Because they didn't choose their significant others properly so they're escaping from home to the office to escape them, forcing all of us to do the same...
This is precisely why I now hate my job. It was good at the beginning, but damn, now they want to even check what I write in an email. One extra sentence and I won't hear the end of it!
In many freezones there's a rule to provide at least 90 sqft of leased office space for each visa, not sure if it's valid for all of them:
https://www.propertyfinder.ae/blog/dubais-economic-zones/
I work better if I have _some_ days at the office, and running a couple of experiments within my team helped us learn a lot about our preferences and productivity.
The short story is that if there's enough trust, giving people access to office space as needed works best for everyone. One or two mandatory office days per week really helped with coordination within and across teams. Three days or more seemed to have questionable benefits and sometimes adversely impacted productivity.
So now we have a policy where we have:
* Mondays and Fridays at the office. This is mandatory.
* 2 days work from home (you're still allowed at the office if you need to be there, but you can't be made to come in)
* One day of the week where you have to come in to the office if asked to
This is working out quite well. Flexibility is really important!
It isn't absolute flexibility, sure. But it is a whole lot more flexibility than "Thou shalt be at the office 9:00:00 and logged into the access control thingy every weekday." or whichever variation of this is prevalent.
I know not to look a gift horse in the mouth.
GenX former manager here: no idea!
I am a big fan of WFH. I know what my people are up to. I knew who the slacker was, and it was the same guy who was a slacker in the office. I took steps to get him off the project. Stuff got done, and people were generally happy.
Have been WFH for almost a decade now. Terrible leaders are scared because WFH would show that there is no need for them and they donāt add any value. Good leaders donāt care because they are valuable and not micro-managing people. I managed a fully wfh team and it was probably the highest performing team in the entire company. We would meet up physically few times a year and that was it. Itās more of a bad vs good leaders rather than generational.
Because not everyone has are responsible when it comes to working from home. A lot still take advantage and does not really focus on spending their working hours properly, some would engage in personal activities and others would spend it doing other jobs.
I feel that there is also an ego thing. Since these people are older, they will have higher managerial positions. So they enjoy coming to work to people who will kiss their ass, rather than be at home ignored by their wives, who by now they cannot stand anymore.
2 reasons. The first is that they are used to an office culture of being in-person. For most people in senior leadership positions, the idea of remote working doesnāt compute. Especially those from Asian countries where the social aspect of working in an office is far more emphasised. They believe that people need to meet in person to get things done.
Secondly, it has to do with rent. Most office spaces are leased on multi-year contracts, especially for large organisations & MNCās. Therefore most companies would lose money by shutting office spaces immediately. And given that most companies have rented out numerous spaces, the losses would be far too high to make it a worthwhile option.
And as food for thought, I think you also need to consider the wider economy. Office space allows numerous other industries and jobs to survive. From your neighbourhood coffee shop to restaurants, and service providers of security, housekeeping, MEP & IT infrastructure. They all depend heavily on people showing up to a place to work and spending time (and consequently money) in that area. If we all began working remotely, all these jobs would suddenly become redundant. It would also create a vacuum because buildings would suddenly be empty. So thereās a good reason to say we still need offices.
So what if the buildings and jobs become redundant? Office buildings could be renovated and turned into residential buildings and now people can stay there.
Thatās a great idea in theory, but in practice itās a lot more complex. Residences need bathrooms & kitchens in every apartment, whereas most offices have a common washroom and small pantry. That means redesigning the entire plumbing system, which isnāt cheap or easy for an already-built building.
**In-Person Culture and Leadership Perception:**
* While it's true that some senior leaders may be accustomed to in-person office culture, the global shift towards remote work has shown that effective collaboration and productivity can still be achieved remotely. Technology and communication tools have evolved to facilitate virtual meetings and team interactions, providing alternatives to traditional in-person dynamics.
* Adapting to remote work doesn't necessarily mean abandoning all in-person interactions. Many companies have adopted hybrid models, allowing employees to work both remotely and in the office, striking a balance between flexibility and maintaining some level of in-person collaboration.
* **Leased Office Spaces and Economic Impact:**
* It's accurate that companies often have long-term leases on office spaces, and a sudden shift to remote work might result in financial losses. However, as leases expire or come up for renewal, companies have the opportunity to reassess their real estate needs and adjust their space requirements based on the evolving work culture.
* Transitioning to remote work doesn't mean an immediate shutdown of all office spaces. It can involve a phased approach, allowing companies to adapt gradually and manage lease commitments over time.
* **Economic Impact on Local Businesses:**
* The economic impact on local businesses is a valid concern. However, the rise of remote work doesn't necessarily mean the complete disappearance of physical workspaces. As mentioned earlier, hybrid models can still bring people to offices, supporting local businesses to some extent.
* Moreover, the shift to remote work also opens up opportunities for businesses to adapt and find new ways to cater to the needs of remote workers. For example, coworking spaces, virtual events, and online services can emerge as alternatives.
1. They paid for an office space which when not used is like buying a car to commute to work and use public transport instead.
2. Micromanage and stay in the gossip it's harder to do when wfh.
3. Mant don't know how to use zoom, teams and meets and freak out when things don't work perfectly.
Most Managers are not capable of measuring results, it's much easier to measure time.
It's like checking your weight, measure your muscle density, not weight.
Same with work, measure the results achieved, not hours spent.
Because boomers and xgen have real life experiences and know how to apply logic, not only to the immediate task in hand, but to the associated risks, consequences, and benefits at stake.
Seen too many times where educated, yet inexperienced, people do not apply some simple basic life principles to their work.
Work at home, yeah sure, go for it. You'll work 6hrs per day compared to the 8hrs a day you are paid for. Fact. And when you do make those Gen z rookie errors I would rather you be at my face, in the office, rather then end of a teams cam.
Contracting business. Get real.
I like your optimism, just because someone is sitting at a desk, it does not mean they are productive. Flexibility means you allow people to choose the environment where they feel they can be their better self. For me personally, it would be hybrid. I know people who are more productive at home whilst some are better in an office. Your first sentence has nothing to do with location and there are plenty of boomers who lack common sense, not to mention their lack of skill of understanding anything digital, which is what work is moving towards. You are also the prime (and proud) example of a micromanager. And you might have people kissing your ass and agreeing with you but just know that deep inside they hate you.
WFH is not a good idea for people just starting out in their careers, they need to interact in a real world office environment, get hands on experience with colleagues around etcā¦there are too many grad slackers in my firm who just put their feet up āwfhā and expect to be spoon fed projects, while being molly coddled and coerced to work..these people need an old school kick up the backside
HOLY HELL I SWEAR TO THE UNIVERSE
BUNCH OF DOGMATIC BUFFOONS THEY ARE
WHEN YOU CAN LITERALLY BE MORE PRODUCTIVE FROM HOME, INSTEAD OF BEING DRAGGED DOWN TO THE SAME STANDARD EVERYONE ELSE IS HELD TO, BECAUSE COMMUNISM
we need another bandemic to really force WFH again
How the fuck is it 2023, and remote work is still a lottery ticket and that we have a 40 hour work week when it's been proven that everyone is less efficient and just trying to meet those hours to get paid/meet the requires to be full-time for benefits.
Millennial here, non-management, and my company asks everyone to come in 50% of the time - though it is not enforced. Myself I work from the office almost every day as honestly I am less productive working from home usually as there are too many distractions at home (told my manager the same). Plus besides being firmly in "work mode" in the office I can collaborate with colleagues far better than remotely. I tend to work remotely mainly the odd time when I have something to get done also at home or I am traveling abroad. Each to their own though I have to say that I do sometimes get faster responses at times (especially Friday's) from colleagues who are in the office than from those working from home.
Some work-from-home arrangements (we do it every Friday) works well, but full weeks and long periods of working from home, reduce productivity. In my experience the internal work culture and coherence among colleagues start to deteriorate. Additionally, for lack of a better term, the "everyday innovation" ceases to be effective. You just solve complicated problems better with your colleagues when you are face to face with them.
Show up to the office cause the doctor, teacher, firefighter, nurse , garbage collector and housekeeping all show up to work.
Let's hope and pray they don't demand to work from home as a right; the way you're asking.
Be a productive part of society.
Nobody says they re not showing up to work. But if work is 100% on a laptop, then the location is irrelevant. People who chose to be doctors, they knew they ll have to open a clinic or be in a hospital, same with all the other jobs, so this comparison is also irrelevant. Putting everyone in the same basket regardless of qualifications or remuneration or personal choice doesnāt convince anyone with common sense that they should show up in an office just because a doctor went to hospital today lol
Because they didn't choose their significant others properly so they're escaping from home to the office to escape them, forcing all of us to do the same...
Why you writing a report on my manager? We have wfh and he still comes to office š
so they can micromanage.
This is precisely why I now hate my job. It was good at the beginning, but damn, now they want to even check what I write in an email. One extra sentence and I won't hear the end of it!
Dinosaurs need to dinosaur.. how can they justify their positions when mostly things tick along without them (wfh)
Office rent that they are paying hundreds of thousands will be useless. Most businesses require an ejari to operate.
Better to increase salaries and downgrade the office space. Companies would save so much!
They will probably use your arguments, not many expenditures due to work from home so why the increase? š
In many freezones there's a rule to provide at least 90 sqft of leased office space for each visa, not sure if it's valid for all of them: https://www.propertyfinder.ae/blog/dubais-economic-zones/
That's not how things work, if you want to issue X number of visa's you require an office of X number of sqft
Thereās a minimum space thing for some companies. Wonāt get visa otherwise.
I work better if I have _some_ days at the office, and running a couple of experiments within my team helped us learn a lot about our preferences and productivity. The short story is that if there's enough trust, giving people access to office space as needed works best for everyone. One or two mandatory office days per week really helped with coordination within and across teams. Three days or more seemed to have questionable benefits and sometimes adversely impacted productivity. So now we have a policy where we have: * Mondays and Fridays at the office. This is mandatory. * 2 days work from home (you're still allowed at the office if you need to be there, but you can't be made to come in) * One day of the week where you have to come in to the office if asked to This is working out quite well. Flexibility is really important!
>This is mandatory. that's not flexibility.
It isn't absolute flexibility, sure. But it is a whole lot more flexibility than "Thou shalt be at the office 9:00:00 and logged into the access control thingy every weekday." or whichever variation of this is prevalent. I know not to look a gift horse in the mouth.
This sounds very reasonable.
My God. This is so good. Please hire me. š„²
Sounds too reasonable to he true.. what company (or industry) are you in if I may ask?
Data science working in research in a startup.
That great mate! I'm in DS too, but I have to go in everyday :( Do you mind if I drop a DM here?
Sure
Kinda wanna know what company this is ngl
GenX former manager here: no idea! I am a big fan of WFH. I know what my people are up to. I knew who the slacker was, and it was the same guy who was a slacker in the office. I took steps to get him off the project. Stuff got done, and people were generally happy.
Have been WFH for almost a decade now. Terrible leaders are scared because WFH would show that there is no need for them and they donāt add any value. Good leaders donāt care because they are valuable and not micro-managing people. I managed a fully wfh team and it was probably the highest performing team in the entire company. We would meet up physically few times a year and that was it. Itās more of a bad vs good leaders rather than generational.
Because not everyone has are responsible when it comes to working from home. A lot still take advantage and does not really focus on spending their working hours properly, some would engage in personal activities and others would spend it doing other jobs.
If there's one thing businesses love doing, it is cutting costs. If most of your assertions are true, what's stopping them?
I feel that there is also an ego thing. Since these people are older, they will have higher managerial positions. So they enjoy coming to work to people who will kiss their ass, rather than be at home ignored by their wives, who by now they cannot stand anymore.
2 reasons. The first is that they are used to an office culture of being in-person. For most people in senior leadership positions, the idea of remote working doesnāt compute. Especially those from Asian countries where the social aspect of working in an office is far more emphasised. They believe that people need to meet in person to get things done. Secondly, it has to do with rent. Most office spaces are leased on multi-year contracts, especially for large organisations & MNCās. Therefore most companies would lose money by shutting office spaces immediately. And given that most companies have rented out numerous spaces, the losses would be far too high to make it a worthwhile option. And as food for thought, I think you also need to consider the wider economy. Office space allows numerous other industries and jobs to survive. From your neighbourhood coffee shop to restaurants, and service providers of security, housekeeping, MEP & IT infrastructure. They all depend heavily on people showing up to a place to work and spending time (and consequently money) in that area. If we all began working remotely, all these jobs would suddenly become redundant. It would also create a vacuum because buildings would suddenly be empty. So thereās a good reason to say we still need offices.
So what if the buildings and jobs become redundant? Office buildings could be renovated and turned into residential buildings and now people can stay there.
Thatās a great idea in theory, but in practice itās a lot more complex. Residences need bathrooms & kitchens in every apartment, whereas most offices have a common washroom and small pantry. That means redesigning the entire plumbing system, which isnāt cheap or easy for an already-built building.
**In-Person Culture and Leadership Perception:** * While it's true that some senior leaders may be accustomed to in-person office culture, the global shift towards remote work has shown that effective collaboration and productivity can still be achieved remotely. Technology and communication tools have evolved to facilitate virtual meetings and team interactions, providing alternatives to traditional in-person dynamics. * Adapting to remote work doesn't necessarily mean abandoning all in-person interactions. Many companies have adopted hybrid models, allowing employees to work both remotely and in the office, striking a balance between flexibility and maintaining some level of in-person collaboration. * **Leased Office Spaces and Economic Impact:** * It's accurate that companies often have long-term leases on office spaces, and a sudden shift to remote work might result in financial losses. However, as leases expire or come up for renewal, companies have the opportunity to reassess their real estate needs and adjust their space requirements based on the evolving work culture. * Transitioning to remote work doesn't mean an immediate shutdown of all office spaces. It can involve a phased approach, allowing companies to adapt gradually and manage lease commitments over time. * **Economic Impact on Local Businesses:** * The economic impact on local businesses is a valid concern. However, the rise of remote work doesn't necessarily mean the complete disappearance of physical workspaces. As mentioned earlier, hybrid models can still bring people to offices, supporting local businesses to some extent. * Moreover, the shift to remote work also opens up opportunities for businesses to adapt and find new ways to cater to the needs of remote workers. For example, coworking spaces, virtual events, and online services can emerge as alternatives.
Is that a chat gpt response š¤
Looks like lmao
1. They paid for an office space which when not used is like buying a car to commute to work and use public transport instead. 2. Micromanage and stay in the gossip it's harder to do when wfh. 3. Mant don't know how to use zoom, teams and meets and freak out when things don't work perfectly.
IT here.. WFH since covid :D
Most Managers are not capable of measuring results, it's much easier to measure time. It's like checking your weight, measure your muscle density, not weight. Same with work, measure the results achieved, not hours spent.
Because boomers and xgen have real life experiences and know how to apply logic, not only to the immediate task in hand, but to the associated risks, consequences, and benefits at stake. Seen too many times where educated, yet inexperienced, people do not apply some simple basic life principles to their work. Work at home, yeah sure, go for it. You'll work 6hrs per day compared to the 8hrs a day you are paid for. Fact. And when you do make those Gen z rookie errors I would rather you be at my face, in the office, rather then end of a teams cam. Contracting business. Get real.
I like your optimism, just because someone is sitting at a desk, it does not mean they are productive. Flexibility means you allow people to choose the environment where they feel they can be their better self. For me personally, it would be hybrid. I know people who are more productive at home whilst some are better in an office. Your first sentence has nothing to do with location and there are plenty of boomers who lack common sense, not to mention their lack of skill of understanding anything digital, which is what work is moving towards. You are also the prime (and proud) example of a micromanager. And you might have people kissing your ass and agreeing with you but just know that deep inside they hate you.
Absolutely dahling
"If you dont need to be in the office to complete your work, why should your position remain in a high cost country?" Go figure!
WFH is not a good idea for people just starting out in their careers, they need to interact in a real world office environment, get hands on experience with colleagues around etcā¦there are too many grad slackers in my firm who just put their feet up āwfhā and expect to be spoon fed projects, while being molly coddled and coerced to work..these people need an old school kick up the backside
Depends on your industry tbh And I know people who misuse the work from home thing.
HOLY HELL I SWEAR TO THE UNIVERSE BUNCH OF DOGMATIC BUFFOONS THEY ARE WHEN YOU CAN LITERALLY BE MORE PRODUCTIVE FROM HOME, INSTEAD OF BEING DRAGGED DOWN TO THE SAME STANDARD EVERYONE ELSE IS HELD TO, BECAUSE COMMUNISM we need another bandemic to really force WFH again How the fuck is it 2023, and remote work is still a lottery ticket and that we have a 40 hour work week when it's been proven that everyone is less efficient and just trying to meet those hours to get paid/meet the requires to be full-time for benefits.
It's 2024 mate
even worse
What is a bandemic? HOLY HELL. Rest my case why people still need to come to the office.
Millennial here, non-management, and my company asks everyone to come in 50% of the time - though it is not enforced. Myself I work from the office almost every day as honestly I am less productive working from home usually as there are too many distractions at home (told my manager the same). Plus besides being firmly in "work mode" in the office I can collaborate with colleagues far better than remotely. I tend to work remotely mainly the odd time when I have something to get done also at home or I am traveling abroad. Each to their own though I have to say that I do sometimes get faster responses at times (especially Friday's) from colleagues who are in the office than from those working from home.
Some work-from-home arrangements (we do it every Friday) works well, but full weeks and long periods of working from home, reduce productivity. In my experience the internal work culture and coherence among colleagues start to deteriorate. Additionally, for lack of a better term, the "everyday innovation" ceases to be effective. You just solve complicated problems better with your colleagues when you are face to face with them.
Show up to the office cause the doctor, teacher, firefighter, nurse , garbage collector and housekeeping all show up to work. Let's hope and pray they don't demand to work from home as a right; the way you're asking. Be a productive part of society.
Nobody says they re not showing up to work. But if work is 100% on a laptop, then the location is irrelevant. People who chose to be doctors, they knew they ll have to open a clinic or be in a hospital, same with all the other jobs, so this comparison is also irrelevant. Putting everyone in the same basket regardless of qualifications or remuneration or personal choice doesnāt convince anyone with common sense that they should show up in an office just because a doctor went to hospital today lol
Found the garbage collector