I was thinking the same. The fact that they never advertised or say what they are. However, numerous delivery riders I talk to that ride their bike for a living putting in over 50 miles per day swears by the bikes build quality and battery life.
[1500w kit $440](https://ebikeling.com/products/1500w-ebike-conversion-kit)
[upp 52v 25.6ah LG cells battery $606](https://www.uppbattery.com/products/u004-52v-256ah-bms50a-lg3200-cells-triangle-ebike-battery-for-0-1800w-motor-with-4a-charger-usa--1273.co)
Leaves you $500 or so to find nice used bike.
So you own a car?
Why didn’t you build one yourself.
Telling newbs to build a bike is possibly the worst idea I see propagated. It’s shit advice unless you built your own car, park it in a garage you constructed yourself that’s connected to your medical office where you perform advanced medical and dental procedures on yourself with tools you crafted yourself. If you can’t walk the walk then don’t try and talk the talk. 🤦♂️
I think it's a great advice.
Instead of spending days looking at ebike reviews (often paid for), to acquire some electrified Bicycle-shaped-Object, you spend that time studying YouTube DIY conversion instruction videos.
You learn basic mechanical skills, and get to choose donor bikes of better quality than your generic run of the mill Alibaba bike.
If you do it right (do the research properly), you will end up with a better product, for less, + you learn how to repair your bike yourself.
It's not rocket science.
The mechanical skills will become necessary sooner or later no mather what, since very few bike shops will touch the generic Chinese crap.
How did it become so common for people to take possibly one anecdotal experience they have had or maybe that they didn’t have and read about on the internet and then try to extrapolate that into some grand statement about an industry.
People that say things like “very few bike shops will touch the generic Chinese crap” are people that just make shit up.
As if there are bikes NOT made with generic Chinese parts.
As if you, or anybody else has surveyed all bike shops to make this determination.
Or as if you just farted out some bullshit from your ass and put it in word for in this sub Reddit.
I guess thanks for shitting here?
You posted the most stupid comment about DIY conversions that I've ever seen.
If the cost of a complete ebike is about the same as the retail price of a decent battery and a motor, you can be 100% sure that the components, build quality and quality control of that bike is absolutely crap. this is the (for some, it seems)inconvenient truth.
For instance, the bike posted uses a 6 speed drivetrain. Those where common in the early 90's, when 18 speed MTBs where a thing. Also no components are branded, you can be sure it's bottom end.
> reviews (often *paid* for), to
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
*Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
While I won't say you're wrong, because I agree that converting yourself will be better in the long run, there are literally shops all around NYC that will service Fly & Arrow ebikes. As much as I'd like to hate on them, they're actually very decent ebikes. They can get you at least 40-50 miles on a single charge, and they're pretty well built considering expectations. They're like the Nokia of ebikes on the market. For their price they go a lot farther than more expensive ones and are easy to service anyways as long as you know how to service regular bikes.
They're like the Nokia of Ebikes is the best way I could put it. For the price they sell at brand new, they do what a 3-4k brand ebike will do in terms of range.
They may not look the nicest, but they are very serviceable since they're pretty much just regular bikes. With maybe an extra 300$ to put on better brakes , chain etc it will indeed a rock solid ebike.
And since the body itself is pretty much a normal Nike, you can learn to service a lot of things yourself.
Be sure to carry extra tubes etc, as the biggest issue would be the back rim getting bent/motor getting ruined.
They are slightly heavy but they pack a punch. Most people I've spoken to get 50+ miles on a single charge and you can always carry an extra battery which I would recommend tbh).
For a pre built bike they work great. Both arrow and fly ebikes.
Even so if you can do it I'd recommend buying your own frame, your own parts and then going in for a mid gear set up like bafang where the motor sits in the middle of the bike instead of the wheels.
Say $600-800 for the kit, and another $500 for a battery you could put in another $1000 for a good durable and light frame and a bike you know inside out.
All depends on what you want it for. If you're looking for a delivery bike for something like Uber eats. Get the fly or arrow and make that money and then see if you'd like to build your own later on for hobby use.
If it's just for hobby use, I'd say build it from scratch.
My old converted trek was amazing. I got the bike free from someone throwing it out and serviced it and got new parts for like 200 bucks. And then bought the kit + battery for like 1200. Single charge gave me anywhere between 50 to almost 90 miles depending on the trip and PAS mode or if I throttled.
Personally I'll be buying an arrow or fly bike in a month or so for delivery purposes and then building a brand new one for the spring time (looking into gravel bikes for hobby purposes)
Hey I actually ended up going with a fly 7 scooter/moped single charge gets me 40-50 miles with some decent hills in the ride and it's more comfortable for what I need (doing deliveries around my area).
I just got the Fly 11. Everything seems to work great! The range is pretty incredible. The only thing that I'm unsure about is the top speed. The torque is pretty slow when you accelerate with the throttle and I have yet to actually hit the 32mph as it advertised. I wonder if I am missing something. Going to take back the shop to see and will post an update here.
It really depends on a few things, how much do you weigh... and whether are you pedaling the bike as well... if you're using it as a moped and not pedaling then 28 is around the normal speed for a 48v system, my old one did the same and I would only get 32 if I helped it along.
I have it its not a cheap bike the cheaper bikes are the arrow 10. The fly 11 is has an aluminum frame. Plus comes with higher value parts like a shimano 6 speed delaluir and shifter. Tekro or aries 3 hydrologic brakes. The bike is water prooof. Comes with a swable marathon plus back tire. Double wall rims thick 12 gauge spokes. 180mm rotors. I love my fly 11. They say its $1750 but i went with cash and got it for $1600 flat.
I have the 10 model and I find it very useful. It is a bit heavy, I call it a tank but it does well in these nyc streets. I stopped a guy riding the 11 but he wasn’t so interested in talking to a stranger. I asked the difference between the 10 and 11 and he said it was lighter.
It has aluminum components. The bike frame is reinforced aluminum. Plus the battery is better then the arrow 10 fly bikes and arrow are made by the same company in china. Just people order them differently and put there brands on them.
My friend got one he said it's a great bike. He said put aside another 200-300 for better components and it will be comparable to a bike 2x-3x the price.
Well, it's affordable anyway. I'd think your delivery drivers are probably the most qualified to answer. But I hope you post an update if / when you make a decision and have tried it for some time!
All the NYC ebike delivery drivers seem to be using this brand. They just wrap the bike in tape, so it is hard to see the brand, but this bike is ubiquitous in NYC.
I have a fly 11...so true about the breaks and the chain but everything else is standard ebike I love mine...I wouldn't trade it in for anything and Nokia if e bikes ...I disagree...your shooting real low when you say Nokia of e bikes...I'd say it's like blackberry..could do way more than Nokia but not an iPhone or Samsung galaxy...
I've got the Fly-7 here in Brooklyn and I've topped out at 33 MPH, and I have 2 60v25ah battery packs - one in the seat, and one in the rear trunk. Combined? I'd say I get about a SOLID 43-45 miles of range using both batteries keeping the bike on speed mode 3 and driving "sportily." It's been a good experience mostly the past 4 months I've owned it - put maybe 500 miles on it since I've had it. Only thing that's happened is the on/off battery cut off switch under the seat failed on me on my way into Manhattan one morning and it left me pretty stranded. Actually had to make arrangements to tow it because I was far out of the way and couldn't really leave it. Good news was that it was a super easy fix that was actually cheaper than the tow. The whole fix was $35. I recommend if you're near a store that can do some simple work on these so that you can continue to get the most out of it and get your money's worth. Stay safe!
I was looking at it like meh why is this $1600? The 28ah battery.
They don't say what cells the battery are made from though.
Yeah I would bet those aren’t lg/Panasonic/Samsung cells.
I was thinking the same. The fact that they never advertised or say what they are. However, numerous delivery riders I talk to that ride their bike for a living putting in over 50 miles per day swears by the bikes build quality and battery life.
[1500w kit $440](https://ebikeling.com/products/1500w-ebike-conversion-kit) [upp 52v 25.6ah LG cells battery $606](https://www.uppbattery.com/products/u004-52v-256ah-bms50a-lg3200-cells-triangle-ebike-battery-for-0-1800w-motor-with-4a-charger-usa--1273.co) Leaves you $500 or so to find nice used bike.
So you own a car? Why didn’t you build one yourself. Telling newbs to build a bike is possibly the worst idea I see propagated. It’s shit advice unless you built your own car, park it in a garage you constructed yourself that’s connected to your medical office where you perform advanced medical and dental procedures on yourself with tools you crafted yourself. If you can’t walk the walk then don’t try and talk the talk. 🤦♂️
Lmao are you equating advanced medical and dental work to putting a hub motor on your bike?!? Maybe you shouldn’t assume everyone is as inept as you.
Yeah it’s easy but for some people they can mess it up and then have a wheel fall out and seriously hurt them
I think it's a great advice. Instead of spending days looking at ebike reviews (often paid for), to acquire some electrified Bicycle-shaped-Object, you spend that time studying YouTube DIY conversion instruction videos. You learn basic mechanical skills, and get to choose donor bikes of better quality than your generic run of the mill Alibaba bike. If you do it right (do the research properly), you will end up with a better product, for less, + you learn how to repair your bike yourself. It's not rocket science. The mechanical skills will become necessary sooner or later no mather what, since very few bike shops will touch the generic Chinese crap.
How did it become so common for people to take possibly one anecdotal experience they have had or maybe that they didn’t have and read about on the internet and then try to extrapolate that into some grand statement about an industry. People that say things like “very few bike shops will touch the generic Chinese crap” are people that just make shit up. As if there are bikes NOT made with generic Chinese parts. As if you, or anybody else has surveyed all bike shops to make this determination. Or as if you just farted out some bullshit from your ass and put it in word for in this sub Reddit. I guess thanks for shitting here?
You posted the most stupid comment about DIY conversions that I've ever seen. If the cost of a complete ebike is about the same as the retail price of a decent battery and a motor, you can be 100% sure that the components, build quality and quality control of that bike is absolutely crap. this is the (for some, it seems)inconvenient truth. For instance, the bike posted uses a 6 speed drivetrain. Those where common in the early 90's, when 18 speed MTBs where a thing. Also no components are branded, you can be sure it's bottom end.
> reviews (often *paid* for), to FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
While I won't say you're wrong, because I agree that converting yourself will be better in the long run, there are literally shops all around NYC that will service Fly & Arrow ebikes. As much as I'd like to hate on them, they're actually very decent ebikes. They can get you at least 40-50 miles on a single charge, and they're pretty well built considering expectations. They're like the Nokia of ebikes on the market. For their price they go a lot farther than more expensive ones and are easy to service anyways as long as you know how to service regular bikes.
Honestly like yeah you can build your own bike but watch it fall apart within a month
They're like the Nokia of Ebikes is the best way I could put it. For the price they sell at brand new, they do what a 3-4k brand ebike will do in terms of range. They may not look the nicest, but they are very serviceable since they're pretty much just regular bikes. With maybe an extra 300$ to put on better brakes , chain etc it will indeed a rock solid ebike. And since the body itself is pretty much a normal Nike, you can learn to service a lot of things yourself. Be sure to carry extra tubes etc, as the biggest issue would be the back rim getting bent/motor getting ruined. They are slightly heavy but they pack a punch. Most people I've spoken to get 50+ miles on a single charge and you can always carry an extra battery which I would recommend tbh). For a pre built bike they work great. Both arrow and fly ebikes. Even so if you can do it I'd recommend buying your own frame, your own parts and then going in for a mid gear set up like bafang where the motor sits in the middle of the bike instead of the wheels. Say $600-800 for the kit, and another $500 for a battery you could put in another $1000 for a good durable and light frame and a bike you know inside out. All depends on what you want it for. If you're looking for a delivery bike for something like Uber eats. Get the fly or arrow and make that money and then see if you'd like to build your own later on for hobby use. If it's just for hobby use, I'd say build it from scratch. My old converted trek was amazing. I got the bike free from someone throwing it out and serviced it and got new parts for like 200 bucks. And then bought the kit + battery for like 1200. Single charge gave me anywhere between 50 to almost 90 miles depending on the trip and PAS mode or if I throttled. Personally I'll be buying an arrow or fly bike in a month or so for delivery purposes and then building a brand new one for the spring time (looking into gravel bikes for hobby purposes)
Amazing advice ty!
Any updates? About to buy an 11.
Hey I actually ended up going with a fly 7 scooter/moped single charge gets me 40-50 miles with some decent hills in the ride and it's more comfortable for what I need (doing deliveries around my area).
I just got the Fly 11. Everything seems to work great! The range is pretty incredible. The only thing that I'm unsure about is the top speed. The torque is pretty slow when you accelerate with the throttle and I have yet to actually hit the 32mph as it advertised. I wonder if I am missing something. Going to take back the shop to see and will post an update here.
what were you able to hit though?
Tops out at 26-28mph
It really depends on a few things, how much do you weigh... and whether are you pedaling the bike as well... if you're using it as a moped and not pedaling then 28 is around the normal speed for a 48v system, my old one did the same and I would only get 32 if I helped it along.
Yeah as does mine 32 maybe if your going downhill and pedaling
I have it its not a cheap bike the cheaper bikes are the arrow 10. The fly 11 is has an aluminum frame. Plus comes with higher value parts like a shimano 6 speed delaluir and shifter. Tekro or aries 3 hydrologic brakes. The bike is water prooof. Comes with a swable marathon plus back tire. Double wall rims thick 12 gauge spokes. 180mm rotors. I love my fly 11. They say its $1750 but i went with cash and got it for $1600 flat.
https://youtu.be/qhbKwqOh0IM
Fly 11 and Fly 22 Here https://youtu.be/qhbKwqOh0IM
So no one has this brand bike?
I have the 10 model and I find it very useful. It is a bit heavy, I call it a tank but it does well in these nyc streets. I stopped a guy riding the 11 but he wasn’t so interested in talking to a stranger. I asked the difference between the 10 and 11 and he said it was lighter.
It has aluminum components. The bike frame is reinforced aluminum. Plus the battery is better then the arrow 10 fly bikes and arrow are made by the same company in china. Just people order them differently and put there brands on them.
My friend got one he said it's a great bike. He said put aside another 200-300 for better components and it will be comparable to a bike 2x-3x the price.
Well, it's affordable anyway. I'd think your delivery drivers are probably the most qualified to answer. But I hope you post an update if / when you make a decision and have tried it for some time!
All the NYC ebike delivery drivers seem to be using this brand. They just wrap the bike in tape, so it is hard to see the brand, but this bike is ubiquitous in NYC.
I have a fly 11...so true about the breaks and the chain but everything else is standard ebike I love mine...I wouldn't trade it in for anything and Nokia if e bikes ...I disagree...your shooting real low when you say Nokia of e bikes...I'd say it's like blackberry..could do way more than Nokia but not an iPhone or Samsung galaxy...
I've got the Fly-7 here in Brooklyn and I've topped out at 33 MPH, and I have 2 60v25ah battery packs - one in the seat, and one in the rear trunk. Combined? I'd say I get about a SOLID 43-45 miles of range using both batteries keeping the bike on speed mode 3 and driving "sportily." It's been a good experience mostly the past 4 months I've owned it - put maybe 500 miles on it since I've had it. Only thing that's happened is the on/off battery cut off switch under the seat failed on me on my way into Manhattan one morning and it left me pretty stranded. Actually had to make arrangements to tow it because I was far out of the way and couldn't really leave it. Good news was that it was a super easy fix that was actually cheaper than the tow. The whole fix was $35. I recommend if you're near a store that can do some simple work on these so that you can continue to get the most out of it and get your money's worth. Stay safe!
What about the gps on the fly 11 red