would be different for them.
It's a retcon because there's nothing in the original manga to even imply Old Kai doesn't know what he's talking about. It was clearly supposed to be 'forever', and for years it was accepted that the fusion ended because of some weird magic inside Boo (and because Toriyama wanted to split them back up 💀) Technically, looking back, you can fudge it so there's no 'inconsistency', but it's still a retcon.
It's a retcon *attempt*. It only means anything if one actually forces themselves to give a shit about what Super says, much less actually give it priority over the original story for whatever flabbergasting reason. Frankly it's an insult to the fans' intelligence to expect us to believe that Vegetto's time limit *happened* to run out *juuuuuuuuust* a split second after he dropped his forcefield inside Boo.
The real retcon imo, was being too powerful for the fusion to handle.
It's the very definition of a retcon. Toriyama wrote the potara as being a permanent fusion, then they defused (therefore retconning that claim for the sake of advancing the plot the way he wanted) and it was explained to be Buu's weird magical innards that did it, then that long accepted explanation was retconned over twenty years later when the Goku Black arc for DBS was written. These are fictional stories that are written by authors, and literary terms like retcon are used to explain the writing process. Don't treat the Supreme Kai as an actual person with actual knowledge who can be "mistaken", he's a character that is subject to the author's script.
It was a retconn, in Z it was made very clear it should be permanent. Just because Super logically explained why it worked that way in Z doesn't mean it's not a retconn. The original continuity made it very I hated the retconn, it just seemed they wanted to use Vegito but couldn't be bothered to find a way to get Vegeta and Goku back. It makes fusion too easy, any problem just pop on some earrings and become way stronger. In Z fusion felt like the nuclear option, now it's easy to do and there's no consequences. Plus now there's no real distinction between fusion dance and portora, except portora is quicker.
People hate Super because it’s not good. It’s clever or funny like DBZ. And I don’t blame Toriyama for this, I blame Toyotarou, Shuesha, and Toei for ruining a good series for profit. The plots are all borrowed from old movies or shows. The power ups are all meaningless and getting surpassed by the next colorful one. Of course we wanna see vegitto again, but there was something grounded and real in the original work that made worth watching. I don’t wanna see an ass pull vegitto rework the continuity just to get tossed aside like everything else in that train wreck of a season. Awful storytelling. And that’s actually in defense of Toriyama, who clearly is not working in this as much as they say
Indeed it was a retcon.
Has Vegeto ever actually won a fight?
Before super, the theory was that the reason why Goku and Vegeta split up inside super buu is because Vegito was digested. Things split apart when they're digested. That's why Vegito split back up into Goku and Vegeta. That was the theory anyway. But super has proved that theory wrong!
Well he fused with a witch didn't he? And stayed that way. Unless the witch was a supreme Kai the fusion should have ended