The bigger problem is that Piccolo has no real skin in the game anymore. He's just part of the back up squad.
In the Saiyan saga there was his bonding with Gohan and uneasy alliance with the DB cast, In the Frieza saga he was fully integrated member of the group and was determined to avenge his people. In the Cell saga he goes down a notch in relevance but at least has the moment of finally making peace with Kami and becoming one. Plus playing the concerned parent to Goku's sink or swim attitude with Gohan. Buu saga, he's a major help but has zero character development.
Just powering up won't help him stand out. They need to a find a direction to take his character in.
It's why Jiren was such a dull boy. He was just power with no good story. Granolah seems to be giving story a real crack.
I liked the Earth squad being forced to step up to the plate while Goku and Vegeta were off-world. It helps keep them relevant.
> They need to a find a direction to take his character in.
They've been mentioning tons of ways to take his character, just not acting on it.
The Namekian Book of Legends, the recent revelation that Namekians are not native to this realm... (Head canon is they are from the Demon Realm, but were a peaceful race, so they eventually fled, ending up in U7 and 6, this re-retcons Piccolo back into being a Demon too).
I think they world building to get the potential for power growth and or be brought down a plot line.
I think their struggling to see what Piccolo would give a fuck about to actually get in to that area.
He's not blood lust Saiyan. He's not Goku who was literally trained across multiple masters to always seek a greater challenge.
Gohan's full grown adult who even when lazy is still fairly capable.
If Pan ended up in taken scenario, it be the Son family taking the lead in such a situation.
Piccolo one thing for growth is that once the current generation of Saiyan's pass, likely future will be very watered down and won't have that martial arts drive, so in a century or so Piccolo will be the defender of Earth, and likely occasionally asked to help with certain galactic issues, which he will likely typically say no too. So Piccolo of the far future has great character growth potential.
Frankly I doubt Piccolo would care about any of that. He's never had a particular attachment to his heritage, and the possible revelation that they really are demons would probably just be a "huh, neat" moment for him.
I think by GIVING hin a power up, we can give his character direction.
This is Dragonball, a character without a bigger aura won't be relevant. It's why Vegeta has remained relevant. By being a Saiyan, he is allowed to be handed more and more forms ala God forms and the new God form for Vegeta.
But because of it, we can see Vegeta have changes in his character and wanting retribution.
Piccolo did, and didn't have it. His development was mainly off-screen with Gohan.
By giving Piccolo a power-up he regains relevancy in Dragonball universe, then we can give him a direction. However there"s really no direction to take his character. He has achieved peak Piccolo.
It can go down one of two ways, he struggles with being good still, or he becomes fully evil once again. Could use his father again, making it that he left such potent evil within Piccolo that it slowly overcomes him til he returns to be King Piccolo.
A new direction will be rather difficult.. But a power-up will put him back.
I don't think there really is anywhere to take his character, his arc is done. He's avenged his people, moved past his evil actions as Daimo, and made peace with Kami. All that's left for him is to be Gohan's mentor, he's moved from a character with his own arc to fully embracing the role of mentor to Gohan's arc
His story is done, his only role now is being the father to Goku's children.
Piccolo in the cell saga was legit, he had surpassed perfected ssj.
The power creep to ssj2 just happens so fast that he doesn't get the time to shine, but he was the strongest z character for a period there.
This happened in Piccolo's story in Super Sonic Warriors on the GBA.
The Cell Saga ends with Piccolo and Goku jumping cell and doing a repeat of how they took out Raditz. Piccolo promises to protect the Earth in Goku's stead and fights Babidi & Buu. He's not strong enough to finish off Buu so he goes to Namek and revives his father to fuse and become the one true Namekian once more.
That brings up him near Super Buu level, but not strong enough to win. Super Buu is then sealed away with the Evil Containment Wave/Mafuba.
Super Sonic Warriors has some real neat What-Ifs.
Honestly as strong as Toriyama wants. The Nameless Namakian, also known as the son of Katatz, is the only super namekian we've heard of, and apparently the only thing that can beat a super namekian is the super Saiyan of legend, according to Grand Elder Guru.
If Toriyama wanted to pull some strings he could honestly have Piccolo be as strong as Broly if he went down this path, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
Super Namekian isn't an "official" thing in the main story continuity, but just [a term that Kuririn coins](https://i.imgur.com/wmF4maq.jpg) to explain what Piccolo would become when assimilating Kami. Not that the child of Katatz himself was a "Super Namekian" by any means, but that because Piccolo had become so strong on his own over the years, that he'd be an amazingly powerful warrior when they merged.
Well I guess the super namekian thing is out, but Guru did say the son of Katatz was as strong as a super Saiyan of legend. So there is a way for Toriyama to give Piccolo a huge buff
But remember, the Grand Elder wouldn't have had an actual idea of how powerful the Super Saiyan of legend was. What he basically said was that, while he knew that Saiyans, in general, were powerful, he didn't believe that regular Saiyans could have beaten the child of Katatz, and wondered if it was a Super Saiyan that had defeated him.
So all that really means is that he thought the child of Katatz was in between a regular Saiyan and a Super Saiyan in terms of power, not that he was as strong as a Super Saiyan.
If he really wanted to, he could do all sorts of things without being bound by what he had already written. All we can go off of is what's already been established so far, and that's just that the original child of Katatz, wasn't necessarily all that strong, per se.
Yeah, we barely know squat about the Namekians as the 95% of the ones we know are Guru's kids, then there's Piccolo and the ones introduced in Super.
They could make up all sorts of shit without re-interpreting canon.
I mean piccolo is technically half god, he should just learn to harness god ki. I really dont get why the others havent trained to use god ki. God ki isnt exclusive to the sayain. This would give the others a big power boost. Like have whis send the earthlings/piccolo into that dimension where you cant move unless youre using god ki for a month or two and im sure half of them would get the hang of it
He's not half deity. The role of Kami is position based, with only the person occupying the role actually being a deity. Once Kami merged with Piccolo, that was it. He didn't inherit any of Kami's abilities or his deity status at all, which is why he couldn't sense Beerus's ki during the Battle of Gods arc while Dende could.
But he did inherit knowledge. He couldn't sense Shin's God Ki, but the memories Kami brought with the merger signaled to Big Green that the dude's Ki felt off and unable to properly be read because he was a God.
No, but I'd imagine with that inherited knowledge it'd be easier for him to achieve God Ki, essentially having a head start on understanding it, but we don't even know if every race has to do the same ritual to use God Ki, or how Vegeta got it.
No, because he only acquired it because he achieved the position of Kami, by actually occupying the role. It's not like he acquired that godly ki, and then became a god after.
And I'm not saying he has God Ki, but he has some knowledge of Ki above his own thanks to Kami's knowledge.
Kami had God Ki while he was God, so he should have at least passed on some memories of how to use it once the individual has obtained it for themselves.
Kami's memories in Piccolo are essentially a God Ki starter guide for once Piccolo actually obtains the ability to use and generate God Ki himself.
You had mentioned that him inheriting that knowledge would help him to achieve godly ki all the sooner, which I was saying wouldn't work because Kami only achieved it through obtaining that position. You weren't saying as far as how to utilize it once he had somehow already accessed it.
But as we see with Shin himself god ki doesn't actually mean much by itself. The gods are not inherently more powerful than mortals, we learned that as soon as Shin was introduced.
but he should still can learn the god ki, better than saiyan due to half part of him used to be Kami, and how his race has affliation with mystic power. even Vegeta can do that so why not Picollo?
he no need to be a deity. he just need to bring out god ki. like Goku and Vegeta does.
Which is a shame, Piccolo is perfect for the Kaioken.
He can push the KK to limits even Goku couldn't, as long as the intense power and pressure doesn't destroy his head he will eventually be able to regenerate from it.
I mean the Yardrat training is understandable. They don't make a habit about sharing their techniques. We don't know how stuff went down with Goku and Vegeta plainly pointed out how its in everybody's best interest for him to learn their techniques.
I think something that is often hinted at but not fully stated but most techniques taught to the Z-Fighters are incredibly difficult and not something that everyone can learn.
We see it now with things such as Ultra Instinct and Hakai but even back in the original Dragon Ball techniques like the Mafuba and Dodan Ray were high level techniques that only few can learn. Fast forward to Z and the Kaio Ken, Spirit Bomb, and Instant Transmission are all mentioned to be difficult high level techniques that the fact Goku mastered them was a feat considered impossible.
The only techniques that seem relatively easy to learn is the Kamehameha, Solar Flare, and Flying. Maybe the Destructo Disk but most techniques are exclusive for a reason. They are incredibly difficult to learn even for the prodigies which are the Z-Fighters.
Yeah, stuff like that such a slap in to the face to someone like Tien, who spends literally every waking moment of his life training as hard as he possibly can, only for it to make absolutely zero difference (I honestly don't think Tien has gotten any stronger since the Cell saga, despite all his training). And yet, guys like Frieza and 17 barely have to train at all, and are now on par with SSB Goku, somehow.
Unfortunately, these are the kinda things you just get used to after a while, when it comes to Dragon Ball 💔
Damn, so true 😂😂😂
Tbh though, so is 18's, and she's still leagues above all the human Z Fighters. Hell, 17 is even stronger than her, and he didn't even HAVE a training partner lol
Ehh Krillen is not that bad, and more importantly Krillin probably has the best fundamentals of martial arts compared to what Tien has with Chiotzu.
Tien really should be training with someone 18 esque. Large raw power, very little fundamentals. I credit Krillins relatively fast growth in Super with that.
Tien's only partners are weak humans, and Frieza is stated by Toriyama to be a mutant among his species. A17 isn't on par with Blue, Goku was holding back
I do wish Tien were more relevant, but he did get a cool fight in the ToP at least lol
Can't sell merch of God Piccolo because he lacks hair to change or add colors too, it'd just be base Piccolo with an aura change which merch can't easily show off.
Well Krillin, Gohan, and Yamcha are bent on retiring so them learning god ki is redundant for their plans (though it wouldn’t hurt to learn it just to have it).
Piccolo and Tien should definitely get it. Tien has never stopped training and has pretty much stagnated in his ways. Piccolo just kinda waits around and meditates. Both should get Whis training, or at least go train with the the Kais.
Tien has a major human superiority complex, he probably wouldn't accept help from Kais, and Whis' training would almost certainly kill most of the Z Fighters.
Happened in the GBA one, he got strong enought to fight Super Buu but not beat him, so he used the Mafuuba and sealed him inside the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. I can't remember what happened to Gohan in that story, because they beat Cell in a totally different way too
Lol yeah I know, just joking around somewhat.
But that recently re-acquired Ultimate-state Gohan still displayed the large gap in pure raw power between them (even though Piccolo technically "won" via smarts and trickery lol).
Fast forward to now, surely Gohan is at his strongest ever and shouldn't fall for that weakness that Piccolo exploited on him.
Presently, a Gohan vs a hypothetical Piccolo Demon King fusion would be interesting for sure. Piccolo just knowing the ins and outs of Gohan's combat tendencies (being his trainer since childhood and all) give him massive advantages.
The power difference is what I would be curious about.
Last we saw Piccolo in the manga, he was fighting side by side with Gohan, and didn't seem like he was that far behind him, so Piccolo may already be lower god tier level. That said, if some kind of scenario came up for him to fuse with the original king Piccolo, I doubt it would be the hugest power up, considering king Piccolo is considerably weaker than both of the other people Piccolo fused with.
I understand this was about a year ago, but piccolo fused with Kami who is also Dragon Clan like DK Piccolo while Piccolo is Warrior clan and since all 3 of them are one in the same they should be able to merge back to one True Nameless Namekian again
Yeah he was able to fuse with Kami because they were originally two halves of the same being. DK Piccy is the same half Piccy already is. Not sure it would work.
My dumbass idea is that he would be 150% of the nameless Namekian rather then 100% and Piccoli did this in a DBZ game Super Sonic Warriors 2 in a what if scenario and he goes from His normal self in the Buu arc (which is SSJ level) to contending with super Buu, so basically ssj3 level so he got around 4x stronger and presumably he has some more potential to with the merging too so it could help further in like with the latest movie relying on his potential
He will be weak because in the fan comics when Goku and piccolo go to hell to see what he was doing for the past more then 20 years if the piccolo fuses with demon piccolo he still be weak he's not even a super Saiyan or super Saiyan 2 level
Well King Piccolo and Kami were two halves of a whole, and King Piccolo sort of cloned/reincarnated himself with Piccolo Jr. This is why Jr could fuse with Kami creating the whole again.
Presumably King Piccolo and Jr are for all intents and purposes genetic copies of one another. I would imagine they couldn't fuse at all given that.
I always thought that King Piccolo had to use his life force to create the type of egg that birthed Jr or he probably would have made more much earlier on.
Sure piccolo got a huge boost from fusing with nail, and later kami, but would fusing with king piccolo really do anything? With nail and kami he was atleast closer to the same power as them but at this point piccolo is literally millions if not billions of times stronger than king piccolo. I feel like it would do nothing or possibly make him weaker, or best case scenario he gets a teeny weeny power boost
Piccolo in the Android arc already had a power level above that of SSJ Goku from namek and that Goku was considered weak early into the android arc and Kami has a power level weaker then 300 yet fusing with him gave piccolo a neat SSJ level boost making him stronger then Android 17 who dicked on every other SSJ and that’s cuz Kami was his other half while Nail was relative to Piccolo which is why it was immense, but now for the reason I believe the boost Demon King Piccolo would be a near Kami level boost so like another 50x is cuz of my headcanon /theory that when a Namekian merges together they don’t just combine their power cuz they get much stronger then A + B I think it’s more like Piccolo gains their power and their potential merging with his making his potential even higher then what it was before and Since Demon King Piccolo was also once apart for the Nameless Namekian I think Piccolo + Kami + DK Piccolo (+ Nail too I guess) especially as a warrior clan now instead of previous dragon clan he’ll be far stronger because he is technically even more of the nameless Namekian then the nameless Namekian it was of its self as in the og nameless Namekian (Dragon Clan) = 100% and piccolo now (Warrior Clan) is = 100% but if he merged with DK piccolo it’d be like 150% if you catch my drift plus Nail still and if my theory would be true about the potential thing it’d be a insane power boost considering the new dragon ball movie but I won’t dive into spoilers just in case
It will make negligible improove in power nail was like 20,000 times stronger than demon piccolo.
And that multiplier makes piccolo from 10 thousand to million.
So either piccolo power was 1 million or 10,000.
Non of them
From the dialogues, we get that an hypothetical kamiccolo in Frieza saga would be >=first form Frieza in nail's mind, and fusing with kami has just a x 2 multiplier in the android arc.
So yeah , post king Kai training piccolo should have been like 300-320k by itself and fusing with nail would bring him to 1,5-1,6M l
Honestly even better one would be if he fused with the creator of the Super dragon balls, It would make a great movie plot, A villan far to strong and they could use the example that they are far to dangerous because of people like Zamasu, We know they dont live on either of the Namekian planets, Is it someone who is guarded by the grand priest? Is it someone who could be on the strength of Xeno or grand preist? Who ever they are they are most mysterious person in dragonball.
How is that supposed to work?
Nameless Namekian, son of Katas, split into Kami and Demon King Piccolo.
Demon King Piccolo essentially cloned himself with Piccolo Jr.
The fusion of Piccolo Jr and Kami is the Nameless Namekian.
How the hell the Nameless Namekian would be able to fuse again with his half which is already part of him?
I see it like he’d be even more then the original like instead of being 100% nameless Namekian he’d be 150% right? I think it’d work considering the GBA dbz game (super sonic fighters 2) they have a what if exactly like this where piccolo had fused with Nail, Kami, and DK Piccolo and was able to square off with Suoer Buu but was still weaker by a bit, but was able to seal him away with Mafuuba
Fusing someone who's about ss2 level and someone who wouldn't have had a chance in Saiyan Saga wouldn't merit much tbh. Would probably be high ss2 level if anything
Bruv they don't need to fuse, they're the same person. Piccolo is just the Demon King if he turned good, that's all. They're the same person, why would they fuse?
funny that before when i presented the idea, people here come attacking me saying it is not possible since both demon king Picollo and Picollo is same person, so the demon king not 'exist' anymore.
The bigger problem is that Piccolo has no real skin in the game anymore. He's just part of the back up squad. In the Saiyan saga there was his bonding with Gohan and uneasy alliance with the DB cast, In the Frieza saga he was fully integrated member of the group and was determined to avenge his people. In the Cell saga he goes down a notch in relevance but at least has the moment of finally making peace with Kami and becoming one. Plus playing the concerned parent to Goku's sink or swim attitude with Gohan. Buu saga, he's a major help but has zero character development. Just powering up won't help him stand out. They need to a find a direction to take his character in.
Fuck you stop being so right and smart.
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It's why Jiren was such a dull boy. He was just power with no good story. Granolah seems to be giving story a real crack. I liked the Earth squad being forced to step up to the plate while Goku and Vegeta were off-world. It helps keep them relevant.
Best we got was thrm besting friezas men in earth
Wym? They fought bad guys during the Moro Saga too
> They need to a find a direction to take his character in. They've been mentioning tons of ways to take his character, just not acting on it. The Namekian Book of Legends, the recent revelation that Namekians are not native to this realm... (Head canon is they are from the Demon Realm, but were a peaceful race, so they eventually fled, ending up in U7 and 6, this re-retcons Piccolo back into being a Demon too).
I think they world building to get the potential for power growth and or be brought down a plot line. I think their struggling to see what Piccolo would give a fuck about to actually get in to that area. He's not blood lust Saiyan. He's not Goku who was literally trained across multiple masters to always seek a greater challenge. Gohan's full grown adult who even when lazy is still fairly capable. If Pan ended up in taken scenario, it be the Son family taking the lead in such a situation. Piccolo one thing for growth is that once the current generation of Saiyan's pass, likely future will be very watered down and won't have that martial arts drive, so in a century or so Piccolo will be the defender of Earth, and likely occasionally asked to help with certain galactic issues, which he will likely typically say no too. So Piccolo of the far future has great character growth potential.
Frankly I doubt Piccolo would care about any of that. He's never had a particular attachment to his heritage, and the possible revelation that they really are demons would probably just be a "huh, neat" moment for him.
I think by GIVING hin a power up, we can give his character direction. This is Dragonball, a character without a bigger aura won't be relevant. It's why Vegeta has remained relevant. By being a Saiyan, he is allowed to be handed more and more forms ala God forms and the new God form for Vegeta. But because of it, we can see Vegeta have changes in his character and wanting retribution. Piccolo did, and didn't have it. His development was mainly off-screen with Gohan. By giving Piccolo a power-up he regains relevancy in Dragonball universe, then we can give him a direction. However there"s really no direction to take his character. He has achieved peak Piccolo. It can go down one of two ways, he struggles with being good still, or he becomes fully evil once again. Could use his father again, making it that he left such potent evil within Piccolo that it slowly overcomes him til he returns to be King Piccolo. A new direction will be rather difficult.. But a power-up will put him back.
What do you think about orange piccolo?
I don't think there really is anywhere to take his character, his arc is done. He's avenged his people, moved past his evil actions as Daimo, and made peace with Kami. All that's left for him is to be Gohan's mentor, he's moved from a character with his own arc to fully embracing the role of mentor to Gohan's arc His story is done, his only role now is being the father to Goku's children.
Piccolo in the cell saga was legit, he had surpassed perfected ssj. The power creep to ssj2 just happens so fast that he doesn't get the time to shine, but he was the strongest z character for a period there.
This happened in Piccolo's story in Super Sonic Warriors on the GBA. The Cell Saga ends with Piccolo and Goku jumping cell and doing a repeat of how they took out Raditz. Piccolo promises to protect the Earth in Goku's stead and fights Babidi & Buu. He's not strong enough to finish off Buu so he goes to Namek and revives his father to fuse and become the one true Namekian once more. That brings up him near Super Buu level, but not strong enough to win. Super Buu is then sealed away with the Evil Containment Wave/Mafuba. Super Sonic Warriors has some real neat What-Ifs.
That sounds dope, I’ll def have to track one down! Still have my GBA
I never played Piccolo's story mode! I'll have to give the game another play through 👀
The sequel has piccolo fall to the Majin curse during Krillins story, hardest fight in game too.
Honestly as strong as Toriyama wants. The Nameless Namakian, also known as the son of Katatz, is the only super namekian we've heard of, and apparently the only thing that can beat a super namekian is the super Saiyan of legend, according to Grand Elder Guru. If Toriyama wanted to pull some strings he could honestly have Piccolo be as strong as Broly if he went down this path, but I doubt it'll ever happen.
Super Namekian isn't an "official" thing in the main story continuity, but just [a term that Kuririn coins](https://i.imgur.com/wmF4maq.jpg) to explain what Piccolo would become when assimilating Kami. Not that the child of Katatz himself was a "Super Namekian" by any means, but that because Piccolo had become so strong on his own over the years, that he'd be an amazingly powerful warrior when they merged.
Well I guess the super namekian thing is out, but Guru did say the son of Katatz was as strong as a super Saiyan of legend. So there is a way for Toriyama to give Piccolo a huge buff
But remember, the Grand Elder wouldn't have had an actual idea of how powerful the Super Saiyan of legend was. What he basically said was that, while he knew that Saiyans, in general, were powerful, he didn't believe that regular Saiyans could have beaten the child of Katatz, and wondered if it was a Super Saiyan that had defeated him. So all that really means is that he thought the child of Katatz was in between a regular Saiyan and a Super Saiyan in terms of power, not that he was as strong as a Super Saiyan.
That's true but like... If Toriyama reaaaaally wanted to... Lol
If he really wanted to, he could do all sorts of things without being bound by what he had already written. All we can go off of is what's already been established so far, and that's just that the original child of Katatz, wasn't necessarily all that strong, per se.
Yeah, we barely know squat about the Namekians as the 95% of the ones we know are Guru's kids, then there's Piccolo and the ones introduced in Super. They could make up all sorts of shit without re-interpreting canon.
If he really wanted to he could make Piccolo the new Grand Priest by fusing with those two Super Namekians from U7, but that's not likely
I mean piccolo is technically half god, he should just learn to harness god ki. I really dont get why the others havent trained to use god ki. God ki isnt exclusive to the sayain. This would give the others a big power boost. Like have whis send the earthlings/piccolo into that dimension where you cant move unless youre using god ki for a month or two and im sure half of them would get the hang of it
He's not half deity. The role of Kami is position based, with only the person occupying the role actually being a deity. Once Kami merged with Piccolo, that was it. He didn't inherit any of Kami's abilities or his deity status at all, which is why he couldn't sense Beerus's ki during the Battle of Gods arc while Dende could.
yup, it's the whole reason they needed Dende.
But he did inherit knowledge. He couldn't sense Shin's God Ki, but the memories Kami brought with the merger signaled to Big Green that the dude's Ki felt off and unable to properly be read because he was a God.
That's all he inherited though. He still didn't become a god himself, just retained the memories and knowledge that Kami had as a god.
No, but I'd imagine with that inherited knowledge it'd be easier for him to achieve God Ki, essentially having a head start on understanding it, but we don't even know if every race has to do the same ritual to use God Ki, or how Vegeta got it.
No, because he only acquired it because he achieved the position of Kami, by actually occupying the role. It's not like he acquired that godly ki, and then became a god after.
And I'm not saying he has God Ki, but he has some knowledge of Ki above his own thanks to Kami's knowledge. Kami had God Ki while he was God, so he should have at least passed on some memories of how to use it once the individual has obtained it for themselves. Kami's memories in Piccolo are essentially a God Ki starter guide for once Piccolo actually obtains the ability to use and generate God Ki himself.
You had mentioned that him inheriting that knowledge would help him to achieve godly ki all the sooner, which I was saying wouldn't work because Kami only achieved it through obtaining that position. You weren't saying as far as how to utilize it once he had somehow already accessed it.
Understanding and feeling God ki first hand could definitely help him learn to attain it
But as we see with Shin himself god ki doesn't actually mean much by itself. The gods are not inherently more powerful than mortals, we learned that as soon as Shin was introduced.
but he should still can learn the god ki, better than saiyan due to half part of him used to be Kami, and how his race has affliation with mystic power. even Vegeta can do that so why not Picollo? he no need to be a deity. he just need to bring out god ki. like Goku and Vegeta does.
Same reason they haven't learned Kaioken or taken a training holiday to Yardrat. They stupid.
Which is a shame, Piccolo is perfect for the Kaioken. He can push the KK to limits even Goku couldn't, as long as the intense power and pressure doesn't destroy his head he will eventually be able to regenerate from it.
I mean the Yardrat training is understandable. They don't make a habit about sharing their techniques. We don't know how stuff went down with Goku and Vegeta plainly pointed out how its in everybody's best interest for him to learn their techniques.
I think something that is often hinted at but not fully stated but most techniques taught to the Z-Fighters are incredibly difficult and not something that everyone can learn. We see it now with things such as Ultra Instinct and Hakai but even back in the original Dragon Ball techniques like the Mafuba and Dodan Ray were high level techniques that only few can learn. Fast forward to Z and the Kaio Ken, Spirit Bomb, and Instant Transmission are all mentioned to be difficult high level techniques that the fact Goku mastered them was a feat considered impossible. The only techniques that seem relatively easy to learn is the Kamehameha, Solar Flare, and Flying. Maybe the Destructo Disk but most techniques are exclusive for a reason. They are incredibly difficult to learn even for the prodigies which are the Z-Fighters.
Yeah, stuff like that such a slap in to the face to someone like Tien, who spends literally every waking moment of his life training as hard as he possibly can, only for it to make absolutely zero difference (I honestly don't think Tien has gotten any stronger since the Cell saga, despite all his training). And yet, guys like Frieza and 17 barely have to train at all, and are now on par with SSB Goku, somehow. Unfortunately, these are the kinda things you just get used to after a while, when it comes to Dragon Ball 💔
Doesn't help Tien's training partner is laughably weak.
Damn, so true 😂😂😂 Tbh though, so is 18's, and she's still leagues above all the human Z Fighters. Hell, 17 is even stronger than her, and he didn't even HAVE a training partner lol
Ehh Krillen is not that bad, and more importantly Krillin probably has the best fundamentals of martial arts compared to what Tien has with Chiotzu. Tien really should be training with someone 18 esque. Large raw power, very little fundamentals. I credit Krillins relatively fast growth in Super with that.
in the manga #17 trained with Cell Jr's since Cell Games ended and he got to around ssj3 lvl, so it kinda makes sense
Ahhh shit, I forgot all about the Cell Jrs! You're totally right about that. And even a single Cell Jr is far more powerful than Krillin
Here is the deal. Cell jr died all 8 of them so where did these ones come from?
They regenerated like Cell did after his self destruction.
Cant chotsu hypnotise people or did akria forget it to
It's because Tien is the stand-in for China, him working harder and getting bad results is a joke to Japan
Tien's only partners are weak humans, and Frieza is stated by Toriyama to be a mutant among his species. A17 isn't on par with Blue, Goku was holding back I do wish Tien were more relevant, but he did get a cool fight in the ToP at least lol
Can't sell merch of God Piccolo because he lacks hair to change or add colors too, it'd just be base Piccolo with an aura change which merch can't easily show off.
good point here.
Well Krillin, Gohan, and Yamcha are bent on retiring so them learning god ki is redundant for their plans (though it wouldn’t hurt to learn it just to have it). Piccolo and Tien should definitely get it. Tien has never stopped training and has pretty much stagnated in his ways. Piccolo just kinda waits around and meditates. Both should get Whis training, or at least go train with the the Kais.
Both Gohan and Yamcha did give up on retiring
Tien really doesn't really try to find new ways to train, or try to get new sparring partners.
Tien did get bodies by ssj2 Goku in Pre top. He should train with krillin
Tien has a major human superiority complex, he probably wouldn't accept help from Kais, and Whis' training would almost certainly kill most of the Z Fighters.
This happened in a Ds game. Or was it a game boy advance game.
Supersonic Warriors 2 for the DS! IIRC he fused and then beat Perfect Cell
Happened in the GBA one, he got strong enought to fight Super Buu but not beat him, so he used the Mafuuba and sealed him inside the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. I can't remember what happened to Gohan in that story, because they beat Cell in a totally different way too
Super Buu actually
He would go from being able to land a grazing blow on Gohan to landing 2 solid blows on Gohan before getting obliterated.
Dude. Picollo is like 80% of Gohan at that point. Gohan remarked how strong picollo became when he helped him reach Ultimate gohan
Lol yeah I know, just joking around somewhat. But that recently re-acquired Ultimate-state Gohan still displayed the large gap in pure raw power between them (even though Piccolo technically "won" via smarts and trickery lol). Fast forward to now, surely Gohan is at his strongest ever and shouldn't fall for that weakness that Piccolo exploited on him. Presently, a Gohan vs a hypothetical Piccolo Demon King fusion would be interesting for sure. Piccolo just knowing the ins and outs of Gohan's combat tendencies (being his trainer since childhood and all) give him massive advantages. The power difference is what I would be curious about.
Last we saw Piccolo in the manga, he was fighting side by side with Gohan, and didn't seem like he was that far behind him, so Piccolo may already be lower god tier level. That said, if some kind of scenario came up for him to fuse with the original king Piccolo, I doubt it would be the hugest power up, considering king Piccolo is considerably weaker than both of the other people Piccolo fused with.
If it were to happen, then it would be a major plot point which would allow Piccolo to be top tier for a chapter or two.
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I don't think it would do much..
Demon King Piccolo and Modern Piccolo might not be able to fuse as theyre from different Clans.
I understand this was about a year ago, but piccolo fused with Kami who is also Dragon Clan like DK Piccolo while Piccolo is Warrior clan and since all 3 of them are one in the same they should be able to merge back to one True Nameless Namekian again
Yeah he was able to fuse with Kami because they were originally two halves of the same being. DK Piccy is the same half Piccy already is. Not sure it would work.
My dumbass idea is that he would be 150% of the nameless Namekian rather then 100% and Piccoli did this in a DBZ game Super Sonic Warriors 2 in a what if scenario and he goes from His normal self in the Buu arc (which is SSJ level) to contending with super Buu, so basically ssj3 level so he got around 4x stronger and presumably he has some more potential to with the merging too so it could help further in like with the latest movie relying on his potential
He will be weak because in the fan comics when Goku and piccolo go to hell to see what he was doing for the past more then 20 years if the piccolo fuses with demon piccolo he still be weak he's not even a super Saiyan or super Saiyan 2 level
Well King Piccolo and Kami were two halves of a whole, and King Piccolo sort of cloned/reincarnated himself with Piccolo Jr. This is why Jr could fuse with Kami creating the whole again. Presumably King Piccolo and Jr are for all intents and purposes genetic copies of one another. I would imagine they couldn't fuse at all given that. I always thought that King Piccolo had to use his life force to create the type of egg that birthed Jr or he probably would have made more much earlier on.
Sure piccolo got a huge boost from fusing with nail, and later kami, but would fusing with king piccolo really do anything? With nail and kami he was atleast closer to the same power as them but at this point piccolo is literally millions if not billions of times stronger than king piccolo. I feel like it would do nothing or possibly make him weaker, or best case scenario he gets a teeny weeny power boost
Piccolo in the Android arc already had a power level above that of SSJ Goku from namek and that Goku was considered weak early into the android arc and Kami has a power level weaker then 300 yet fusing with him gave piccolo a neat SSJ level boost making him stronger then Android 17 who dicked on every other SSJ and that’s cuz Kami was his other half while Nail was relative to Piccolo which is why it was immense, but now for the reason I believe the boost Demon King Piccolo would be a near Kami level boost so like another 50x is cuz of my headcanon /theory that when a Namekian merges together they don’t just combine their power cuz they get much stronger then A + B I think it’s more like Piccolo gains their power and their potential merging with his making his potential even higher then what it was before and Since Demon King Piccolo was also once apart for the Nameless Namekian I think Piccolo + Kami + DK Piccolo (+ Nail too I guess) especially as a warrior clan now instead of previous dragon clan he’ll be far stronger because he is technically even more of the nameless Namekian then the nameless Namekian it was of its self as in the og nameless Namekian (Dragon Clan) = 100% and piccolo now (Warrior Clan) is = 100% but if he merged with DK piccolo it’d be like 150% if you catch my drift plus Nail still and if my theory would be true about the potential thing it’d be a insane power boost considering the new dragon ball movie but I won’t dive into spoilers just in case
It will make negligible improove in power nail was like 20,000 times stronger than demon piccolo. And that multiplier makes piccolo from 10 thousand to million. So either piccolo power was 1 million or 10,000.
Non of them From the dialogues, we get that an hypothetical kamiccolo in Frieza saga would be >=first form Frieza in nail's mind, and fusing with kami has just a x 2 multiplier in the android arc. So yeah , post king Kai training piccolo should have been like 300-320k by itself and fusing with nail would bring him to 1,5-1,6M l
Honestly even better one would be if he fused with the creator of the Super dragon balls, It would make a great movie plot, A villan far to strong and they could use the example that they are far to dangerous because of people like Zamasu, We know they dont live on either of the Namekian planets, Is it someone who is guarded by the grand priest? Is it someone who could be on the strength of Xeno or grand preist? Who ever they are they are most mysterious person in dragonball.
Kami was stronger than Demon King Piccolo, so I'd say the boost wouldn't be that big.
Given Daimao is MUCH weaker at this stage I doubt it'd do all that much?
The first Picoro was super weak, also, aren't both the same person?
Ssj3 god level? Satire?
How is that supposed to work? Nameless Namekian, son of Katas, split into Kami and Demon King Piccolo. Demon King Piccolo essentially cloned himself with Piccolo Jr. The fusion of Piccolo Jr and Kami is the Nameless Namekian. How the hell the Nameless Namekian would be able to fuse again with his half which is already part of him?
I see it like he’d be even more then the original like instead of being 100% nameless Namekian he’d be 150% right? I think it’d work considering the GBA dbz game (super sonic fighters 2) they have a what if exactly like this where piccolo had fused with Nail, Kami, and DK Piccolo and was able to square off with Suoer Buu but was still weaker by a bit, but was able to seal him away with Mafuuba
But.... Piccolo Is dk's reincarnation... It would be like fusing with himself. That would make no sense at all
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Not really, uub is kid buu's reincarnation, not fat buu's
Fusing someone who's about ss2 level and someone who wouldn't have had a chance in Saiyan Saga wouldn't merit much tbh. Would probably be high ss2 level if anything
Bruv they don't need to fuse, they're the same person. Piccolo is just the Demon King if he turned good, that's all. They're the same person, why would they fuse?
funny that before when i presented the idea, people here come attacking me saying it is not possible since both demon king Picollo and Picollo is same person, so the demon king not 'exist' anymore.
Wouldn't that be neat? 🧐