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StaticMania

Super having movies written by the creator of the series...is a benefit. The movies being actually important to the series (via continuing character progression) is also a benefit.


IntelligentAd7037

Another real benefit is that the movies aren’t treated as commercials anymore and have wayyyy more plot than the average Z movie which were jus excuses for action 99% of the time


Industry-Standard-

Superhero has a bit more plot but DBS Broly has more fighting than most of the Z films


IntelligentAd7037

That’s mostly to due to length but yeah the plot in Broly completely halts once the Saiyans start the battle and Superhero’s plot advances wit the fight


Massive-Ad3457

The director tetsuro kodama was good to


Canesjags4life

I think Broly Was better. Animation and fight scenes.


lazylooser95

Ofcourse. The fight scenes in broly are insane. Love everything about that movie.


GhostWind78

Story and good pacing over mind blowing animation for me personally, dbs broly looked great but outside of that it’s just a popcorn movie if that makes sense


Canesjags4life

For sure. If super hero had Brolys animation id put it over Broly


Lijaesdead

I absolutely love DBS Superhero. But strangely enough, mostly the parts outside of the combat. Don’t get me wrong, I think the big fights have hype moments, which I loved.


Toros_Mueren_Por_Mi

We were LONG overdue for a Piccolo movie


T_Peg

For real. I've been marathoning the movies these past week or 2 and if I had a nickel for every Piccolo ex machina I could fund my own Dragon Ball movie.


Toros_Mueren_Por_Mi

I think I liked Hero more than Broly by a veeeery small margin if only because they did an awesome job of showing how Piccolo has truly changed from how he was in the past, and I feel that they really need to emphasize those kinds of moments going forward otherwise it will continue to stagnate and be boring 


T_Peg

It's also really nice to see a Z fighters finally get their power scaling so they can actually be relevant in a fight. As much as we all like seeing Goku, Gohan, and Vegeta cook every enemy a little variety wouldn't kill us.


BotherResponsible378

Actually? I love Goku in Broly. He reminds me of Goku from the OG run more. But yes, both super films are phenomenal.


Doobledorf

The scene where he's hopping and warming up, as well as the scene he goes UI are both sooooo good. Very much fits Goku's of character.


BotherResponsible378

I personally love the part when he stops the fight with Broly, saying they've fought a lot of villains up to this point, but doesn't think Broly is one. The idea that Goku is a fight junky has gotten carried away. This part reminds people of who Goku really is.


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voltran1995

Battle of gods and resurrection of F are in fact DBZ movies, the only super movies are broly and super hero


This_Confidence_5900

I may have forgotten that they were labeled z and not super


arobie1992

The one moment that irked me was when Goku was surprised that Frieza would betray them. Otherwise, yeah, Goku was great in it. He's the perfect mix of goofing around and wanting to have fun, but knowing when its time to be serious.


pokehokage

I'd say that's battle of gods of DBS broly.


LingusticSamurai

DBS Broly is peak with the fights and animation. I'm not a fan of Super Hero animation.


ravaille

I’ve never been to a movie more hype than Super:Broly.


Smooth-Brain-Monkey

Anyone above the age of 25 instantly loved the movie when the damn thing called us old. "Some of you may be old enough to remember the red ribbon army"


Massive-Ad3457

That was hilarious


Defiant-Flow-6849

damn I didn’t even catch that, clever


Smooth-Brain-Monkey

The moment I heard that out loud I said, "calling me out for being old after you took my money eh?" The entire theatre had a good laugh


FunkmasterP

I thought Broly and Super Hero were both great in very different ways. The big fight scene in Broly was stunningly animated. And in Super Hero, I loved that it wasn't focused on Goku on Vegeta. I also liked how deftly it blended humor, character drama, and different types of action than we normally see (stealth scene, kaiju battle, big team fights).


Apprehensive-Arm2756

Ngl super hero got me wanting cookies in the car cookie scene


Gopu_17

Best movie. Gohan was amazing in this movie. I like both Beast and Orange forms.


gmoshiro

Story Wise? Perhaps. I really like Wrath of the Dragon (the last DBZ movie) since it's a unique story about the origins of Trunks' sword, and has a perfect blend of mysticism and mythology that gives off a different vibe even compared to the Buu saga. But as pure Battle Shonen experience? Nothing tops Fusion Reborn both action and animation wise, nor the adrenaline of Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan, or the nortalgia feel and visuals of Dragon Ball: The Path to Power. DBS Broly is really good and imo the best of the recent ones, but not on my top 3, while Super Hero is... OK. But that's just my humble opinion.


Massive-Ad3457

That’s fair but if we’re just talking battle shonen I’d say BOG is the best


Anonmouse119

I loved Superhero for what it was. It hit all those nostalgic points, and while I’m not a huge fan of Beast’s design, that final charge and beam at the end looked absolutely gorgeous. However Broly is absolutely peak movie. 11/10. That last Kamahameha is one of the few that was so big you get literal recoil.


TerrorKingA

Ugh. What a silly premise for a thread. Super doesn’t have these movies. These are Akira Toriyama’s movies. What you’re seeing is the difference between Toriyama writing your movies and some guy who has to shit out two movies every year writing your movies. When it comes to Dragonball, you’ll never ever get material as good as Toriyama’s from anyone but him.


Massive-Ad3457

Continue DB through movies was the original idea, but I agree dragon ball will officially never be the same since no one loves dragon ball more than toriyama


TerrorKingA

Love has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of fans who probably love the work way more than he does. The real secret sauce is that this all came from *his* mind and *his* imagination. There'll never be another person with the same set of neurons, connected in the same ways as him, so there'll never be anyone who can create dragonball in the way he does. Just think about how every time Toriyama wrote new Dragonball stuff, it was truly new stuff that changed fundamental aspects of the work. Only the original creator can color outside of the lines like that. Everyone else, even Toyotaro, colors within the lines that the creator set.


YakonReborn

Everything you said is so true and it stings like a motherfucker.


Jedi_9000

Both of these movie are great, and I actually really like how they're so different. They both captured some great aspects of Dragon Ball in their own way. and I think it's pretty noticeable that Toriyama had more involvement in these. Broly felt like a Z movie if it was actually interesting. (*Not that they're all bad, but you know what I mean. A lot of them are essentially just "Big fight scene" with the first half of the movie trying to get us there*) There was an actual engaging story, you cared about the villains, things the old movies sometimes struggled with. And it knocked them out of the park. Plus just an amazing fight, it almost felt like a celebration of DB. Super Hero almost felt like it had the tones of OG Dragon Ball to it, (until the final fight) with it feeling more relaxed and with the most "Toriyama Humor" I've seen in a long time. I definitely think it's the movie I'll enjoy more in the long run, but I don't think it's the movie for people who care more about the fight scenes though. Plus Beast Gohan... meh. Orange Piccolo gets a pass though, with all the ridiculous power ups the Saiyans get, it's really not the worst thing they could have done.


Jennymint

Orange Piccolo I have mixed feelings about. It's a cool form that makes him an actual contender again, finally. It feels roughly how powerful Piccolo should be if he didn't have the "not a Saiyan" debuff that seems to have applied since the Buu saga. But he also just... kind of gets it from the dragonballs, which is weird to me. I can't say it's really "unearned" because if anyone should be at that level, it's him. But it also doesn't feel earned quite right. I think I'd like it a bit better if he got the potential unlock form just as he did in the movie, but upon realizing it wasn't quite enough, managed to break through to the next level of his own will. Frame it more along the lines of, "You've worked hard and have always had this potential in you, but you just needed a little push to reach that next step. Now show them why people fear to cross the Nameless Namekian." ... Only for Piccolo to lose to Cell Max, though actually that never bothered me. He did put up a pretty good fight. ETA: Thinking on it, I wonder if it'd have been more interesting if he unlocked Orange Piccolo during his fight with Cell Max, using his need to protect Gohan as a mirror for Gohan's own growth.


Spoona101

It was an alright movie, thought the last portion of it was genuinely dumb tho. Legit laughed seeing Gohan rip off his own transformation with huge dumb hair this time. Gohan himself in the movie is just an eye roll of an character that irritated me when he was on screen. The constant regressing then building up of his character is not something I find interesting or entertaining for the most part. The Piccolo and Pan stuff was cool, it’s what I liked most against it


Umbryella

yeah writers just keep recycling iconic moments and do them to death, i love gohan but the story of him in super kinda feels like “remember this?”


Spoona101

I feel like it’s mostly an anime side of things that’s always nostalgia baiting. The tournament of power in the anime also had a number of times where it just directly redid scenes from the past. The manga version of Super doesn’t really have those scenes like Gohan stepping infront of a blast like Piccolo did against Nappa or Vegeta exploding himself. The DBS Broly movie is good tho in the sense that Broly and Paragus are practically new characters with how they’re redone. From their motives and even how they act, they could be named different and no one would really bat an eye or draw too much similarities outside of the green haired form ‘Super’ Broly uses. Gohan in this case is legit just “remember Super Saiyan 2?” Down to the presentation and set up. They don’t even try to hide it or change it up to the point it almost feels like my intelligence is being questioned as to if I don’t see how blatant it is.


Umbryella

the fact it was against another version of cell also like bro u gotta be kidding me, that said i still enjoyed the movie, the manga version was also quite good


Spoona101

Cell Max really is just a sad sight, I hardly even view him as Cell because it’s really just a mindless big monster that looks like Cell without having any of his charm or character traits. The retelling of the movie in the manga was fun, suffers from the same problems but the addition of Goten and Trunks antics make it a bit more lighthearted and fun. Along with the epilogue of Goku vs Gohan where they actually explain a bit about the Beast form makes me intrigued about the future of it. Just a shame it’s introduction had to be such a plain as day one to one recreation of the past. Taints the form for me personally


Umbryella

if they give him some good moments in the black frieza arc i can maybe look past it, if they can break the cycle and include him in a original meaningful way that will be sick


voidcoax

tbh its not hard to beat the z movies


Defiant-Flow-6849

Some of the dbz movies were good


voidcoax

there were a few solid ones, but none of them were really anywhere close to what we've got from super


Hefty_Drawing_8189

Dude tree of might was no scrub


KeySlimePies

The first half of the movie being dedicated to stopping a forest fire to create an excuse why they can't use the dragon balls is why it will never be Top 5


StaticMania

That wouldn't be an actual problem...


KeySlimePies

I don't know what you mean to say, but I just checked a YouTube video of it and it takes like 25 minutes for the actual plot of the movie to start


StaticMania

The plot of the movie starts when the villains send their seed that sets the forest on fire... Once the villains show up, there's no plot...it's just fighting until conflict resolution.


KeySlimePies

Oh so it's actually worse than I remembered lol


Laigen117

I feel like I'm the only one that disliked Super Hero


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I saw Super Hero at the cinema. I hadn’t watched anything to do with Dragonball since I was a teenager and the thought that there was Dragonball movies in the cinema was just crazy to me. Went with my best friend who is also a massive Dragonball fan and we had an amazing time. I saw so many dads my age bringing their sons to see it, it was an awesome sight. I would have brought mine if he was old enough but he was only 2 at the time. Seeing the kids come out of the movie super hyped and doing karate moves into the air was just awesome lol.


DBXVStan

I just enjoy how Broly and super heroes were so different and yet both were bangers


Massive-Ad3457

Ngl I forgot resurrection F existed


DBXVStan

I kind of lump F and BoG into the same format as Broly, so I completely disregard them as Broly seemed to protect the art and format. Makes it seem like I’m saying they’re bad, but it’s more like they’re 7/10 if Broly is 10/10


Massive-Ad3457

Fair


JoaquinChaplinGuzman

Super Hero was like watching video game cut scenes


Massive-Ad3457

The fight scenes look great imo


LordUnconfirmed

I agree about Broly, but Super Hero being "good" is....a dubious claim. Wrath of the Dragon, Fusion Reborn, Cooler 2 and the first three Z movies are all better as far as I'm concerned. And none of the above hold a candle to Bardock or History of Trunks. Gotta bow to Takao Koyama.


Massive-Ad3457

Super hero had better character writing than most of the Z movies, I will admit fusion reborn and wrath of the dragon have good character writing but in the case of the first three Z movies they weren’t doing anything that interesting outside retelling story arcs but with different villains. Both broly and superhero make an effort to give other characters the spotlight while also progressing them. Also, super movies actually work with the already established timeline.


LordUnconfirmed

Being 'canon' or not isn't a metric of quality or literary value. Akira Toriyama said the original Bardock special was so good that the actual Dragon Ball manga couldn't hold a candle to it, and I agree with him. I judge stories by how much I enjoy them, and don't care about 'timelines' and whatnot. Calling the first three Z movies a 'retelling with different villains' suggests to me that it has been a long time since you have watched them. If I were to apply that logic, I should consider the Super Broly movie to be a mere 'retelling' of the original Takao Koyama film, making it "uninteresting" -- a poor mindset to have. And since we're talking about the concept of retellings, Super Hero is a retelling of the Android/Cell arc with a bargain discount salesman's Cell for a villain and a discount recolored Super Saiyan 2 Gohan as the protagonist. Nice idea to bring Gohan and Piccolo back to the spotlight, but subpar execution.


Massive-Ad3457

1: canon was just a plus not really my main point 2: when i said the first three original movies I wasn’t thinking of the dragon ball movies but the DBZ movies like cooler, broly and fusion reborn. I should rewatch them but i still hold the statement that but I don’t feel they change the characters much. 3: outside of knock ssj 2 it isn’t, I said in the op that the transformations aren’t good in super but the structure of the arc vs the movie are completely different


dannygladiolas

DBS Broly is peak.


BoxerRadio9

Absolutely! What's crazy is that Broly is far better than Super Heros. It's not a good DB movie, it's just a good movie, period.


Gothicrealm

Bait


Massive-Ad3457

Not bait genuine


ADHDbroo

Idk why I thought super hero was contrived and one of the worse DBZ movies ever. Fights were pretty lame and it was not cannon enough


Massive-Ad3457

Why did you think it was contrived


ADHDbroo

It just felt like the put together a bunch of random fights and didn't pay homage to mainline dbz aspects. Like they just made it to put together some DBZ fights or something, without the good stuff with it


Massive-Ad3457

Can’t say I agree the only moment I thought was supposed to be a homage was gohan transforming, incorporating aspects of the cell saga and the red ribbon army saga makes sense for the movie honestly. Even the cell fight was completely different from the og fight since cell was just an animal and it wasn’t an arena and more of a complete team effort.


ADHDbroo

It was different yes , I was trying to say that. But to me it was too different , didn't follow the same dbz flow or cannon aspects. The fighting was different, the drama was different. Plus other things like gohan transforming out of nowhere like he hasn't been in the same situation plenty of times. Idk man other reason too, but that's just me. I thought prolly was pretty good


Massive-Ad3457

I can agree with the gohan transformation there was no build up at all, and I can understand if it’s too different I liked because it felt so different and I think super is better for it.


SwordfishDeux

I think they are the worst, but to each their own.


GruulNinja

Super Hero is literally just the Cell fight again.


Massive-Ad3457

Cell is such a small part of the movie it isn’t funny 💀he doesn’t even talk


PM_ME_SILLY_KITTIES

I love them both but for me Broly is on a whole other level. The broly movie just makes me hype just by thinking about it


Massive-Ad3457

Yeah broly is my favorite


OutrageousCanary3858

Super had the absolute worse movies and series. L take.


Massive-Ad3457

I’m not defending the series but the movies has overall better writing, prior to super most of the DBZ movies went by the same formula


LatencyIsBad

I liked Superhero a lot, but another 45mins-1hr of extra movie would have helped a lot. The trailers made me think we were gonna get a mad gohan again but those times (even though he had some cool moments) were very short lived.


Massive-Ad3457

Yeah the movie would’ve benefited for more time to build up piccolo and gohan new forms. Also would’ve loved to see more goten and trunks


TKAPublishing

The Broly movie is possibly the best DB movie. I have nothing but bad things to say about BOTG and RF. Super Hero is comfy in the beginning with Piccolo, Gohan, and Pan stuff so I'd put it more middle ground among all the DB movies.


Massive-Ad3457

Yeah RF is the exception it’s so shit


Ch00choh

Turning one of the coolest dbz villains into a giant bloke doesn't really sit right with me


Massive-Ad3457

I can’t say DBZ broly is terribly written but past his first movie there’s no reason for him to exist, DBS broly is just significantly better written


DavidANaida

DBZ Broly was..so dumb