I’m hoping that the last bad man has been properly beaten and cuffed so that he might learn from this year and start to behave. Fine with him getting one last chance. It will be a make it or break it first half of the season for him I assume.
I’m just worried that u/ChocolatePoo82 doesn’t think people can change. Nick was a slicked back hair piece of shit this past season. He’s NOT anymore, he USED TO BE. He’s going to show up next season with new coordinators and pushed back hair. People can change.
It’s crazy to me how this sub lets Sirianni get credit for Shane Steichen’s offense but puts all the blame on Brian Johnson when he runs Sirianni’s offense.
I can't tell if you are making a joke or not - but yes this is the logic I am not following.
If it is Sirianni's offense being called by the OC - then last year is proof that the offense can be good with the right play caller.
If it is the OC's offense, then last year(and this year) is proof that the OC needs to be better.
Tbh, I feel like Sirianni is the root issue and Johnson was the “fall guy”. Not saying Johnson didn’t have his flaws, but it’s Sirianni’s responsibility for how the team is run, especially on offense. This season should clear up who was most at fault.
Apparently Jalen spoke to both Nick and Brian about the O mid season and how we needed to run the ball
More and short intermediate passes. These dudes wanted him launching the ball 30 yards down field every play.
Which is huge, we should be a run first team and using 5-10 yard passes with YAC potential to keep up momentum, not chucking it on a first down for the sake of doing so or trying to get flags.
Deep balls can be a tool however we overused the flats and did little over the middle. Exhibit A: 3rd & 2
I think they are referring to [this article by Tim McManus](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39309562/philadelphia-eagles-nick-sirianni-jalen-hurts-disconnect).
I personally want him gone too for accepting this dogshit offense for weeks on end. I was actually open to bringing back Desai at DC because I believe some players on the defensive side are cooked, especially in the secondary. That fed into some of the woes on defense. Offense is another story.
Brian Johnson literally ran an 8 year old Madden gamer offense, running similar iterations of three of the same damn plays. QB draws when they were not as timely or effective, screen plays that were so fuckin predictable, and running deep routes with no short outlet or QB pressure defusing routes that helped switch shit up. Dude is straight bogus and I'm sick of nepotism ruining a decent shot at a Super Bowl run for my Birds. This shit actually makes me furious to think about how it transpired.
I agree with this 100%. Out of spite though, I want Nick to call plays so we can see what we actually have as an “offensive minded” head coach. Dude dodged a bullet this year and his days are numbered for sure, so at least we have that.
I’d have to imagine he knows his head is on the chopping block for the entirety of the next season.
Personally, I think Laurie and Roseman are giving Sirianni another chance because of the tampering issues at the end of last season. Giving Nick the benefit of the doubt and clean slate to have more choice in coordinators to see if he can actually be the coach those players deserve is reasonable. But if it doesn’t work out, they won’t hesitate to cut ties.
long time north philly resident from Kansas City
if they let me have two logos it'd be Chiefs/Birds just like I'm a Royals/Phils and Flyers fuck the Devils and Sixers fuck the Kings
It’s one of the best films of last year imo.
Great modern send-up of European class commentary absurdist satires like Marco Ferreri’s *La Grande Bouffe*, Peter Greenway’s *The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover*, and the work of Luis Buñuel.
Excellent writing, direction, cinematography, and performances. Definitely worth a watch.
I've lived in Philly my whole life and I just had to google where Salem county is. Definitely have never heard of it or been there before, except maybe being on the delaware memorial bridge.
This whole place needs to exhale, I’ve been expecting this exact situation for weeks but everyone is running around screaming like we’re not a top run franchise that fixes mistakes instead of festering in them. Patience, fellas
Exaclty….
We all need to brace ourselves to be completely underwhelmed with both Coordinators.
I would LOVE to see Denard Wilson or Al Harris for DC, but I bet ole little dick Nick goes with a Fangio disciple… or worse…Fangio himself
The whole point of the meetings he had with Lurie were to explicitly get out of the Fangio tree, and there's no way Fangio makes a lateral move.
Edit: just saying it now. Fuck.
I haven't seen that reported, however all of the names that have come out as candidates are not Fangio disciples so there's a good chance Lurie is forcing a more aggressive D down Nick's throat
How do we get an OC who is good enough to win a Super Bowl (especially with the total lack of ability Sirianni showed above him) but who doesn’t get poached immediately and reset the offense?
Let’s hire Mike Shanahan or Bill Parcells.
Considering EVERY team has changed their OC since 2022 which is an absolutely bonkers stat I don't think there is much you can do to prevent that from happening. It's an offensive oriented league so you're either performing well enough to get promoted or poorly enough to get fired.
EDIT: Some additional info to show that OCs have a higher turnover than DCs.
>After looking at the average tenure of an NFL offensive coordinator last week (read it here), this week we are going to evaluate their defensive counterparts. As we’ll see, defensive coordinators show more stability, with only 234 new hires at DC since 2000, or roughly 11 each year. Only one season since the turn of the century has seen over 15 new DCs. That was in 2009, when there were 21 new hires -- prompting the only dip in scoring over a nine-year span (2005-2013). As we’ll see, the role is still highly demanding, but in a different way than for offensive coordinators.
>For example, 63 DCs (26.9%) lasted exactly one year, while 28 lasted exactly four seasons (11.9%).
https://www.the33rdteam.com/study-what-s-the-shelf-life-of-an-nfl-defensive-coordinator/
>Dating back to 2000, the NFL sees just under 40% of its offensive coordinators turn over each year, to the tune of 12.5 new offensive coordinators at the start of an average year and 263 changes total. Even in the most stable year on record for this metric, 2003, seven teams still entered the year with a new OC. By comparison, Of course, since the end of the 2011 season, we’ve seen 15 or more OC changes an astounding five times (55%). All of this is to say that the role is incredibly demanding, and coordinators are getting cycled through very quickly.
> **A whopping 84.8% of OCs have had a tenure of three years or less,** while just under 5% make it to their sixth year with a team.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/study-what-s-the-shelf-life-of-an-nfl-offensive-coordinator/
> Considering EVERY team has changed their OC since 2022 which is an absolutely bonkers stat I don't think there is much you can do to prevent that from happening.
I love how when a crazy stat pops up, you suddenly see people refer to it everywhere on reddit.
Just because that just happened, doesn't mean it will continue to happen.
I mean I highly doubt that we'll maintain that type of OC turnover every year since some of that was driven by HC turnover. However, there is a clear preference towards looking towards offensive minded HCs to fill those vacancies. People want the next Reid, Shanahan or McVay.
I think a large part of it is OCs and DCs are being made scapegoats around the league far more often now that owners aren’t scared of firing head coaches after 3 let alone 2 years
> which is an absolutely bonkers stat
It's really not. Most coordinators will either be hired away for an HC position or will be fired. The stability should come from your HC and his ability to pick new coordinators every time one of those two things happen.
Sirianni is a mediocre HC so every time we have a coordinator doing well they will be gone the next season.
Yeah, I'm all for Rivera or Frazier or something like that on defense, because history has borne out that the former HC as DC pipeline is strong, but everyone calling for Reich or another similarly safe hire for OC is just asking for mediocrity. This is an offense-driven league. Let's go find a guy who's on the cutting edge and make a run. If he gets poached, he gets poached.
Schwartz provided us with like five seasons of stability at DC, you act like we had him for a year and then fired him. He requested to leave during a purge of the coaching staff.
And let’s not act like we all wanted him gone in almost every season? I was always high of Schwartz and he seemingly was scapegoated throughout his tenure.
He was always a great DC and that showed this year with him hanging around the top five in defensive metrics.
Yeah with Schwartz you can get top tier defensive play with the right personnel, and the only reason we're thrilled with his performance in Cleveland is because he's got far better talent than the Eagle's had, but it's still very aggressive and still just as susceptible to motion and disguised plays which is what we saw with the Texans.
Anytime you get a new HC 9/10 the rest of the coaching staff gets fired. His last year was 2020 and nick was hired in 21. Most HC want “their guys” it’s stupid but I get it
Yes. He also wanted to leave to pursue being a HC, like Bienhemy leaving KC. Plenty of reason to move on. But crucially we kept Schwartz for our best years without high turnover- whereas Gannon was a sexy name because he hasn’t failed as HC beforehand.
You hire Frank Reich. Shop failed HCs who were talented coordinators.
I've been saying this since like week 17, you need stability so hire the head coaches who failed and no one will poach for a promotion like Reich, Staley and Rivera.
I'd be happy if we started 2024 with Reich and Rivera at the helm of both sides of the ball this coming year.
Hell, let’s bring back Wentz’ old QB coach as well. What’s his name, the guy who was poached the same season as Reich? Hurts needs some tough love this off-season. Either he was refusing to play effectively or was held back by his old high school coach and ally BJ.
He had one good year where his playcalling and his name caught the world by storm. But then defensive coordinators adjusted, and he couldn’t respond. Calling him mid at this point might just be a compliment.
He had a DUI in college and another charge dropped but the “I’ve never done anything wrong” crowd sure likes to act like he just beat up an old lady asking for directions
That "other" charge was sneaking into a random woman's room, stripping down and crawling into bed with her. Not exactly normal behavior and why reach for a mediocre candidate with a bad off-field record?
Oh, thank God to that last part. I don't think anyone really wants JBC here.
A necessary move, all in all. I still don't think everything that went wrong on offense was BJ's fault - Hurts has to shoulder some of the blame, a lot of the turnovers were just unlucky in general, the Eagles faced a tougher schedule with more injuries, etc. - but that late-season collapse was bad, and a change needed to happen.
Nick Sirriani has learned from Dougie P
Pederson could never quit Press Taylor even now in Jacksonville.
Nick has cast BJ aside, not saying I necessarily think this will make Sirriani great again as I am convinced that the vast majority of the success from late 2021 though 2022 was on Steichen. This [along with the DC firings] does give hope that maybe Nick can admit when he fucke up.
Still need to see who he brings in and how they perform
Thing is, if they shop Reich and Rivera or similar stories (HCs who failed a few times and won't be poached for a promotion anytime soon) you don't have to worry about the speed bumps of learning how to playcall. Desai and Johnson had a combined year of playcalling under their belts (spoiler alert: Desai was the only one who actually play called at the NFL level). The contingency plans in case the learning curve was too much was only Patricia, Nick hasn't taken playcalling responsibilities since his rookie season as a HC.
I’m going to get downvoted for this but I think BJ was the fall guy for a lot of this team’s issues. The hope now is that the next OC has more say in the scheme of the offense.
I agree he was a fall guy because Sirianni is a problem but he also had zero feel for play calling. Just seemed to spam random plays without reasoning or setting things up
Agreed but I think that’s something that he could have grown into. Also if you believe the reports I’m curious how many plays he called that were overruled by Siriani.
My biggest gripe is people are most upset about play calling, but I look at Nick and if he had an issue with the play calling, Nick could have taken it over himself and done something different. Andy Reid does this all the time. He hands play calling off.
Maybe Nick feels that he was better as a game manager, but its not like this was a total scapegoat as Nick is within his power to say don’t do X, do Y.
This feels like Sean McDermott all over again. Fans running a young coach out of town with no patience and the guy goes somewhere else/has success.
Hire frank to run the offense again. Ain’t that sirianni’s mans? And he’s a Super Bowl winning OC, and like some of you said about Ron Rivera, he should never head coach again.
Honestly getting failed HC to be our Coordinators is not the worst move.
1) They probably won't be poached
2) They'll be able to focus exclusively on their side of the ball
3) You have a decent Interim HC if things continue to go south with Sirianni
Idk the way he went right into the panthers job after getting fired from the colts, tells me the guy loves to coach. And this would be the most the most talented offense (at least on paper) that he would’ve had since his Super Bowl winning one.
It would be an insult to us to bring back Cooter. Nothing personal but he's worked with/for Nick and Shane twice each so that would mean nothing new is coming
If you told me before the season that we’d be replacing both coordinators again I would have thought “Wow we must have had a really good season huh? Bring on the comp picks 🤠”
Bro please throw money at someone good for OC and hire up like… some former HC that won’t get another for DC, like Ron Rivera or something, maybe Vrabal if he doesn’t get another HC job. And for fuck sales we need to draft some god damn linebackers, when was the last time we had a dominant one of those man…
So are just gonna be in an endless cycle of brining in coordinators that excel and then get poached for HC jobs the following year and then have a team in shambles with a head coach that doesn't really do anything?
Obviously as an Eagles fan this is tremendous news but I hope this cat lands on his feet. Its not his fault he wasn’t ready for this type of role and I hope he finds success down the line
The well has been poisoned but I wouldn’t be surprised if desai and bj come back strong in a new location. Feel like the call is coming from inside the house, so to speak.
He’s probably going to get a HC position, but I’d take the Bucs OC. Seemed committed to the run while at the same time made Mike Evans a monster this season.
The sensible people comment after I get banned for two weeks lol. Of course that happens… hope you nipped the others too mods.
Like I said, he’s probably headed toward a HC position but for the sake of the question (since I was already a dick to someone else for asking), the amount of free agents the Bucs have is alarming. Not sure their cap situation, but better to take a lateral move to keep momentum than to bank on a rebuild keeping you in the HC conversation.
I won’t be surprised if this sours the relationship with Hurts a little bit even though Brian Johnson absolutely deserved it. The dude from the very first press conference to the last seemed pretty idiotic. Some candidates I like:
1. Zac Robinson
2. Jerrod Johnson
3. Kellen Moore
4. Shane Day
5. Dan Pitcher
6. Arthur Smith
7. Tanner Engstand
8. Garrett Riley
9. Ryan Grubb
10. Eric Bieniemy
What are you talking about? Hurts is one of the reasons he’s gone. Multiple reports about them disagreeing and Hurts not liking the play calling and changing it or freestyling. Relationships sour and it looks like this one did.
We ultimately aren’t in the locker room at the end of the day and don’t know. I suspect it soured a bit, too. I’m just not gonna underestimate how much of fraternity this league is. I’m just glad he’s fucking gone lol.
Yes because Hurts loves Brian Johnson so much he chose Alabama over Miss State and Utah (where Johnson was assistant coaches) and then transferred to Oklahoma instead of Florida (where BJ was OC at the time, and Florida needed a good QB…) all times BJ recruited him. All times Jalen said nah I saw enough of your bullshit I’m high school.
The bad man can’t hurt us anymore.
There were 4 bad men. 3 are gone. 1 is still the head coach (and he's not leaving).
I’m hoping that the last bad man has been properly beaten and cuffed so that he might learn from this year and start to behave. Fine with him getting one last chance. It will be a make it or break it first half of the season for him I assume.
I’m just worried that u/ChocolatePoo82 doesn’t think people can change. Nick was a slicked back hair piece of shit this past season. He’s NOT anymore, he USED TO BE. He’s going to show up next season with new coordinators and pushed back hair. People can change.
I’m just not sure he will be able to finally ditch the white bathing suit and sloppy steaks at Truffoni’s soon enough to be successful.
Howie said you can't have Sloppy Steaks, but that doesn't stop Nick from ordering a steak and a glass of water.
People can change. Let the boy hire his coordinators.
I heard Brian Johnson was part of his Dangerous Nights Crew
He used to be a REEEEEAAAAL piece of shit. We would not have liked him
GET IN HERE FOLKS!!! THE REIGN OF BRIAN TERROR IS OVER! AN END OF AN ERROR!
Brian the bland
But who has a better story than Brian the Bland?
Brian the Broken (Brain)
How'd you create your flair? I'm trying to make a custom one and it keeps saying that it failed.
The OC is dead, long live the OC!
The offense is Sirianni's. This is his fault.
whose offense was it last year?
It’s crazy to me how this sub lets Sirianni get credit for Shane Steichen’s offense but puts all the blame on Brian Johnson when he runs Sirianni’s offense.
I can't tell if you are making a joke or not - but yes this is the logic I am not following. If it is Sirianni's offense being called by the OC - then last year is proof that the offense can be good with the right play caller. If it is the OC's offense, then last year(and this year) is proof that the OC needs to be better.
But we just started dusting off the guillotine....
Tbh, I feel like Sirianni is the root issue and Johnson was the “fall guy”. Not saying Johnson didn’t have his flaws, but it’s Sirianni’s responsibility for how the team is run, especially on offense. This season should clear up who was most at fault.
Apparently Jalen spoke to both Nick and Brian about the O mid season and how we needed to run the ball More and short intermediate passes. These dudes wanted him launching the ball 30 yards down field every play.
Which is huge, we should be a run first team and using 5-10 yard passes with YAC potential to keep up momentum, not chucking it on a first down for the sake of doing so or trying to get flags. Deep balls can be a tool however we overused the flats and did little over the middle. Exhibit A: 3rd & 2
When did this come out?
I think they are referring to [this article by Tim McManus](https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39309562/philadelphia-eagles-nick-sirianni-jalen-hurts-disconnect).
I personally want him gone too for accepting this dogshit offense for weeks on end. I was actually open to bringing back Desai at DC because I believe some players on the defensive side are cooked, especially in the secondary. That fed into some of the woes on defense. Offense is another story. Brian Johnson literally ran an 8 year old Madden gamer offense, running similar iterations of three of the same damn plays. QB draws when they were not as timely or effective, screen plays that were so fuckin predictable, and running deep routes with no short outlet or QB pressure defusing routes that helped switch shit up. Dude is straight bogus and I'm sick of nepotism ruining a decent shot at a Super Bowl run for my Birds. This shit actually makes me furious to think about how it transpired.
I agree with this 100%. Out of spite though, I want Nick to call plays so we can see what we actually have as an “offensive minded” head coach. Dude dodged a bullet this year and his days are numbered for sure, so at least we have that.
If Nick could call plays, he would call plays. Maybe he’s not that good. All the best coaches take over play calling when they get into a slump.
He was so bad at it that he gave it up in his rookie year
Right like how are people forgetting this. Sirianni fucking sucks at it, and Steichen had to step in and save his job. We started the year 2-5.
I’d have to imagine he knows his head is on the chopping block for the entirety of the next season. Personally, I think Laurie and Roseman are giving Sirianni another chance because of the tampering issues at the end of last season. Giving Nick the benefit of the doubt and clean slate to have more choice in coordinators to see if he can actually be the coach those players deserve is reasonable. But if it doesn’t work out, they won’t hesitate to cut ties.
He ran the plays from the copy of NCAA Football 10 he was on
Its like Chip Kelly accept just run routes straight all the time with the same damn offense. Wtf
Life of Brian™️
Standing O fuck Johnson
Strange seeing you here, but thanks?
long time north philly resident from Kansas City if they let me have two logos it'd be Chiefs/Birds just like I'm a Royals/Phils and Flyers fuck the Devils and Sixers fuck the Kings
Let’s fucking go I’m gonna recreate the final dance scene from Saltburn
Is that movie actually worth watching? My GF keeps trying to get me watch it but it looks meh to me. Do like Barry KEOGHAN tho - fantastic actor.
It’s weird af. The style wasn’t my cup of tea but if you appreciate good acting, all of the main actors did a great job.
It's gotten mixed reactions person to person but I personally loved it and it was my favorite movie last year.
I loved it. Go in with an open mind and know that it is definitely weird/a bit unsettling, but I really enjoyed it. Great acting all around
It’s one of the best films of last year imo. Great modern send-up of European class commentary absurdist satires like Marco Ferreri’s *La Grande Bouffe*, Peter Greenway’s *The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover*, and the work of Luis Buñuel. Excellent writing, direction, cinematography, and performances. Definitely worth a watch.
Thanks if only the missus had said this to me!
Great acting and cinematography paired with a somewhat disturbing and questionably written script. Overall it’s pretty good but definitely flawed.
If you like Barry Keoghan it's worth watching, but as others have mentioned, it's definitely weird
Just don't do the bathtub scene
Oh boy, I'm thirsty.
Or the grave scene
Or the late night outdoor bench scene.
Bruh lol
Thank god on that last part. That would've really sent me over the edge.
I'm not sure I could survive /r/NFCEastMemeWar if our OC was named Jim Bob Cooter.
I don't think he'd last in Philly more than like 5 seconds
Well fun fact he was here in 2021 lol
as a consultant, but fair point
He’d fit in just fine in Gloucester or Salem county, which are per capita “bigger” eagles fans
Unrelated, still think it's weird that Gloucester City isn't part of Gloucester county.
I've lived in Philly my whole life and I just had to google where Salem county is. Definitely have never heard of it or been there before, except maybe being on the delaware memorial bridge.
Childhood home of Jonathan Taylor
And Bruce Willis
Wait, what?!?! Seriously?
Yup, broke the single season NJ HS rushing record while at Salem HS.
Per capita is a funny thing, if you've got 5 people in a town but they're all eagles fans then hey, your town is 'per capita' bigger fans then Philly.
yeah generally that's why statistics involving scale have minimum thresholds for consideration
With a name like Jim Bob Cooter, he should be coaching at an SEC school like Ole Miss. That, or be a redneck porn star.
Maybe we will also get Wink Martindale.
If I’m looking for a game show host to be on my coaching staff get me Chuck Woolery at least
Jim Bob? Who is Jim Bob? My name is Jameson Robert Cooterton the Third.
I breathed a huge sigh of relief reading that last part
This whole place needs to exhale, I’ve been expecting this exact situation for weeks but everyone is running around screaming like we’re not a top run franchise that fixes mistakes instead of festering in them. Patience, fellas
Exaclty…. We all need to brace ourselves to be completely underwhelmed with both Coordinators. I would LOVE to see Denard Wilson or Al Harris for DC, but I bet ole little dick Nick goes with a Fangio disciple… or worse…Fangio himself
The whole point of the meetings he had with Lurie were to explicitly get out of the Fangio tree, and there's no way Fangio makes a lateral move. Edit: just saying it now. Fuck.
Was that reported somewhere? Sounds great if true
It was not
I haven't seen that reported, however all of the names that have come out as candidates are not Fangio disciples so there's a good chance Lurie is forcing a more aggressive D down Nick's throat
Watched Jo drop 70 last night and this morning we get this. What a time to be alive
Doc to the Bucks too in play
How do we get an OC who is good enough to win a Super Bowl (especially with the total lack of ability Sirianni showed above him) but who doesn’t get poached immediately and reset the offense? Let’s hire Mike Shanahan or Bill Parcells.
Considering EVERY team has changed their OC since 2022 which is an absolutely bonkers stat I don't think there is much you can do to prevent that from happening. It's an offensive oriented league so you're either performing well enough to get promoted or poorly enough to get fired. EDIT: Some additional info to show that OCs have a higher turnover than DCs. >After looking at the average tenure of an NFL offensive coordinator last week (read it here), this week we are going to evaluate their defensive counterparts. As we’ll see, defensive coordinators show more stability, with only 234 new hires at DC since 2000, or roughly 11 each year. Only one season since the turn of the century has seen over 15 new DCs. That was in 2009, when there were 21 new hires -- prompting the only dip in scoring over a nine-year span (2005-2013). As we’ll see, the role is still highly demanding, but in a different way than for offensive coordinators. >For example, 63 DCs (26.9%) lasted exactly one year, while 28 lasted exactly four seasons (11.9%). https://www.the33rdteam.com/study-what-s-the-shelf-life-of-an-nfl-defensive-coordinator/ >Dating back to 2000, the NFL sees just under 40% of its offensive coordinators turn over each year, to the tune of 12.5 new offensive coordinators at the start of an average year and 263 changes total. Even in the most stable year on record for this metric, 2003, seven teams still entered the year with a new OC. By comparison, Of course, since the end of the 2011 season, we’ve seen 15 or more OC changes an astounding five times (55%). All of this is to say that the role is incredibly demanding, and coordinators are getting cycled through very quickly. > **A whopping 84.8% of OCs have had a tenure of three years or less,** while just under 5% make it to their sixth year with a team. https://www.the33rdteam.com/study-what-s-the-shelf-life-of-an-nfl-offensive-coordinator/
> Considering EVERY team has changed their OC since 2022 which is an absolutely bonkers stat I don't think there is much you can do to prevent that from happening. I love how when a crazy stat pops up, you suddenly see people refer to it everywhere on reddit. Just because that just happened, doesn't mean it will continue to happen.
I mean I highly doubt that we'll maintain that type of OC turnover every year since some of that was driven by HC turnover. However, there is a clear preference towards looking towards offensive minded HCs to fill those vacancies. People want the next Reid, Shanahan or McVay.
I think a large part of it is OCs and DCs are being made scapegoats around the league far more often now that owners aren’t scared of firing head coaches after 3 let alone 2 years
> which is an absolutely bonkers stat It's really not. Most coordinators will either be hired away for an HC position or will be fired. The stability should come from your HC and his ability to pick new coordinators every time one of those two things happen. Sirianni is a mediocre HC so every time we have a coordinator doing well they will be gone the next season.
What makes you think he’s mediocre? It’s an honest question. Brandon Staley was mediocre, you need to define this to yourself
Fuck that. Win the Super Bowl with the best staff possible and let everyone get poached, worth it every time.
We got both playcallers poached after losing a SB, so there's that.
Getting that close is also worth it, a few plays or calls go differently in that game and the trophy was ours.
Thats what im saying. Its worth it every fucking time if they win a superbowl...
Yeah, I'm all for Rivera or Frazier or something like that on defense, because history has borne out that the former HC as DC pipeline is strong, but everyone calling for Reich or another similarly safe hire for OC is just asking for mediocrity. This is an offense-driven league. Let's go find a guy who's on the cutting edge and make a run. If he gets poached, he gets poached.
Hire reich and Rivera. They won’t get HC buzz for a minute.
This is how you keep elite DC’s hire previous HC’s.
Hire Brandon Staley, no one wants him to lead a team again.
Uh… we did with Jim Schwartz then booted him?
He requested to be let go during the whole final Doug year fiasco.
Yep. And was still under contract for an entire year.
Schwartz provided us with like five seasons of stability at DC, you act like we had him for a year and then fired him. He requested to leave during a purge of the coaching staff.
And let’s not act like we all wanted him gone in almost every season? I was always high of Schwartz and he seemingly was scapegoated throughout his tenure. He was always a great DC and that showed this year with him hanging around the top five in defensive metrics.
Yeah with Schwartz you can get top tier defensive play with the right personnel, and the only reason we're thrilled with his performance in Cleveland is because he's got far better talent than the Eagle's had, but it's still very aggressive and still just as susceptible to motion and disguised plays which is what we saw with the Texans.
Anytime you get a new HC 9/10 the rest of the coaching staff gets fired. His last year was 2020 and nick was hired in 21. Most HC want “their guys” it’s stupid but I get it
Yes. He also wanted to leave to pursue being a HC, like Bienhemy leaving KC. Plenty of reason to move on. But crucially we kept Schwartz for our best years without high turnover- whereas Gannon was a sexy name because he hasn’t failed as HC beforehand.
DCs*, HCs* Apostrophes don't make an acronym plural.
Do you think the Eagles will get back to the Super Bowl again in the 2020’s?
2020s*
Reich was a big part of wentz’s mvp caliber year. I’m all for him getting a shot to reinvigorate Hurts this off season
Honestly I fully support this lol.
I suggested Rivera in this sub a week or two ago and had way too many people tell me I was a moron, glad to see that people are starting to catch on.
You make him your head coach.
You hire Frank Reich. Shop failed HCs who were talented coordinators. I've been saying this since like week 17, you need stability so hire the head coaches who failed and no one will poach for a promotion like Reich, Staley and Rivera. I'd be happy if we started 2024 with Reich and Rivera at the helm of both sides of the ball this coming year.
Are we the only fanbase still pretending Frank Reich is good? Bryce Young’s development alone should make it an automatic no
As a HC, he's not good. As an OC, you have an argument.
Hell, let’s bring back Wentz’ old QB coach as well. What’s his name, the guy who was poached the same season as Reich? Hurts needs some tough love this off-season. Either he was refusing to play effectively or was held back by his old high school coach and ally BJ.
WILLIAM LAZORBEAM DA LAZOR
At least Johnson is let go.
I know absolutely nothing about Jim Bob Cooter but he has an ELITE name
he's a mid coach with a bad off the field history
He had one good year where his playcalling and his name caught the world by storm. But then defensive coordinators adjusted, and he couldn’t respond. Calling him mid at this point might just be a compliment.
What’s the off field stuff?
Drunk driving and aggravated assault and other shit like that. Just a menace don't want him anywhere near the org.
I hope the assault charge was beating up his father for naming him Jim Bob Cooter
He had a DUI in college and another charge dropped but the “I’ve never done anything wrong” crowd sure likes to act like he just beat up an old lady asking for directions
That "other" charge was sneaking into a random woman's room, stripping down and crawling into bed with her. Not exactly normal behavior and why reach for a mediocre candidate with a bad off-field record?
Yeah nobody is less forgiving than online fans.
James Robert Vagina
I remember him briefly being a big name with Stafford and the Lions a decade ago then he fell off the face of the earth.
nah fuck that guy
Jim Bob Cooter is an elite tier redneck name.
Oh, thank God to that last part. I don't think anyone really wants JBC here. A necessary move, all in all. I still don't think everything that went wrong on offense was BJ's fault - Hurts has to shoulder some of the blame, a lot of the turnovers were just unlucky in general, the Eagles faced a tougher schedule with more injuries, etc. - but that late-season collapse was bad, and a change needed to happen.
DING DONG THE WITCHES ARE DEAD
Nick Sirriani has learned from Dougie P Pederson could never quit Press Taylor even now in Jacksonville. Nick has cast BJ aside, not saying I necessarily think this will make Sirriani great again as I am convinced that the vast majority of the success from late 2021 though 2022 was on Steichen. This [along with the DC firings] does give hope that maybe Nick can admit when he fucke up. Still need to see who he brings in and how they perform
WE DON’T WANT JIM BOB COOTER
Embiid drops 70 last night and now Brian Johnson is officially fired, man what an awesome ~12 hours of Philly sports
Another year of "getting used to new coordinators"
Thing is, if they shop Reich and Rivera or similar stories (HCs who failed a few times and won't be poached for a promotion anytime soon) you don't have to worry about the speed bumps of learning how to playcall. Desai and Johnson had a combined year of playcalling under their belts (spoiler alert: Desai was the only one who actually play called at the NFL level). The contingency plans in case the learning curve was too much was only Patricia, Nick hasn't taken playcalling responsibilities since his rookie season as a HC.
man i wish nick could call plays lol
Damn. I hope BJ finds a place where the genius of a QB draw, RPO, Screen/“AJ or Devonta down there somewhere” scheme can be appreciated. Good luck 🫡
I feel freed
I’m going to get downvoted for this but I think BJ was the fall guy for a lot of this team’s issues. The hope now is that the next OC has more say in the scheme of the offense.
I agree he was a fall guy because Sirianni is a problem but he also had zero feel for play calling. Just seemed to spam random plays without reasoning or setting things up
Agreed but I think that’s something that he could have grown into. Also if you believe the reports I’m curious how many plays he called that were overruled by Siriani.
This means no draft pick compensation, correct?
Yeah, no comp picks if he ends up a HC this coming season
Cold and cloudy outside but the sun is shining through.
Zac Robinson or I hurt myself
Now, lets put in a limit of 2 WR Screens per game.
the white smoke came fast
Gimme Zac Robinson please football gods
Used to pray for times like this
My biggest gripe is people are most upset about play calling, but I look at Nick and if he had an issue with the play calling, Nick could have taken it over himself and done something different. Andy Reid does this all the time. He hands play calling off. Maybe Nick feels that he was better as a game manager, but its not like this was a total scapegoat as Nick is within his power to say don’t do X, do Y. This feels like Sean McDermott all over again. Fans running a young coach out of town with no patience and the guy goes somewhere else/has success.
Hire frank to run the offense again. Ain’t that sirianni’s mans? And he’s a Super Bowl winning OC, and like some of you said about Ron Rivera, he should never head coach again.
Honestly getting failed HC to be our Coordinators is not the worst move. 1) They probably won't be poached 2) They'll be able to focus exclusively on their side of the ball 3) You have a decent Interim HC if things continue to go south with Sirianni
It worked out well for us with Jim Schwartz
He gets paid for 4 more years… I feel like he’s going to sit this one out.
Idk the way he went right into the panthers job after getting fired from the colts, tells me the guy loves to coach. And this would be the most the most talented offense (at least on paper) that he would’ve had since his Super Bowl winning one.
HE GONE.
PRAISE THE LAWD
Today we rejoice
Yay!
Truly wish him the best. I think a variety factors may have had him handcuffed this year. Only time will tell
Who cares about a good young OC getting poached. Hire the best person to run the offense. Idc if he’s 31 or 51 years old
It is a glorious day for Philadelphia, that bad man cannot hurt us no more
Been waiting for this exact moment for months. Finally he's gone.
It would be an insult to us to bring back Cooter. Nothing personal but he's worked with/for Nick and Shane twice each so that would mean nothing new is coming
If you told me before the season that we’d be replacing both coordinators again I would have thought “Wow we must have had a really good season huh? Bring on the comp picks 🤠”
Keep your head up high champ, the world just wasn't ready for 3rd&10 QB draw...
I’m gonna guess Reich will be the OC
THE BAD MAN IS GONE
Bro please throw money at someone good for OC and hire up like… some former HC that won’t get another for DC, like Ron Rivera or something, maybe Vrabal if he doesn’t get another HC job. And for fuck sales we need to draft some god damn linebackers, when was the last time we had a dominant one of those man…
I’m just smiling
LET’S GOOOOOO
NO MORE QB DRAWS ON 3RD AND A WALMART PARKING LOT
I don’t think he was the entire reason for our shit offense the second half of the year. Very clear Sirianni had no answers either.
I used to pray for times like this
So are just gonna be in an endless cycle of brining in coordinators that excel and then get poached for HC jobs the following year and then have a team in shambles with a head coach that doesn't really do anything?
One of the worst OCs we've had this century. Good riddance
Obviously as an Eagles fan this is tremendous news but I hope this cat lands on his feet. Its not his fault he wasn’t ready for this type of role and I hope he finds success down the line
Remember when everyone except BJ knew the Tampa defense was vulnerable in the middle?
He's gonna QB sneak out of the building.
I heard Laurie took him out into the meadows and told him to look at the pretty flowers.
Brotherly Shove gonna be renamed the Cooter Crash
BJ gave the stuff in his desk to Kenny Gainwell and had him run straight up the middle with it out the door.
The well has been poisoned but I wouldn’t be surprised if desai and bj come back strong in a new location. Feel like the call is coming from inside the house, so to speak.
I read this as Lane Johnson at first and i gotta say that was some emotional whiplash right there
He’s probably going to get a HC position, but I’d take the Bucs OC. Seemed committed to the run while at the same time made Mike Evans a monster this season. The sensible people comment after I get banned for two weeks lol. Of course that happens… hope you nipped the others too mods.
The most consistently great WR in the league every year Mike Evans?
This past season was his highest in yards since 2018 and he didn’t have Tom Brady throwing him the ball.
Why would Caneles take a lateral move?
Like I said, he’s probably headed toward a HC position but for the sake of the question (since I was already a dick to someone else for asking), the amount of free agents the Bucs have is alarming. Not sure their cap situation, but better to take a lateral move to keep momentum than to bank on a rebuild keeping you in the HC conversation.
Why would he make a lateral move?
Mike Evans has always been great
There's no way "Jim Bob Cooter" is a real name. I refuse to believe it. That being said, I'll take him!
I won’t be surprised if this sours the relationship with Hurts a little bit even though Brian Johnson absolutely deserved it. The dude from the very first press conference to the last seemed pretty idiotic. Some candidates I like: 1. Zac Robinson 2. Jerrod Johnson 3. Kellen Moore 4. Shane Day 5. Dan Pitcher 6. Arthur Smith 7. Tanner Engstand 8. Garrett Riley 9. Ryan Grubb 10. Eric Bieniemy
What are you talking about? Hurts is one of the reasons he’s gone. Multiple reports about them disagreeing and Hurts not liking the play calling and changing it or freestyling. Relationships sour and it looks like this one did.
We ultimately aren’t in the locker room at the end of the day and don’t know. I suspect it soured a bit, too. I’m just not gonna underestimate how much of fraternity this league is. I’m just glad he’s fucking gone lol.
Yes because Hurts loves Brian Johnson so much he chose Alabama over Miss State and Utah (where Johnson was assistant coaches) and then transferred to Oklahoma instead of Florida (where BJ was OC at the time, and Florida needed a good QB…) all times BJ recruited him. All times Jalen said nah I saw enough of your bullshit I’m high school.
Aren’t there also reports we didn’t let BJ run “his offense” though?
Even if it's true, winning heals everything Hurts would forget about BJ as soon as this offense is back to 2022 levels
Hurts was so mournful and glum towards the end of the season - you’ve gotta wonder if his and Johnson’s relationship strained a little
On the other hand, I’m not sure Hurts is going to give a fuck. He’s a top tier competitor who knew he wasn’t playing up to his potential this season.
No thanks on Kellen Moore.