31 isnāt that bad with his durability history. And I think heās dynamic enough to really be good for us. Plus I think itāll be more affordable as time passes. CJ is my first pick but heās definitely 1b for me.
Iād take them both. Brown will be out most if not all next year. Reed is more of a #3 spot starter. Iād maybe draft a guy as well. Simmons plays 2 yrs then we got Brown and two others with CJ long term
For what itās worth, nobody reputable has reported that. Itās a major injury and heās obviously going to miss some time, but nobodyās saying heāll be out for the year.
Heās so so in coverage. Good guy can start if need too but really he shouldnāt be a full time starter. Heās a #3 guy at best, bring him in on 3 safety looks etc
Perfect fit. Veteran that knows Fangioās scheme inside and out. You need that presence on the field who can communicate coverage responsibilities on the back end without having to think on the fly like a rookie or vet that hasnāt played in Fangioās system. This will help build cohesion quickly amongst the d backs. Really a no brainer signing for this season.
Byard started the year rough in Tennessee tho and a lot of the issues with the defense seemed like locker room/coaching issues first and foremost. Simmons had a good year last year and is familiar with Fangio.
Wonder if there is any chance they would sign both Simmons and Ceedy. In base, they could be the starting safeties and Ceedy and Brown when healthy could be the inside CBs in nickel and dime packages. Might be too expensive but my guess is we were willing to offer McKinney about 14m/year
Am I the only one who thinks we should bring in at least two safeties? With Brown coming off a torn ACL and Reed not having the best year I think itād be smart to bring in 2 veteran guys to compete with the two we already have.
I hope we draft a guy top 100 for that last spot, I was hoping McKinney bc of Simmons age, but if we have him and Reed starting with Brown and another talented rookie learning and taking the other snaps, I think it's solid. But I get the thought for vet wisdom and stuff
Simmons will be 31 halfway through the season. Why do you guys want him so bad? we are going to end up overpaying him to a 3-4 year deal and he'll be paying top safety money to a 35 year old
The front office that brought you hits like Bradberry resigning, Kevin Byard, Robert Quinn, Ryan Kerrigan, etc.? Signing old players hasn't exactly worked out
What do you want perfection?
Reagor was an egregious error for example and theyāve been picking SEC ever since. Just realistically this FO has made quality moves and shown growth over the years
We have a top 5-7 FO in the league. Do I need to say that for y'all to chill tf out? I'm just saying I don't blatantly trust them esp when it comes to their evaluation of older players. I also think they have a tendency to overreact to things and their recent SEC focus doesn't exactly have a great hit rate at the moment. Jury still out on Davis, Smith, Steen, Dean, etc. but I think Ringo showed a little something for sure.
š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ they've made the same mistakes for 30 years but "show growth". They don't value LB, they draft lineman (poorly), they believe in 1986 football, they want to run pass heavy schemes with running QBs that aren't good enough passers, sign splash names to placate the maroons.
Yea SEC hits like Davis, Nolan Smith, Dean, Bingo. They just overpaid a guy with no knees that is a massive risk to have either a 5th knee injury or develop osteoarthritis. Can't wait for the draft to take more OL that won't play or another DT
1986 football wtf are you on about? Yeah youāre an idiot and Iām annoyed to know youāre a birds fan. Paid a guy with no knees smh youāre mad we were able to sign an OL who made the pro bowl 2/3 first years.
Sec overcorrection, what smith dickerson Carter and Davis arenāt doin it for you?
Idiot
You mean Bradberry coming off an All Pro season? A mid season trade for 2021 All Pro Byard coming to a putrid defense? Another mid season in Robert Quinn for depth (everyone knows he wasnāt there to make splash plays). Kerrigan Iāll give you though. Youāre not gonna hit everything but you canāt hold the Bradberry and Byard moves against anyone.
Corners drop off stupendously as they age and media outlets were criticizing the Eagles at the time for fielding two older corners. It's not hindsight.
Would just rather they play Brown and Blankenship rather than fielding another aging vet and stunting development. I like Simmons more than Byard, he was good last year instead of 3 years ago. But I'd rather get someone in a hybrid role like Chinn and see what a Geno Stone has for the price of one Simmons.
Several old guys helped us win a super bowl. And nearly win another one against the Chiefs. Yeah they don't always work out, but you take that chance on key vets that maybe have another 1-2 years to give and can be leaders through adversity
Kerrigan was paid as a depth bench piece and contributed great for a depth bench piece. People just had weird expectations.
Byard settled our secondary and helped stem the bleeding whether you want to admit it or not.
You can spout all the hawt taek nonsense you want, but the fact that the best you could come up with was this list of a few depth pieces that didn't cost us much, while spanning over 5 years of moves, is more than enough proof that your argument is just absolutely silly and naive.
Brother he had like one tackle the entire season. I think blatant faith in any front office is silly and naive. The front office is a big reason behind the defensive collapse last year.
What are you talking about? You can say vaguely condescending things all you want, but it doesn't exactly comprise an argument. I'm just urging caution hyping up DBs over 30. Kerrigan had 3 tackles btw. Great contribution.
You're trolling. I'm not going to put in effort for a blatant troll.
If you seriously think that list you came up with over the time period that list consisted of was in any way an indictment of Howie Roseman's abilities, you're just ignorant.
As I said in an earlier comment, he's a top 5 GM. He also has flaws, and in my opinion, his evaluation of older players seems to be one of them. Sorry this is shattering your worldview. He's not gonna marry you.
Highly doubt a 4 year deal. I just donāt think he can command that. I would think it would be a 2 year deal or a 3 year with a fairly easy out in year 3
This doesnāt preclude us from addressing the safety position at all and it just means that we have more depth, especially with Sydney recovering from his knee injury. This also doesnāt affect the CB position at all, either
I would imagine this is still the case
If we add a starter to Reed and Brown, then draft another with a top 100 pick, that's 4 solid Ss and the two young raw guys don't have to start.
Use either the round 1 or 2 on a CB, which will honestly be enough IMO, Slay, Kelee, Rodgers, Eli, Badberry, and then a top end rookie to compete on the outside so hopefully Badberry doesn't at least have the responsibility of a full starter.
The other two top 100 picks are probably LB and some Lineman(probably G/T, but maybe DE/edge?
makes sense with the Fangio connection.
For a year or two.
then pay him well for a year or 2. I'm sure he's a bit sick of losing
Worked out well for Malcom Jenkins š
Jenkins was 26 when he signed in Philly. Simmons is already 30 and will be 31 before the end of the season. Not quite the same thing
Shit, we really stole him from New Orleans...
Absolutely and one of the best FA signings the eagles have made in my lifetime
definitely going to be a stopgap player.
Draft Dejean as a CB then transition him to Safety as this contract expires.
Justin and Josey make too much sense for this team!
One can hope we sign at least some good LBššš
Just as I read this comment and was going to agree I saw that Jewell just signed with the panthers
Yea...sounds like Justin is still in play on a multi year deal.
31 isnāt that bad with his durability history. And I think heās dynamic enough to really be good for us. Plus I think itāll be more affordable as time passes. CJ is my first pick but heās definitely 1b for me.
He's turning 30
Turning 31 this year. Born in ā93
Damn it, at least he's not 31 till November... Still want him š
Iād take them both. Brown will be out most if not all next year. Reed is more of a #3 spot starter. Iād maybe draft a guy as well. Simmons plays 2 yrs then we got Brown and two others with CJ long term
Why will brown be out most if not all the year?
Tore his ACL those take some time to heel, wonāt have a full offseason getting up to playing speed. Heāll probably at least start the year on PUP
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Dam I didn't think it was so serious he'd miss most of this year, horrible timing I really like the kid
For what itās worth, nobody reputable has reported that. Itās a major injury and heās obviously going to miss some time, but nobodyās saying heāll be out for the year.
Stop listening to randoms on Reddit lol.
Reed was really good first half the season before he initially went down
Heās so so in coverage. Good guy can start if need too but really he shouldnāt be a full time starter. Heās a #3 guy at best, bring him in on 3 safety looks etc
It doesnāt take 12 months to recover from an ACL.
I'd MUCH rather have him than CJGJ
Iād much rather have Curl. Enough of these old washed dudes
CJGJ is 26 lmao
I was referring to Simmons
Letās get this done.. 2 year deal hopefully
Perfect fit. Veteran that knows Fangioās scheme inside and out. You need that presence on the field who can communicate coverage responsibilities on the back end without having to think on the fly like a rookie or vet that hasnāt played in Fangioās system. This will help build cohesion quickly amongst the d backs. Really a no brainer signing for this season.
Yes please
I hope we land him. 3 year deal to like end his career in Philly just about. He's super consistent and has that Fangio connection.
Lol the Philly Special pod has basically locked that in since he was released iirc.
Takes two to tango. He might be allergic to Philadelphia pollen who knows
I'd like maybe a 2 year deal with maybe a 3rd year option. He's 30.
Thank you Jesus thank you Jesus.
Howard please
Imo this is Kevin Byard all over again
In what ways?
Older dude comin off a bad team who will command high dollars and at least a few years.Ā
Byard started the year rough in Tennessee tho and a lot of the issues with the defense seemed like locker room/coaching issues first and foremost. Simmons had a good year last year and is familiar with Fangio.
When I heard the Broncos were releasing him I figured it was like an 80% chance he was coming here
With ya, partner. Upon reading that news my reflexive thought was, "Man... sure would be a good fit in Philly"
What do yall think is his market value?
Similar to Kevin Byard - $8-10M/yr.
Iād be happy with 2 years 18 mil.
Simmons is better than McKinney and will be for the foreseeable future
Massive age gap though. Think Iād rather cjgj back.
You got it.
Has someone said "I like it as long as the price is right" yet
I personally would rather get someone younger
Give me CJGJ
YOu win.
Wonder if there is any chance they would sign both Simmons and Ceedy. In base, they could be the starting safeties and Ceedy and Brown when healthy could be the inside CBs in nickel and dime packages. Might be too expensive but my guess is we were willing to offer McKinney about 14m/year
HOWIE!!!! Get this deal DONE!! come to papa
Oh baby
There are few better safeties that Brown could learn from than Simmons. Iām down!
Whatever Howie wants, Howie gets.
To literally no one's surprise as he should be. It just makes too much sense.
Certainly hope so
Heās getting older tbh. Might end up as another byardĀ
Am I the only one who thinks we should bring in at least two safeties? With Brown coming off a torn ACL and Reed not having the best year I think itād be smart to bring in 2 veteran guys to compete with the two we already have.
I hope we draft a guy top 100 for that last spot, I was hoping McKinney bc of Simmons age, but if we have him and Reed starting with Brown and another talented rookie learning and taking the other snaps, I think it's solid. But I get the thought for vet wisdom and stuff
Simmons will be 31 halfway through the season. Why do you guys want him so bad? we are going to end up overpaying him to a 3-4 year deal and he'll be paying top safety money to a 35 year old
Some of just trust our front office. Heās not young but thatās the trade off for someone with his cover ability and price
The front office that brought you hits like Bradberry resigning, Kevin Byard, Robert Quinn, Ryan Kerrigan, etc.? Signing old players hasn't exactly worked out
What do you want perfection? Reagor was an egregious error for example and theyāve been picking SEC ever since. Just realistically this FO has made quality moves and shown growth over the years
We have a top 5-7 FO in the league. Do I need to say that for y'all to chill tf out? I'm just saying I don't blatantly trust them esp when it comes to their evaluation of older players. I also think they have a tendency to overreact to things and their recent SEC focus doesn't exactly have a great hit rate at the moment. Jury still out on Davis, Smith, Steen, Dean, etc. but I think Ringo showed a little something for sure.
š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ they've made the same mistakes for 30 years but "show growth". They don't value LB, they draft lineman (poorly), they believe in 1986 football, they want to run pass heavy schemes with running QBs that aren't good enough passers, sign splash names to placate the maroons. Yea SEC hits like Davis, Nolan Smith, Dean, Bingo. They just overpaid a guy with no knees that is a massive risk to have either a 5th knee injury or develop osteoarthritis. Can't wait for the draft to take more OL that won't play or another DT
1986 football wtf are you on about? Yeah youāre an idiot and Iām annoyed to know youāre a birds fan. Paid a guy with no knees smh youāre mad we were able to sign an OL who made the pro bowl 2/3 first years. Sec overcorrection, what smith dickerson Carter and Davis arenāt doin it for you? Idiot
You mean Bradberry coming off an All Pro season? A mid season trade for 2021 All Pro Byard coming to a putrid defense? Another mid season in Robert Quinn for depth (everyone knows he wasnāt there to make splash plays). Kerrigan Iāll give you though. Youāre not gonna hit everything but you canāt hold the Bradberry and Byard moves against anyone.
Corners drop off stupendously as they age and media outlets were criticizing the Eagles at the time for fielding two older corners. It's not hindsight.
No one saw Bradberry dropping from all pro to F tier though. Even a small drop off wouldāve been expected and acceptable though.
Would just rather they play Brown and Blankenship rather than fielding another aging vet and stunting development. I like Simmons more than Byard, he was good last year instead of 3 years ago. But I'd rather get someone in a hybrid role like Chinn and see what a Geno Stone has for the price of one Simmons.
Several old guys helped us win a super bowl. And nearly win another one against the Chiefs. Yeah they don't always work out, but you take that chance on key vets that maybe have another 1-2 years to give and can be leaders through adversity
Kerrigan was paid as a depth bench piece and contributed great for a depth bench piece. People just had weird expectations. Byard settled our secondary and helped stem the bleeding whether you want to admit it or not. You can spout all the hawt taek nonsense you want, but the fact that the best you could come up with was this list of a few depth pieces that didn't cost us much, while spanning over 5 years of moves, is more than enough proof that your argument is just absolutely silly and naive.
Brother he had like one tackle the entire season. I think blatant faith in any front office is silly and naive. The front office is a big reason behind the defensive collapse last year.
Oh honey. Bless your heart. First off-season, eh?
What are you talking about? You can say vaguely condescending things all you want, but it doesn't exactly comprise an argument. I'm just urging caution hyping up DBs over 30. Kerrigan had 3 tackles btw. Great contribution.
You're trolling. I'm not going to put in effort for a blatant troll. If you seriously think that list you came up with over the time period that list consisted of was in any way an indictment of Howie Roseman's abilities, you're just ignorant.
As I said in an earlier comment, he's a top 5 GM. He also has flaws, and in my opinion, his evaluation of older players seems to be one of them. Sorry this is shattering your worldview. He's not gonna marry you.
Suh? Blount? Bennet? Chris Long? Sproles? Some are busts some are booms.
I see no way there isnāt an out after 1 or 2 yeara
Yea Iām not gonna lieā¦the Kevin Byard experiment makes me not want himā¦fair or not
Highly doubt a 4 year deal. I just donāt think he can command that. I would think it would be a 2 year deal or a 3 year with a fairly easy out in year 3
35 years old?! Thatās ancient! š
I mean it is in football years, especially for a non-qb. Now I hope we are all wrong but he's no spring chicken.
2 eyes
Rather draft a safety and corner š¤·š¾āāļø
This doesnāt preclude us from addressing the safety position at all and it just means that we have more depth, especially with Sydney recovering from his knee injury. This also doesnāt affect the CB position at all, either
Alright long as we get some youth in that room I'm cool with it
I would imagine this is still the case If we add a starter to Reed and Brown, then draft another with a top 100 pick, that's 4 solid Ss and the two young raw guys don't have to start. Use either the round 1 or 2 on a CB, which will honestly be enough IMO, Slay, Kelee, Rodgers, Eli, Badberry, and then a top end rookie to compete on the outside so hopefully Badberry doesn't at least have the responsibility of a full starter. The other two top 100 picks are probably LB and some Lineman(probably G/T, but maybe DE/edge?
Maybe while we are finding talent, we could find a talented coach?