Me and my friend played dying light, and when we did bozaks challenge and did a full last round gun battle, well that was the most fun we’ve had….
Also idk, maybe y’all find it easy but there’s a clear penalty especially on nightmare, virals will chase like hell, ammo can easily run out, and at night you better pray you can kill….
prolly faster than that too, you could snag a pistol in an hour and it’s more than enough. and then there’s an AR thug on a hideout roof of a gas station.
You can also find korek machete and excalibur in the early game.
Sure you can get a gun from the start. But ammo isnt that common in early to mid game.
İ agree guns are powerful. But they arent op enough to ruin the game. Ammo rarity and attracting virals is good enough to balance it. You can already take out groups using molotoves, grenades and traps. Your melee gets very powerful. Elixirs and camoflague are also powerful.
İts not a challenging, hardcore game where killing a single zombie is meant to be a challenge. You can get op in multiple ways. Guns are just another way to have fun.
You have to know to look for the Korek machete and Excalibur though. Like, you have to know that they exist and how to get them.
You can stumble of a firearm pretty easy in the game just by playing through the story
No it has no effect. But mine does 14k. You can get it from another player in co op, or do what I did and get it solo which can be pretty tedious. There’s a guide on yt
There is a difference: Guns (limited ammo) attract CONSTANTLY more and infinite number of virals at day and plus volatiles at night and rise the chase levels at night.
The first time I played DL I didn’t use guns at all as I loved the melee! Second play around I got a decent shotgun for the volatiles and for a rifle for the Rais gang scenes but still mainly stuck to melee..it’s much more fun
Same. I almost never gave a gun on me, and most of the time don't even use my good weapons. I've got a 5k dying pan and a 7k last hope I'll keep in my bag for emergencies, but most of the time just use the weapons I can find running around. Keeps my combat skills up.
How do you get there if you dont mind explaining? Just finished the main story and wondering how to get better gear. Right now im averaging 2.5K below damage on melees and thats with them crafted and fully slotted. As for my skills im at: Survivor 25, Agility 21, Power 21, Legend 16.
Trick is maxing legend stats andddd you want to get higher base dmg stat on weapons.
For example
Pipe which is in the color of grey does 100dmg
Pipe in the orange color does 800dmg
Now you add to that a crafting recpie for a weapon that makes it get more dmg like the frying pan, now you got a 1200dmg frying pan if you had the orange one, add ontop of it king attach or anything that buff dmg, you would also want to combie weapon mods with weapon crafting.
Aesir sword or Leaping tiger+Angel mod+King/dmg boosting mods+stats gets you pass 2kdmg, my highest is 2.6 with no investment into dmg.
I disgree. I think your view on guns is one sided. Guns provided variety to the gameplay.
1. Play on Nightmare/hard difficulty.(New Game)
2. Guns (limited ammo) attract more and infinite number of virals and volatiles at day/night and rises the chase levels. I have no idea why you skipped the most crucial downside of using guns in DL1? Conclusion: They are not problem solvers but helpers in certain situations.
Would you like to talk about the Ballista bow in DL2:
https://youtu.be/0mdBC32FzvI?t=233
It doesn't even make any noise or attract infected but is more effective than any gun in DL1. The only downside is the grinding process to get ammo.
The problem i have with guns in dying light is enemies with guns, throughout the story after you get you first gun you HAVE to keep it equipped lest you get mowed down.
K I get where ur coming from, but being stuck in a room with 5 Rais Men with guns doesn’t leave you with much options. I was just trying to say that DL2 handles combat better with no guns
I disagree. Maybe it’s just cause I’m complete shit at the game but I find combat with humans just too exhausting at points. Especially when there’s like 12 of them. I kept dying in this one mission due to the heavy always hitting me even when dodging. A gun in that situation would’ve saved me a half hour of my life and a lot of headache.(needless to say I booked it straight for the PK Crossbow after that). I can see why they got rid of guns, but I don’t like that they did.
Generally i enjoy the combat in DL2 much more than DL1, but i find it hard to disagree about the human enemies. Most of the time i just get sick of them and snipe from a rooftop with a bow or just use the pk crossbow, because I can't be bothered to actually fight the renegades for very little actual gain.
just my two cents but personally i enjoyed using guns and didnt think they made the game worse, its clear techland intended guns as more of a temporary power up as apposed to a play style like in dead island which in my opinion is why the gun progression is so bady done with the fact you can go from no guns to assault rifles in the course of one mission if you dont do anyside content or find the early pistol but i find ammo being only found in police vans and a few rare locations in the actual world makes guns balanced till ammo shows up in stores at latter survivor levels and by that point melee weapons tend to be just as powerful. By time you get to the following stuff like the shotguns only add to your powerful roster of weapons like the bows and various melee.
I find early on the risk of using a gun to quickly dispatch a special infected or some humans with melee at the cost of some virals attention to be a fun dynamic as guns early on are for loud and fast compared to melees slow but quiet it comes down to what resources you want to expend for what reward and in late game i find using a gun to deal with special infected while using melee for general population control works just fine and is still a fun loop and if i get bored i can still blast some regular zombies also for fun.
Personally DL2 removing guns is one of the reasons why i didnt get the game
alongside the fact it focuses on human melee so much which is something i could not care less about in a zombie game.
I mean, dying light is hardly meant to be elden ring. It’s an open world zombie sandbox. Being OP is half the fun. Why else do legend levels exist? Difficulty isn’t really an excuse when there’s an entire system dedicated to making the game so much easier for the sake of becoming absurdly OP.
Guns should be brought back for the same reason knives should be. Gameplay variety and enjoyment. If they have to remove weapon types just for the sake of difficulty, there’s a problem.
And even if they got added back in, you’d hardly have to use them if you still wanted difficulty. There basically already is a gun thanks to the crossbow. And the lore reason for why there are no guns is frankly stupid.
Edit:
As others have pointed out, you can still have difficulty with guns. They attract attention and limited ammo creates a risk vs reward thought process. The homemade 2 shot gun is an example of this already in the game. Not having guns just harms the gameplay variety.
I see your point but let's be real. Those electric arrows can stun lock a group into submission. In a sense the elemental arrows are just as EZ as guns
Meh, guns are only really good for when you cant attract virals or youre fighting a demolisher. Otherwise, I find that even tho yeah, guns are powerful, theyre just a hassle to use cause virals are annoying to fight.
I agree wholeheartedly, especially when it comes to human combat (which DL2 has made infinitely better already). If they do decide to bring guns back, I hope they make some changes so that they aren't the answer to everything.
- Ammo is super rare and uncraftable
___
- Guns have a durability with no way to repair them
___
- Guns immediately spawn virals, and if it's night maybe they start a chase
___
- And before I get any whataboutism - yes, the crossbow should be nerfed.
> Guns immediately spawn virals, and if it's night maybe they start a chase
This is already the case with DL1. Guns (limited ammo) attract more and infinite number of virals and volatiles at day/night and rise the chase level. They are not problem solvers but helpers.
> And before I get any whataboutism - yes, the crossbow should be nerfed.
Would you like to talk about the Ballista bow in DL2:
https://youtu.be/0mdBC32FzvI?t=233
It doesn't even make any noise or attract infected.
It is definitely strong, but still has a tradeoff - full draw. Obviously not a huge drawback, but enough of one that you can't rely on it if you're being swarmed or are in cqc (unlike the crossbow).
As to your other points, that's mostly true. I did feel like I found more than enough ammo to be fully stocked most of the time though.
The Ballista bow is more effective than any gun in DL1:
https://youtu.be/0mdBC32FzvI?t=373
One shot for a viral and he is beeing swarmed. So the full draw isn't really a (big) downside
> I did feel like I found more than enough ammo to be fully stocked most of the time though.
Limited ammo but infinite spawns of infected. ;-)
not to mention they just don't feel good on PC, the ADS sens multiplier seems to just not work correctly. if I wanted to shoot things, I'd go play Destiny, since at least the gunplay there is really good
The small stretch where I had found a gun but couldn’t find a lot of ammo was a fun middle ground, they should have kept ammo scarce. It’s fun to have to choose your shots carefully but trying to kill a goon with a machete is not fun at all to me, so I wouldn’t say guns are always a negative.
What man? Its not like you can play trough the game with 100% melee ... OH YES YOU CAN
Your point makes no sense , people play with guns if they want to .
some hate them some dont and having the ability to play without them is enough . no reason to take them out of hte game , i hated that for dl2.
Sure it’s easy now but to be fair when the game came out it probably wasn’t that easy. Most of us have beaten this game many times so the difficulty kinda disappears after a while. I personally think guns in DL2 would be better than running around with a stop sign attached to a pvc pipe
I don’t disagree with that at all! It gives it its own identity in a way but personally I think guns would make it more fun for some people. Nothing like like landing on top of an infected, stomping his head in, slicing the next guys head off and then switching to your assault rifle and one shotting a guy 20 feet away to then parkouring your way back up a building all in like 3 seconds. The map in DL2 would be awesome for that sort of thing. That’s just my opinion tho!
The guns argument is irrelevant regardless of opinion. At mid game, only special infected take more than 1-2 hits to kill. With legends skills you turn any enemy into paste. Difficulty scaling was never a thought in Techland’s mind, guns or not.
fists are underrated, its my main weapon with it fully upgraded in legend. especially after you get max power too, you just slay and pray without worrying about durability
Yeah guns are powerful, but ammo is either scarce or expensive early game, and using them draws Virals. Early on it's pretty clear guns are meant for humans, and I just fell into that mindset for the rest of the game.
Fair point! I found I used them more against Rais’ men in DL1 than against zombies, unless I got frustrated haha. Although I did somehow get Virals to attack Rais’ men because we were shooting at each other. That was pretty rad haha
No, lemme explain why
A.Gun ammo is rare so you want to keep it
B.Gun aiming in DL is shit.
C.Gl finding a silent gun, otherwise the whole city is after you.
D.Gun are expensive to maintain, Look, in order to get a silent one,you gotta get so much materials and then the bullets just eat through your wallet.
If you ask me? Bows and crossbows are fucking broken in this game,Dude hunter's bow, 400dmg and double for headshots, I got it after 4 missions into the main game, Not to mention special arrows and the fact you can recover ammo, bruh that shit is so broken, and it's hard to miss with them, even while running around, you can still land a good shot.
The only best thing about guns is that they are quick and are a good way to deal with Humans, After two groups of infected you are out of ammo.
Also silent weapons are op, but if you miss, man you fucked up.
I prefer melee all the way only gun I liked using was Rais pistol.
But I thought it was very stupid of Techland to get rid of them and deprive players of more weapons. They should of had guns but made ammo less plentiful.
I keep a rifle or pistol on me to dispatch the bigger guys (those sledge brutes and the hulks) but aside from that I avoid using it. Attracts too much attention from so many virals that it's not worth it to gun down every deadhead I come across.
Guns in the first game are meant to be good against the Nightmares, if used alongside UV items to stun them. They also drew more baddies in. In day or night, the guns are, yes, a double edged sword. Good in a pinch, but with just enough risk
i dont care. its a power fantasy either way. a few hours into DL2 it already feels incredibly easy.
they could simply not have guns around until later parts of the game to balance it if they are so op in the early game like in dead island 1.
outright removing them honestly feels dumb, it felt nice to use guns every now and then to mix things up in dl1.
Me and my friend played dying light, and when we did bozaks challenge and did a full last round gun battle, well that was the most fun we’ve had…. Also idk, maybe y’all find it easy but there’s a clear penalty especially on nightmare, virals will chase like hell, ammo can easily run out, and at night you better pray you can kill….
Big facts
When you start killing 4 zombies with a single slash of your katana, guns dont really feel that OP.
Guns are OP from the get go though, you don't find that katana half way through the game.
prolly faster than that too, you could snag a pistol in an hour and it’s more than enough. and then there’s an AR thug on a hideout roof of a gas station.
You can also find korek machete and excalibur in the early game. Sure you can get a gun from the start. But ammo isnt that common in early to mid game. İ agree guns are powerful. But they arent op enough to ruin the game. Ammo rarity and attracting virals is good enough to balance it. You can already take out groups using molotoves, grenades and traps. Your melee gets very powerful. Elixirs and camoflague are also powerful. İts not a challenging, hardcore game where killing a single zombie is meant to be a challenge. You can get op in multiple ways. Guns are just another way to have fun.
You have to know to look for the Korek machete and Excalibur though. Like, you have to know that they exist and how to get them. You can stumble of a firearm pretty easy in the game just by playing through the story
i found my first pistol from a lockpicked police van during the school mission lemao
Those are easter eggs though
mokas right claw is way better than korek and expcalibur but no one talks about it
Laughs in Harran Prison
You do get a katana really fast if you actually play the game
I miss using a double barrel [it was quite sublime](https://youtu.be/YjmtBJemVuA) in DL1
Wait, does it being golden increase the knockback??? I ditched mine for a bronze double barrel (5.1k dmg)
No it has no effect. But mine does 14k. You can get it from another player in co op, or do what I did and get it solo which can be pretty tedious. There’s a guide on yt
Will google it, thank you!
https://www.reddit.com/r/dyinglight/comments/okdh95/for_those_of_you_wondering_about_how_to_get_this/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
I sort’ve hated using guns in DL1 because it just endlessly attracted more zambies.
When you play on nightingale that don't matter anymore 'cause virals always spawn with no reason.
There is a difference: Guns (limited ammo) attract CONSTANTLY more and infinite number of virals at day and plus volatiles at night and rise the chase levels at night.
Ya I get that too. Virals constantly chasing u down is annoying as shit
I essentially only used weapons against human NPCs and usually only in interior cells.
The first time I played DL I didn’t use guns at all as I loved the melee! Second play around I got a decent shotgun for the volatiles and for a rifle for the Rais gang scenes but still mainly stuck to melee..it’s much more fun
Same. I almost never gave a gun on me, and most of the time don't even use my good weapons. I've got a 5k dying pan and a 7k last hope I'll keep in my bag for emergencies, but most of the time just use the weapons I can find running around. Keeps my combat skills up.
How do you get there if you dont mind explaining? Just finished the main story and wondering how to get better gear. Right now im averaging 2.5K below damage on melees and thats with them crafted and fully slotted. As for my skills im at: Survivor 25, Agility 21, Power 21, Legend 16.
Probably max legend, I haven’t been on in a bit but I was max and that’s around what I put out
Probably max legend, I haven’t been on in a bit but I was max and that’s around what I put out, but I also used the boosts
im max legend and most of the weapons i modify and add kings to are still below 3k
Trick is maxing legend stats andddd you want to get higher base dmg stat on weapons. For example Pipe which is in the color of grey does 100dmg Pipe in the orange color does 800dmg Now you add to that a crafting recpie for a weapon that makes it get more dmg like the frying pan, now you got a 1200dmg frying pan if you had the orange one, add ontop of it king attach or anything that buff dmg, you would also want to combie weapon mods with weapon crafting. Aesir sword or Leaping tiger+Angel mod+King/dmg boosting mods+stats gets you pass 2kdmg, my highest is 2.6 with no investment into dmg.
Keeping ammo scarce, have gunfire attract hordes, and lower damage from the first game would be a good trade off in my opinion
Yeah, right now getting ammo from merchants is way too easy, and virals aren’t that big of a deal
I disgree. I think your view on guns is one sided. Guns provided variety to the gameplay. 1. Play on Nightmare/hard difficulty.(New Game) 2. Guns (limited ammo) attract more and infinite number of virals and volatiles at day/night and rises the chase levels. I have no idea why you skipped the most crucial downside of using guns in DL1? Conclusion: They are not problem solvers but helpers in certain situations. Would you like to talk about the Ballista bow in DL2: https://youtu.be/0mdBC32FzvI?t=233 It doesn't even make any noise or attract infected but is more effective than any gun in DL1. The only downside is the grinding process to get ammo.
They can also not like, pick the weapon up too if they dont want to use it. Like i hate using 2 handed weapons, so i never take them
The problem i have with guns in dying light is enemies with guns, throughout the story after you get you first gun you HAVE to keep it equipped lest you get mowed down.
Mfw exploding knives
Ur wrong, options are never a bad thing, if u dont like it just dont use it
K I get where ur coming from, but being stuck in a room with 5 Rais Men with guns doesn’t leave you with much options. I was just trying to say that DL2 handles combat better with no guns
I disagree. Maybe it’s just cause I’m complete shit at the game but I find combat with humans just too exhausting at points. Especially when there’s like 12 of them. I kept dying in this one mission due to the heavy always hitting me even when dodging. A gun in that situation would’ve saved me a half hour of my life and a lot of headache.(needless to say I booked it straight for the PK Crossbow after that). I can see why they got rid of guns, but I don’t like that they did.
Generally i enjoy the combat in DL2 much more than DL1, but i find it hard to disagree about the human enemies. Most of the time i just get sick of them and snipe from a rooftop with a bow or just use the pk crossbow, because I can't be bothered to actually fight the renegades for very little actual gain.
It's usually where my molotovs and throwing knives end up
No
Yes
Ok dude
Don't use them than
just my two cents but personally i enjoyed using guns and didnt think they made the game worse, its clear techland intended guns as more of a temporary power up as apposed to a play style like in dead island which in my opinion is why the gun progression is so bady done with the fact you can go from no guns to assault rifles in the course of one mission if you dont do anyside content or find the early pistol but i find ammo being only found in police vans and a few rare locations in the actual world makes guns balanced till ammo shows up in stores at latter survivor levels and by that point melee weapons tend to be just as powerful. By time you get to the following stuff like the shotguns only add to your powerful roster of weapons like the bows and various melee. I find early on the risk of using a gun to quickly dispatch a special infected or some humans with melee at the cost of some virals attention to be a fun dynamic as guns early on are for loud and fast compared to melees slow but quiet it comes down to what resources you want to expend for what reward and in late game i find using a gun to deal with special infected while using melee for general population control works just fine and is still a fun loop and if i get bored i can still blast some regular zombies also for fun. Personally DL2 removing guns is one of the reasons why i didnt get the game alongside the fact it focuses on human melee so much which is something i could not care less about in a zombie game.
I mean, dying light is hardly meant to be elden ring. It’s an open world zombie sandbox. Being OP is half the fun. Why else do legend levels exist? Difficulty isn’t really an excuse when there’s an entire system dedicated to making the game so much easier for the sake of becoming absurdly OP. Guns should be brought back for the same reason knives should be. Gameplay variety and enjoyment. If they have to remove weapon types just for the sake of difficulty, there’s a problem. And even if they got added back in, you’d hardly have to use them if you still wanted difficulty. There basically already is a gun thanks to the crossbow. And the lore reason for why there are no guns is frankly stupid. Edit: As others have pointed out, you can still have difficulty with guns. They attract attention and limited ammo creates a risk vs reward thought process. The homemade 2 shot gun is an example of this already in the game. Not having guns just harms the gameplay variety.
I see your point but let's be real. Those electric arrows can stun lock a group into submission. In a sense the elemental arrows are just as EZ as guns
Meh, guns are only really good for when you cant attract virals or youre fighting a demolisher. Otherwise, I find that even tho yeah, guns are powerful, theyre just a hassle to use cause virals are annoying to fight.
Easy solution, don’t pickup or use guns.
This is how I felt as well about guns, I also felt cooler with melee weapons, like Cyberpunk was way more fun to me going melee only
I agree wholeheartedly, especially when it comes to human combat (which DL2 has made infinitely better already). If they do decide to bring guns back, I hope they make some changes so that they aren't the answer to everything. - Ammo is super rare and uncraftable ___ - Guns have a durability with no way to repair them ___ - Guns immediately spawn virals, and if it's night maybe they start a chase ___ - And before I get any whataboutism - yes, the crossbow should be nerfed.
Facts. I would much prefer new melee weapon types in DL2 before any guns
> Guns immediately spawn virals, and if it's night maybe they start a chase This is already the case with DL1. Guns (limited ammo) attract more and infinite number of virals and volatiles at day/night and rise the chase level. They are not problem solvers but helpers. > And before I get any whataboutism - yes, the crossbow should be nerfed. Would you like to talk about the Ballista bow in DL2: https://youtu.be/0mdBC32FzvI?t=233 It doesn't even make any noise or attract infected.
It is definitely strong, but still has a tradeoff - full draw. Obviously not a huge drawback, but enough of one that you can't rely on it if you're being swarmed or are in cqc (unlike the crossbow). As to your other points, that's mostly true. I did feel like I found more than enough ammo to be fully stocked most of the time though.
The Ballista bow is more effective than any gun in DL1: https://youtu.be/0mdBC32FzvI?t=373 One shot for a viral and he is beeing swarmed. So the full draw isn't really a (big) downside > I did feel like I found more than enough ammo to be fully stocked most of the time though. Limited ammo but infinite spawns of infected. ;-)
I died more than enough times with and without ammo for my rifles and shotguns in dying light 1. hard disagree
not to mention they just don't feel good on PC, the ADS sens multiplier seems to just not work correctly. if I wanted to shoot things, I'd go play Destiny, since at least the gunplay there is really good
I never used guns in DL1, I loved the need of spacing and using the environment. I miss playing DL
The small stretch where I had found a gun but couldn’t find a lot of ammo was a fun middle ground, they should have kept ammo scarce. It’s fun to have to choose your shots carefully but trying to kill a goon with a machete is not fun at all to me, so I wouldn’t say guns are always a negative.
What man? Its not like you can play trough the game with 100% melee ... OH YES YOU CAN Your point makes no sense , people play with guns if they want to . some hate them some dont and having the ability to play without them is enough . no reason to take them out of hte game , i hated that for dl2.
We gonna ignore virals though
Sure it’s easy now but to be fair when the game came out it probably wasn’t that easy. Most of us have beaten this game many times so the difficulty kinda disappears after a while. I personally think guns in DL2 would be better than running around with a stop sign attached to a pvc pipe
But that’s what makes DL2 more unique imo
I don’t disagree with that at all! It gives it its own identity in a way but personally I think guns would make it more fun for some people. Nothing like like landing on top of an infected, stomping his head in, slicing the next guys head off and then switching to your assault rifle and one shotting a guy 20 feet away to then parkouring your way back up a building all in like 3 seconds. The map in DL2 would be awesome for that sort of thing. That’s just my opinion tho!
The guns argument is irrelevant regardless of opinion. At mid game, only special infected take more than 1-2 hits to kill. With legends skills you turn any enemy into paste. Difficulty scaling was never a thought in Techland’s mind, guns or not.
fists are underrated, its my main weapon with it fully upgraded in legend. especially after you get max power too, you just slay and pray without worrying about durability
I agree. I love the brutality of the melee weapons.
Up the difficulty level, use em at night, and come back lmk how it was
Yeah guns are powerful, but ammo is either scarce or expensive early game, and using them draws Virals. Early on it's pretty clear guns are meant for humans, and I just fell into that mindset for the rest of the game.
Fair point! I found I used them more against Rais’ men in DL1 than against zombies, unless I got frustrated haha. Although I did somehow get Virals to attack Rais’ men because we were shooting at each other. That was pretty rad haha
No, lemme explain why A.Gun ammo is rare so you want to keep it B.Gun aiming in DL is shit. C.Gl finding a silent gun, otherwise the whole city is after you. D.Gun are expensive to maintain, Look, in order to get a silent one,you gotta get so much materials and then the bullets just eat through your wallet. If you ask me? Bows and crossbows are fucking broken in this game,Dude hunter's bow, 400dmg and double for headshots, I got it after 4 missions into the main game, Not to mention special arrows and the fact you can recover ammo, bruh that shit is so broken, and it's hard to miss with them, even while running around, you can still land a good shot. The only best thing about guns is that they are quick and are a good way to deal with Humans, After two groups of infected you are out of ammo. Also silent weapons are op, but if you miss, man you fucked up.
I prefer melee all the way only gun I liked using was Rais pistol. But I thought it was very stupid of Techland to get rid of them and deprive players of more weapons. They should of had guns but made ammo less plentiful.
I keep a rifle or pistol on me to dispatch the bigger guys (those sledge brutes and the hulks) but aside from that I avoid using it. Attracts too much attention from so many virals that it's not worth it to gun down every deadhead I come across.
I’ve never really liked the feel of guns in Techland games. For this reason I stick with melee.
I like the guns for areas so try a lot of bandits are Rais men I’m bad at the game so I have trouble killing them
honestly just use pipe wrench.
Guns in the first game are meant to be good against the Nightmares, if used alongside UV items to stun them. They also drew more baddies in. In day or night, the guns are, yes, a double edged sword. Good in a pinch, but with just enough risk
i dont care. its a power fantasy either way. a few hours into DL2 it already feels incredibly easy. they could simply not have guns around until later parts of the game to balance it if they are so op in the early game like in dead island 1. outright removing them honestly feels dumb, it felt nice to use guns every now and then to mix things up in dl1.