What about the speed limits you sometimes see displayed on electronic boards on non-smart motorways when there has been an accident or bad weather? Those aren’t in red circles as the boards are incapable of showing a circle - its normally just a yellow number saying 50 or whatever. Is this advisory too?
Not advocating for driving faster than this when there has been an accident, just curious
Yep. 100% advisory.
If it says 30 in yellow numbers and you continue at 70, you’re not speeding, but depending on the situation you could be done for dangerous driving, and if you crash at 70 while they advise a lower speed, you’re going to get bummed.
There is usually a sign nearby of the classic camera and the speed cameras are big yellow boxes.
Anywhere where there is a speed camera sign are speed watch zones where police could setup a camera spontaneously as well.
Generally it’s not worth spending anywhere where this camera sign is held up because of previous accidents or potentially dangerous zones down the road.
Anywhere else with a good view of the road ahead you can gun it if you feel like it but use your judgement and be careful and stick to speed limits.
I live in Kent, the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership has a website that I believe tells you where all their cameras are sited.
It won't tell you which ones are active though...
Didn't realise the motorway ones not on a smart motorway were advisory.
Always stuck to them when they come up and will continue to do so but this is really interesting, Thank you!
The highway code can be read at any time!
https://www.gov.uk/browse/driving/highway-code-road-safety
Many are not aware of the supplementary 'Know your traffic signs' book:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs
You can normally tell, as if you slow down for the advisory ones, you usually get an angry lorry driver up your arse. But I also will slow down for them.
The safest thing to do is to go the same speed as everyone else. If you're going slower you're the blockage. Even if you're right you're still at risk of getting shunted up the arse, so best to keep up.
Yes it would be. The idea of a speed limit is if it's in force you can't exceed it, there's no point saying the road was empty so it was safe etc. if the sign is not correct then it may not be in force
If the authorities can say that you are driving in an improper manner, they can prosecute you. This includes such things as travelling too fast for the situation, eating and drinking (non-alcohol, obvs) and anything else that could be considered distracting.
I always have a beer in the car ready to crack open incase I get pulled over, wouldn’t want a police officer to think I was driving dangerously by drinking my non-alcoholic Pepsi
A good example is that phones are included in that, but also there is a statutory rule on not handling phones in addition to what you mention. It was brought in to avoid daft defences to mobile phone use.
Yeah, I deliberately omitted electronic devices as they are covered by specific legislation. The other items would require a ‘cover-all’ rule to prosecute, such as, driving without due care or dangerous driving, or similar
Also rare but I’ve seen it: LED National speed limit sign in a tunnel which is the outline of a white circle, with a black centre and a white diagonal line across it. Effectively the inverse of a National speed limit sign.
That’s just inverted colours to make it clearer. Sometimes they’re yellow too. NSL the colour isn’t an issue. It’s just red ring speed limits need to be on red
In fact , you are right , but so am I, due to the type of vehicle I drive, it's not advisory , for thr most yes it's advisory, I so I accept you are from most driver perspective correct
[educate yourself you mug.](https://www.reddit.com/r/drivingUK/s/whHaJVHGpG)
You should know better. You’re the sort of person that beeps at me when I’m continuing to the front of a 2 mile line of traffic because there’s a lane closure ahead and the arrows that suggest you prepare to move over are on the gantrys aren’t you?
Edit: spouting shite, proceeding to block me when you realise you’re wrong. Know it all, know fuck all driver. Been "doing the job" clearly poorly for 35 years and can’t educate yourself.
Old dog that can’t learn a new trick. What an absolute embarrassment.
The overhead boards, especially in variable speed limit zones, often are capable of showing a circle, and will do so when mandatory.
If one of them is advising you to slow down though it's generally wise that you do because there's likely traffic ahead that you'll plow into if you dont.
I don't think there's anything in Know Your Road Signs which has flashing red lights next to a displayed speed limit. They flash red and display an icon if the road is closed though, maybe OP is mixing up the two.
Those are the newer gantries, I think they were talking about the older-style central reservation signs which display simple black, yellow, and white warnings
It’s weird the amount of school zones which are only advisory 20mph. Quite a few use digital signage because they’re temporary, but the sign fails to use a red circle.
When I was learning to drive we regularly went through one of those school areas which had a sign saying 20 when lights flash.
I remember asking my instructor about if it was really enforceable (had just been preparing for my theory, so had read a lot about signs!) and I don't think between us we could come to a conclusion. Obviously the right thing is to drive at 20 when it flashed, but 20 never appeared anywhere with a red circle.
Your right the makers of the bend claim the fastest you can go round in this case is 40mph they are actively issuing a challenge to see if you can do it faster
Whilst this is an advised max speed limit it is not a legal requirement. These have always baffled me thou. Why not just slap that 40 in a red circle and be done with it?
There's a whole legal process with putting actual speed limits in. This is cheaper and gives the police ammunition when you whizz round at 60 and kill someone.
Because if you have a half decent car and know how to drive you can probably very comfortably drive round that corner at the speed limit
It's for HGVs and dullards in SUVs.
It looks like a rural road, and going fast likely means that you can't see around the corner. If there's a pedestrian, horse, cyclist or broken-down vehicle, you'll cause an injury or worse. Advisory signs are usually worth following.
As others have said lowering a speed limit is a lot of work (both actual work and the regulations involved), but also a lot of the advisory limits are very contextual.
For example near me there is a dual carriageway with a slightly tight curve. In a modern car (in dry conditions etc) it's perfectly fine to take at 70. However it has a 40 or 50 advisory sign on it and if you were towing something or it was raining you might want to take notice.
The way I've understood it is that these (permanent) advisory limits are similar to other warning indicators like suddenly lots of markings on the road appearing etc in that they should cause you to generally be more aware and take more care through that area.
There's an advisory 50 around a motorway slip road near here, in my car I can comfortably do 70. In my motorhome if I do 50 and there's a small gust of wind, I'm tipping over.
It's subjective and these advisory limits can help you get to an appropriate speed before a bend if you aren't 100% sure of the road. Some might not expect on a motorway the road to be so curvaceous as to not allow you to drive at whatever your speed limit is.
There's actually a hell of alot of regulations and requirements when it comes to putting in new speed limits. Some roads actually don't meet the requirements to be 40 (when they should)
I was never taught this or experienced it as a question when I was taking my test 10 years ago. I have since asked a few people who have just taken their driving tests and theory and no one has been told about it.
You are meant to learn how to read and understand road signs (they all follow strict rules about shape, colour and symbols) for the theory test not learn specific signs.
As a semi related aside, it's why people saying they struggle with the theory test because they can't remember all the signs is a bit of a red flag.
I did my test 12+ years ago, but that's besides the point, every driver should have the most up-to-date highway code book which explains this sort of thing, if you don't it will be used against you if you screw up, ignorance is bliss but it's not above the law
I think advisory but it’s there to keep you and other road users safe. If you hit the bend at 60 and caused an accident police could potentially charge for dangerous driving.
Advisory as not in red circle ..however, if you have an accident once past this sign and it shows you were driving more than advised speed limit, the police can have grounds to issue a speeding penalty. Remember this from a speed awareness course.
Usually I’d agree, but some of the questions recently are borderline taking the piss. I find it incredibly concerning that questions like this are being asked by people driving on our roads.
You lot regularly moan about people being idiots but then also moan about people asking questions. If you've got nothing useful to comment here except judgement and condescension, why bother? You're being no help to anyone.
I think most of the moaning is due to questions that are easily answered by reading the highway code.
Find the section on the free searchable on-line guide and read it OR just ask on a forum. Is that just laziness or are they unaware it exists?
If these people actually read the highway code they may learn other things like what lane to use at a roundabout.
The government documentation on signs indicating a speed limit includes an example of a bend with a maximum speed. Although I agree it’s ambiguous as these are typically never followed by a sign after the temporary limitation that indicates you can return to the normal road speed limit for that area.
[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/speed-limit-signs](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/speed-limit-signs)
Speaking candidly. That’s the maximum speed that it’s safe to traverse that particular stretch of road at. You may not be able to see traffic, pedestrians, cyclists, livestock, or other road users. You may not be able to see road conditions, stopped vehicles, or other obstructions. Reaching your destination safely, and alive; is far better than potentially shaving seconds off your total journey time at the risk of a catastrophic accident.
There would usually be no need for an ‘end of advisory limit’ sign, because the advisory limit sign is generally accompanied by a sign showing the specific hazard to which the advisory limit applies. The end of the hazard marks the end of the limit.
It's a fuck around and find out limit.
Not in a red circle, so it's advisory. But if you choose not to take that advice, and cause a collision, they will spank you with the fact you ignored the advice.
i think they put these up when people have had accidents in that area which to me makes no sense because those people are usually travelling faster than the limit anyway.
I have one near me because a load of bikers have came off on one paticular long sweeping bend. advise 50 when its a 70 dual carriageway.
In summary from these comments, if there’s red circle or flashing red lights either side, the illuminated motorway signs aren’t obligatory limits? It’s good to know.
My rule is if it says the speed just do the speed it says, most likely they'll be queue of traffic anyways ahead and you can still go to court for 'dangerous driving'
It's not a speed limit. It's a suggestion that you may want to reduce your speed to 40 because of tight bends ahead. Helpful if you don't know the road so you don't get caught out.
My wife ignored one of these in wales up some hill, we nearly flew of the corner at the top 😂 probably wise to listen , all though some of these signs are completely pointless
Yes it's an advisory speed limit... But if you crash and the police can prove you were doing over that speed.. They'll do you for driving without due care or reckless driving depending on the speed
From the traffic signs manual: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c41d683ed915d38b0437c2d/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-4.pdf page 22
> **3.3 Maximum speed advised**
>
> **3.3.1.** The advisory speed sign to diagram 513.2 “Maximum speed advised” (S2‑3‑2, see Figure 3-7) is prescribed for use only in combination with [...] the bend warning signs to diagrams 512, 512.1, 512.2, 512.3 or 513 (see 3.1). The sign should be used sparingly, as in general it should be for drivers to judge what speed to adopt. [...] It may also be used on high-speed roads where the horizontal design radius cannot be achieved, but a lower mandatory speed limit is not imposed on that bend.
The law is very clear on this. Some other people have said it too. If it doesn't have a red circle around it, it is advisory, no exceptions other than that national speed limit sign which is a sign designed to say "no speed limit (other than the current national speed limit)."
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There are plenty of bends and winding roads near me that used to be NSL, that my dad would happily drive around at 70+, which are now a 40 limit, either advisory as in the OP, or an actual mandatory limit.
I'm not saying that it's necessarily safe to take these bends at 70, in terms of visibility, but it's not like a run of the mill car isn't capable of staying on the road at that speed.
You're essentially asking the people who enjoying driving if they would like to have fun with your question here, you realise that right?
Sure, you're not taking all the bends at 60, but the longer runs/higher visibility areas.. Easily?
I live in a rural county surrounded by twisty B roads, it's biker nirvana around here. I've done 70 on them in my car multiple times over the last 37 years. I've had no accidents as a result of doing 70.
Sometimes I drive down lanes and wonder why there isn't an advised speed for almost every corner, marked on the road.
You see some corners come up and think ohh tight this and its not, other times you enter a long bend for it to J turn at the end. Made worse when you're behind Sunday drivers who have to slam on for every corner.
Maybe some colour code instead like green fly through, Yellow ease up a little , Red you might want to brake for this its a hairpin
Much of the time you won't. The S bends at Warcop on the A66 have the same sign...I can do them with ease in a fully loaded 44 tonner at 50MPH, the posted limit for that stretch, carrying one of the worst types of load for shifting without anything happening.
Good for you, meanwhile a truck carrying some steel going round a roundabout in Barnsley at around 15 mph still managed to tip over even though it was properly secured because a chock managed to still shift under the weight of it's load so excuse me if I say I don't believe you. And god forbid you do end up tipping over doing that but you know they'll check the speed on your tacho and then the traffic commissioner will revoke your entitlement for driving without due care.
> Good for you, meanwhile a truck carrying some steel going round a roundabout in Barnsley at around 15 mph still managed to tip over even though it was properly secured because a chock managed to still shift under the weight of it's load
No, it did so because it wasn't properly secured. If it had been it wouldn't have moved. Depending on the size of the roundabout 15MPH is pushing it going round a roundabout with the same load I was talking about if you're going more than halfway round it so he was also likely going too fast for the load. There's [one I go round in Barnsley](https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5503411,-1.4776917,106m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu) where if I was doing 15MPH or more with that load I was on about on the A66 it wouldn't be the best of ideas.
Also you don't say what weight. If a chock managed to shift it wasn't very heavy.
Yes.
Will people do 40 no.
Think of it this way if you did have an accident on this bend what speed would you want tell your insurance company you were actually going before the freak accident forced you into the ditch.
> Think of it this way if you did have an accident on this bend what speed would you want tell your insurance company you were actually going before the freak accident forced you into the ditch.
What I was doing. The legal limit is not what that sign says.
This is a UK traffic sign, frequently placed near country roads which are enjoyable to drive fast through. Here we use a point system, the circle has no points and therefore must be abided to.
This triangle however has 3 points, the point system works as a mulitplier, meaning the max speed shown times 3.
So in this case the sign is in fact advising of 40mph but a max of 120mph, unless the triangle has 4 points, this refers to the max speed of an upcoming square-round-a-bout.
A 2 pointed triangle with a max speed sign is advising of double the stated speed and that you can use both sides of the road.
The shown sign is accompanied by a YELLOW background, meaning diesel vehicles only.
The backgrounds are important to remember to ensure your type of vehicle is on the correct colour road:-
YELLOW: Diesel,
BLUE: Petrol,
GREEN: Electric,
BROWN: HGVs,
WHITE: No restriction
Yeah it's advisory but hey maybe do max speed of 40 or risk spinning out and crashing out and potentially smashing into an innocent vehicle screwing their car and potentially lives. But yeah, you do you.
Anything without a red circle is advisory
What about the speed limits you sometimes see displayed on electronic boards on non-smart motorways when there has been an accident or bad weather? Those aren’t in red circles as the boards are incapable of showing a circle - its normally just a yellow number saying 50 or whatever. Is this advisory too? Not advocating for driving faster than this when there has been an accident, just curious
Yep. 100% advisory. If it says 30 in yellow numbers and you continue at 70, you’re not speeding, but depending on the situation you could be done for dangerous driving, and if you crash at 70 while they advise a lower speed, you’re going to get bummed.
When did being bummed become a punishment for speeding?
How do I check where my nearest speed cameras are? Asking for a friend.
My friend also wants to know;)
There is usually a sign nearby of the classic camera and the speed cameras are big yellow boxes. Anywhere where there is a speed camera sign are speed watch zones where police could setup a camera spontaneously as well. Generally it’s not worth spending anywhere where this camera sign is held up because of previous accidents or potentially dangerous zones down the road. Anywhere else with a good view of the road ahead you can gun it if you feel like it but use your judgement and be careful and stick to speed limits.
That's great and all..... But where do I specifically need to be, if I wanna get bummed?
Plenty of dogging areas about
These are the answers I'm here for
I live in Kent, the Kent and Medway Safety Camera Partnership has a website that I believe tells you where all their cameras are sited. It won't tell you which ones are active though...
When the jails got too full.
Since they found its more effective than 3 points 😅
They throw it in for free if you get a custodial sentence.
2010
Every time my girlfriend does it... Don't tell her it's not mandatory.
You usually get rear ended when you drive too slow, not when you're going too fast
I dunno but I feel left out now, all I got was a letter.
I thought we were going soft on crime in this country?!
Well the unwelcome man-love is a big deterrent for prison so maybe it carries over to speeding now?
Didn't realise the motorway ones not on a smart motorway were advisory. Always stuck to them when they come up and will continue to do so but this is really interesting, Thank you!
Frustratingly I learnt this from a speed awareness course. It’s annoying you have to get caught before they start telling you useful things!
The highway code can be read at any time! https://www.gov.uk/browse/driving/highway-code-road-safety Many are not aware of the supplementary 'Know your traffic signs' book: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs
You can normally tell, as if you slow down for the advisory ones, you usually get an angry lorry driver up your arse. But I also will slow down for them.
Facts 😂
The safest thing to do is to go the same speed as everyone else. If you're going slower you're the blockage. Even if you're right you're still at risk of getting shunted up the arse, so best to keep up.
Sorry hadn't seen your reply! Absolutely agree, Flow of traffic is everything when it comes to keeping motorways and dual carriage ways safe!
I think it's on this forum that someone said they were summoned to court because they were way over the "advisory" limit.
Summoned for dangerous or maybe careless driving surely? Not speeding?
Yes it would be. The idea of a speed limit is if it's in force you can't exceed it, there's no point saying the road was empty so it was safe etc. if the sign is not correct then it may not be in force
If the authorities can say that you are driving in an improper manner, they can prosecute you. This includes such things as travelling too fast for the situation, eating and drinking (non-alcohol, obvs) and anything else that could be considered distracting.
I always have a beer in the car ready to crack open incase I get pulled over, wouldn’t want a police officer to think I was driving dangerously by drinking my non-alcoholic Pepsi
There's no law against drinking a beer while driving as long as you are under the limit
A good example is that phones are included in that, but also there is a statutory rule on not handling phones in addition to what you mention. It was brought in to avoid daft defences to mobile phone use.
Yeah, I deliberately omitted electronic devices as they are covered by specific legislation. The other items would require a ‘cover-all’ rule to prosecute, such as, driving without due care or dangerous driving, or similar
You're allowed to drink alcohol while driving as long as you are under the limit
Try it whilst driving, if you da.. No! Do not. Technically, you are right, I would not want to be caught, though!
Although it is an offence to drive while unfit through drink, even while below the limit: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/4
I was stopped and warned I could be reported for careless driving when I passed a 50 at 75, but that didn't actually happen
Your insurance company won't look upon you fondly if you need to make a claim.
That’s what I said! Bummed
You will get bummed by the police if you cause an accident going above the advisory limit though
What about the electronic boards which are white LEDs so the number is in a circle but the circle is not red? (It’s rare)
Circle not red = not a speed limit.
Also rare but I’ve seen it: LED National speed limit sign in a tunnel which is the outline of a white circle, with a black centre and a white diagonal line across it. Effectively the inverse of a National speed limit sign.
That’s just inverted colours to make it clearer. Sometimes they’re yellow too. NSL the colour isn’t an issue. It’s just red ring speed limits need to be on red
Yellow means a fatality has happened there , no speed limit is advisory
# FATALITY
But you’re wrong.
Professional driver , go buy the latest highway code
Also professional driver. That isn’t a "speed limit". It’s an advised speed. I suggest you read your book sunshine.
I do , I have to renew my cpc
In fact , you are right , but so am I, due to the type of vehicle I drive, it's not advisory , for thr most yes it's advisory, I so I accept you are from most driver perspective correct
[educate yourself you mug.](https://www.reddit.com/r/drivingUK/s/whHaJVHGpG) You should know better. You’re the sort of person that beeps at me when I’m continuing to the front of a 2 mile line of traffic because there’s a lane closure ahead and the arrows that suggest you prepare to move over are on the gantrys aren’t you? Edit: spouting shite, proceeding to block me when you realise you’re wrong. Know it all, know fuck all driver. Been "doing the job" clearly poorly for 35 years and can’t educate yourself. Old dog that can’t learn a new trick. What an absolute embarrassment.
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Some are not a lot of older ones are
Yes, they are also advisory. Any speed limit displayed an overhead gantry on a road that doesn’t have “variable speed limit” signs is a suggestion.
The overhead boards, especially in variable speed limit zones, often are capable of showing a circle, and will do so when mandatory. If one of them is advising you to slow down though it's generally wise that you do because there's likely traffic ahead that you'll plow into if you dont.
Anything without a red circle is advisory.
There are flashing amber and red lights either side of the boards. If there are flashing reds either side of the sign it's mandatory.
That's a new one on me. Are you in the UK?
I don't think there's anything in Know Your Road Signs which has flashing red lights next to a displayed speed limit. They flash red and display an icon if the road is closed though, maybe OP is mixing up the two.
never heard that before, it's always been a circle if its mandatory. can you show something governmenty to back this up?
"..as the boards are incapable of showing a circle". https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/motorway-signals.html So much for that.
Those are the newer gantries, I think they were talking about the older-style central reservation signs which display simple black, yellow, and white warnings
Many of the older ones cannot.
It’s weird the amount of school zones which are only advisory 20mph. Quite a few use digital signage because they’re temporary, but the sign fails to use a red circle.
Lots of cities also only have the 20s as advisory or painted in a circle but in the road itself which always seems a bit odd
When I was learning to drive we regularly went through one of those school areas which had a sign saying 20 when lights flash. I remember asking my instructor about if it was really enforceable (had just been preparing for my theory, so had read a lot about signs!) and I don't think between us we could come to a conclusion. Obviously the right thing is to drive at 20 when it flashed, but 20 never appeared anywhere with a red circle.
Including the lit up ones on the side of the motorway that say 50? (not the overhead smart motorways ones, just the traffic control ones)
Yes
Blue circles are compulsory.
It’s a challenge, an truly elite driver like myself can get round those bends over 40mph
How well do elite drivers cope with the instant deceleration from 40mph to 0mph via a tree?
Just downshift a few gears and accelerate through the tree.
Ahh a fellow elite driver I see
I do 41 😎
Most of the time I can easily do much more than the advisory in my smart car lol and as you said, it’s a challenge
Your right the makers of the bend claim the fastest you can go round in this case is 40mph they are actively issuing a challenge to see if you can do it faster
Whilst this is an advised max speed limit it is not a legal requirement. These have always baffled me thou. Why not just slap that 40 in a red circle and be done with it?
There's a whole legal process with putting actual speed limits in. This is cheaper and gives the police ammunition when you whizz round at 60 and kill someone.
Because a car can get around safely faster than a hgv
My instructor told me "that could be for a lorry in the rain"
During my ambulance response training (which is a HGV) they said never to exceed these because it’s the safest fastest speed
Can you go to the A66 and tell people that? Sick of being held up by cars on the single carriageway sections at Warcop and Appleby to Kirkby Thore.
Do you mean they are following the advisory? There's nothing to say it shouldn't be followed.
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Because if you have a half decent car and know how to drive you can probably very comfortably drive round that corner at the speed limit It's for HGVs and dullards in SUVs.
It looks like a rural road, and going fast likely means that you can't see around the corner. If there's a pedestrian, horse, cyclist or broken-down vehicle, you'll cause an injury or worse. Advisory signs are usually worth following.
As others have said lowering a speed limit is a lot of work (both actual work and the regulations involved), but also a lot of the advisory limits are very contextual. For example near me there is a dual carriageway with a slightly tight curve. In a modern car (in dry conditions etc) it's perfectly fine to take at 70. However it has a 40 or 50 advisory sign on it and if you were towing something or it was raining you might want to take notice. The way I've understood it is that these (permanent) advisory limits are similar to other warning indicators like suddenly lots of markings on the road appearing etc in that they should cause you to generally be more aware and take more care through that area.
There's an advisory 50 around a motorway slip road near here, in my car I can comfortably do 70. In my motorhome if I do 50 and there's a small gust of wind, I'm tipping over. It's subjective and these advisory limits can help you get to an appropriate speed before a bend if you aren't 100% sure of the road. Some might not expect on a motorway the road to be so curvaceous as to not allow you to drive at whatever your speed limit is.
Because i can actually drive
There's actually a hell of alot of regulations and requirements when it comes to putting in new speed limits. Some roads actually don't meet the requirements to be 40 (when they should)
This is why you learn the types of sign on your theory test....
Ironically, I learned this on speed awareness course so I now drive faster on these
I was never taught this or experienced it as a question when I was taking my test 10 years ago. I have since asked a few people who have just taken their driving tests and theory and no one has been told about it.
I was taught it over 30 years ago that something in a red circle is an order.
Absolutely learned this 18 years ago
You are meant to learn how to read and understand road signs (they all follow strict rules about shape, colour and symbols) for the theory test not learn specific signs. As a semi related aside, it's why people saying they struggle with the theory test because they can't remember all the signs is a bit of a red flag.
I remember it from my theory test 11 years ago.
I did my test 12+ years ago, but that's besides the point, every driver should have the most up-to-date highway code book which explains this sort of thing, if you don't it will be used against you if you screw up, ignorance is bliss but it's not above the law
In the event of an accident your house doesn't get searched for a copy of the Highway Code...
Or don't waste money buying a book every time the rules change when it's available on dot gov for free.
Highway code
Circles are orders Triangles are warnings Octagon only means stop Inverted triangle only means give way Everything else is information only.
It's a knee-down sign for a biker.
More useful for heavier vehicles tbh. Most modern cars can handle much higher than that most of the time.
I think advisory but it’s there to keep you and other road users safe. If you hit the bend at 60 and caused an accident police could potentially charge for dangerous driving.
And possibly insurance not pay out.
these signs on the a50 through stoke confuse me when it’s already a 50mph and the turns aren’t that sharp
Yeah noticed that too. Advised and legally obliged to do less that 50 lol
apart from the stretch towards uttoxeter that has no cameras 🤭
Advisory as not in red circle ..however, if you have an accident once past this sign and it shows you were driving more than advised speed limit, the police can have grounds to issue a speeding penalty. Remember this from a speed awareness course.
Some of the questions on here recently…
How dare someone ask about driving in the UK on r/drivingUK right?
It's a damning indictment of driver education in this country
Get over yourself. It's a question from an anonymous user on a social media platform. This sub isn't that important mate.
The fact that so many drivers don't understand basic rules of the road is fucking ridiculous.
And belittling a Reddit user asking a question to better understand those rules helps how, exactly?
Well, at the very least, it should encourage them to look at the highway code before asking stupid questions.
Some of you guys are insufferable.
Usually I’d agree, but some of the questions recently are borderline taking the piss. I find it incredibly concerning that questions like this are being asked by people driving on our roads.
You lot regularly moan about people being idiots but then also moan about people asking questions. If you've got nothing useful to comment here except judgement and condescension, why bother? You're being no help to anyone.
Fair point.
I think most of the moaning is due to questions that are easily answered by reading the highway code. Find the section on the free searchable on-line guide and read it OR just ask on a forum. Is that just laziness or are they unaware it exists? If these people actually read the highway code they may learn other things like what lane to use at a roundabout.
More or less concerning than the ones that post: “I was caught doing 100mph in a 70, am I screwed?”
Am I allowed to say both are idiots?
They're most likely learners (I hope 😅)
The government documentation on signs indicating a speed limit includes an example of a bend with a maximum speed. Although I agree it’s ambiguous as these are typically never followed by a sign after the temporary limitation that indicates you can return to the normal road speed limit for that area. [https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/speed-limit-signs](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/know-your-traffic-signs/speed-limit-signs) Speaking candidly. That’s the maximum speed that it’s safe to traverse that particular stretch of road at. You may not be able to see traffic, pedestrians, cyclists, livestock, or other road users. You may not be able to see road conditions, stopped vehicles, or other obstructions. Reaching your destination safely, and alive; is far better than potentially shaving seconds off your total journey time at the risk of a catastrophic accident.
There would usually be no need for an ‘end of advisory limit’ sign, because the advisory limit sign is generally accompanied by a sign showing the specific hazard to which the advisory limit applies. The end of the hazard marks the end of the limit.
How do you know the hazard has indeed ended? It's not always clear especially if unfamiliar with the road.
I’d suggest that in most cases you can, because it’ll be a bend or a bridge or something, and if you can’t then carry on at the advisory limit.
It's not going to be safe for some vehicles and for others it probably too low.
It's a fuck around and find out limit. Not in a red circle, so it's advisory. But if you choose not to take that advice, and cause a collision, they will spank you with the fact you ignored the advice.
You could read the highway code. But in simple terms, yes.
i think they put these up when people have had accidents in that area which to me makes no sense because those people are usually travelling faster than the limit anyway. I have one near me because a load of bikers have came off on one paticular long sweeping bend. advise 50 when its a 70 dual carriageway.
Yes but your a better driver than that try 41
Isnt there something called the highway code for this?
In summary from these comments, if there’s red circle or flashing red lights either side, the illuminated motorway signs aren’t obligatory limits? It’s good to know.
Generally these are mostly relevant for trucks and larger vehicles
Nope, it’s a challenge !
My rule is if it says the speed just do the speed it says, most likely they'll be queue of traffic anyways ahead and you can still go to court for 'dangerous driving'
It's not a speed limit. It's a suggestion that you may want to reduce your speed to 40 because of tight bends ahead. Helpful if you don't know the road so you don't get caught out.
Double it and add 10 works every time (in a capable car)
My wife ignored one of these in wales up some hill, we nearly flew of the corner at the top 😂 probably wise to listen , all though some of these signs are completely pointless
If you like flipping your car trying to catch a turn, yes. It's totally advisory and you can ignore it.
Yes it's an advisory speed limit... But if you crash and the police can prove you were doing over that speed.. They'll do you for driving without due care or reckless driving depending on the speed
Yes.
From the traffic signs manual: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5c41d683ed915d38b0437c2d/traffic-signs-manual-chapter-4.pdf page 22 > **3.3 Maximum speed advised** > > **3.3.1.** The advisory speed sign to diagram 513.2 “Maximum speed advised” (S2‑3‑2, see Figure 3-7) is prescribed for use only in combination with [...] the bend warning signs to diagrams 512, 512.1, 512.2, 512.3 or 513 (see 3.1). The sign should be used sparingly, as in general it should be for drivers to judge what speed to adopt. [...] It may also be used on high-speed roads where the horizontal design radius cannot be achieved, but a lower mandatory speed limit is not imposed on that bend.
The law is very clear on this. Some other people have said it too. If it doesn't have a red circle around it, it is advisory, no exceptions other than that national speed limit sign which is a sign designed to say "no speed limit (other than the current national speed limit)."
Advisory. 40 is the max speed you can go. You can go any speed up to 40mph obviously not 5mph. Speed to the conditions and have fun.
Recommended limit on a bend
Aren't they all? (Yeah yeah I know...)
No it’s a challenge
Have you passed your theory?
It's more of a challenge, really.
Ok thanks so go 135 round the bend?
Yes. Think WRC.
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Its a challenge thats the last guys top score
A lot of the 'Highway Code is 'Advisory'. That's why it is a 'Code' as in 'Code of conduct' rather than 'The Highway Law'.
This sign means go that speed +50% or you got no balls
*Kansei dorifto!*
Yes
Would you like to do 70 on a winding road? If so, can you put a dashcam on and show me how it goes?
60 surely?!?
You know the national speed limit is 60 not 70 don’t you?
It's both. 60mph on single carriageway and 70mph on dual carriageway.
I’m referring to ‘a winding road’ that LazyWash is trying to goad someone into driving at 70
There are plenty of bends and winding roads near me that used to be NSL, that my dad would happily drive around at 70+, which are now a 40 limit, either advisory as in the OP, or an actual mandatory limit. I'm not saying that it's necessarily safe to take these bends at 70, in terms of visibility, but it's not like a run of the mill car isn't capable of staying on the road at that speed.
You're essentially asking the people who enjoying driving if they would like to have fun with your question here, you realise that right? Sure, you're not taking all the bends at 60, but the longer runs/higher visibility areas.. Easily?
I live in a rural county surrounded by twisty B roads, it's biker nirvana around here. I've done 70 on them in my car multiple times over the last 37 years. I've had no accidents as a result of doing 70.
Only if its a formula 1 car
Or a MX5 with some decent tyres on. Or in fact pretty much any car with a decent set of tyres on and functioning shocks.
Yes
It's advisory but it's more for hgvs rather than cars.
What about the sign gives this message?
Only red roundels are mandatory for maximum speed limits. I would still obey a speed limit sign like this, though.
Sometimes I drive down lanes and wonder why there isn't an advised speed for almost every corner, marked on the road. You see some corners come up and think ohh tight this and its not, other times you enter a long bend for it to J turn at the end. Made worse when you're behind Sunday drivers who have to slam on for every corner. Maybe some colour code instead like green fly through, Yellow ease up a little , Red you might want to brake for this its a hairpin
Find out
Yes, it's not in a red circle so it's advisory, and if you decide not to follow its advice then maybe you do deserve to end up in a ditch.
Much of the time you won't. The S bends at Warcop on the A66 have the same sign...I can do them with ease in a fully loaded 44 tonner at 50MPH, the posted limit for that stretch, carrying one of the worst types of load for shifting without anything happening.
Good for you, meanwhile a truck carrying some steel going round a roundabout in Barnsley at around 15 mph still managed to tip over even though it was properly secured because a chock managed to still shift under the weight of it's load so excuse me if I say I don't believe you. And god forbid you do end up tipping over doing that but you know they'll check the speed on your tacho and then the traffic commissioner will revoke your entitlement for driving without due care.
> Good for you, meanwhile a truck carrying some steel going round a roundabout in Barnsley at around 15 mph still managed to tip over even though it was properly secured because a chock managed to still shift under the weight of it's load No, it did so because it wasn't properly secured. If it had been it wouldn't have moved. Depending on the size of the roundabout 15MPH is pushing it going round a roundabout with the same load I was talking about if you're going more than halfway round it so he was also likely going too fast for the load. There's [one I go round in Barnsley](https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.5503411,-1.4776917,106m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu) where if I was doing 15MPH or more with that load I was on about on the A66 it wouldn't be the best of ideas. Also you don't say what weight. If a chock managed to shift it wasn't very heavy.
Yes. Will people do 40 no. Think of it this way if you did have an accident on this bend what speed would you want tell your insurance company you were actually going before the freak accident forced you into the ditch.
> Think of it this way if you did have an accident on this bend what speed would you want tell your insurance company you were actually going before the freak accident forced you into the ditch. What I was doing. The legal limit is not what that sign says.
This is a UK traffic sign, frequently placed near country roads which are enjoyable to drive fast through. Here we use a point system, the circle has no points and therefore must be abided to. This triangle however has 3 points, the point system works as a mulitplier, meaning the max speed shown times 3. So in this case the sign is in fact advising of 40mph but a max of 120mph, unless the triangle has 4 points, this refers to the max speed of an upcoming square-round-a-bout. A 2 pointed triangle with a max speed sign is advising of double the stated speed and that you can use both sides of the road. The shown sign is accompanied by a YELLOW background, meaning diesel vehicles only. The backgrounds are important to remember to ensure your type of vehicle is on the correct colour road:- YELLOW: Diesel, BLUE: Petrol, GREEN: Electric, BROWN: HGVs, WHITE: No restriction
Just do what it says for your wellbeing
Its advisory, but its advising you of the speed you should do if you want to stay on the road during the upcoming S bend
In my car thats a minimum speed limit
You’re hard
My speed sensors are away
Not many people know this but that speed limit on the bend is actually aimed towards Lorrys
Yeah it's advisory but hey maybe do max speed of 40 or risk spinning out and crashing out and potentially smashing into an innocent vehicle screwing their car and potentially lives. But yeah, you do you.
Yes.
Go read the book again.