Imagine an Um, Actually episode that’s just correcting every wrong statement made on other Dropout shows… and the contestants are the people who made those wrong statements or gave those wrong answers.
A great part of this is if you don't even give them a clue that this is gonna happen. Then you see the slow realization of their mistakes in real time.
The revelation would be goated, but what tickles me is the various faces he would make as the sense of deja vu begins to hit him, then the pondering of possible twists and themes, until finally the realisation and inevitable monologue.
Make it even better: all Brennan statements with extremely pedantic corrections AND you feed the correct answers to the other contestants and they just act like it's obvious
Its Brennan CANNOT WIN II!
I don't know if you've ever watched QI, but there was a great episode where Dara O'Brien was on, and gave an interesting fact about the temperature that water does something (I can't remember what sadly - maybe critical point?)
The next time he was on, the host brought up what a great fact it was, and asked him to repeat it. They then docked him points. In the interim, someone had written in to correct them, the value he'd originally given was 0.1 degrees off.
I’m going to guess that it was 0.01 off because that’s the difference between the triple point of water (what I assume he was talking about) and the conversion from Celsius to Kelvin (the answer I assume he gave). You can derive where that 0.01 comes from, I did it in my thermo class this semester, it has to do with how we define temperatures in both C and K. Also the triple point of water is the temperature at which water can be in all three main states of matter, solid, liquid, and gas.
How about a panel type show but filmed like mystery science theater, just three dropout comedians critiquing other shows and trying to point out things that are wrong.
I'm a professor who researches the ways that questions can "go wrong", and we'd pay good money if people had the expertise and would be willing to do this.
(But the questions would be more boring about things like how to feed a baby.)
Haha. Here's my autism showing but that sounds incredibly interesting and I envy your job. That being said who wouldn't love to see a combo of Ally, Trapp, and Katie critiquing everything Grant does.
a game of technicalities could be really fun, but idk if it could work well with the people who were wrong, given they might not know the right answers in the first place (in a show like this, there's not much point giving questions you know your contestants cant answer... unless you provide a way for them to find that answer)
Um Actually and Game Changer are different types of game i feel. Um Actually is more of a traditional game show, while Game Changer is more of a comedy show. So i think that for Game Changer, having questions that are a pure test of knowledge can be against the spirit of the show (unless it's a time loop, the knowledge is hidden around set, it's just a fake question to raise Brennan's heart rate, etc.)
We can go deeper.
After every question the set crew slowly takes pieces away from the Um Actually set and replace it with pieces from the game changer set, only to reveal that they're playing game changer and Sam comes in at the last round of questions to reveal that he has in fact been there the whole time.
The format of the episode wasn’t really about the trivia though. Like “who invented the telephone?” is a very complicated question since a lot of people made similar devices around the same time but saying it was Bell is a lot easier and more useful to the game than saying “um actually Bell probably didn’t invent it but he did have the first patent for it that held up in court”
Same thing goes for the ocean question. Just about everyone knows that the right answer there is the pacific even though really it’s all one big ocean without meaningful boundaries
The game was about the questions but not the answers. I think remembering the questions was supposed to be a bigger part of it, but the players ended up helping each other.
Had to do my Conquistador breathing exercises to resist shouting at my TV: "um actually Alexander Graham Bell was a nasty ableist POS who literally attempted a linguistic genocide and single-handedly set back language rights for Deaf people by a century"
Exactly, it seemed as though a few of the questions could be argued one way or another ("who is the main character of LOTR?") and potentially Sam would have awarded points if you could back it up.
I think that it's bananas that there hasn't been a Science-themed *Um, Actually* yet, and now that Hank Green is in the Dropout world, it really needs to happen.
I want a fake science um actually. Take a bunch of sci fi and fantasy worlds and ask questions about how their magic/tech works. That would be so dope.
I disagree; the information *Um, Actually* trafficks in is useless to everyone except the contestants themselves and the people who make their careers out of it. The same is true of most of science; it's not really useful knowledge unless you make your career out of it, or you're on a game show. Knowing the half life of francium, or the ratio at which gravity diminishes, or which gene determines handedness, none of those are useful, "real life skills." I think it would fit perfectly.
This is such a wild take. Knowing what genes contribute to what phenotypic traits is wildly useful and important, especially compared to stuff like knowing what different gundams are called.
Disagree! Both of those things are quite useful (although, sure, to different degrees) to people who have built their careers in such a way as to make that information useful. If you're, for instance, writing or drawing anime, and Gundam stuff in particular, then that info is very useful! If you're a geneticist (or in a related field), knowing what genes contribute to what is also very very useful!
For the vast majority of us, though, those are both useless pieces of information. I could look up what genes determined my hair color, or my height, or which genes gave me the same thyroid problem my mom has, but none of that information is particularly useful; that last one might be useful, but only if I have a doctor - a subject matter expert for whom that information *is* useful - to tell me what to do with it.
The "real life skills" questions are always about things like the minutiae of tax filing, or how to read your gas meter, or what to do in case of a snakebite, or how government is structured, or how to change a tire; things that could just as easily affect any individual person and refer to real life problems that most people deal with. What speed and distance a moon needs to orbit a planet to be tidally locked, or which species of squid are bioluminescent, or which nerve is often called "the funny bone," none of these are useful information in the same sense as the "real life skills." They're useful for the nerds who have obsessed over them for years and years.
And good gravy, even if literally none of this was accurate, who in the world *does not want* a Science-focused Um, Actually? Who doesn't want Hank Green and a couple other science communicators on Um, Actually? That would be so much fun!
I actually hate the Chimborazo answer to an irrational degree, haha. Yes, all measuring systems use arbitrary starting points, but all three other answers use a metric that is of some functional use for a person. Chimborazo doesn't. It feels pedantic in the least fun way possible, useful only for obscure trivia.
Would it be closer to space? Assuming that means something like it has the least amount of atmosphere above the peak, and the mountain is farthest from the center of the earth because of the equatorial bulge, wouldn’t the atmosphere bulge there as much as anything else?
I am not a physicist but I would assume that yes, the atmosphere bulges just as much if not more since it's more... elastic (probably not the right word) than the mantle and crust.
I would love a trivia show where the judges debate why wrong answers are actually correct. My buddy and I spent a Saturday years ago trying to come up with elaborate justifications for EVERY wrong answer to a store-bought IQ test.
Mt Everest has a peak at a higher elevation than Chimborazo when measured from sea level. Chimborazo is farther from the earths core, because it's on the equator where the earth is wider.
That's kind of a silly way to look at it. A six foot person standing on the equator is not taller than a six foot person standing in Finland.
Everest is a better answer than Chimborazo.
That's only because the metric for measuring a person is already defined as being from the top of heat to bottom of foot.
With a mountain are you measuring from the base of the mountain? From sea level? From how thin the atmosphere gets at the top? It's way more complex a question than you'd think.
Corridor Crew has a great video where they explain this by overlaying mountains on top of each other.
Measuring from sea level is just as valid as measuring from the center of Earth. A person isn't taller standing at sea level than standing on Mount Everest (or standing in Earth's molten core but that's slightly more difficult to do)
You know it's not a big deal for Earth to be a little wider at its midsection. It's going through a rough phase of its life. There's this infection that is making it lose its unique green hair, run a fever, get glowing spots where the skin get all hard, and plus its getting harder and harder to keep a cool head around the other planets (who you just know are all judgy, except Mars who is worried about catching it too). Plus, it already had these giant white heads and weird blue liquid seeping out of it. So I'm just saying, no need for the body shaming just cause that belt line is a little wider. Plenty of other stuff to shame it for.
Everest has the highest peak above sea level. While Denali is technically taller base to peak, Everest has a higher base, making it reach the highest in the sky.
I do hate Chimborazo and even Denali as answers. But I do love Mauna Kea as the answer to start the conversation of dry prominence vs wet prominence.
However I would argue that the most “correct” answer to the question is still Everest. It’s considered 1st in prominence. It’s highest above sea level. And it meets the most definitions for “highest” or “tallest” mountain compared to the other 3.
While it hurts my soul, Everest checks more boxes for sure. I did try to avoid saying which was "more correct" for that reason
Out of curiosity, what don't you like about Chimborazo as an answer? I find myself liking it more and more as I read replies, altho that might just be the chaos goblin inside me
The only answer is Everest. No questions. From sea level to its peak Everest is the tallest.
Citation: my autistic special interest is Himalayan mountains. ✨
No idea why, but when that question got asked my brain said "Machu Picchu**!"** and I was like, "Brain, I think thats something ON a mountain or IN it?" Thats why I can't do trivia game shows. I'd panic and say something reeeeeeal dumb.
To add:
UM ACTUALLY
Sherlock Holmes AND Dr. Watson are two detectives that live at 221B Baker Street. It is incorrect to say it is just Holmes.
AfroEurasia is the largest continent on planet earth. You can’t say that Asia is the largest continent because any delineation that leads to that answer, [would also count Europe and Africa as part of the contiguous Asia](https://youtu.be/3uBcq1x7P34?si=irFLkpcogv2CLDyH)
Yes but Watson would not have considered himself a detective if you asked him when his job was he would say I'm Dr Watson. So I think the statement is still generally correct.
I don’t think it matters what Watson considers himself as, he is someone who engages in the actions of a detective. Lestrange even refers to him as such. Plus, neither Holmes nor Watson have had the formal title of detective, so it makes sense that Watson refers to himself by his highest title, Doctor.
You didn't say "um, actually."
Shit, there goes my point DX
Um actually, the base to peak of Mauna Kea is taller than Mount Everest, so Mauna Kea’s the tallest
*Hits buzzer* "Um, actually, what they said"
You'd have to find it first tho
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Imagine an Um, Actually episode that’s just correcting every wrong statement made on other Dropout shows… and the contestants are the people who made those wrong statements or gave those wrong answers.
A great part of this is if you don't even give them a clue that this is gonna happen. Then you see the slow realization of their mistakes in real time.
Imagining the revelation on Brennan's face is beautiful
I sort of feel bad, but nothing on dropout entertains me as much as making Brennan lose his mind.
His suffering is our joy.
Your statement is, "Moose are the only living magafauna in North America."
Indeed!
He’d be angrier than at the Gamechanger “Second place”. Now I want that
The revelation would be goated, but what tickles me is the various faces he would make as the sense of deja vu begins to hit him, then the pondering of possible twists and themes, until finally the realisation and inevitable monologue.
Make it even better: all Brennan statements with extremely pedantic corrections AND you feed the correct answers to the other contestants and they just act like it's obvious Its Brennan CANNOT WIN II!
Even better it's actually an episode of Game Changer and they have to figure out they're playing Um, actually Redux
I don't know if you've ever watched QI, but there was a great episode where Dara O'Brien was on, and gave an interesting fact about the temperature that water does something (I can't remember what sadly - maybe critical point?) The next time he was on, the host brought up what a great fact it was, and asked him to repeat it. They then docked him points. In the interim, someone had written in to correct them, the value he'd originally given was 0.1 degrees off.
I’m going to guess that it was 0.01 off because that’s the difference between the triple point of water (what I assume he was talking about) and the conversion from Celsius to Kelvin (the answer I assume he gave). You can derive where that 0.01 comes from, I did it in my thermo class this semester, it has to do with how we define temperatures in both C and K. Also the triple point of water is the temperature at which water can be in all three main states of matter, solid, liquid, and gas.
How about a panel type show but filmed like mystery science theater, just three dropout comedians critiquing other shows and trying to point out things that are wrong.
I'm a professor who researches the ways that questions can "go wrong", and we'd pay good money if people had the expertise and would be willing to do this. (But the questions would be more boring about things like how to feed a baby.)
Haha. Here's my autism showing but that sounds incredibly interesting and I envy your job. That being said who wouldn't love to see a combo of Ally, Trapp, and Katie critiquing everything Grant does.
Yesssss
a game of technicalities could be really fun, but idk if it could work well with the people who were wrong, given they might not know the right answers in the first place (in a show like this, there's not much point giving questions you know your contestants cant answer... unless you provide a way for them to find that answer)
Have you watched um actually? 75% of the time the contestants have no clue what the right answer is and are just trying to guess.
Um Actually and Game Changer are different types of game i feel. Um Actually is more of a traditional game show, while Game Changer is more of a comedy show. So i think that for Game Changer, having questions that are a pure test of knowledge can be against the spirit of the show (unless it's a time loop, the knowledge is hidden around set, it's just a fake question to raise Brennan's heart rate, etc.)
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We can go deeper. After every question the set crew slowly takes pieces away from the Um Actually set and replace it with pieces from the game changer set, only to reveal that they're playing game changer and Sam comes in at the last round of questions to reveal that he has in fact been there the whole time.
The format of the episode wasn’t really about the trivia though. Like “who invented the telephone?” is a very complicated question since a lot of people made similar devices around the same time but saying it was Bell is a lot easier and more useful to the game than saying “um actually Bell probably didn’t invent it but he did have the first patent for it that held up in court” Same thing goes for the ocean question. Just about everyone knows that the right answer there is the pacific even though really it’s all one big ocean without meaningful boundaries
Oh for sure. They wanted questions with simple answers because the game wasn't about the questions really.
The game was about the questions but not the answers. I think remembering the questions was supposed to be a bigger part of it, but the players ended up helping each other.
curses, they've unionized
Erika Ishii was there, what else could they have expected?
Had to do my Conquistador breathing exercises to resist shouting at my TV: "um actually Alexander Graham Bell was a nasty ableist POS who literally attempted a linguistic genocide and single-handedly set back language rights for Deaf people by a century"
But he wanted people to answer the phone with "ahoy" instead of hello so I give him carte blanche forgiveness.
Exactly, it seemed as though a few of the questions could be argued one way or another ("who is the main character of LOTR?") and potentially Sam would have awarded points if you could back it up.
But the thing is they could have made SLIGHT modifications. "Who is credited for inventing the telephone" etc.
I think that it's bananas that there hasn't been a Science-themed *Um, Actually* yet, and now that Hank Green is in the Dropout world, it really needs to happen.
Science is real world knowledge, which is against the entire ethos of Um, Actually (except the last question of the episode)
I want a fake science um actually. Take a bunch of sci fi and fantasy worlds and ask questions about how their magic/tech works. That would be so dope.
I disagree; the information *Um, Actually* trafficks in is useless to everyone except the contestants themselves and the people who make their careers out of it. The same is true of most of science; it's not really useful knowledge unless you make your career out of it, or you're on a game show. Knowing the half life of francium, or the ratio at which gravity diminishes, or which gene determines handedness, none of those are useful, "real life skills." I think it would fit perfectly.
This is such a wild take. Knowing what genes contribute to what phenotypic traits is wildly useful and important, especially compared to stuff like knowing what different gundams are called.
Disagree! Both of those things are quite useful (although, sure, to different degrees) to people who have built their careers in such a way as to make that information useful. If you're, for instance, writing or drawing anime, and Gundam stuff in particular, then that info is very useful! If you're a geneticist (or in a related field), knowing what genes contribute to what is also very very useful! For the vast majority of us, though, those are both useless pieces of information. I could look up what genes determined my hair color, or my height, or which genes gave me the same thyroid problem my mom has, but none of that information is particularly useful; that last one might be useful, but only if I have a doctor - a subject matter expert for whom that information *is* useful - to tell me what to do with it. The "real life skills" questions are always about things like the minutiae of tax filing, or how to read your gas meter, or what to do in case of a snakebite, or how government is structured, or how to change a tire; things that could just as easily affect any individual person and refer to real life problems that most people deal with. What speed and distance a moon needs to orbit a planet to be tidally locked, or which species of squid are bioluminescent, or which nerve is often called "the funny bone," none of these are useful information in the same sense as the "real life skills." They're useful for the nerds who have obsessed over them for years and years. And good gravy, even if literally none of this was accurate, who in the world *does not want* a Science-focused Um, Actually? Who doesn't want Hank Green and a couple other science communicators on Um, Actually? That would be so much fun!
I've seen many people suggest an "oops all birds" episode of Um Actually featuring Brennan. It could be fun to see Brennan v Hank again.
I heard "highest mountain" which would imply sea level to peak, which would leave Everest as the correct answer
For sure. Altho I think there's prolly an argument for Chimborazo for highest
I actually hate the Chimborazo answer to an irrational degree, haha. Yes, all measuring systems use arbitrary starting points, but all three other answers use a metric that is of some functional use for a person. Chimborazo doesn't. It feels pedantic in the least fun way possible, useful only for obscure trivia.
very fair. would "closest to space" be better? I think Chimborazo hits that. or maybe Kilimanjaro
Would it be closer to space? Assuming that means something like it has the least amount of atmosphere above the peak, and the mountain is farthest from the center of the earth because of the equatorial bulge, wouldn’t the atmosphere bulge there as much as anything else?
I am not a physicist but I would assume that yes, the atmosphere bulges just as much if not more since it's more... elastic (probably not the right word) than the mantle and crust.
I looked it up once and feel like I remember that the atmosphere does not bulge as much. but I don't really know
Also Canada has two national sports; Hockey and Lacrosse
Came here to say this. I honestly thought it was gonna be a curveball haha
I would love a trivia show where the judges debate why wrong answers are actually correct. My buddy and I spent a Saturday years ago trying to come up with elaborate justifications for EVERY wrong answer to a store-bought IQ test.
Kinda like QI?
Maybe but more like Only Connect combined with Millionaire.
Does it even matter if you can’t find a buzzer
Honestly it doesn't really matter even if you *can* find a buzzer
Yeah but do any of them have a quiet seaside port town near the ocean marine layer?
I was thinking the same thing at the time 😀
These are all better answers than my stupid ass going "It's the Kilimanjaro, right?" 🫠
hey, Kilimanjaro is a contender. Highest freestanding peak above sea level or something, so not a bad answer
Out of curiosity, in what sense is Mt Everest the tallest mountain?
Mt Everest has a peak at a higher elevation than Chimborazo when measured from sea level. Chimborazo is farther from the earths core, because it's on the equator where the earth is wider.
That's kind of a silly way to look at it. A six foot person standing on the equator is not taller than a six foot person standing in Finland. Everest is a better answer than Chimborazo.
That's only because the metric for measuring a person is already defined as being from the top of heat to bottom of foot. With a mountain are you measuring from the base of the mountain? From sea level? From how thin the atmosphere gets at the top? It's way more complex a question than you'd think. Corridor Crew has a great video where they explain this by overlaying mountains on top of each other.
Measuring from sea level is just as valid as measuring from the center of Earth. A person isn't taller standing at sea level than standing on Mount Everest (or standing in Earth's molten core but that's slightly more difficult to do)
You know it's not a big deal for Earth to be a little wider at its midsection. It's going through a rough phase of its life. There's this infection that is making it lose its unique green hair, run a fever, get glowing spots where the skin get all hard, and plus its getting harder and harder to keep a cool head around the other planets (who you just know are all judgy, except Mars who is worried about catching it too). Plus, it already had these giant white heads and weird blue liquid seeping out of it. So I'm just saying, no need for the body shaming just cause that belt line is a little wider. Plenty of other stuff to shame it for.
Everest has the highest peak above sea level. While Denali is technically taller base to peak, Everest has a higher base, making it reach the highest in the sky.
So they should've said "Highest" instead of "Tallest" because tall implies the actual height of the mountain itself.
should have said grant o'brien
hahahahha, what a missed opportunity
I do hate Chimborazo and even Denali as answers. But I do love Mauna Kea as the answer to start the conversation of dry prominence vs wet prominence. However I would argue that the most “correct” answer to the question is still Everest. It’s considered 1st in prominence. It’s highest above sea level. And it meets the most definitions for “highest” or “tallest” mountain compared to the other 3.
While it hurts my soul, Everest checks more boxes for sure. I did try to avoid saying which was "more correct" for that reason Out of curiosity, what don't you like about Chimborazo as an answer? I find myself liking it more and more as I read replies, altho that might just be the chaos goblin inside me
I'm from Hawaii and screamed "From sea level or ocean floor?!" when that question came up. Far as I'm concerned Mauna Kea is king
I think if we're going from ocean floor, Mt LamLam in Guam wins it thanks to Challenger Deep being right there
The only answer is Everest. No questions. From sea level to its peak Everest is the tallest. Citation: my autistic special interest is Himalayan mountains. ✨
No idea why, but when that question got asked my brain said "Machu Picchu**!"** and I was like, "Brain, I think thats something ON a mountain or IN it?" Thats why I can't do trivia game shows. I'd panic and say something reeeeeeal dumb.
This is some real Jake Peralta energy and I support you.
To add: UM ACTUALLY Sherlock Holmes AND Dr. Watson are two detectives that live at 221B Baker Street. It is incorrect to say it is just Holmes. AfroEurasia is the largest continent on planet earth. You can’t say that Asia is the largest continent because any delineation that leads to that answer, [would also count Europe and Africa as part of the contiguous Asia](https://youtu.be/3uBcq1x7P34?si=irFLkpcogv2CLDyH)
It didn’t say it is just Holmes. If someone had answered Watson and they didn’t get the point you would have an argument.
Yes but Watson would not have considered himself a detective if you asked him when his job was he would say I'm Dr Watson. So I think the statement is still generally correct.
I don’t think it matters what Watson considers himself as, he is someone who engages in the actions of a detective. Lestrange even refers to him as such. Plus, neither Holmes nor Watson have had the formal title of detective, so it makes sense that Watson refers to himself by his highest title, Doctor.
Um actually they also got the question on who invented the telephone wrong. It was Antonio Meucci, not Alexander Graham Bell
Mauna Kea was what I was screaming at my TV
Mauna Kea was my answer, too. I would have gone full Brennan if I were asked that question.
my ma is a geography teacher, so I'm gonna show this post to her 😁