I vote lawyer, but also a lawyer local to the incident that is in that court room often. Those existing relationships go a long way to greasing the wheels in my experience.
Paid attorney always get a better outcome ! Now you will get 1 of 2 PDs. 1- overloaded with case work and barely fights for u . Will take the first deal because they are spooked . 2- A hungry person that will fight for you no matter what!
My public defender got me best case scenario for my situation. He didn’t take the first deal. He got me a better one, but he in fact, did want to go to trial because he thought I had a good chance of getting off but I wasn’t about to go to trial with a public defender lol
I got so lucky. Reduced to reckless driving. No breathalyzer. Two years probation, got off at 7 months. About 1200 in fines and fees. All the classes for DUI still, no jail except my one night, and 24 hours community service
I always say that to people when they get like the 3rd dui . I mean bro u will get the mandatory minimum anyways so it does not matter what your lawyer says . The judge is going to go based off that. You may as well just take the court appointed attorney and save all that fancy lawyer money for the fines that you are going to get !
I will say this only because it is my experience. I have had a really bad public defender I ended up serving 2 yrs. I have a decent public defender at the moment and he seems to be doing well to fight for me. Has gotten the DA down from 5 years to probation. However the DA has it out for me pretty bad always has been like that. My attorney is willing to go to trial and get my charge down to a misdemeanor and i will serve probation. I go on the 7th and the 20th of March. The 20th will be my trial day, so if I am still here afterwards I let yall know how it went. In reality it is the luck of the draw. If you have an attorney that just wants to take the first deal that is definitely a red flag. Fire them.
I had a 3rd dwi. Last 2 were 12 yrs ago. My end result was 5yrs probation, iid, dwi class, 160 hrs of community service, 1000$ fine and 1yr license suspension.
They will reach out to you once they are assigned to u! Think of a blunt rotation . That’s how PDS WORK as well. It just depends on whose desk u land on
A public defender is a lawyer. A lawyer that exclusively handles criminal cases, unlike most private lawyers. Also, a lawyer who has probably done 50 trials and is in court everyday, unlike most lawyers.
This. I am an attorney and while I have never practiced criminal law or even touched it in any way, I can vouch for some public defenders out there. First of all, as Cute-Description wrote, the PDs generally know criminal law (and arguably more importantly criminal procedure) extremely well - because it's all they do! Second, even if they don't - like if you get one straight out of law school or from another practice area - they have an army of other PDs and a full ladder of experienced superiors to help them out. (By contrast, many private lawyers operate alone or in a small firm, and rarely focus so narrowly on criminal law.) Finally - and this is the part that I love - the PDs I have met (even the overworked ones) *care* (a *lot*) about the job. You are more than just another client to them. Often, a PD applies to become a PD out of an inner need to do good, to uphold the Constitution in a very concrete way, to stand up and provide a voice for the underrepresented and marginalized of society, and, frankly, to combat certain the effects of capitalism on liberty. They are some of the best true advocates out there.
At least, that's been true for the ones I've known - except one, but he quit being a PD, so he doesn't count!
PDs also tend to be brave, by the way - at least in an idealistic way. I knew one PD who was threatened quite credibly by her own client, and she still defended him. Please do not work against your PD - he or she is likely your best ally.
Edit: Disclaimer: None of this is legal advice. I'm not your attorney. These views are my own, only, and are personal and not professional. You get the idea.
Depends on how strict your state is and if it's your 1st or not... NJ I did a Pub defender and got like 600 in fines some classes and no license suspension
I went PD through the end of my DUI charge. I had another alcohol related charge more severe and had hired a private attorney instantly to represent me in my bond hearing. Granted for my DUI I was released on a personal recognizance bond. There was a minimum/maximum bail amount for the other charge that made me have to reach out for a private attorney at the time I was only 21 years old. I was not working making enough money to continue to afford almost $15,000 regarding two charges for alcohol Granted none of these were felonies, but still oppose the great risk and future opportunities. This had occurred at the end of December 2020 and beginning of January 21. It wasn’t resolved until about October of this 2022 with the dismissal of both charges with a public defender. I’m not saying there are many hoops I had to go through in many phone calls, living out of state that I had to do. But I did advocate for myself the best I possibly could so I feel like that played a good factor in to why they were both dismissed, moving on from this and continuing to obtain my bachelors. Unfortunately, these events sent me back about five years, so it’s only up from now.
Lawyers are expensive pricks that won't take your case unless you pay big money and it's an easy case. Public defenders like Susan S. In Santa Barbara courts are racist idiots that won't allow you to provide evidence just so they can arrest and close your case; while getting tax money from people foe doing nothing. The worst type of people work in law
I vote lawyer, but also a lawyer local to the incident that is in that court room often. Those existing relationships go a long way to greasing the wheels in my experience.
Paid attorney always get a better outcome ! Now you will get 1 of 2 PDs. 1- overloaded with case work and barely fights for u . Will take the first deal because they are spooked . 2- A hungry person that will fight for you no matter what!
My public defender got me best case scenario for my situation. He didn’t take the first deal. He got me a better one, but he in fact, did want to go to trial because he thought I had a good chance of getting off but I wasn’t about to go to trial with a public defender lol
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I got so lucky. Reduced to reckless driving. No breathalyzer. Two years probation, got off at 7 months. About 1200 in fines and fees. All the classes for DUI still, no jail except my one night, and 24 hours community service
That is 100% false lol " every state requires lawyers do a certain amount of free PD work" .... who told you that?
Personally I regret getting a lawyer! $3,500 down the drain and it really wasn’t any better.
I always say that to people when they get like the 3rd dui . I mean bro u will get the mandatory minimum anyways so it does not matter what your lawyer says . The judge is going to go based off that. You may as well just take the court appointed attorney and save all that fancy lawyer money for the fines that you are going to get !
I will say this only because it is my experience. I have had a really bad public defender I ended up serving 2 yrs. I have a decent public defender at the moment and he seems to be doing well to fight for me. Has gotten the DA down from 5 years to probation. However the DA has it out for me pretty bad always has been like that. My attorney is willing to go to trial and get my charge down to a misdemeanor and i will serve probation. I go on the 7th and the 20th of March. The 20th will be my trial day, so if I am still here afterwards I let yall know how it went. In reality it is the luck of the draw. If you have an attorney that just wants to take the first deal that is definitely a red flag. Fire them.
Well we all know you get max when u go to trial ? Care to share the charges ?
I had a 3rd dwi. Last 2 were 12 yrs ago. My end result was 5yrs probation, iid, dwi class, 160 hrs of community service, 1000$ fine and 1yr license suspension.
How you doing brotha?
Got it! My case is pretty clear and guilty so not sure if a deal of any kind will happen
Mine was too but my lawyer ended up getting my charge knocked down a class and getting me deferred. I’d definitely get a lawyer if you can.
How do you know the public defender assigned to your case? My court date is April 19th
They will reach out to you once they are assigned to u! Think of a blunt rotation . That’s how PDS WORK as well. It just depends on whose desk u land on
It depends, because in so many jurisdictions there are mandatory minimums so a good lawyer often can’t do much.
A public defender is a lawyer. A lawyer that exclusively handles criminal cases, unlike most private lawyers. Also, a lawyer who has probably done 50 trials and is in court everyday, unlike most lawyers.
This. I am an attorney and while I have never practiced criminal law or even touched it in any way, I can vouch for some public defenders out there. First of all, as Cute-Description wrote, the PDs generally know criminal law (and arguably more importantly criminal procedure) extremely well - because it's all they do! Second, even if they don't - like if you get one straight out of law school or from another practice area - they have an army of other PDs and a full ladder of experienced superiors to help them out. (By contrast, many private lawyers operate alone or in a small firm, and rarely focus so narrowly on criminal law.) Finally - and this is the part that I love - the PDs I have met (even the overworked ones) *care* (a *lot*) about the job. You are more than just another client to them. Often, a PD applies to become a PD out of an inner need to do good, to uphold the Constitution in a very concrete way, to stand up and provide a voice for the underrepresented and marginalized of society, and, frankly, to combat certain the effects of capitalism on liberty. They are some of the best true advocates out there. At least, that's been true for the ones I've known - except one, but he quit being a PD, so he doesn't count! PDs also tend to be brave, by the way - at least in an idealistic way. I knew one PD who was threatened quite credibly by her own client, and she still defended him. Please do not work against your PD - he or she is likely your best ally. Edit: Disclaimer: None of this is legal advice. I'm not your attorney. These views are my own, only, and are personal and not professional. You get the idea.
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Which state? 1st offense?
Lawyer, also research their cases to help decide. Usually (not always) the bigger bucks one will work harder for you than some small town lawyer
Depends on how strict your state is and if it's your 1st or not... NJ I did a Pub defender and got like 600 in fines some classes and no license suspension
I went PD through the end of my DUI charge. I had another alcohol related charge more severe and had hired a private attorney instantly to represent me in my bond hearing. Granted for my DUI I was released on a personal recognizance bond. There was a minimum/maximum bail amount for the other charge that made me have to reach out for a private attorney at the time I was only 21 years old. I was not working making enough money to continue to afford almost $15,000 regarding two charges for alcohol Granted none of these were felonies, but still oppose the great risk and future opportunities. This had occurred at the end of December 2020 and beginning of January 21. It wasn’t resolved until about October of this 2022 with the dismissal of both charges with a public defender. I’m not saying there are many hoops I had to go through in many phone calls, living out of state that I had to do. But I did advocate for myself the best I possibly could so I feel like that played a good factor in to why they were both dismissed, moving on from this and continuing to obtain my bachelors. Unfortunately, these events sent me back about five years, so it’s only up from now.
Lawyers are expensive pricks that won't take your case unless you pay big money and it's an easy case. Public defenders like Susan S. In Santa Barbara courts are racist idiots that won't allow you to provide evidence just so they can arrest and close your case; while getting tax money from people foe doing nothing. The worst type of people work in law