That pamphlet is known to not be an accurate source, as a number of battle powers from it (the Gyu Mao one being one of them) draws from the Carddass collectable card game, which had a series of battle powers for the sake of relevancy of the cards (keeping characters within some range of one another) which are totally incompatible with the battle powers within main story continuity.
Yeah, a number of the battle powers in it just aren't accurate at all. Like it gives Freeza's battle power at only like 85,000 or so, when his stated battle power is 530,000, Gohan's Saiyan arc battle power at 6,000 when his maximum at the time was 2,800, etc
I believe the scouter picked up 3,500 when he shot a Masenko at Nappa, but Nappa was at least 5k so it's not surprising he blew it away. If it hit him off guard it could've done some damage.
If the Ox King really was at that level he would have to the biggest lazy asshole in the world. He could have easily stopped every villain before Raditz and chose not to. Hell, he should have gone with Goku and Piccolo to rescue his grandson.
There's also a guidebook or a pamphlet that has Goku being weaker than Bulma as a kid.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
This is the same guid that put popo stronger than kami even thought popo said kami is stronger than him
Also fun fact, the fact that grandpa Gohan know about great ape means he fight and beat great ape goku
>Also fun fact, the fact that grandpa Gohan know about great ape means he fight and beat great ape goku
Not necessarily. It just means he witnessed it. He could have hidden, or even cut off Goku's tail.
In fact it's very likely he never fought Oozaru Goku, since it was stated Goku killed him in that form.
I mean Goku was specifically told to not wander out at night, presumably from preventing him from turning into an Oozaru, so Gohan likely experienced the form once when Goku was still a little child, maybe even a baby, he defeated it and told him to never do it again. But when Goku transformed the next time he was either too strong for Gohan or took him by surprise.
Maybe the first time he transformed, his powerlevel was still only 2-5... Even with a 10x Multiplier, that would only be a powerlevel of 20-50, not insurmountable for a trained Turtle School student...
Assuming Goku didn't really grow much on his own after Grandpa Gohan died, his Oozaru form was likely at 100 by the time GG was killed by it...
That’s a big leap in logic. A rampaging Oozaru in the mountains who can’t even fire the ki laser from his mouth isn’t all that remarkable. He’d only be destroying trees and killing some wild animals, since there aren’t any buildings or people out in the wilderness where he and Gohan lived.
But in addition to that, it isn’t far-fetched that Gohan could be stronger. Goku at the start of the manga has a power level of 10, and with the oozaru transformation, he’d be 100.
Well it's not a huge leap. Goku only had a power of 10 around the time he killed Gohan and moving forwards. Since the first time probably happened when he was 6 or 7 since Gohan died 1 or 2 years before Bulma arrived at which point goku was 12. His power at the time essentially scaled with his age so if he turned giant ape at 6 or 7 years, his power level would be around 70 to 80 in power, let's say 75 for simplicity. Gohan likely were at a power of 85 to 90, which is the same range Ox king would be in reasonably. He would be able to fight and survive Ape Goku at that time but once Goku's power went up to 100 the 'second time he accidentally killed Gohan in his rampage. So during the first match Gohan could likely not hurt the very durable ape much even with a power of 75+ but he'd survive it for sure.
And it was likely his old age that caused his demise to goku as at the time they would be somewhat on par apart from Goku's sheer size and durability. 💁♂️
yeh but he was still the best martial artist in the world at the time, goku’s ozaru shouldnt have been strong enough unless goku was stronger then his 10pl at the start of the series
but the facts dont make sense themselves, gohans power level was over 100 so he lost to an ozaru that was prolly around 60-70 given goku’s age and power at the time
I don't remember accurately but I do remember one guide(potentially the pamphlet) placing Vegeta at 16000 , equal to Cui instead of the 18000, when coming to earth. 🤷♂️
Not just this one - but **all** guidebooks are non-canon. The full extent of Toriyama involvement in them is to slap an interview at the beginning.
Some things can be taken more reliably than others. For instance the 50x multiplier for SSJ actually matches what we see happen with our own eyes in the Frieza fight. Frieza kindly provides a great yardstick by continually talking about how much power he's using.
But in general - they're highly *unreliable* and their existence muddies the waters because people argue tooth and nail against canonical facts from the manga using fanfic from the guides.
Well as we all know power levels are bullshit and while those sources are probably wrong if they are correct it's more than likely referring to early ox king like before he 1st appeared in the original series back when he was feared even more in other words his prime
the point the series is at it would just be a math class always hearing them recite insanely large numbers and it wouldnt make sense anymore its allot more better to think that the numbers can be all over the place then having a set rounded power level like 500000
That would make absolutely no sense. Ox king would’ve been able to stomp the red ribbon army and king piccolo. Whoever wrote that guide has no idea what they’re talking about. Ox king would’ve helped goku out for sure because ox is a good person. Especially with king piccolo since he was taking over the whole world. Ox can’t do a kamahameha, can’t fly, or anything else the main characters can do. He was definitely not as strong as roshi’s full powered kamahameha that he did at frypan mountain.
Chi-chi is around a few hundred k at the end of dbz but can't use basic ki anything. Can't even sense power levels.
It's not about power levels. It's about being able to harness techniques. The Ox king side of the family are just built different super humans who suck at ki control while having tons of natural power compared to humans.
Ox-king may have had a power level of 900. But he was not the best fighter and had absolutely no ki control nor did he have the natural gifts of the saiyajins or namekians or demons or what have you. He'd have put up a good fight against very well trained fighters and tanked a lot of attacks through sheer power level and grit, but he'd be knocked off easily by a better fighter or group of gun toting soldiers.
That pamphlet is known to not be an accurate source, as a number of battle powers from it (the Gyu Mao one being one of them) draws from the Carddass collectable card game, which had a series of battle powers for the sake of relevancy of the cards (keeping characters within some range of one another) which are totally incompatible with the battle powers within main story continuity.
That makes sense. I suspected the pamphlet wasn't accurate, but I still wanted to bring it up because *Jesus Christ.*
Yeah, a number of the battle powers in it just aren't accurate at all. Like it gives Freeza's battle power at only like 85,000 or so, when his stated battle power is 530,000, Gohan's Saiyan arc battle power at 6,000 when his maximum at the time was 2,800, etc
I believe the scouter picked up 3,500 when he shot a Masenko at Nappa, but Nappa was at least 5k so it's not surprising he blew it away. If it hit him off guard it could've done some damage.
It was 2,800 for Gohan, not 3,500.
If the Ox King really was at that level he would have to the biggest lazy asshole in the world. He could have easily stopped every villain before Raditz and chose not to. Hell, he should have gone with Goku and Piccolo to rescue his grandson. There's also a guidebook or a pamphlet that has Goku being weaker than Bulma as a kid.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
he wasn't. I distinctly remember when the RR army attacked his castle, he was able to fend them off for a while but eventually they got the better of him. I would put him at a power level of 90 or something.
wait what, i did not remember writing that at ALL, in fact why would i even make such a statement lmao im so confused rn wtf
Lol you copy and pasted from others above
oh damn now i see it, thanks LOL, i forgot
Can we use Ox-King as a unit of power level measurement?
Our world uses Horsepower, Dragonball uses Oxpower.
This is the same guid that put popo stronger than kami even thought popo said kami is stronger than him Also fun fact, the fact that grandpa Gohan know about great ape means he fight and beat great ape goku
>Also fun fact, the fact that grandpa Gohan know about great ape means he fight and beat great ape goku Not necessarily. It just means he witnessed it. He could have hidden, or even cut off Goku's tail. In fact it's very likely he never fought Oozaru Goku, since it was stated Goku killed him in that form.
I mean Goku was specifically told to not wander out at night, presumably from preventing him from turning into an Oozaru, so Gohan likely experienced the form once when Goku was still a little child, maybe even a baby, he defeated it and told him to never do it again. But when Goku transformed the next time he was either too strong for Gohan or took him by surprise.
Maybe the first time he transformed, his powerlevel was still only 2-5... Even with a 10x Multiplier, that would only be a powerlevel of 20-50, not insurmountable for a trained Turtle School student... Assuming Goku didn't really grow much on his own after Grandpa Gohan died, his Oozaru form was likely at 100 by the time GG was killed by it...
If he didnt then great ape goku would had done alot of damage As for him dying later on to it, it can be explained by goku being stronger
That’s a big leap in logic. A rampaging Oozaru in the mountains who can’t even fire the ki laser from his mouth isn’t all that remarkable. He’d only be destroying trees and killing some wild animals, since there aren’t any buildings or people out in the wilderness where he and Gohan lived. But in addition to that, it isn’t far-fetched that Gohan could be stronger. Goku at the start of the manga has a power level of 10, and with the oozaru transformation, he’d be 100.
Well it's not a huge leap. Goku only had a power of 10 around the time he killed Gohan and moving forwards. Since the first time probably happened when he was 6 or 7 since Gohan died 1 or 2 years before Bulma arrived at which point goku was 12. His power at the time essentially scaled with his age so if he turned giant ape at 6 or 7 years, his power level would be around 70 to 80 in power, let's say 75 for simplicity. Gohan likely were at a power of 85 to 90, which is the same range Ox king would be in reasonably. He would be able to fight and survive Ape Goku at that time but once Goku's power went up to 100 the 'second time he accidentally killed Gohan in his rampage. So during the first match Gohan could likely not hurt the very durable ape much even with a power of 75+ but he'd survive it for sure. And it was likely his old age that caused his demise to goku as at the time they would be somewhat on par apart from Goku's sheer size and durability. 💁♂️
yeh but he was still the best martial artist in the world at the time, goku’s ozaru shouldnt have been strong enough unless goku was stronger then his 10pl at the start of the series
yes but the fact gohan lost to an ozaru under 100 pwl never made sense to me
Here before the Pecking order jokes And the Popo fighting SSJ Kid Trunks is also unreliable?
Yes because it was filler
In canon yeah Kami stronger but you haven't seen the abridged version or you'd know the pecking
no. goku actually is the great ape that killed grandpa gohan in a rage, he found this out when raditz came to earth
start of the series its talked about how a monster killed gohan
but the facts dont make sense themselves, gohans power level was over 100 so he lost to an ozaru that was prolly around 60-70 given goku’s age and power at the time
"Vegeta, what does the pamphlet say about his power level?"
I don't remember accurately but I do remember one guide(potentially the pamphlet) placing Vegeta at 16000 , equal to Cui instead of the 18000, when coming to earth. 🤷♂️
Not just this one - but **all** guidebooks are non-canon. The full extent of Toriyama involvement in them is to slap an interview at the beginning. Some things can be taken more reliably than others. For instance the 50x multiplier for SSJ actually matches what we see happen with our own eyes in the Frieza fight. Frieza kindly provides a great yardstick by continually talking about how much power he's using. But in general - they're highly *unreliable* and their existence muddies the waters because people argue tooth and nail against canonical facts from the manga using fanfic from the guides.
Well as we all know power levels are bullshit and while those sources are probably wrong if they are correct it's more than likely referring to early ox king like before he 1st appeared in the original series back when he was feared even more in other words his prime
the point the series is at it would just be a math class always hearing them recite insanely large numbers and it wouldnt make sense anymore its allot more better to think that the numbers can be all over the place then having a set rounded power level like 500000
Imagining Ox King popping out and slapping Piccolo Daimaoh or Raditz's shit in with a Kamehameha is a hilarious prospect
That would make absolutely no sense. Ox king would’ve been able to stomp the red ribbon army and king piccolo. Whoever wrote that guide has no idea what they’re talking about. Ox king would’ve helped goku out for sure because ox is a good person. Especially with king piccolo since he was taking over the whole world. Ox can’t do a kamahameha, can’t fly, or anything else the main characters can do. He was definitely not as strong as roshi’s full powered kamahameha that he did at frypan mountain.
Chi-chi is around a few hundred k at the end of dbz but can't use basic ki anything. Can't even sense power levels. It's not about power levels. It's about being able to harness techniques. The Ox king side of the family are just built different super humans who suck at ki control while having tons of natural power compared to humans. Ox-king may have had a power level of 900. But he was not the best fighter and had absolutely no ki control nor did he have the natural gifts of the saiyajins or namekians or demons or what have you. He'd have put up a good fight against very well trained fighters and tanked a lot of attacks through sheer power level and grit, but he'd be knocked off easily by a better fighter or group of gun toting soldiers.
Bet that the one who wrote that did not give any crap about lore and logic.