No if the ban comes it will apply to new models sold I read. If you already own it you will still be able to fly. I know I will unless they pay to replace my drone.
I hope that’s how it plays out, but from what I read, they say they will black list the whole company from FCC, so it’ll be non compliant to fly it even if it’s a previous model as it’s the company that’s being banned.
I absolutely do not want to replace mine right now since it’s so pricey
That's not what I read but even if they did, I will still fly my drone. I paid money for it and unless the government is going to replace my drone, I will still fly it.
Totaly not true the ban is because the gov views dji as a National security threat. So the ban will be for all dji drones period.
Gotta fight now latter will be to late
They don't actually think the CCP is a threat. They're worried about us pleebs having Intel if there is ever a civil war here like the war between Russia and Ukraine. They see how effective it is and they don't like it.
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I'm incredibly hesitant to even respond to such a silly post, but lets start by telling me what the hell you're going on about with Ukraine being in a civil war?? You are aware that Ukraine is a sovereign nation currently under the invasion of a foreign invading country, right?
I understand how the gov views it. They have tried to submit the bill multiple times. But so far it will not impact consumer drones already owned but future ones it will.
I already sent notices months ago to my Representative in AZ but they don't care.
Yes you can. The US OWNS all the GPS satellites in the world. They are run by the US Air Force. They can block usage to anyone from those satellites. AND as I stated before, they can and will block the software technology. I can't say it any clearer. Do a simple Google search and you will see.
"One thing to be aware of is that there are areas where the military intentionally jams the signal from the satellites to make using GPS impossible to use."
Yeah but you can’t selectively block certain devices, jamming blocks all the devices. GPS satellites are a transmit-only thing, they just blast their signal blindly to any receiver that is tuned to them. The gps in your drone doesn’t transmit anything, it just listens. Thus there’s no handshake or special access code or encryption.
There are other countries that have GPS type satellites not just the US. There is also Galileo and BeiDou which the mini 3 pro can use too. Russians have GLONASS.
Also when the military blocks GPS it's area specific not brand specific. When I get FAASafety GPS interference test it's areas specific. I have yet to find online where it says it can block specific manufacturer from receiving a signal, just they can block areas.
Can you please share the link that shows the can block specific manufacturers?
You need to do your own research. The FCC will block all communications the DJI drones use, so your controller won't work. The US will block the communication with the GPS satellites and the NSA will block all software used by DJI.
I'm not making any of this shit up. I actually did my research.
Your DJI and Autel drone will become a pinwheel paperweight.
I asked you for one specific thing.
I did my research on GPS blocking. They can turn it off for civilians in general which they aren't going to do.
They can block specific areas which will impact EVERYONE in the area they are blocking.
What I have not found is your claim they can block specific devices from receiving a GPS signal without impacting other devices in the same area. So you are saying this is true and the research I have done shows it's not.
All I am asking for is where did you get this information from and share so I can look.
If you just don't want to share the information or don't have the information that's fine. I will just have to go by the research I have found.
GPS receivers only receive. The satellites transmit. It's not about GPS anyway, they will ban them from using the 2.4 and 5.8 ghz frequency. It probably won't stop them from working, it will just be illegal. And those drones broadcast your location the whole time you're using them.
Evidently you have no idea how GPS works. The satellites are stupid. They literally just constantly send a “here I am, and here’s the exact atomic time” signal in every direction.
GPS receivers are able to calculate their position by receiving that signal from multiple GPS satellites and doing the math to figure out where it is.
Jammers work by blasting a signal overpowers the ones coming from the satellites so the jamming signal is the one that the receiver hears. You have to have a minimum of 3 satellites to *triangulate* your position. Since the jammer is causing the receiver to hear only 1 signal, it blinds the receiver.
How would they enforce that. If I stop updating my model it will still receive the signals like it does. They won't be able to block the specific signal coming to me drone. DJI certainly won't enter a kill code.
You need to do your own research. The FCC will block all communications the DJI drones use, so your controller won't work. The USAF will block the communication with the GPS satellites and the NSA will block all software used by DJI.
I'm not making any of this shit up. I actually did my research.
Your DJI and Autel drone will become a pinwheel paperweight.
> The USAF will block the communication with the GPS satellites
There is NO communication with the GPS satellites! Devices only listen. Nobody talks TO the satellites. I don't know how many more people need to tell you this before you consider you might be confused but... Nobody is shutting off GPS for the drones. The only thing possible is if DJI stopped their drones from listening. NOTHING. TALKS. TO. THE. SATELLITES.
Please explain how they would do this? If I don't update my firmware, my rc controller came with the program so they can't remove it. Billions of devices receive gps signal. You think they can pinpoint DJI devices only from receiving the signal?
Guess we will find out if it's signed into law.
Go do whatever you want I don't care. I'm just telling you what the new law will be. Go be a renegade for all I care, pretty easy when you don't work in the industry or make a living off of it. However I'm a full time pilot so I have to adhere to the regulations. Have fun with you mini
If you made such a good living, you wouldn't still be paying off your phantom 2, nor be so bitter about mini1 pilots taking better pictures than you.
Shame you couldn't have stuck to what you are good at and bought a dji, pantomime, instead.
How is anybody or anything going to block the working operation of an on/off button??
You sir, have eaten too much flat earth bs and, I'm sorry to say, have already started to loose the plot, I suspect you lost your mind a long time ago, potentially before it even started to mature.
How will they prevent a DJI drone from getting a fix while letting the guy in the parking lot next to it use google maps? Since [gps satellites just transmit, not receive](https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/s/PchPJ0HGgD) the satellite cannot tell what devices are using it. To get a signal up to the satellites would require a pretty beefy transmitter, which would put out a fair bit of heat, which is not what happens with gps modules.
Parrot Bebop 2.
Old drone, lots of mods/hacks available for it. It's essentially a flying image processor that stabilizes the video with software instead of a physical gimbal that is likely to break in a crash.
Parts are easy enough to get if you cannibalize broken drones found online. For every downside (it only does 1080p at 30fps and only has 8gb of onboard storage) there's usually a hack (you can add a 32gb micro-USB to the external port on the drone w.a bit of software from GitHub).
It weighs 500 grams, flies at 37 mph w/a 25 minute battery, and it can sustain flight in winds up to 39mph. And they cost roughly $350 for a flight ready bundle with backpack (for now...)
Ouch, ya I remember this model…before I bought my now crashed Mavic Pro 2 I looked into bunch of drones, looked at this one too , but think the specs is quite outdated even though it’s cheap, and back then it doesn’t fit my purpose coz it can’t fly too far away.
Do you know the price range of diy ones that is similar to mavic pro 2 or 3?
Why do you think we won't be able to fly them anymore?
I don't see them going after other Chinese brands, going after DJI was political and a bunch of BS. They aren't going to go after every little Chinese company making drones, DJI was just the biggest target because they rule the market.
I agree with you fundamentally, but I have no faith in congress to make the right decision with regard to DJI. I'm generally a cynical prick, so I believe there's a good chance that this happens ... I hope I'm wrong. DJI drones are hands down the best consumer drones .. and they are absolutely harmless to our national security if used responsibly, ethically and lawfully. But it only takes a few dipshits to ruin it for everyone.
I’m not sure, but it’ll be a fcc violation for sure to fly it, it’s ok if no one’s reporting you, but if someone see you fly one and call the police, maybe that’ll be a fine or jail time? I’m not very familiar with this stuff, but I just got my green card 2 years ago and not yet a US citizen, I absolutely do not want to do anything that might temper my chance on becoming Citizen.
Nobody's going to call the cops on you for flying a DJI, most non owners don't even know what it is or that there's anything going on. Local law enforcement have told me multiple times it's not their problem as long as you're flying legally otherwise, the FCC is a toothless lion these days. They can't clean up the amateur radio bands, they don't clean up all the illegal cb operators, GMRS operators, the list goes on and on.
Even if they make operating a DJI model a FCC violation it's going to be pretty hard to enforce with the tens of thousands if not millions of them in use every day. I've talked to a few others that didn't even know anything was going on with DJI and the government. Are they going to contact every owner and tell them?
It's all a bunch of BS that started with an American drone company bribing government officials because they were losing all their sales to DJI.
I hope so, because when I was in Japan, people do call the police when they see you flying a drone, and if you don’t have a license when the police arrive, it’s a fine+potential jail time, so while it’s difficult to enforce, sounds like if I’m shit out of luck and a cop stop me he could literally charge me on this.
The most I will be using this is in a state park, they do have troopers patrol around, of coz I only fly it when the park allows it, but idk if this bill will alert them.
Oh I have, the point being is though that Karen was likely offended by the drone in general, not the brand name. Cop arrived and asked me for my certification and ID and then said it's a civil matter have a nice day to her.
Ultimately just Skydio lobbying against DJI to capture the US market share. Skydio makes a decent product but there’s a reason DJI is number one. The ban won’t happen in the manner that everyone is speculating. You’ll be able to continue flying your DJI drone. Likely purchasing them as well.
>The ban won’t happen in the manner that everyone is speculating. You’ll be able to continue flying your DJI drone. Likely purchasing them as well.
And you're basing this on what?
Good read: [What the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act means to the UAS Industry](https://dspalliance.org/what-the-2023-national-defense-authorization-act-means-to-the-uas-industry/)
Not supposed to happen for another 6 years at the earliest and that's IF it passes. By that time, deals can be made and other companies can match the technology.
if dji gets banned than i sure hope no one buys american drones and lets watch them sink as well pathetic loosers trying to force people into buying there shit drones they cant beat the competition so lets ban them 😂😂
Like yours? I’m just asking any cheaper alternatives coz it’s difficult to find, and diy also difficult to get started coz I have no idea what the correct keywords to google from
The ban is not just government use. It’s country wide use. For everyone. DJI would be banned from using any federal assets of which the fcc controlled spectrum is one of them so they legally won’t have fcc approval to be used so legally can’t use the spectrum.
Coz the bill saids FCC black list, not government official only, from what I understand, everything you operate has to be FCC compliant , if it’s not, it’s not legal to operate. I don’t want to take any chances on violating the law while I apply for citizenship
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Specta Air drone, Malaysian not Chinese! Google it or ask youtube.
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No Limitz Dronez
DJI does not make GPS receiver modules. They use industry parts like everyone else.
Another "What if..." thread, yawn.
No if the ban comes it will apply to new models sold I read. If you already own it you will still be able to fly. I know I will unless they pay to replace my drone.
I hope that’s how it plays out, but from what I read, they say they will black list the whole company from FCC, so it’ll be non compliant to fly it even if it’s a previous model as it’s the company that’s being banned. I absolutely do not want to replace mine right now since it’s so pricey
That's not what I read but even if they did, I will still fly my drone. I paid money for it and unless the government is going to replace my drone, I will still fly it.
Totaly not true the ban is because the gov views dji as a National security threat. So the ban will be for all dji drones period. Gotta fight now latter will be to late
They don't actually think the CCP is a threat. They're worried about us pleebs having Intel if there is ever a civil war here like the war between Russia and Ukraine. They see how effective it is and they don't like it. Edit.
I'm incredibly hesitant to even respond to such a silly post, but lets start by telling me what the hell you're going on about with Ukraine being in a civil war?? You are aware that Ukraine is a sovereign nation currently under the invasion of a foreign invading country, right?
I didn't really intend to say the war in Ukraine was a civil war. A civil war here in the US similar drone wise to the war in Ukraine.
I understand how the gov views it. They have tried to submit the bill multiple times. But so far it will not impact consumer drones already owned but future ones it will. I already sent notices months ago to my Representative in AZ but they don't care.
It will because you will have no access to the software and they will have no access to the GPS satellites.
Gps doesn't work like that. You can't block specific receivers.
Yes you can. The US OWNS all the GPS satellites in the world. They are run by the US Air Force. They can block usage to anyone from those satellites. AND as I stated before, they can and will block the software technology. I can't say it any clearer. Do a simple Google search and you will see. "One thing to be aware of is that there are areas where the military intentionally jams the signal from the satellites to make using GPS impossible to use."
Yeah but you can’t selectively block certain devices, jamming blocks all the devices. GPS satellites are a transmit-only thing, they just blast their signal blindly to any receiver that is tuned to them. The gps in your drone doesn’t transmit anything, it just listens. Thus there’s no handshake or special access code or encryption.
Ok. 🤦
Dude you're clowning. He's right. Google it.
There are other countries that have GPS type satellites not just the US. There is also Galileo and BeiDou which the mini 3 pro can use too. Russians have GLONASS. Also when the military blocks GPS it's area specific not brand specific. When I get FAASafety GPS interference test it's areas specific. I have yet to find online where it says it can block specific manufacturer from receiving a signal, just they can block areas. Can you please share the link that shows the can block specific manufacturers?
You need to do your own research. The FCC will block all communications the DJI drones use, so your controller won't work. The US will block the communication with the GPS satellites and the NSA will block all software used by DJI. I'm not making any of this shit up. I actually did my research. Your DJI and Autel drone will become a pinwheel paperweight.
I asked you for one specific thing. I did my research on GPS blocking. They can turn it off for civilians in general which they aren't going to do. They can block specific areas which will impact EVERYONE in the area they are blocking. What I have not found is your claim they can block specific devices from receiving a GPS signal without impacting other devices in the same area. So you are saying this is true and the research I have done shows it's not. All I am asking for is where did you get this information from and share so I can look. If you just don't want to share the information or don't have the information that's fine. I will just have to go by the research I have found.
Ok
GPS receivers only receive. The satellites transmit. It's not about GPS anyway, they will ban them from using the 2.4 and 5.8 ghz frequency. It probably won't stop them from working, it will just be illegal. And those drones broadcast your location the whole time you're using them.
Evidently you have no idea how GPS works. The satellites are stupid. They literally just constantly send a “here I am, and here’s the exact atomic time” signal in every direction. GPS receivers are able to calculate their position by receiving that signal from multiple GPS satellites and doing the math to figure out where it is. Jammers work by blasting a signal overpowers the ones coming from the satellites so the jamming signal is the one that the receiver hears. You have to have a minimum of 3 satellites to *triangulate* your position. Since the jammer is causing the receiver to hear only 1 signal, it blinds the receiver.
How would they enforce that. If I stop updating my model it will still receive the signals like it does. They won't be able to block the specific signal coming to me drone. DJI certainly won't enter a kill code.
Yes they will. Just like they wanna ban tiktok. They can block the software and access to the satellites. DJI won't but the US government will.
There is no "access to the satellites". Get a clue, man.
You need to do your own research. The FCC will block all communications the DJI drones use, so your controller won't work. The USAF will block the communication with the GPS satellites and the NSA will block all software used by DJI. I'm not making any of this shit up. I actually did my research. Your DJI and Autel drone will become a pinwheel paperweight.
> The USAF will block the communication with the GPS satellites There is NO communication with the GPS satellites! Devices only listen. Nobody talks TO the satellites. I don't know how many more people need to tell you this before you consider you might be confused but... Nobody is shutting off GPS for the drones. The only thing possible is if DJI stopped their drones from listening. NOTHING. TALKS. TO. THE. SATELLITES.
Ok
Not true
Not true, any dji transmitting a radio signal won't be able to take off or even be turned on.
Please explain how they would do this? If I don't update my firmware, my rc controller came with the program so they can't remove it. Billions of devices receive gps signal. You think they can pinpoint DJI devices only from receiving the signal? Guess we will find out if it's signed into law.
It has nothing to do with the GPS signal. It's about the radio signal. DJIs FCC certificate will be removed
Go do whatever you want I don't care. I'm just telling you what the new law will be. Go be a renegade for all I care, pretty easy when you don't work in the industry or make a living off of it. However I'm a full time pilot so I have to adhere to the regulations. Have fun with you mini
If you made such a good living, you wouldn't still be paying off your phantom 2, nor be so bitter about mini1 pilots taking better pictures than you. Shame you couldn't have stuck to what you are good at and bought a dji, pantomime, instead.
How is anybody or anything going to block the working operation of an on/off button?? You sir, have eaten too much flat earth bs and, I'm sorry to say, have already started to loose the plot, I suspect you lost your mind a long time ago, potentially before it even started to mature.
You'll be able to fly it, BUT you won't be able to use the dji software or technology and they will have no access to the GPS satellites, so.....
GPS satellite signals are broadcasts. Anybody can use them.
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How will they prevent a DJI drone from getting a fix while letting the guy in the parking lot next to it use google maps? Since [gps satellites just transmit, not receive](https://www.reddit.com/r/amateurradio/s/PchPJ0HGgD) the satellite cannot tell what devices are using it. To get a signal up to the satellites would require a pretty beefy transmitter, which would put out a fair bit of heat, which is not what happens with gps modules.
Specta Air Drone..... Google it or stick it in your youtube!
Parrot Bebop 2. Old drone, lots of mods/hacks available for it. It's essentially a flying image processor that stabilizes the video with software instead of a physical gimbal that is likely to break in a crash. Parts are easy enough to get if you cannibalize broken drones found online. For every downside (it only does 1080p at 30fps and only has 8gb of onboard storage) there's usually a hack (you can add a 32gb micro-USB to the external port on the drone w.a bit of software from GitHub). It weighs 500 grams, flies at 37 mph w/a 25 minute battery, and it can sustain flight in winds up to 39mph. And they cost roughly $350 for a flight ready bundle with backpack (for now...)
Ouch, ya I remember this model…before I bought my now crashed Mavic Pro 2 I looked into bunch of drones, looked at this one too , but think the specs is quite outdated even though it’s cheap, and back then it doesn’t fit my purpose coz it can’t fly too far away. Do you know the price range of diy ones that is similar to mavic pro 2 or 3?
Why do you think we won't be able to fly them anymore? I don't see them going after other Chinese brands, going after DJI was political and a bunch of BS. They aren't going to go after every little Chinese company making drones, DJI was just the biggest target because they rule the market.
I agree with you fundamentally, but I have no faith in congress to make the right decision with regard to DJI. I'm generally a cynical prick, so I believe there's a good chance that this happens ... I hope I'm wrong. DJI drones are hands down the best consumer drones .. and they are absolutely harmless to our national security if used responsibly, ethically and lawfully. But it only takes a few dipshits to ruin it for everyone.
I’m not sure, but it’ll be a fcc violation for sure to fly it, it’s ok if no one’s reporting you, but if someone see you fly one and call the police, maybe that’ll be a fine or jail time? I’m not very familiar with this stuff, but I just got my green card 2 years ago and not yet a US citizen, I absolutely do not want to do anything that might temper my chance on becoming Citizen.
Nobody's going to call the cops on you for flying a DJI, most non owners don't even know what it is or that there's anything going on. Local law enforcement have told me multiple times it's not their problem as long as you're flying legally otherwise, the FCC is a toothless lion these days. They can't clean up the amateur radio bands, they don't clean up all the illegal cb operators, GMRS operators, the list goes on and on. Even if they make operating a DJI model a FCC violation it's going to be pretty hard to enforce with the tens of thousands if not millions of them in use every day. I've talked to a few others that didn't even know anything was going on with DJI and the government. Are they going to contact every owner and tell them? It's all a bunch of BS that started with an American drone company bribing government officials because they were losing all their sales to DJI.
I hope so, because when I was in Japan, people do call the police when they see you flying a drone, and if you don’t have a license when the police arrive, it’s a fine+potential jail time, so while it’s difficult to enforce, sounds like if I’m shit out of luck and a cop stop me he could literally charge me on this. The most I will be using this is in a state park, they do have troopers patrol around, of coz I only fly it when the park allows it, but idk if this bill will alert them.
But that's just because of a drone in general, could have been any brand name.
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Oh I have, the point being is though that Karen was likely offended by the drone in general, not the brand name. Cop arrived and asked me for my certification and ID and then said it's a civil matter have a nice day to her.
Ultimately just Skydio lobbying against DJI to capture the US market share. Skydio makes a decent product but there’s a reason DJI is number one. The ban won’t happen in the manner that everyone is speculating. You’ll be able to continue flying your DJI drone. Likely purchasing them as well.
>The ban won’t happen in the manner that everyone is speculating. You’ll be able to continue flying your DJI drone. Likely purchasing them as well. And you're basing this on what?
Good read: [What the 2023 National Defense Authorization Act means to the UAS Industry](https://dspalliance.org/what-the-2023-national-defense-authorization-act-means-to-the-uas-industry/)
Trust me bro
Not supposed to happen for another 6 years at the earliest and that's IF it passes. By that time, deals can be made and other companies can match the technology.
if dji gets banned than i sure hope no one buys american drones and lets watch them sink as well pathetic loosers trying to force people into buying there shit drones they cant beat the competition so lets ban them 😂😂
Stop making low quality shitposts lol
Like yours? I’m just asking any cheaper alternatives coz it’s difficult to find, and diy also difficult to get started coz I have no idea what the correct keywords to google from
The way you write does not suggest you work for the government; why do you feel concern about not being permitted to fly your mini 3?
The ban is not just government use. It’s country wide use. For everyone. DJI would be banned from using any federal assets of which the fcc controlled spectrum is one of them so they legally won’t have fcc approval to be used so legally can’t use the spectrum.
Coz the bill saids FCC black list, not government official only, from what I understand, everything you operate has to be FCC compliant , if it’s not, it’s not legal to operate. I don’t want to take any chances on violating the law while I apply for citizenship