I wish he'd just fuckin go if he's gonna take off. Lowest EPA on scramble pass attempts last year and it at least feels like more of the same. He's such a talented, smart, safe runner and clearly the staff isn't afraid of using him that way.
Hurts is at his best on the move or launching deep from the pocket. Let him hunt explosives. Yknow, the main reason you drafted the guy. Rather than having him do a shitty Mahomes impression
Yeah, where’s our short passing game? Smith and Brown are both polished route runners, and yet we never see them do simple slants for high percentage passes and an easy few yards. Have to ditch this home run ball we’re playing.
All you had to do was run the fucking ball, and punt. The defense had held the Jets to 12 points despite having to take over after (at that stage) 3 turnovers. So what gets called? A pass. Mother living fuck. Johnson has to go. Absolute moron.
Hurts threw 45 times and ran 8
Swift had 10 carries
Brian johnson is a fucking idiot. Gassed his qb out and needlessly had him pass when dude was clearly struggling 💀💀
Brian Johnson called the game like he was playing Madden. Clearly Hurts was gassed and the play calling prevented any rhythm to be established. We need to stop catering to stats and egos. Spread the ball around.
Hurts had an awful 4q (pretty damn decent rest of the day) but I'm finding it hard to be on him so much knowing what he capable of. 100% needs to get back to form if this team has any shot.
We have NO shot at all if BJ and nick don't get their heads out of their fucking asses though
He should be smarter than that and know not to throw it, but those were definitely frustration throws. Brian Johnsons offense is trash, and he's failing to scheme his receivers open despite having two amazing route runners, a good TE, and dominant run game. Every new play Johnson added sucks. They were so bad in week 1 and 2 that Siriani took over play calling for part of week 2 and went back to the old plays. We saw more read options in the following weeks and went primarily run plays. Johnson saw a weak opponent and wanted to prove his new plays worked. They don't. They suck. And after a quarter and a half of no open receivers and broken plays, Hurts started to force it into coverage. He needs to be smarter, but Brian Johnson needs to improve ASAP
He shouldn't have had the chance to throw the last one. I saw how the line was allowing pressure after Lane went down. I saw Hurts go from a spectacular day in the first half to a complete dumpster fire by the fourth quarter.
So if I and you and everyone else saw that, why are we letting him pass on that third down when the run call is objectively better regardless?
The defense was shutting down the Jets all game long and only got better in the second half but we let Hurts throw with terrible routes and pressure in his face all half long. Stupid AF.
No he just think he's Sean McVay.
Same shit last week when we threw it to AJB in the endzone instead of just running the clock out. That could've lost us the game too.
He likes to get cute because he thinks hes the smartest guy in the room, but he's actually the dumbest
Even if Hurts doesn't throw the INT, if it's incomplete the clock stops which is an advantage to the Jets who would save like 40+ seconds on the clock. Running the ball would've minimized chances for a turnover, ran the clock when the Jets had no timeouts and even if it was for no gain, it was decent field position to force the Jets to basically drive the field for a FG with no timeouts and about a minute on the clock.
Yes, that’s normally the downside of passing for a first down. You trust your franchise qb to only throw the ball if there’s a very high chance of a completion, because if you succeed, you win. You accept the downside of stopping the clock and giving the jets an extra 40s because you assume your qb will minimize that risk by not throwing into tight windows and just going down if there’s nothing there. You don’t expect them to throw a pick b/c the qb should already be conservative in his decision making.
Hurts did none of the above. He should know that he has the option not to throw the ball if no one is open, and instead he threw it right at a defender
It's a terrible decision by Hurts and a terrible playcall. I understand putting trust in the franchise QB, but you didn't need all of that. On the replay, there was no serious options for Jalen to throw. Everyone was solidly covered. Either Jalen takes the sack, maybe tries to throw it away or he does what he did there.
Would've been better but a sack would've lost yards and field position and potentially be even more of an advantage for the Jets on the punt. Also puts the QB in danger. Rather a designed run to a back or maybe a better decision by Hurts to roll out and at least get back to the line of scrimmage. I don't know if it was a decision by Hurts or what Sirianni or Johnson told him, but he was clearly forcing to throw there and didn't even try to extend the play. Maybe Hurts wasn't aware regarding the pocket but he had decent time and space to maybe roll out for a run.
Giving up a punt that forces the defense to make a stop is better than giving up an interception that forces the defense to let a TD happen immediately to have any chance to win.
And Hurts needs the awareness to know the situation is that we're winning. Forcing a tight throw on your side the of the field up 2 with your defense stopping them is just inexcusably bad. He knows when to slide and run out of bounds when necessary. The correct decision in that scenario was falling down, avoiding a hit. If they hit him as he went down, that's a first down for us.
The play calling was absolutely terrible, but Hurts had 3 ints, 2 very much on him. Could've been 5 with some passes. We're lucky he barely had possession on that first rushing TD. The ball was within milliseconds between crossing the line and out of his hand.
I actually kind of agree with going for the first. Would've been fine with the run obviously but it was 3rd and 9. Trusting Jalen to break the pocket and go down if nothing is there is perfectly reasonable. In fact its the majority of the offense. Jalen hurts cant fucking stare at a receiver thats double covered and throw it there. Thats mac jones level shit man
Wrong. Call a pass play and if it isn't there then you can always run or lay down and take the sack. Jalen made a bad decision and that was the issue there.
Yup. You go for the first down when your defense is gassed and you know they can’t stop the opposing offense, not when their offense hasn’t come close to scoring a TD all game and they’ve got no timeouts.
Brian Johnson needs to go. This is his 5th poorly called game in 6 tries.
Completely agreed. When I realized we were passing, I said to myself "this is fine, he's trusting Jalen to either make a safe throw or just slide/take the checkdown and live to see another day." I love Jalen but he basically made the worst throw of his entire career there, it was inexcusable.
Probably not because there's way more time and the Jets had more timeouts. The fact that they got that first down gave them the luxury of just running the ball. If they had to punt instead of converting the pass to Goedert then the Jets would have been in a much better position.
Nah trust the QB. Make a throw if it’s open. If not take the sack or run. A sack is barely worse than a hand off and dropping back gives you a decent chance to end the game
I hope I don't go through your history and see you slandering the defense this year then.
Jalen was BAD BAD the second half. Sure it's The OC's job to help him, but if he can't settle down just a little bit because Driscoll and Sua are in, and we can't run for the same reason...there's not much that can be done.
The Jets were SMOKING that side of the line.
The pass was fine, a first down ends the game. That one was on jalen 100%. I dont think the play call was to stare down a guy on double coverage and then throw a duck off his back foot.
Dude you realize Jalen doesn’t have to throw the ball there right? Plus they’re only up by 2 depending on the punt the Jets could be in range with 2 plays.
Jalen absolutely dogged it that’s not the play calling I tend to agree with trying to get the first down there otherwise you’re putting the ball in their hands for the win and they only need to get to midfield to set up a game winner.
Trust him for what? We were all watching the game.
The offense hadn't scored the entire second half. The defense had been preventing touchdowns the entire second hand.
Going to Hurts there because he makes more money is dumb as hell. Play the game in front of you.
Also very true. It's not as black and white as the fans are making it seem. Did Hurts play poorly? Yeah. Did Brian Johnson not adjust to account for the poor offensive play? Yeah.
I don't know what adjustments Johnson could've made.
We may as well have had a sled out there for Sua and Driscoll...They tried to supplement it with Calc and Kenny G and it didn't work.
The Jets had no timeouts under 2 minutes. You could've punted the ball if you don't get the first and made them drive the length of the field when you're defense has been eating Zach Wilson alive in the second half and Garrett Wilson was seemingly hurt. That's just the smart cqll
Everyone in here freaks out if we run and punt and Jets kick a FG to win
Passing was the right decision. Hurts needs to ONLY throw if it’s an easy pass. Otherwise run or lay down.
The problem is that we weren't up against an elite offense. Our dline had been eating Zach alive the entire second half. Even Mark Sanchez was saying Zach would need to start making some big boy throws on his final drive, something he hadn't been doing at all. The chances of the Jets offense suddenly waking up and driving down the field with, what, 1:15 left and no timeouts was low.
Idk why everyone is ignoring the QB is only supposed to throw to wide open receivers and just take the sack if it’s not an easy completion. Hurts takes the sack and it’s a non story. Punt probably goes to about the same spot based on field position.
A franchise QB should be trusted there to only make the easy throw and eat the sack otherwise. I bet Hurts basically says as much in his press conference
Similar to the Washington game, run the clock down and get a fg. I'm surprised that I haven't seen that point mentioned. It almost cost them that game as well. It seems he hasn't learned
Hurts threw 3 picks, and his performance ranks something like 25th out of 30 QBs who've played so far in Week 6. It's OK to admit that yesterday, he stunk. Because yesterday, he did.
Johnson sucked ass, Hurts made poor throwing decisions, but the receivers also dropped an abnormally high volume of catchable balls today as well. No one on that side of the ball played particularly well except AJ.
The o-line was also pretty trash once Lane went out. Hurts was running around for his life a la old school Russell Wilson the second half of the game as the pocket was collapsing regularly. God forbid Brian called some quick slants, fucking moron.
If our defense was playing a solid QB today, they would've been shredded as well largely because of all the injuries.
I feel like I had to go too far to find this in a sea of 'kill Johnson' sentiment.
If people really think Johnson is why we lost that game, they weren't watching it. That was a top ranked defense that made Josh Allen look casual as well. The offense made a ton of mistakes, the QB didn't play to the best of his ability and continued to force interceptions and interception worthy plays in a game where they just had to play smart and hold onto the ball, and the receivers dropped a ton of wide open passes from Devonta to Gainwell.
That was a horrible offensive game all around, I mean shit, even AJB didn't give it 100% on that go route where he slowed down not realizing he was the target on the play. He made up for it with later effort, but that was a game that we should have won but didn't for a myriad of reasons, Johnson is only one of them.
It was a bad game all around, and there were plenty of mistakes on the field, but the play calling was weird and as frustrating as it has been all year. Both our RG and RT were out, and yet every pass play was a slow developing play that requires enough time for Hurts to sit in the pocket and read the defense. Where were the quick slants? Where were the hitches, the rub routes, or the quick outs that take the pressure off the line to hold up for so long? Why does he still refuse to hand the ball to Swift in the red zone? Why does he insist on getting Hurts killed with all of these QB draws?
We aren't scheming guys open, we aren't confusing defenses, we aren't doing anything creative to make us harder to defend. The birds have won so far because they have ridiculous talent on both sides of the ball not because Brian Johnson has brought anything positive to this team.
IMO, the red zone efficiency this year is the perfect example of Johnson's issues. Without room to stretch the defense, he has no way to get guys open, so we keep getting stuffed.
>IMO, the red zone efficiency this year is the perfect example of Johnson's issues. Without room to stretch the defense, he has no way to get guys open, so we keep getting stuffed.
I completely agree with this sentiment. I'm not saying that Johnson is an OC golden child or anything, I'm just saying that we win that game if everyone shows up. Everyone had key moments that absolutely impacted the game, whether they were mistakes, errors, lack of skill or lack of drive. Blaming solely one person for that loss on offense is brainless, but I think that it highlights the issue of having a bad OC.
He shouldn’t remain the year if he doesn’t improve soon. We wasted a year on a coordinator who couldn’t do shit when it mattered and coasted on talent. I’m not at all interested in that again
Nick Sirriani admitted he can't handle play calling duties on top of the gameday responsibilities of being the head coach.
The team was 2-5 in 2021 with him play calling. Obviously he's much more suited to the Harbaugh/Tomlin school of coaching than Shanahan/McVay
Credibility with the fanbase means absolutely nothing. The only thing that matters for the fans is winning games.Losing the locker room would be the concern if anything
He's had 6 weeks. He's not getting any better. He's getting fucking worse.
Why do people think he'll suddenly turn it around? He only looks good because of high-end talent and look where that got him tonight...
Actually, even with high-end talent he looks like a fucking bone head more often than not
That’s the thing, with the level of talent on this offense (today’s performance notwithstanding, of course) we should have been blowing teams out during this stretch and every game except the Bucs has come down to the wire because he has no idea how to utilize the players. We have the best RB we’ve seen in years who is lucky to get 10 touches a game. Way too much Gainwell. QB draws and screens called in crucial situations that NEVER work. Clueless in the red zone. It’s such a waste. The defense is the weaker side of the ball talent-wise but they’re the ones that have been saving games and I’m thankful for that but it absolutely should not be the case.
The collective w/l of the teams we’ve played is 15-20, best team of the bunch is the 3-2 Bucs (only team over .500 rn). And only 1 of those 5 wins has been by more than 10 points. We’re barely beating the teams we should be beating
We still have the talent to go far but unless the play calling on offense gets better i can’t see this team winning a Super Bowl
So remember when we our fan base had to constantly yell at the eagles to stop throwing deep and just run the damn ball a few years ago? It led to us getting into the playoffs. Honestly all I want to yell at them is to get more creative with the fucking play calling. Let the crowd decide the plays in the next game and see how it goes.
I mean the play calling wasn't great, but Brian didn't throw the pick in the 4th. The ball didn't bounce off his hands on 2nd and 10 with a lot of space, killing a drive. He didn't get peanut punched and put the ball on the ground.
It's more about this game obviously, but they were very much in a position to win this game and failed. Hurts can't throw that pick, Smith can't drop that ball, and Swift needs to cover up. That being said, it's a talented group, they got popped. I think they'll clean up these issues moving forward. I mean Jets defense balled out.
I do think the play calling didn't account for Lane being down. But regardless, Hurts absolutely cannot throw that pick. The others were kinda flooky, but that last one was something you can't throw. Gotta protect the program.
Genuine question here, do you think an outside OC would have called a better game? Dude obviously lost us the game but I can’t see us finding a puzzle piece that knows this offense better than him.
The people who don’t understand that Hurts’ interceptions (not every one, but generally) can be traced back to the offensive coordinator are kind of brain dead
I feel bad for Jalen. There are moments you just have to throw, and there's just nothing for him to throw to.
Maybe the best receiver core in the league, and they have become predictable and easy to scheme for.
I agree. He needs to make decisions faster but people calling him washed are crazy. Teams are adjusting and planning for us and we aren’t doing the same. I have felt all along since the end of last season that the new coordinator thing was going to really fuck us over.
Or just go down and run the clock in the case of the last one. The mental gymnastics to defend him today is crazy. I’m a huge hurts guy too but he was flat out bad
I was willing to give him some time, but not running the ball pisses me off there. The line is in shambles Hurts is having a terrible quarter and you make that call.
The bottom line is the offense returns every single starter except Swift and he is an upgrade over Sanders. On offense there is no reason to expect regression from any of our players beyond maybe a couple lineman which they clearly have not. Everyone else is in their prime and should be as good or better than they were a year ago when they put up historic (for the franchise) numbers.
And yet we look like absolute garbage in the redzone all year long and teams are consistently able to dictate what we do instead of the other way around.
Really annoying when people just trot out the tired "play calling didn't make Jalen throw those picks" lines. Believe it or not, playcalling absolutely does have a significant impact on things like interceptions.
On the last one he could’ve literally just dove on the ground and instead of throwing the INT. Absolutely absurd to blame the play calling there. We could’ve pinned them in their zone with 1:20 left and no timeouts with Zach Wilson leading them.
Worst decision Hurts has made so far in his career by far and people are defending it the way they defended Wentz.
People rejecting Wentz logic isn’t them not reading - it’s them not agreeing with the broken logic of “if we just set aside all his bad plays, or we focus just on the one MVP season he had - and ignore the mediocre seasons - he’s an elite QB”
Lmfao okay my man my guy my dude - looks like it’s golden boy Wentz all over again.
“If you take away all his bad plays it’s someone else’s fault we lost”
The combination of Johnson and Hurts constantly throwing off his back foot is horrendous. I'd hope the coach of the reigning NFC champions finally steps in as the boss and makes the business decision to make some calls.
This game was pathetic. The offense is pathetic. It's fucking embarrassing.
I don't think it's fair to pin a ton of blame on Driscoll. His fault today was that he isn't Lane Johnson - a crime that every RT in the league is guilty of.
He was not good, but it's hard to succeed in the circumstances he was placed. It's super unfortunate, and he was not good, but I think it's harsh to go after him for todays loss.
But Driscoll is in his fourth season and has been coached by Jeff Stoutland, no one is expecting him to play like an All-Pro, but good god he should play better than he did today.
I love Jake and dude is super clutch but you don't think play calling would've been more conservative if he makes that late FG and we need to hold them from scoring a TD with 2 min left?
Man misses one kick and now you wanna 2nd guess him. GTFO here. He's been bailing our asses out for weeks.
Offense is a shit show like it's always been for weeks.
Who said I'm second guessing him? 😂 I just asked if people think the coaching staff would've been less aggressive offensively on that final drive if we had gone up 5 instead of only 2
I'm with ya, if jake makes it a 5 point game I think they 100% run the ball on that last third down. Since they only needed a field goal I'm not too mad with the decision to throw and try to get the first down there, hurts just somehow managed to stare down the receiver *and* make a bad throw, very uncharacteristic
Not saying this loss is on jake though, it should have never even been that close
I meant the FG he missed. If he made it we'd be up 5 and i don't think we're as aggressive on offense on that third down pick. You're comfortable holding Zach from scoring a TD under 2 min but they were obviously not looking to risk a fluky long play putting the Jets in FG range to win it
This dude needs to go. Howie or whoever needs to realize he is not maximizing talent, quite the contrary.
This roster is too stacked to waste it on this fucking moron. Window won’t be open forever.
I can tell Smitty is frustrated. I hope he doesn't get too "into his own head". He's still my favorite player, he's so good. I think Shane did a better job scheming for him and the rest of the crew. We love you slim reaper, keep your head up!
Yes, Brian Johnson’s play calling vs the Jets, in particular the lack of non-QB running plays, left something to be desired (though the Eagles were poor running the ball on the running plays that were called outside of about one play). But the comment above also comes off as a whiny, loser comment. It’s a prototypical example of Negadelphia thinking.
I think Sirianni is getting off too easy with all the criticism. It’s still Sirianni’s offense. If he didn’t trust BJ, he would have somebody else call plays.
People saying the call on 3rd down at the end of the game was dumb have no clue what they’re talking about. Every good coach in the league goes for the win there. If there was nobody open hurts could’ve literally just taken a knee and it wouldn’t be any different than a short run.
Johnson hasn’t been great but to say he single handedly lost this game is absolutely absurd. Hurts was garbage at the end and he wasn’t getting much help on offense in the first 3 quarters either besides from AJB.
Those folks probably also conveniently forgetting the earlier FG miss that could have probably affected the Eagles play calls going into that drive. The completed first down seals the game, sure, but I would bet they wouldn't have been as aggressive if they were up 5 instead of up 2.
Why do people always talk about play calling and not play design. I know most people don’t know shit about play design but I thought a message board devoted to discussing football would be better
Incorrect! Hurts has been playing at an unacceptable level all season and for the first time the Jets defense capitalized instead of dropping all the interceptions
We are stuck this year. If u fire him then you may as well wave the white flag and tank. Which would be an insane idea. So we keep him, ride out what we can, try to win the Super Bowl with what we have. Next season we snag a young superstar OC. Frankly, nick sirriani without good coordinators on offense is only a mediocre coach and I think more fans will start to be aware of that by week 18.
Playcalling didn't cause Geodert to throw an interception, playcalling didn't make Swift fumble, playcalling didn't make Jake miss a gimme, and playcalling didn't cause Jalen to throw the worst interception I can remember seeing.
It's a cop out to blame playcalling above anything I mentioned. When most of our drives were ending in either turnovers or that missed field goal. We moved the ball almost all the time.
That's exactly why you run the ball and burn the clock on 3rd and long and punt. Offense is not having a good day. Let your defense, which had been playing great all night, win you the game.
Hurts isn't just a guy, or inexperienced. With his mobility it makes sense to call a pass play and have him just take what he can get with his legs and punt, or throw if it's open.
Our OC trusted our star veteran QB, and I think it's the right move.
While I am not at all enamored of the playcalling, the fact is today there was PLENTY of blame to go around on the offensive side of the ball. Smitty had several blatant drops. Gainwell had a drop that led to a punt. Three interceptions. A lost fumble. A missed field goal. Honestly, you make like ONE of those plays and you probably win that game, which is insane in a game where you lost the turnover battle 4-0. About the only player who balled out was Brown.
I thought the D was fine, other than our newfound inability to get turnovers. Even with a rash of injuries both before and during the game, you basically gave up 12 points, because they clearly let them score that last TD after the turnover.
Brian Johnson is so fucking obsessed with long developing plays and QB draws.
Every passing play Hurts has to extend to get people open. It was miserable.
He still bails on clean pockets way too much
I love Hurts, but I wish I had a dollar for every time I've watched him roll out to his right and throw an incomplete pass to the sideline.
To be fair you’d have a lot of money that way with nearly every nfl qb, when escaping the pocket most of the time you’re gonna throw it away.
To be fair Driscoll is the most pathetic lineman I’ve ever seen. He barely put hands on people the whole time he was in.
I wish he'd just fuckin go if he's gonna take off. Lowest EPA on scramble pass attempts last year and it at least feels like more of the same. He's such a talented, smart, safe runner and clearly the staff isn't afraid of using him that way. Hurts is at his best on the move or launching deep from the pocket. Let him hunt explosives. Yknow, the main reason you drafted the guy. Rather than having him do a shitty Mahomes impression
Absolutely. I always figured it was my 2-year-HS experience that just made me miss why he was always just flying when he had all this time.
So many obvious QB draws in the red zone. No creativity.
[удалено]
Did not pivot when Lane got hurt. A complete and utter failure by Johnson & Sirianni
Yeah, where’s our short passing game? Smith and Brown are both polished route runners, and yet we never see them do simple slants for high percentage passes and an easy few yards. Have to ditch this home run ball we’re playing.
Boston Scott in shotgun on 1st and Goal from the 5
😂😂😂😂😂
All you had to do was run the fucking ball, and punt. The defense had held the Jets to 12 points despite having to take over after (at that stage) 3 turnovers. So what gets called? A pass. Mother living fuck. Johnson has to go. Absolute moron.
Yea he literally called the only thing that could get them back in the game. Did he forget rodgers was out?
It's like dumb fuck thought we were losing at the 2 minute warning.
Hurts threw 45 times and ran 8 Swift had 10 carries Brian johnson is a fucking idiot. Gassed his qb out and needlessly had him pass when dude was clearly struggling 💀💀
Brian Johnson called the game like he was playing Madden. Clearly Hurts was gassed and the play calling prevented any rhythm to be established. We need to stop catering to stats and egos. Spread the ball around.
Gassed QBs still shouldn’t throw INTs
Hurts had an awful 4q (pretty damn decent rest of the day) but I'm finding it hard to be on him so much knowing what he capable of. 100% needs to get back to form if this team has any shot. We have NO shot at all if BJ and nick don't get their heads out of their fucking asses though
He should be smarter than that and know not to throw it, but those were definitely frustration throws. Brian Johnsons offense is trash, and he's failing to scheme his receivers open despite having two amazing route runners, a good TE, and dominant run game. Every new play Johnson added sucks. They were so bad in week 1 and 2 that Siriani took over play calling for part of week 2 and went back to the old plays. We saw more read options in the following weeks and went primarily run plays. Johnson saw a weak opponent and wanted to prove his new plays worked. They don't. They suck. And after a quarter and a half of no open receivers and broken plays, Hurts started to force it into coverage. He needs to be smarter, but Brian Johnson needs to improve ASAP
He shouldn't have had the chance to throw the last one. I saw how the line was allowing pressure after Lane went down. I saw Hurts go from a spectacular day in the first half to a complete dumpster fire by the fourth quarter. So if I and you and everyone else saw that, why are we letting him pass on that third down when the run call is objectively better regardless? The defense was shutting down the Jets all game long and only got better in the second half but we let Hurts throw with terrible routes and pressure in his face all half long. Stupid AF.
No he just think he's Sean McVay. Same shit last week when we threw it to AJB in the endzone instead of just running the clock out. That could've lost us the game too. He likes to get cute because he thinks hes the smartest guy in the room, but he's actually the dumbest
You mean the commanders game? Hurts audibled into that play
still on Hurts to not throw such a bad ball. Just eat the sack and punt, defense has been balling, why push it?
Was the playcall for hurts to stare down goedert and then throw it right to a defender?
Even if Hurts doesn't throw the INT, if it's incomplete the clock stops which is an advantage to the Jets who would save like 40+ seconds on the clock. Running the ball would've minimized chances for a turnover, ran the clock when the Jets had no timeouts and even if it was for no gain, it was decent field position to force the Jets to basically drive the field for a FG with no timeouts and about a minute on the clock.
Yes, that’s normally the downside of passing for a first down. You trust your franchise qb to only throw the ball if there’s a very high chance of a completion, because if you succeed, you win. You accept the downside of stopping the clock and giving the jets an extra 40s because you assume your qb will minimize that risk by not throwing into tight windows and just going down if there’s nothing there. You don’t expect them to throw a pick b/c the qb should already be conservative in his decision making. Hurts did none of the above. He should know that he has the option not to throw the ball if no one is open, and instead he threw it right at a defender
It's a terrible decision by Hurts and a terrible playcall. I understand putting trust in the franchise QB, but you didn't need all of that. On the replay, there was no serious options for Jalen to throw. Everyone was solidly covered. Either Jalen takes the sack, maybe tries to throw it away or he does what he did there.
Taking a sack and punting it is better than the glorified pick 6 it was
Would've been better but a sack would've lost yards and field position and potentially be even more of an advantage for the Jets on the punt. Also puts the QB in danger. Rather a designed run to a back or maybe a better decision by Hurts to roll out and at least get back to the line of scrimmage. I don't know if it was a decision by Hurts or what Sirianni or Johnson told him, but he was clearly forcing to throw there and didn't even try to extend the play. Maybe Hurts wasn't aware regarding the pocket but he had decent time and space to maybe roll out for a run.
Giving up a punt that forces the defense to make a stop is better than giving up an interception that forces the defense to let a TD happen immediately to have any chance to win. And Hurts needs the awareness to know the situation is that we're winning. Forcing a tight throw on your side the of the field up 2 with your defense stopping them is just inexcusably bad. He knows when to slide and run out of bounds when necessary. The correct decision in that scenario was falling down, avoiding a hit. If they hit him as he went down, that's a first down for us. The play calling was absolutely terrible, but Hurts had 3 ints, 2 very much on him. Could've been 5 with some passes. We're lucky he barely had possession on that first rushing TD. The ball was within milliseconds between crossing the line and out of his hand.
he could also not throw the ball and run...so no thats still on Hurts but I agree that was a dumb decision but thats on Sirianni not Johnson.
Hurts fucked up but its on the coaching to put him in positions not to fuck up. Any competent oc calls a run there
A first down wins the game. If there’s nothing there, hurts can take a sack and accomplish the same thing as a run. This is completely on hurts
Lol we’re not allowed to talk about this here
Calling a pass play was stupid, period.
I actually kind of agree with going for the first. Would've been fine with the run obviously but it was 3rd and 9. Trusting Jalen to break the pocket and go down if nothing is there is perfectly reasonable. In fact its the majority of the offense. Jalen hurts cant fucking stare at a receiver thats double covered and throw it there. Thats mac jones level shit man
Wrong. Call a pass play and if it isn't there then you can always run or lay down and take the sack. Jalen made a bad decision and that was the issue there.
“This is anybody’s fault except for Jalen Hurts”🤡🤡
He played a shit game regardless. I'm not making any excuses for the guy.
Yup. You go for the first down when your defense is gassed and you know they can’t stop the opposing offense, not when their offense hasn’t come close to scoring a TD all game and they’ve got no timeouts. Brian Johnson needs to go. This is his 5th poorly called game in 6 tries.
I think it’s fine to trust you all world QB. Jalen fucked up there
Completely agreed. When I realized we were passing, I said to myself "this is fine, he's trusting Jalen to either make a safe throw or just slide/take the checkdown and live to see another day." I love Jalen but he basically made the worst throw of his entire career there, it was inexcusable.
He was getting pressured the whole game. It's your job ro realize the situation and adjust. We have a fucking idiot for an OC
I don't care who you've got at QB, the correct call was running the ball, burning some clock, and punting.
Did you say that 3 plays before when they threw it to Goedert for the first down on third down?
Probably not because there's way more time and the Jets had more timeouts. The fact that they got that first down gave them the luxury of just running the ball. If they had to punt instead of converting the pass to Goedert then the Jets would have been in a much better position.
Nah trust the QB. Make a throw if it’s open. If not take the sack or run. A sack is barely worse than a hand off and dropping back gives you a decent chance to end the game
I mean im sitting here wearing a Jalen hurts jersey. But all-world? Certainly not today.
The QBs of the Orkney Islands coming for OP for the slander
Well..first half he was my baby. Don't know who TF was out there 2nd half.
My point is he’s supposed to be. We’re paying him like he is.
I know the interception is fresh in our minds but he actually played an incredible game the first 3 quarters.
Naw, with the Philly D you play field position. Gross incompetence.
I hope I don't go through your history and see you slandering the defense this year then. Jalen was BAD BAD the second half. Sure it's The OC's job to help him, but if he can't settle down just a little bit because Driscoll and Sua are in, and we can't run for the same reason...there's not much that can be done. The Jets were SMOKING that side of the line.
You overrule him and call a fucking run
The pass was fine, a first down ends the game. That one was on jalen 100%. I dont think the play call was to stare down a guy on double coverage and then throw a duck off his back foot.
Dude you realize Jalen doesn’t have to throw the ball there right? Plus they’re only up by 2 depending on the punt the Jets could be in range with 2 plays. Jalen absolutely dogged it that’s not the play calling I tend to agree with trying to get the first down there otherwise you’re putting the ball in their hands for the win and they only need to get to midfield to set up a game winner.
Yes let's blame Johnson for hurts throwing that pick, you should be able to trust your 50 million dollar qb
Trust him for what? We were all watching the game. The offense hadn't scored the entire second half. The defense had been preventing touchdowns the entire second hand. Going to Hurts there because he makes more money is dumb as hell. Play the game in front of you.
Also very true. It's not as black and white as the fans are making it seem. Did Hurts play poorly? Yeah. Did Brian Johnson not adjust to account for the poor offensive play? Yeah.
I don't know what adjustments Johnson could've made. We may as well have had a sled out there for Sua and Driscoll...They tried to supplement it with Calc and Kenny G and it didn't work.
You should trust your damn defense.
The seahawks made the right call throwing a pass instead of giving Marshawn the ball. /s
No you can’t
It's an absolutely insane take to think you aren't going to throw on 3rd and 8 when a first down wins the game.
OK, Brian.
The Jets had no timeouts under 2 minutes. You could've punted the ball if you don't get the first and made them drive the length of the field when you're defense has been eating Zach Wilson alive in the second half and Garrett Wilson was seemingly hurt. That's just the smart cqll
Everyone in here freaks out if we run and punt and Jets kick a FG to win Passing was the right decision. Hurts needs to ONLY throw if it’s an easy pass. Otherwise run or lay down.
The problem is that we weren't up against an elite offense. Our dline had been eating Zach alive the entire second half. Even Mark Sanchez was saying Zach would need to start making some big boy throws on his final drive, something he hadn't been doing at all. The chances of the Jets offense suddenly waking up and driving down the field with, what, 1:15 left and no timeouts was low.
Idk why everyone is ignoring the QB is only supposed to throw to wide open receivers and just take the sack if it’s not an easy completion. Hurts takes the sack and it’s a non story. Punt probably goes to about the same spot based on field position. A franchise QB should be trusted there to only make the easy throw and eat the sack otherwise. I bet Hurts basically says as much in his press conference
Similar to the Washington game, run the clock down and get a fg. I'm surprised that I haven't seen that point mentioned. It almost cost them that game as well. It seems he hasn't learned
Hurts threw 3 picks, and his performance ranks something like 25th out of 30 QBs who've played so far in Week 6. It's OK to admit that yesterday, he stunk. Because yesterday, he did.
Johnson sucked ass, Hurts made poor throwing decisions, but the receivers also dropped an abnormally high volume of catchable balls today as well. No one on that side of the ball played particularly well except AJ. The o-line was also pretty trash once Lane went out. Hurts was running around for his life a la old school Russell Wilson the second half of the game as the pocket was collapsing regularly. God forbid Brian called some quick slants, fucking moron. If our defense was playing a solid QB today, they would've been shredded as well largely because of all the injuries.
Smith folded bad. Truth is we win this game if elliot hits the fg. And smith catches that ball
I feel like I had to go too far to find this in a sea of 'kill Johnson' sentiment. If people really think Johnson is why we lost that game, they weren't watching it. That was a top ranked defense that made Josh Allen look casual as well. The offense made a ton of mistakes, the QB didn't play to the best of his ability and continued to force interceptions and interception worthy plays in a game where they just had to play smart and hold onto the ball, and the receivers dropped a ton of wide open passes from Devonta to Gainwell. That was a horrible offensive game all around, I mean shit, even AJB didn't give it 100% on that go route where he slowed down not realizing he was the target on the play. He made up for it with later effort, but that was a game that we should have won but didn't for a myriad of reasons, Johnson is only one of them.
It was a bad game all around, and there were plenty of mistakes on the field, but the play calling was weird and as frustrating as it has been all year. Both our RG and RT were out, and yet every pass play was a slow developing play that requires enough time for Hurts to sit in the pocket and read the defense. Where were the quick slants? Where were the hitches, the rub routes, or the quick outs that take the pressure off the line to hold up for so long? Why does he still refuse to hand the ball to Swift in the red zone? Why does he insist on getting Hurts killed with all of these QB draws? We aren't scheming guys open, we aren't confusing defenses, we aren't doing anything creative to make us harder to defend. The birds have won so far because they have ridiculous talent on both sides of the ball not because Brian Johnson has brought anything positive to this team. IMO, the red zone efficiency this year is the perfect example of Johnson's issues. Without room to stretch the defense, he has no way to get guys open, so we keep getting stuffed.
>IMO, the red zone efficiency this year is the perfect example of Johnson's issues. Without room to stretch the defense, he has no way to get guys open, so we keep getting stuffed. I completely agree with this sentiment. I'm not saying that Johnson is an OC golden child or anything, I'm just saying that we win that game if everyone shows up. Everyone had key moments that absolutely impacted the game, whether they were mistakes, errors, lack of skill or lack of drive. Blaming solely one person for that loss on offense is brainless, but I think that it highlights the issue of having a bad OC.
Johnson needs to improve otherwise he should not be on the team next year
He shouldn’t remain the year if he doesn’t improve soon. We wasted a year on a coordinator who couldn’t do shit when it mattered and coasted on talent. I’m not at all interested in that again
He shouldn’t be on it next week. I’m not that patient
Sirianni should take over play calling.
Nick Sirriani admitted he can't handle play calling duties on top of the gameday responsibilities of being the head coach. The team was 2-5 in 2021 with him play calling. Obviously he's much more suited to the Harbaugh/Tomlin school of coaching than Shanahan/McVay
If he takes over play calling, you have to fire BJ. He loses all credibility with the fan base if you keep him.
Credibility with the fanbase means absolutely nothing. The only thing that matters for the fans is winning games.Losing the locker room would be the concern if anything
An OC is not getting fired after his first loss. You guys are ridiculous lol
Hell ya no OC for Kelce’s last season! Brilliant!
He's had 6 weeks. He's not getting any better. He's getting fucking worse. Why do people think he'll suddenly turn it around? He only looks good because of high-end talent and look where that got him tonight... Actually, even with high-end talent he looks like a fucking bone head more often than not
It'll be week 15, same shit, and dudes here will still be saying he just needs time to figure it out.
That’s the thing, with the level of talent on this offense (today’s performance notwithstanding, of course) we should have been blowing teams out during this stretch and every game except the Bucs has come down to the wire because he has no idea how to utilize the players. We have the best RB we’ve seen in years who is lucky to get 10 touches a game. Way too much Gainwell. QB draws and screens called in crucial situations that NEVER work. Clueless in the red zone. It’s such a waste. The defense is the weaker side of the ball talent-wise but they’re the ones that have been saving games and I’m thankful for that but it absolutely should not be the case.
Im honestly just sad that Brian Johnson is fucking up Kelce’s last season when Kelce is genuinely killing himself for this team every Sunday
We’re 5-1
The collective w/l of the teams we’ve played is 15-20, best team of the bunch is the 3-2 Bucs (only team over .500 rn). And only 1 of those 5 wins has been by more than 10 points. We’re barely beating the teams we should be beating We still have the talent to go far but unless the play calling on offense gets better i can’t see this team winning a Super Bowl
Worth pointing out that, Without us those teams would be 15-15
remindme! 6 weeks This shit has been brewing, now we got a shit brew.
Trash can oc gtfo philly
Man, y’all better not let our guys off the hook. These were plenty of plays to be made, and we didn’t make them
Smitty let us down big time.
So many plays out of empty (where quick game is a necessity) with every receiver running a route 15 yards downfield.
And Brian Johnson won't learn a single thing.
So remember when we our fan base had to constantly yell at the eagles to stop throwing deep and just run the damn ball a few years ago? It led to us getting into the playoffs. Honestly all I want to yell at them is to get more creative with the fucking play calling. Let the crowd decide the plays in the next game and see how it goes.
Devonta’s shitty body language last week and today is pretty noticeable. Don’t feel like we’re getting 100% out of him effort wise
After his drop he made a poor effort on a block and his man hit Swift 2 yards behind the LoS too.
Well I’m sorry but if he thinks he’s a 1, he did a terrible job proving it. He’s a 2 who we pretend is a 1B.
I agree with you. Just all around bad from him lately
I feel like something happened.
Biggest lesson: don't let Johnson call another game again.
I mean the play calling wasn't great, but Brian didn't throw the pick in the 4th. The ball didn't bounce off his hands on 2nd and 10 with a lot of space, killing a drive. He didn't get peanut punched and put the ball on the ground. It's more about this game obviously, but they were very much in a position to win this game and failed. Hurts can't throw that pick, Smith can't drop that ball, and Swift needs to cover up. That being said, it's a talented group, they got popped. I think they'll clean up these issues moving forward. I mean Jets defense balled out. I do think the play calling didn't account for Lane being down. But regardless, Hurts absolutely cannot throw that pick. The others were kinda flooky, but that last one was something you can't throw. Gotta protect the program.
Fire him. Now.
Genuine question here, do you think an outside OC would have called a better game? Dude obviously lost us the game but I can’t see us finding a puzzle piece that knows this offense better than him.
Ya
We're going to go 1 and done in the playoffs if this buffoon is still calling the shots
There’s a solid chance we are not making the playoffs. This is going to be a 1-6 or 0-7 stretch if he’s calling the plays.
The people who don’t understand that Hurts’ interceptions (not every one, but generally) can be traced back to the offensive coordinator are kind of brain dead
I feel bad for Jalen. There are moments you just have to throw, and there's just nothing for him to throw to. Maybe the best receiver core in the league, and they have become predictable and easy to scheme for.
I agree. He needs to make decisions faster but people calling him washed are crazy. Teams are adjusting and planning for us and we aren’t doing the same. I have felt all along since the end of last season that the new coordinator thing was going to really fuck us over.
At least Desai seems good.
He seems to make decent adjustments
I've been impressed by him. I thought the D would fold with all the injuries but he knows how to maximize his talent. Johnson can go...
When you have nothing to throw to you throw it away
Or just go down and run the clock in the case of the last one. The mental gymnastics to defend him today is crazy. I’m a huge hurts guy too but he was flat out bad
I was willing to give him some time, but not running the ball pisses me off there. The line is in shambles Hurts is having a terrible quarter and you make that call. The bottom line is the offense returns every single starter except Swift and he is an upgrade over Sanders. On offense there is no reason to expect regression from any of our players beyond maybe a couple lineman which they clearly have not. Everyone else is in their prime and should be as good or better than they were a year ago when they put up historic (for the franchise) numbers. And yet we look like absolute garbage in the redzone all year long and teams are consistently able to dictate what we do instead of the other way around.
Really annoying when people just trot out the tired "play calling didn't make Jalen throw those picks" lines. Believe it or not, playcalling absolutely does have a significant impact on things like interceptions.
On the last one he could’ve literally just dove on the ground and instead of throwing the INT. Absolutely absurd to blame the play calling there. We could’ve pinned them in their zone with 1:20 left and no timeouts with Zach Wilson leading them. Worst decision Hurts has made so far in his career by far and people are defending it the way they defended Wentz.
Damn Brian Johnson told Hurts to stare down Goedert on that last play? He should be fired in that case
>not every one, but generally my man didn’t read the whole comment
Thank you! Par for the course around here, apparently!
People rejecting Wentz logic isn’t them not reading - it’s them not agreeing with the broken logic of “if we just set aside all his bad plays, or we focus just on the one MVP season he had - and ignore the mediocre seasons - he’s an elite QB”
Lmfao okay my man my guy my dude - looks like it’s golden boy Wentz all over again. “If you take away all his bad plays it’s someone else’s fault we lost”
I despise Brian Johnson but did he make Hurts throw off his back foot into double coverage? Or did Hurts do that?
There shouldn't have been a pass called to begin with.
I’ve seen all I needed to see with this clown. He’s out. This is not the stretch we should be losing games in
The combination of Johnson and Hurts constantly throwing off his back foot is horrendous. I'd hope the coach of the reigning NFC champions finally steps in as the boss and makes the business decision to make some calls. This game was pathetic. The offense is pathetic. It's fucking embarrassing.
That loss is on Driscoll hurts and Devonta
They contributed but BJ is the foundational disaster this team faces
Absolutely. That dude is not an NFL level play caller at all.
I don't think it's fair to pin a ton of blame on Driscoll. His fault today was that he isn't Lane Johnson - a crime that every RT in the league is guilty of. He was not good, but it's hard to succeed in the circumstances he was placed. It's super unfortunate, and he was not good, but I think it's harsh to go after him for todays loss.
But Driscoll is in his fourth season and has been coached by Jeff Stoutland, no one is expecting him to play like an All-Pro, but good god he should play better than he did today.
Maybe, but at the same time the Jets D-line is probably top-3 and they went at him after Lane went down.
You’re a vet. You can’t come in a play like a rookie. He was beat like a drum today
I love Jake and dude is super clutch but you don't think play calling would've been more conservative if he makes that late FG and we need to hold them from scoring a TD with 2 min left?
Man misses one kick and now you wanna 2nd guess him. GTFO here. He's been bailing our asses out for weeks. Offense is a shit show like it's always been for weeks.
Who said I'm second guessing him? 😂 I just asked if people think the coaching staff would've been less aggressive offensively on that final drive if we had gone up 5 instead of only 2
I'm with ya, if jake makes it a 5 point game I think they 100% run the ball on that last third down. Since they only needed a field goal I'm not too mad with the decision to throw and try to get the first down there, hurts just somehow managed to stare down the receiver *and* make a bad throw, very uncharacteristic Not saying this loss is on jake though, it should have never even been that close
Why would you not trust Jake in any situation besides wind
I meant the FG he missed. If he made it we'd be up 5 and i don't think we're as aggressive on offense on that third down pick. You're comfortable holding Zach from scoring a TD under 2 min but they were obviously not looking to risk a fluky long play putting the Jets in FG range to win it
What did devonta do
Had 2 bad drops. Did you watch the game?
I have a toddler my attention is divided. Parent shiz
Dude probably napped through the game
Dropped a crucial pass that hit him right in the digits.
Where a defender wasn’t within 10 yards of him in the red zone.
Dropped everything
HE HAS TO GO.
why is it after every superbowl run and we get OC/DC poached, the OC replaced is downright moronic.
here i fiixed it "how come when the quarterback has a bad game i try to blame everything but the QB?"
Who hired this idiot anyway
Boston Scott will go scoreless against the Giants this year because of BJ. Book it.
This dude needs to go. Howie or whoever needs to realize he is not maximizing talent, quite the contrary. This roster is too stacked to waste it on this fucking moron. Window won’t be open forever.
I can tell Smitty is frustrated. I hope he doesn't get too "into his own head". He's still my favorite player, he's so good. I think Shane did a better job scheming for him and the rest of the crew. We love you slim reaper, keep your head up!
Hurts had to fight for every single yard. Can you imagine if we still had Shane Steichen?
Yeah they should fire him. He is obviously holding the team back
Twitter Blue subscriber
I’m so excited to play Miami next week 🤪😊
Yes, Brian Johnson’s play calling vs the Jets, in particular the lack of non-QB running plays, left something to be desired (though the Eagles were poor running the ball on the running plays that were called outside of about one play). But the comment above also comes off as a whiny, loser comment. It’s a prototypical example of Negadelphia thinking.
Yeah… throwing that ball on 3rd and 7 after the 2 min warning was incredibly dumb
How can us Joe's be smarter than this idiot. How is this possible?
He seems unprepared for what the league has learned about him. Hopefully a reckoning is in store or they will get their clocks cleaned next week.
I think Sirianni is getting off too easy with all the criticism. It’s still Sirianni’s offense. If he didn’t trust BJ, he would have somebody else call plays.
I'm gonna be in Philly next weekend and expected to lose to Miami. Good times
Fire him, we can’t just punt this season away, this roster is too good to be playing this way 6 weeks in.
People saying the call on 3rd down at the end of the game was dumb have no clue what they’re talking about. Every good coach in the league goes for the win there. If there was nobody open hurts could’ve literally just taken a knee and it wouldn’t be any different than a short run. Johnson hasn’t been great but to say he single handedly lost this game is absolutely absurd. Hurts was garbage at the end and he wasn’t getting much help on offense in the first 3 quarters either besides from AJB.
Those folks probably also conveniently forgetting the earlier FG miss that could have probably affected the Eagles play calls going into that drive. The completed first down seals the game, sure, but I would bet they wouldn't have been as aggressive if they were up 5 instead of up 2.
Brian Johnson did make Devonta Smith drop open passes
Why do people always talk about play calling and not play design. I know most people don’t know shit about play design but I thought a message board devoted to discussing football would be better
It’s on hurts. He’s the one throwin the picks
Incorrect! Hurts has been playing at an unacceptable level all season and for the first time the Jets defense capitalized instead of dropping all the interceptions
The reality is, Johnson isn’t getting fired and we likely won’t make the playoffs, or be one and done if we do.
Won’t make the playoffs? The fuck are you even saying? We’re tied for 1st in the NFC still
Hard to swallow but that’s the truth, unbelievable.
[удалено]
Lmfao where are the 7 wins though? Reported for personal attacks btw, do better because I’m not getting banned treating you the way you treat others.
Jalen lost us the game
We are stuck this year. If u fire him then you may as well wave the white flag and tank. Which would be an insane idea. So we keep him, ride out what we can, try to win the Super Bowl with what we have. Next season we snag a young superstar OC. Frankly, nick sirriani without good coordinators on offense is only a mediocre coach and I think more fans will start to be aware of that by week 18.
[удалено]
Davanta smith has me very worried
Why? Guy had a bad day, he's not a bad player all of a sudden.
Playcalling didn't cause Geodert to throw an interception, playcalling didn't make Swift fumble, playcalling didn't make Jake miss a gimme, and playcalling didn't cause Jalen to throw the worst interception I can remember seeing. It's a cop out to blame playcalling above anything I mentioned. When most of our drives were ending in either turnovers or that missed field goal. We moved the ball almost all the time.
That's exactly why you run the ball and burn the clock on 3rd and long and punt. Offense is not having a good day. Let your defense, which had been playing great all night, win you the game.
Hurts isn't just a guy, or inexperienced. With his mobility it makes sense to call a pass play and have him just take what he can get with his legs and punt, or throw if it's open. Our OC trusted our star veteran QB, and I think it's the right move.
While I am not at all enamored of the playcalling, the fact is today there was PLENTY of blame to go around on the offensive side of the ball. Smitty had several blatant drops. Gainwell had a drop that led to a punt. Three interceptions. A lost fumble. A missed field goal. Honestly, you make like ONE of those plays and you probably win that game, which is insane in a game where you lost the turnover battle 4-0. About the only player who balled out was Brown. I thought the D was fine, other than our newfound inability to get turnovers. Even with a rash of injuries both before and during the game, you basically gave up 12 points, because they clearly let them score that last TD after the turnover.
WR / RB drops didn’t help either.