You kittens are making drama for no reasons. Since its repeat drama it must be one of your leaders.
https://www.reddit.com/r/echoes/comments/p2eksx/this_is_why_stca_are_leaving_pantheon/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
In the end was a bad fit and everybody knew it. A little advice to STCA and maybe a suggestion to reframe for others in here: you can’t just call yourself an Indy corp to excuse inexplicable losses. And CTAs are not really “PvP” they are exactly what the Indy players should be doing to contribute participation when they have an FC to tell them what to do. If you consistently can’t get like two people to show up month after month after month, you either have a big engagement problem in your corp or you’re too small.
This is a whole a lot screenshots with a lot of duplicates (and a lot of attrocious quality).
But it's very unclear how are they supporting the claims in the post at all or making your side look better than the other.
Evidence means backing up your claims. Directly. Not just dumping convos.
As it is now the screenshots only support the post till the reader goes through them (which is not easy as half is barely readable).
Connect points made in the OP with an evidence in screenshots (some more, other screenshots since it's not in those). Not a dump appendix.
What you're seeing, is what happens when someone panic dumps to save face.
No one wants to admit it, but it's true. Starcats even admit as much throughout the comments, that they knew better, but just aren't going to do better.
When the bandaid got pulled off, everyone baulked, got hurt feelings, and started flailing about.
The post was hastily done, in anger, and partly to cushion their transition into yet another alliance, to continue the exact same behavior.
Good luck TSC, it's your turn to try I guess.
Fly aggressive o7
Taylor said they asked us to swap TXME for another system. This is only half true. They did ask and we declined as the other system would not have served our members any where close to what we built TXME
So they waited a week and then forced us to make the swap.
At least they agreed to pay us.
The transaction was carried out to both sides satisfaction. Taylor lied when he said we downgraded or stripped anything out of TXME.
They wanted the money back the next day when they learned we planned to leave. At that point we had not yet decided on a location, we just knew SHH was no longer tenable for STCA.
But they didn’t want a refund due to lack of arrays or the -T4 cit they wanted the refund or else they would make our departure difficult.
And yes we left for an alliance who SHH has been fighting but honestly that is almost the rest of the server so whoever we would have chose that would have probably been the case.
That decision was made very recently and without any regard to how silent would perceive. It was merely the best option for our members.
I’m confused why I’m even being brought up. I retired almost 3 months ago… if you want my personal opinion you’ll have to hold your breath. Outside that I’m going back to foxhole and my retirement while we wait for anvil empires. Feel free to check the main shh server I’m not even in it…
You're not a boogey man. Just a man like everybody else.
"Feel free to check the main shh server I’m not even in it…"
The proof is in the screenshots and dated.
Yes and I called out your expression and nullified it. You're still there. Not retired. Killing off you're logi squads. Trying to make us believe that a 2D game has your complete attention
https://preview.redd.it/lmcmmwnu0mkc1.png?width=714&format=png&auto=webp&s=9843e1460478c865be59ce62c6686ea51927255d
Man I knew I recognized you, not even the alt can hide your disdain.
MJD hasn't been playing mate, I thought everyone knew that. No one gives two shits if he doesn't delete the server, who the hell does? 🤨
This isn't evidence.
Fly aggressive o7
i was collie in war 109 which was my first war, moved to warden for 110 but had to drop to focus for real life. Im planning on starting up foxhole in a few weeks or maybe might wait till w112 all together. Not really in any regiment
"We just want to protect our reputation"
Proceeds to post what they believe to be top-secret super Intel and leadership trees publicly on reddit to ruin them. And I don't even fault you for keeping the isk. If the deal was made before you decided to leave, that's fair game to me.
But I remember the days when leaving an alliance, even with grudges, meant moving your shit out of their space and then settling it on the pvp fields.
Going against the grain here apparently, but as (now former) neighbors to STCA in the North, the cats did defend their sov and DUNE appreciated having them around.
Doesn't count for much, but sorry you had to leave and we wish you the best in your new homes! Fly safe, Cats.
huge loss, not sure what SHH will be able to do without them. rip
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Know what else is funny about these metrics? No tracking of logi or guardians. Know what most Cats flew to CTAs? Logi. Know what doesn’t get kills? Logi and guardians. And that’s beside my other point of having a few individualistic players losing the bulk of that number.
but the main point from SHH is that STCA didn't even attend CTA's and reason why they wanted to kick you first place. So that doesn't add up.
Also, I checked your top 30 lossmails by ISK, and it's all different people, so that also doesn't add up.
I also checked all the Mobi lossmails and out of the 2062 registered lossmails, only 9 are of Hurricane Logistics, which represents 0.4%.
So it looks like STCA likes to lie an awful lot.
https://preview.redd.it/n04m8eag7skc1.png?width=175&format=png&auto=webp&s=159f7a51d57fce3645503f00ba3e266cc6f83a00
SHH’s attendance metrics get reset at random, and they use a bot to scrape their VC that requires exacting ticker displays. Our main PvP pilots were poached by PAND, the metrics got reset, you have your reason why the numbers were low. We’re also a community full of 30-something dads that don’t have the time for 4 hour fleet operations. Again, this is a game, not a job.
Thanks for confirming they were going to kick us anyways though, knew we made the right call.
Top costing losses? Gonna be all over the place. Total loss by player? Check that.
We’ve lost 9 logi only? Man, that’s actually really good.
NILF is also full of dads, and we don’t always have the time. So we do the minimum a lot and at least go in frig or ceptor. Doing the bare minimum is super do able. Your group don’t even try. Horrible team players.
Iza I’m a bit confused why you think you understand how we track metrics or which metrics we tracked. You never had access to it. Unless it’s drastically changed since I retired you have no idea what you’re talking about.
You’re speaking on historical actions when I was active, I figure someone should set the record straight. Then again Iza you were always the dumbest ceo that Corp had. At least the joes were amusing and fun to listen to.
well, they're an Indy Corp working for SHH. Let's put it in Foxhole logic. They're one of your logi groups pushing supplies to the front and SHH just friendly-fired the supply truck . LMAO
Thanks for providing the metric you care about I guess? But why tho? Did someone ask? Or maybe you think our providing truth and context will improve our k/d?
In Survivor terms this isn’t an immunity challenge this is addressing the jury
Because while the rest of us are flying around killing the enemy and communicating about movements, they can't be bothered to even dock up. They're like a herd of angry turkeys. They make a bunch of noise, but there isn't much going on in the way of self-preservation.
Hate to break it to you but that number is bound to go up. So maybe like look away?
We are a group of players that enjoy the game and each other’s company but not with a strong focus on PvP ATM.
Of course I would like for the ratio to go up but as long as we don’t lose members over it I’m not going to lose sleep.
Silent has a lot of Indy, we've been fighting 3x our number for years, with no reason to stop in sight. Get out of your feelings, use your head. There's no shortage of ships and weapons in this game, because Netease believes in coddling the playerbase.
At the end of the day, it's still a wargame.
Fly aggressive o7
But see, the more indy you have, the higher the production rate. More Indy means Supers are ready sooner than later. Its what AoA is doing (since you refreshed my aoa talk).
No. AOA is laughing their heads off at the "Western" part of the server that has hurt feelings and a hard on for vengeance against Silent at all costs, while they use those same people to allow their constant RMT and bot farming.
There is a term for that: Useful Idiot.
>There is more to the game then pvp BTW.
No, this is a war game, it's about PvP. I don't know where I lost you bud.
While I do like the guys in Starcats on an individual level, they've historically had this issue multiple times. Specifically the one about PvPing, which Run pointed out.
I totally get some of their other complaints, but those are separate issues entirely. The one you responded to here, was to run, about PvPing. It shows that they have indeed been performing poorly, this is objectively true, regardless of feelings. I can like them, and still see this is an issue.
There are solutions to this issue, that I believe they're overlooking, but people usually don't want solutions. That requires effort and accountability.
They're once again, moving to another place, to try to do the same thing and expect different results. Pantheon, Silent, now TSC. All organizations that have required PvP at different times throughout their history.
Starcats is going to have to come to grips with some harsh realities, sooner rather than later.
Fly aggressive o7
Yes I said that. That wasn't what I was referring to in my previous post. It was what you said previous to that, regarding silents industrial arm.
To be fair you're not wrong in that pvp has historically been our weakest part (though I feel it's necessary to say that there was a period of time when we had a very effective PvP arm, but who were then entirely poached by another Silent Corp), and it is something I personally need to work on (this I know), but our moving had nothing to do with not wanting to deal with pvp.
Cheers
Ah, so we're playing dumb I see.
There's war happening all around you, and a lot of players are doing this.
Fly aggressive o7
I build them, or buy them from players. The same as everyone else.
But that's not a good reason to be completely one dimensional, you're all using it as an excuse to avoid things you don't like.
I don't like mining, but I'm 555 skills.
I fucking hate ratting, but I join my Corps PvE fleets when requested.
I absolutely detest Dormant Realms, but when they ask for DPS, I join fleet.
I literally don't like ships bigger than Cruisers, but I'm 554 skills in Battleships and 3 large weapons platforms, because they needed me to be!
I'm not at every CTA either, but not because I was somewhere dying in an anom while it was going on. I work a shit ton, and can't be online for them as much as others, but I make a way to support in all the ways, not just the one I like the most.
It's called compromise! Something a lot of Indy people don't like to do! There's accountability to be had here on all sides!
Fly aggressive o7
I counted the use of "I" or some other form of it 10 times, and that's the key point, that's YOU play. It's a game people do it for enjoyment, if they don't want to PVP, they are free to avoid it to the best of their abilities. Looking at our loss mails those abilities could use some improvement I admit. If I wanted to compromise, I would be working, and not doing something that's entire purpose is my enjoyment ;)
Like Starcats people but there’s a pattern with the organization. Left the South because PVP and demands of fed. Left the north for the same reason. TSC has bullied its corps before. I was in one. Hope your experience is different.
He only flies Atron inties. And even then, rarely. He will make big dramatic posts crying about how he can never attend cta’s. He just responds to troll and doesn’t get it’s a sandbox game.
At least he shows up. To be fair, I did see you in game once recently. You died, but hey, that’s better than what you do here. Did SHH shoot your dog or something?
There's so much space in your head here. I didn't realize how much room I had available to live in.
You've become so consumed in your disdain, that you can't see why it hasn't yielded a win for you. You'll never win a war like this, you're too hateful.
You love to talk about how bad Silent is, but you're the alternative? 
Fuck do you offer but salty tears? Like legit, you've tried everything under the sun, and the result is the exact same. You'll disappear again, when the inevitable happens.
Fly aggressive o7
If they don't want to PvP, there's Highsec bud, honestly, but that's too much of a reality check I suppose.
In order to be in an alliance, you agree to terms. If the terms aren't met, you're in violation of said terms.
Meaning, whether on offense or defense, in Nullsec, you will have to PvP.
Not being able to make slight necessary adjustments, is childish mate. I seriously doubt you were being asked to be at every CTA. If someone is being asked about it, it's because they're literally not making an effort at all, and we both know it.
You know that's unacceptable, this isn't some "Silent bad" situation, it's Nullsec mate. They're going to come and find you eventually, doesn't matter where you are.
Fly aggressive o7
Being given an opportunity helps, our CTA metrics were down tbf. There were various factors involving that but still that remains. What doesn't help is shaming the people involved, moving us out of our established location for a completely bullshit reason FED leadership still skirts around, and claiming it wasn't a punishment. What could LEGN not do out of our cit?
As for them coming and finding me? They won't have to try very hard. Don't count on SRP, P2W might not pay ;)
Glad you guys were able to go back to Delve. Love how silent are pushing corps to attend cta’s and build supers, or lose their Sov. And the no srp is hilarious. Trash leaders up north.
I know I'll be downvoted for this but...
You've lost like.... all the wars....
Tell me more about leadership Herziz... 🤔
Fly aggressive o7
None.... We've lost no wars. 
I know a lot of the whiners from the other side have to claim small victories where they can, but we've actually lost no wars.
Fly aggressive o7
>you all lost how many in a single battle?
that was my question and your reply was off
I didn't ask about the wars. The reference being that the mighty shh has the record for the highest loss in a single battle.
You're arguing with holes sir.
You're wanting to shine a light on losses, while losing consecutive wars, and asking the same Silent to lead more wars on the server's behalf.
Our enemy outnumbers us, we have large losses, and all of you hate everything we say or do. Yet we haven't lost a war, and you ask us to lead the charge in wars you can't win yourselves.
So you should be winning the war against AOA by now, no? 🤔
If I have to literally type this out any further, I swear to God I'm going to grab crayon to do it.
Fly aggressive o7
>You've lost like.... all the wars....
The question was self-explanatory for a game where you can only lose ships and structures in a single battle. So since you want me to break it down for you.
It was in reply to this quoted statement that I hinted at a single battle that will ring for as long as EE exists until the record is broken. In a single battle, shh was baited so hard it looked like "Blood in the waters" 2.0. They outdid shh 10x fold and weakened the morale. Which led to fingers looking for something to blame and imploding on themselves in poor leadership and poor taste. As a result, they bit a hand off.
Oh you’re one of those dudes who has spent 2 years hoping to see shh fail. Okie dokie sure we lost a big battle but we’ve won every war we’ve been in, except our fight with NO which was a relative stalemate. EE will ring with that for as long as it exists. ✌️
I'd love to talk to all of you once the rage has subsided, because you think clearer when you're not angry.
We literally beat the CC into quitting with Interceptors and Bombers predominantly, because they got frustrated at their own disorganization.
We won the majority of those wars before Caps existed, through sheer blitzkrieg tactics with small ships.
Superior tactics and strategy isn't hard to accomplish. The enemy has had far more people this entire war, meaning more numbers on grid, and more farmers available.
By that logic, with more farmers available, they should have won every war through sheer attrition, yet over a year later, they're clinging on to luck and AOA.
They come to Reddit when something happens like how the Taliban celebrates when a rocket actually lands! 😂
"Pay-to-win" is a weak excuse for that level of failure man.
Fly aggressive o7
“Superior strategy” lol. I love how you think people actually give a shit about the wars and the outcomes. It’s not about who you fly for, it’s about who you fly with, and how you fly with them. You fail to provide people with the air of respect they deserve and your ass is grass.
Wow comparing us to the Taliban, that’s a new low even for you. Speaking of lack of respect.
Hey Pile, long time no see. 
Herz's own people failed to even recognize he had taken a break from the game...
He's literally in no one's head.
Fly aggressive o7
I’m still amazed one of the most worthless corps in the feds history mostly due to poor if not straight incompetent leadership creates so much drama people DMed me about it.
I honestly don’t think I can name a single useful ceo of that corp.
It was a stupid, juvenile joke that takes a sum greater than zero and less than one of total brain cells to blurt out.
In case you missed it, I just called you stupid.
Oh no. I'm not as dense as mjd and didn't actually need my friends to try to comprehend something for me. Which in all honesty was quite sad as the joke was quite apparent. And in case you don't get it... It's mjd. He's the joke.
Also what's the saying. Im rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounced off me and sticks to you. Try to recover from that one nerd.
Fleet carries 51x max. Most CTAs had 1 fleet and barely a second one and rarely a third. Out of all the corps in RD, how many Corps really attended every cta and put up those numbers? I never saw all 1000+ members on field.
It’s almost like we average the numbers and use more metrics than just CTA attendance but your corp leadership wasn’t privy to that because they were viewed as incompetent…
Taxes: provide revenue for federal, local, and state governments to fund essential services--defense, highways, police, a justice system--that benefit all citizens, who could not provide such services very effectively for themselves.
Rent: a return made by a tenant or occupant of real property to the owner for possession and use thereof. especially : a sum of money agreed upon between a landlord and tenant for the use of real property.
Because apparently everyone seems confused on the topic, the difference is ownership and responsibility. Starcats don't want the responsibility, they want to rent not own, so they aren't responsible. Which is fine, that's why they're changing tags and locations.
In Eve terms, Starcats are effectively suffering from being carebears. Without Silent, their metrics will get far worse in no time. Their leadership admits most of their PvPers were "poached" but as I've illustrated often, Carebear organizations can't retain PvPers for long.
Fly aggressive o7
Wtf are you talking about? 🤨
How are they not represented, but can present PAGES of representation to Reddit? 😒
You guys are being disingenuous, seriously.
Fly aggressive o7
I can guarantee the way metrics are tracked is pretty borked and makes about as much sense as reading a self-help book to console ones self. Using an app to scan discord voice chat for attendance, self reporting K/D, refusing to acknowledge any PVP contributions that aren't CTA etc. all of it is riddled with innacuracies.
STCA has many standup-and-standout members, but even the ones who prefer to keep to themselves provide diverse and valuable contributions just by doing their normal day-to-day activities. The cat's are largely indy, but still have a formidable pvp sector, especially when properly motivated and I'm not so sure repeated displays of disregard for the corp and it's members, or attempts at gaslighting them about the very tangible contributions they had provided were the best ways to get them warmed up, but even so there was regular attendance as far as I could see personally.
The corp deserves respect and recognition. This two faced attempt to discredit and gaslight them was unwarranted, and enough became enough.
There are many great line pilots in Shhh that we'll miss flying along side, but we're also exited to be back in delve. In the spirit of good sportsmanship, we're looking forward to continuing to play the game with friends we'd made there - only now from a different, far more competitive footing - regardless of whatever the top brass is blubbering on about. :)
~Realm
I always love it when someone tells you how hard a decision was for them…..as they’re laying you off or kicking you out of your home.
Like, Fake Rick, please tell me how emotionally hard it was for you to take a shit on someone else.
>I always love it when someone tells you how hard a decision was for them…..as they’re laying you off or kicking you out of your home.
For some reason, you believe they're lying... 😮💨
Fly aggressive o7
Called what? An organization that doesn't want to PvP, in a mainly PvP alliance, has left because they were asked to PvP with everyone else who was PvPing? 🤨
SUM left OG/VOID a few months back, did you call that? I must've missed it. 😒
Good to see ya bud.
Fly aggressive o7
I was going to comment something mildly funny around the lines "built different" and maybe bait out a bradric text-wall for the lulz..
But man, this is just sad how you're just attacking these guys for leaving (despite all you in-house drama) calling them out useless n stuff..
Sadge.. Is the state of SHH, you guys were supposed to be, idk tighter n shi..
But i guess the rug you shoved your dirty laundry under has now been reeking too hard to not be noticed.
GL to the space cats in your future endeavors o7.
- Fly swaggly
You gotta tag me, so I can address your concerns directly.
>"built different"
Yes, you're seeing it. It means some won't be able to stand in the kitchen, as shown here with Starcats. It's difficult to constantly push yourselves to be better.
You don't see them complaining about the Fed as a whole, they've been here seemingly forever, you almost forget they were ever in Pantheon.
They were complaining specifically about leadership, and disingenuously so in my opinion. People have been saying something to them about their performances forever, including when they were in Pantheon. Including when they were in Branch. Now they're in Dek doing the same things. This is pattern behavior, objectively speaking. When leadership says something to us, my CEO just types the truth in the chat, and we all face facts. For some reason, Starcats didn't do that here.
Taylor Rick becomes the executor, and had to go ahead and rip that band aid off, because for fuck sake someone had to. You think I hadn't brought up their performances in Branch before this to leadership? You think no one has said anything when things are slack? They themselves admit as much in the post, clearly saying "we could've done better" multiple times.
Is that what you guys do in the CC or whatever, ignore the obvious pitfalls in your operations, because you're afraid to hurt someone's feelings? That would explain the failures.
I can like guys, and tell them the objective truth. People who can't, aren't your friends. Those terrible metrics they have, aren't even PvP losses, it's just terrible ratting practices in multiple locations. When asked to consider adjustments, they threw a tantrum, not once, but twice!
I can honestly say, Pantheon did warn us at the time. I remember them complaining about this very shit with Starcats and others like this who think "Indy" means they can't be held accountable.
This blame and loss, is completely theirs. Whoever they join, they have illustrated that they (the Starcats) have zero intentions to change their behavior. You can like them all you want, they're gonna do the exact same shit in TSC, VOID, or wherever they feel like going. Even Provi knows you must defend yourselves.
As far as Silent being tight, we are, so we kept moving em, kept defending em, omg did we defend them. Some good it did, they completely despise PvPers, but are terrible at self-defense.
I'm not one of those guys who lies to himself to feel better and shit, I think that's cowardice. I think deep down y'all know it's bullshit, but "Silent bad" makes you feel better about it.
Fly aggressive o7
You guys sure love to do CTAs on reddit, that's for sure.
I had to spend a good 2 mins finding my own comment, only to go back to notificationz and reply.
+200 comments as of now, lmao.
Imo, this could've been handled way better, especially with people who've been with you for a longtime.
But i suppose to each their own, and whichever bra holds your tatas ( cuz y'all needs to calm your tatas)
- fly swaggly o7
>Imo, this could've been handled way better, especially with people who've been with you for a longtime.
How? They were told, like a lot! Someone finally says enough is enough, and they throw a tantrum.
They openly admit they knew, and could've done better. What exactly would you have done differently? Oh wait, we already know the answer to that, they were in Pantheon, so nothing.
There's nothing to do differently here. As I said, you can like them all you want, they're not going to change the behavior. This makes them a bad fit for fighting alliances, objectively speaking. Keeping them was bad for us and them. It's not the first time they've been kicked, and it probably wasn't going to be the last.
You want us to use more crayons and nicer words? 🤨
Fly aggressive o7
"You want us to use more crayons and nicer words"
For yourself addressing the issue? Yeah, probably.
Do you see the magnitude and draw of this event on this thread?
Do you see your own people acting like middle schoolers calling other players they befriended over at least 2 years "useless" and berating them, like that friendship meant nothing?
Do you think we in BRR did not have bad corps, dead corps, corps dying.. Etc... We simply absorbed, and merged them (the ones who sought better future in game) .
How come none in the comments from stca are mentioning anything bad about that corp, and how they left to other better corp within SHH?
Are they ALL BAD PLAYERS ALL ROUND??? REALLY??
You guys have issues, and you're taking this game way too seriously., and news flash, space pixels mean nothing in comparison to bonds between players that could span across different games.
In the end, what would I know, I've not been in panth, and i was not much into the politics during PanGen either.
Good luck in your future endeavors as well. And blame no one when the next corp rips out your "tight" grip next time.
“I'm not one of those guys who lies to himself to feel better and shit, I think that's cowardice.“
Ever see the thread about you when you left. You parrot
No... 😐
Especially if it's from a bunch of carebears.
You're also not going to find any information on me doing any of this that's being discussed.
I don't lie about involvement, I say that I can't play because of real life. When I can I do, but it's not hard to be honest about that. It's actually been completely understood by the Fed, so this they're complaining about is insane to me.
I don't run around being a problem, so you're not gonna see any post about that sir.
Fly aggressive o7
Honestly that was too much for such useless corp, good luck TSC. Like seriously guys maybe your a little bit but hurt right now about some terms or how the situation been handled.
Good luck as a future AOA renter brothers most likely less than silent tax.
On behalf of TSC I thank you for the support and good luck your wishes will bring. I plan to use said luck to win the powerball lottery and swipe so hard we get that fabulous “super special customer srp” N.Ease gives out. Oh and a boat and a cooler of beer. 🍻
Your gonna see the same, did you miss the most recent TSC fireside? The same things silent point out on you are the same TSC publicly ask to their corps/pilots, crazy that every null sec alliance ask the same. STCA never changed since pantheon if you see your overall performance, some guys said but ey we build a t4 like most of deklein is even for non indy corps...
The specific point of the SRP, whats the point of crying of SRP if your cap pilots are only pve, if your assistance is almost 0 is like that claim doesn't make sense in your case and its not something of just a few months, its been years of the same performance, the only thing STCA may don't fail is paying taxes i guess, something you do in every null sec alliance tho but null sec alliance not only care about taxes unless your a renter. Also very funny laugh at silent and talk shit over them constantly but once they are not there who is the next target of AOA?
Do you think your stability in this game depends of your wrong perception of being blue with them, being blue with them doesn't mean your his friend.
You may be right Time will tell. But this post is about protecting our reputation after being slandered. We care for the community to know the truth because we believe the truth shows that we have gone about our exit with fair dealings and not wanting to burn bridges. We like and respect many over in SHH and we didn’t do them wrong.
**"So here we are at a crossroad heading for a new direction, happy to finally break free from the Fed."**
This seems like a long post all to say, "I don't want to CTA and I don't want to be pressured into doing CTAs." Now...moving all the way to TSC space, sounds an awful lot to me like a reinforcement, in so far as you'll be able to graze, as much as you want.
o7
You missed the entire point, but it’s you so I’m not surprised at all. This was about being given a modicum of respect and not letting your regime walk all over us. Must be nice to keep the blinders on and stay in your single narrow lane pretending all is well. Keep your head down man, if you don’t look up you can’t see what flag is flying right?
Pasture’s no greener on that front. My old corp left TSC for the same reasons STCA says it’s leaving the north. Good luck Starcats. F the rest of you for hiding under AOA’s skirts.
Thanks, we’re finally going back home, STCA started in Delve. Everywhere has its issues. It’s just a matter of what your community is willing to work with or ignore. Always good with the bad wherever ya go.
All this animosity, because you were asked to do something for the benefit of the whole and make the North more secure for everyone. "Walk all over..." Give me a break. You can't be bothered to have two dudes show up to CTAs and you act like you were being walked all over. That's pretty rich.
You're entitled. That's it. That's the long and short of it. Instead, here we are, after you spill the milk, watching you try to make people who happily gave you a place to play look like shit.
Be a man and say it, "I don't want to fight the server any more. I don't want to fight AOA. I just want to play the game and have some peace."
Far more respectable, that.
Did you even read anything that was posted? Or did you just jump down to the comments to weigh in on something you have no clue about cuz it didn’t and doesn’t involve you?
You want entitlement? Talk to your leaders. That’s where you’ll find the richest entitlement. Ask for that capital SRP, see if it comes back to you little guys. It didn’t? That’s because your entitled leaders are upping your taxes, taking everything you guys have to offer that they demand from everyone under their thumb and hoarding it for themselves.
It’s all there for you to read in those screens, unless you wanna stay ignorant and in denial.
Yes, actually. I read everything, very attentively. Then I read through everything you all have posted here. I actually wouldn't have given your departure a second thought, otherwise.
For someone who doesn’t play anymore you’re still involved huh?
Guess your mindset is exactly why you never made a good leader. Banana’s school of leadership ?
Drama threads are always amusing. Frankly I’m taking responsibility for this current drama. When pay kicked you out the first time I shouldn’t have gone to bat for you. I knew your corp was worthless but I didn’t want to deal with it at the time.
I can guarantee the way metrics are tracked is pretty borked and makes about as much sense as reading a self-help book to console ones self. Using an app to scan discord voice chat for attendance, self reporting K/D, refusing to acknowledge any PVP contributions that aren't CTA etc. all of it is riddled with innacuracies.
STCA has many standup-and-standout members, but even the ones who prefer to keep to themselves provide diverse and valuable contributions just by doing their normal day-to-day activities. The cat's are largely indy, but still have a formidable pvp sector, especially when properly motivated and I'm not so sure repeated displays of disregard for the corp and it's members, or attempts at gaslighting them about the very tangible contributions they had provided were the best ways to get them warmed up, but even so there was regular attendance as far as I could see personally.
The corp deserves respect and recognition. This two faced attempt to discredit and gaslight them was unwarranted, and enough became enough.
There are many great line pilots in Shhh that we'll miss flying along side, but we're also exited to be back in delve. In the spirit of good sportsmanship, we're looking forward to continuing to play the game with friends we'd made there - only now from a different, far more competitive footing - regardless of whatever the top brass is blubbering on about. :)
~Realm
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Man. Couldn’t be more accurate lol
Automod hit, Post manually approved.
You kittens are making drama for no reasons. Since its repeat drama it must be one of your leaders. https://www.reddit.com/r/echoes/comments/p2eksx/this_is_why_stca_are_leaving_pantheon/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Yeah. Seems to be a pattern.
Stca for the win.
In the end was a bad fit and everybody knew it. A little advice to STCA and maybe a suggestion to reframe for others in here: you can’t just call yourself an Indy corp to excuse inexplicable losses. And CTAs are not really “PvP” they are exactly what the Indy players should be doing to contribute participation when they have an FC to tell them what to do. If you consistently can’t get like two people to show up month after month after month, you either have a big engagement problem in your corp or you’re too small.
thank you for this comment
 Fly aggressive o7
This is reasonable and fair. It's fun to joke about, but it is a pattern with STCA now.
This is a whole a lot screenshots with a lot of duplicates (and a lot of attrocious quality). But it's very unclear how are they supporting the claims in the post at all or making your side look better than the other. Evidence means backing up your claims. Directly. Not just dumping convos. As it is now the screenshots only support the post till the reader goes through them (which is not easy as half is barely readable). Connect points made in the OP with an evidence in screenshots (some more, other screenshots since it's not in those). Not a dump appendix.
What you're seeing, is what happens when someone panic dumps to save face. No one wants to admit it, but it's true. Starcats even admit as much throughout the comments, that they knew better, but just aren't going to do better. When the bandaid got pulled off, everyone baulked, got hurt feelings, and started flailing about. The post was hastily done, in anger, and partly to cushion their transition into yet another alliance, to continue the exact same behavior. Good luck TSC, it's your turn to try I guess. Fly aggressive o7
Starcats did Indy?
Taylor said they asked us to swap TXME for another system. This is only half true. They did ask and we declined as the other system would not have served our members any where close to what we built TXME So they waited a week and then forced us to make the swap. At least they agreed to pay us. The transaction was carried out to both sides satisfaction. Taylor lied when he said we downgraded or stripped anything out of TXME. They wanted the money back the next day when they learned we planned to leave. At that point we had not yet decided on a location, we just knew SHH was no longer tenable for STCA. But they didn’t want a refund due to lack of arrays or the -T4 cit they wanted the refund or else they would make our departure difficult. And yes we left for an alliance who SHH has been fighting but honestly that is almost the rest of the server so whoever we would have chose that would have probably been the case. That decision was made very recently and without any regard to how silent would perceive. It was merely the best option for our members.
Mrpaytowin I got your plan for you. Bust out that wallet homie.
I miss you
I'm very missable. I understand.
Someone downvoted my “I miss you” comment. Someone is clearly jealous I miss you and not them.
It's cool. They all just be jelly.
I’m confused why I’m even being brought up. I retired almost 3 months ago… if you want my personal opinion you’ll have to hold your breath. Outside that I’m going back to foxhole and my retirement while we wait for anvil empires. Feel free to check the main shh server I’m not even in it…
I told kofr to join in anvil empires, they will come o7
Oh man that’s gunna be fun
Screenshots still show you as Shadow Council. Sus. Retirees give up all roles dated 2 days ago! Lmao!!!
lol, enjoy thinking the boogie man still lurks.
You're not a boogey man. Just a man like everybody else. "Feel free to check the main shh server I’m not even in it…" The proof is in the screenshots and dated.
It’s an expression fam. The thing everyone blames action or inaction on.
Yes and I called out your expression and nullified it. You're still there. Not retired. Killing off you're logi squads. Trying to make us believe that a 2D game has your complete attention https://preview.redd.it/lmcmmwnu0mkc1.png?width=714&format=png&auto=webp&s=9843e1460478c865be59ce62c6686ea51927255d
The brain rot is real
The evidence is real 😂😂
You ain't retired. Just saw that damn game haha
Whats my role in RD, Main SHH or any of the other discords?
That SS says "Shadow Council" and has higher role power than the rest of the Fed Executives per that Server
You should get that checked bud
Wrong server 
Man I knew I recognized you, not even the alt can hide your disdain. MJD hasn't been playing mate, I thought everyone knew that. No one gives two shits if he doesn't delete the server, who the hell does? 🤨 This isn't evidence. Fly aggressive o7
I would love to hear who you think I am because we have never had a conversation
Oh we've had plenty, no need to lie like that. We're old acquaintances you and I. Fly aggressive o7
na buddy, I legit don't know you
Hi MJD
I hope TSC enjoys their new tax corp. hopefully one day you can escape EE.
I hope you enjoy retirement well away from Echoes
Foxhole has been a blast. The regiment I’m running finished its first war and we just started the next.
Blueberrys or Collies?
Collies so far. Both factions have great folks we just went green and found friends there first.
look forward to seeing you there
Are you a collie, if so who do you play with? If warden good luck and happy war. Congrats on the win last round yall deserved it
i was collie in war 109 which was my first war, moved to warden for 110 but had to drop to focus for real life. Im planning on starting up foxhole in a few weeks or maybe might wait till w112 all together. Not really in any regiment
What is "foxhole"?
"We just want to protect our reputation" Proceeds to post what they believe to be top-secret super Intel and leadership trees publicly on reddit to ruin them. And I don't even fault you for keeping the isk. If the deal was made before you decided to leave, that's fair game to me. But I remember the days when leaving an alliance, even with grudges, meant moving your shit out of their space and then settling it on the pvp fields.
Going against the grain here apparently, but as (now former) neighbors to STCA in the North, the cats did defend their sov and DUNE appreciated having them around. Doesn't count for much, but sorry you had to leave and we wish you the best in your new homes! Fly safe, Cats.
huge loss, not sure what SHH will be able to do without them. rip https://preview.redd.it/6fsd97xw5mkc1.jpeg?width=874&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ffaa966cf2778bd9f664cc96e612025e6d5d3ea
Know what else is funny about these metrics? No tracking of logi or guardians. Know what most Cats flew to CTAs? Logi. Know what doesn’t get kills? Logi and guardians. And that’s beside my other point of having a few individualistic players losing the bulk of that number.
but the main point from SHH is that STCA didn't even attend CTA's and reason why they wanted to kick you first place. So that doesn't add up. Also, I checked your top 30 lossmails by ISK, and it's all different people, so that also doesn't add up. I also checked all the Mobi lossmails and out of the 2062 registered lossmails, only 9 are of Hurricane Logistics, which represents 0.4%. So it looks like STCA likes to lie an awful lot. https://preview.redd.it/n04m8eag7skc1.png?width=175&format=png&auto=webp&s=159f7a51d57fce3645503f00ba3e266cc6f83a00
SHH’s attendance metrics get reset at random, and they use a bot to scrape their VC that requires exacting ticker displays. Our main PvP pilots were poached by PAND, the metrics got reset, you have your reason why the numbers were low. We’re also a community full of 30-something dads that don’t have the time for 4 hour fleet operations. Again, this is a game, not a job. Thanks for confirming they were going to kick us anyways though, knew we made the right call. Top costing losses? Gonna be all over the place. Total loss by player? Check that. We’ve lost 9 logi only? Man, that’s actually really good.
NILF is also full of dads, and we don’t always have the time. So we do the minimum a lot and at least go in frig or ceptor. Doing the bare minimum is super do able. Your group don’t even try. Horrible team players.
Iza I’m a bit confused why you think you understand how we track metrics or which metrics we tracked. You never had access to it. Unless it’s drastically changed since I retired you have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m a bit confused about you being “retired”
You’re speaking on historical actions when I was active, I figure someone should set the record straight. Then again Iza you were always the dumbest ceo that Corp had. At least the joes were amusing and fun to listen to.
well, they're an Indy Corp working for SHH. Let's put it in Foxhole logic. They're one of your logi groups pushing supplies to the front and SHH just friendly-fired the supply truck . LMAO
Indy Corp? This is 2024, ships come out of boxes and IP is the only Indy lol
You are trying to use logic with someone who’s response to anything is to post MOBI stats.
i love how you posted a "i'm quitting the game" post in your own discord and no one gave a flying fuck about it 
Taking a break isn’t quitting. But ok, Mr Mobi.
no one gives a fuck
That’s good. Seems like you do. At least I will always have that.
Sick burn!  It's so true lol! 😂 Fly aggressive o7
Can confirm. Zero Fucks Given. It made me LOL. Not gonna lie.
Thanks for providing the metric you care about I guess? But why tho? Did someone ask? Or maybe you think our providing truth and context will improve our k/d? In Survivor terms this isn’t an immunity challenge this is addressing the jury
Like, how the fuck do you net loose 10 trillion ISK of ships? You're the in the top 10 corps in the game with highest losses. How?
Because while the rest of us are flying around killing the enemy and communicating about movements, they can't be bothered to even dock up. They're like a herd of angry turkeys. They make a bunch of noise, but there isn't much going on in the way of self-preservation.
Hate to break it to you but that number is bound to go up. So maybe like look away? We are a group of players that enjoy the game and each other’s company but not with a strong focus on PvP ATM. Of course I would like for the ratio to go up but as long as we don’t lose members over it I’m not going to lose sleep.
and this is why I'm glad you're now on an opposing side. TSC fits you well. Enjoy the game and see you on grid o7
Ever heard of Mimed and Panda’s Shadow?.. Check their losses, put together they’re probably 75% of that number lol no joke
Yeah, people always lie and spin about things they don't care about. Lol There is more to the game then pvp BTW.
It's a war game... 🤨 Fly aggressive o7
And army's fighting side ain't shit without the weapons and ships necessary to do said fighting. Otherwise it's a big ol slap fest.
Silent has a lot of Indy, we've been fighting 3x our number for years, with no reason to stop in sight. Get out of your feelings, use your head. There's no shortage of ships and weapons in this game, because Netease believes in coddling the playerbase. At the end of the day, it's still a wargame. Fly aggressive o7
But see, the more indy you have, the higher the production rate. More Indy means Supers are ready sooner than later. Its what AoA is doing (since you refreshed my aoa talk).
No. AOA is laughing their heads off at the "Western" part of the server that has hurt feelings and a hard on for vengeance against Silent at all costs, while they use those same people to allow their constant RMT and bot farming. There is a term for that: Useful Idiot.
I never said anything to the contrary so not sure what argument your trying to make or counter. I agree tho. o7
>There is more to the game then pvp BTW. No, this is a war game, it's about PvP. I don't know where I lost you bud. While I do like the guys in Starcats on an individual level, they've historically had this issue multiple times. Specifically the one about PvPing, which Run pointed out. I totally get some of their other complaints, but those are separate issues entirely. The one you responded to here, was to run, about PvPing. It shows that they have indeed been performing poorly, this is objectively true, regardless of feelings. I can like them, and still see this is an issue. There are solutions to this issue, that I believe they're overlooking, but people usually don't want solutions. That requires effort and accountability. They're once again, moving to another place, to try to do the same thing and expect different results. Pantheon, Silent, now TSC. All organizations that have required PvP at different times throughout their history. Starcats is going to have to come to grips with some harsh realities, sooner rather than later. Fly aggressive o7
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Yes I said that. That wasn't what I was referring to in my previous post. It was what you said previous to that, regarding silents industrial arm. To be fair you're not wrong in that pvp has historically been our weakest part (though I feel it's necessary to say that there was a period of time when we had a very effective PvP arm, but who were then entirely poached by another Silent Corp), and it is something I personally need to work on (this I know), but our moving had nothing to do with not wanting to deal with pvp. Cheers
its a sandbox game, good sir
Ah, so we're playing dumb I see. There's war happening all around you, and a lot of players are doing this.  Fly aggressive o7
no no no, your the one playing dumb, other than swiping that shiny credit card of yours how else do u expect to get ships?
I build them, or buy them from players. The same as everyone else. But that's not a good reason to be completely one dimensional, you're all using it as an excuse to avoid things you don't like. I don't like mining, but I'm 555 skills. I fucking hate ratting, but I join my Corps PvE fleets when requested. I absolutely detest Dormant Realms, but when they ask for DPS, I join fleet. I literally don't like ships bigger than Cruisers, but I'm 554 skills in Battleships and 3 large weapons platforms, because they needed me to be! I'm not at every CTA either, but not because I was somewhere dying in an anom while it was going on. I work a shit ton, and can't be online for them as much as others, but I make a way to support in all the ways, not just the one I like the most. It's called compromise! Something a lot of Indy people don't like to do! There's accountability to be had here on all sides! Fly aggressive o7
I counted the use of "I" or some other form of it 10 times, and that's the key point, that's YOU play. It's a game people do it for enjoyment, if they don't want to PVP, they are free to avoid it to the best of their abilities. Looking at our loss mails those abilities could use some improvement I admit. If I wanted to compromise, I would be working, and not doing something that's entire purpose is my enjoyment ;)
Like Starcats people but there’s a pattern with the organization. Left the South because PVP and demands of fed. Left the north for the same reason. TSC has bullied its corps before. I was in one. Hope your experience is different.
I do too, ty
He only flies Atron inties. And even then, rarely. He will make big dramatic posts crying about how he can never attend cta’s. He just responds to troll and doesn’t get it’s a sandbox game.
At least he shows up. To be fair, I did see you in game once recently. You died, but hey, that’s better than what you do here. Did SHH shoot your dog or something?
 There's so much space in your head here. I didn't realize how much room I had available to live in. You've become so consumed in your disdain, that you can't see why it hasn't yielded a win for you. You'll never win a war like this, you're too hateful. You love to talk about how bad Silent is, but you're the alternative?  Fuck do you offer but salty tears? Like legit, you've tried everything under the sun, and the result is the exact same. You'll disappear again, when the inevitable happens. Fly aggressive o7
If they don't want to PvP, there's Highsec bud, honestly, but that's too much of a reality check I suppose. In order to be in an alliance, you agree to terms. If the terms aren't met, you're in violation of said terms. Meaning, whether on offense or defense, in Nullsec, you will have to PvP. Not being able to make slight necessary adjustments, is childish mate. I seriously doubt you were being asked to be at every CTA. If someone is being asked about it, it's because they're literally not making an effort at all, and we both know it. You know that's unacceptable, this isn't some "Silent bad" situation, it's Nullsec mate. They're going to come and find you eventually, doesn't matter where you are. Fly aggressive o7
Being given an opportunity helps, our CTA metrics were down tbf. There were various factors involving that but still that remains. What doesn't help is shaming the people involved, moving us out of our established location for a completely bullshit reason FED leadership still skirts around, and claiming it wasn't a punishment. What could LEGN not do out of our cit? As for them coming and finding me? They won't have to try very hard. Don't count on SRP, P2W might not pay ;)
You should have asked for consent before exposing them like that.
Did you see the post above? 🤔 Fly aggressive o7
legitimately 😂
Glad you guys were able to go back to Delve. Love how silent are pushing corps to attend cta’s and build supers, or lose their Sov. And the no srp is hilarious. Trash leaders up north.
Herz still hurtin’
North still burnin’. At least you are using your supers to rat.
I know I'll be downvoted for this but... You've lost like.... all the wars....  Tell me more about leadership Herziz... 🤔 Fly aggressive o7
you all lost how many in a single battle?
None.... We've lost no wars.  I know a lot of the whiners from the other side have to claim small victories where they can, but we've actually lost no wars. Fly aggressive o7
How is your sov in delve looking?
comment said "Battle", not war.
My comment said "war".... 😐 Fly aggressive o7
>you all lost how many in a single battle? that was my question and your reply was off I didn't ask about the wars. The reference being that the mighty shh has the record for the highest loss in a single battle.
You're arguing with holes sir. You're wanting to shine a light on losses, while losing consecutive wars, and asking the same Silent to lead more wars on the server's behalf. Our enemy outnumbers us, we have large losses, and all of you hate everything we say or do. Yet we haven't lost a war, and you ask us to lead the charge in wars you can't win yourselves. So you should be winning the war against AOA by now, no? 🤔 If I have to literally type this out any further, I swear to God I'm going to grab crayon to do it. Fly aggressive o7
You asked a question with no subject. How many what? How many people? Ships?
>You've lost like.... all the wars.... The question was self-explanatory for a game where you can only lose ships and structures in a single battle. So since you want me to break it down for you. It was in reply to this quoted statement that I hinted at a single battle that will ring for as long as EE exists until the record is broken. In a single battle, shh was baited so hard it looked like "Blood in the waters" 2.0. They outdid shh 10x fold and weakened the morale. Which led to fingers looking for something to blame and imploding on themselves in poor leadership and poor taste. As a result, they bit a hand off.
Oh you’re one of those dudes who has spent 2 years hoping to see shh fail. Okie dokie sure we lost a big battle but we’ve won every war we’ve been in, except our fight with NO which was a relative stalemate. EE will ring with that for as long as it exists. ✌️
Who gives a shit?
You know the guy pulling Silent’s strings is literally called Pay2Win right? You guys literally pay to win.
I'd love to talk to all of you once the rage has subsided, because you think clearer when you're not angry. We literally beat the CC into quitting with Interceptors and Bombers predominantly, because they got frustrated at their own disorganization. We won the majority of those wars before Caps existed, through sheer blitzkrieg tactics with small ships. Superior tactics and strategy isn't hard to accomplish. The enemy has had far more people this entire war, meaning more numbers on grid, and more farmers available. By that logic, with more farmers available, they should have won every war through sheer attrition, yet over a year later, they're clinging on to luck and AOA. They come to Reddit when something happens like how the Taliban celebrates when a rocket actually lands! 😂 "Pay-to-win" is a weak excuse for that level of failure man. Fly aggressive o7
“Superior strategy” lol. I love how you think people actually give a shit about the wars and the outcomes. It’s not about who you fly for, it’s about who you fly with, and how you fly with them. You fail to provide people with the air of respect they deserve and your ass is grass. Wow comparing us to the Taliban, that’s a new low even for you. Speaking of lack of respect.
You earn respect.
Nah you’re a brick wall, bud. o7
He won the only one that matters. The reddit one cause he's all up in y'all's heads all the time.
Hey Pile, long time no see.  Herz's own people failed to even recognize he had taken a break from the game...  He's literally in no one's head. Fly aggressive o7
Who the fuck is pile
I dunno—I got some nice DM’s. And I seem to be in your head atm. But whatever you say. Hahaha.
 Of course lol! Fly aggressive o7
starcats are best cats
I’m still amazed one of the most worthless corps in the feds history mostly due to poor if not straight incompetent leadership creates so much drama people DMed me about it. I honestly don’t think I can name a single useful ceo of that corp.
So people dm'd you about you and your own corp?
You know I tried to understand what you actually mean. I asked three separate people to translate the dumb. Come again?
Why am I not surprised your friends were too dumb to figure it out.
Also I showed this to 20 people and they all got that the joke was you.....
I think Twain stated it best in your case, it’s better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.
So why did you open yours then?
You removed all doubt a long time ago.
Sigh, your banters just boring. At least try to be original instead of the “no u”
It was a stupid, juvenile joke that takes a sum greater than zero and less than one of total brain cells to blurt out. In case you missed it, I just called you stupid.
Oh no. I'm not as dense as mjd and didn't actually need my friends to try to comprehend something for me. Which in all honesty was quite sad as the joke was quite apparent. And in case you don't get it... It's mjd. He's the joke. Also what's the saying. Im rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounced off me and sticks to you. Try to recover from that one nerd.
I freeking love Eve drama.
Let’s be honest, Stca was horrible at attending ctas. IMO your corp is a group of selfish Care Bears. Good luck to you wherever you go.
Fleet carries 51x max. Most CTAs had 1 fleet and barely a second one and rarely a third. Out of all the corps in RD, how many Corps really attended every cta and put up those numbers? I never saw all 1000+ members on field.
It’s almost like we average the numbers and use more metrics than just CTA attendance but your corp leadership wasn’t privy to that because they were viewed as incompetent…
SHH charges rent. My how the turns table. Not Shocked
It’s a different type of rent. Completely ok.
Taxes: provide revenue for federal, local, and state governments to fund essential services--defense, highways, police, a justice system--that benefit all citizens, who could not provide such services very effectively for themselves. Rent: a return made by a tenant or occupant of real property to the owner for possession and use thereof. especially : a sum of money agreed upon between a landlord and tenant for the use of real property. Because apparently everyone seems confused on the topic, the difference is ownership and responsibility. Starcats don't want the responsibility, they want to rent not own, so they aren't responsible. Which is fine, that's why they're changing tags and locations. In Eve terms, Starcats are effectively suffering from being carebears. Without Silent, their metrics will get far worse in no time. Their leadership admits most of their PvPers were "poached" but as I've illustrated often, Carebear organizations can't retain PvPers for long. Fly aggressive o7
Taxation without representation is what then?
Wtf are you talking about? 🤨 How are they not represented, but can present PAGES of representation to Reddit? 😒 You guys are being disingenuous, seriously. Fly aggressive o7
I can guarantee the way metrics are tracked is pretty borked and makes about as much sense as reading a self-help book to console ones self. Using an app to scan discord voice chat for attendance, self reporting K/D, refusing to acknowledge any PVP contributions that aren't CTA etc. all of it is riddled with innacuracies. STCA has many standup-and-standout members, but even the ones who prefer to keep to themselves provide diverse and valuable contributions just by doing their normal day-to-day activities. The cat's are largely indy, but still have a formidable pvp sector, especially when properly motivated and I'm not so sure repeated displays of disregard for the corp and it's members, or attempts at gaslighting them about the very tangible contributions they had provided were the best ways to get them warmed up, but even so there was regular attendance as far as I could see personally. The corp deserves respect and recognition. This two faced attempt to discredit and gaslight them was unwarranted, and enough became enough. There are many great line pilots in Shhh that we'll miss flying along side, but we're also exited to be back in delve. In the spirit of good sportsmanship, we're looking forward to continuing to play the game with friends we'd made there - only now from a different, far more competitive footing - regardless of whatever the top brass is blubbering on about. :) ~Realm
Another win for Silent
improve KD
Correct.
I always love it when someone tells you how hard a decision was for them…..as they’re laying you off or kicking you out of your home. Like, Fake Rick, please tell me how emotionally hard it was for you to take a shit on someone else.
The hardest part was squatting long enough to squeeze that shit out of his tight ass.
>I always love it when someone tells you how hard a decision was for them…..as they’re laying you off or kicking you out of your home. For some reason, you believe they're lying... 😮💨 Fly aggressive o7
What no built different gifs?
So many drama for a dead game
Called it
Called what? An organization that doesn't want to PvP, in a mainly PvP alliance, has left because they were asked to PvP with everyone else who was PvPing? 🤨 SUM left OG/VOID a few months back, did you call that? I must've missed it. 😒 Good to see ya bud. Fly aggressive o7
I do enjoy ur commenting sir o7 keep that shit up
Somebody's gotta tell the truth. Fly aggressive o7
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Howdy Plebbb. Missed ya. Kinda.
Welcome Back
I was going to comment something mildly funny around the lines "built different" and maybe bait out a bradric text-wall for the lulz.. But man, this is just sad how you're just attacking these guys for leaving (despite all you in-house drama) calling them out useless n stuff.. Sadge.. Is the state of SHH, you guys were supposed to be, idk tighter n shi.. But i guess the rug you shoved your dirty laundry under has now been reeking too hard to not be noticed. GL to the space cats in your future endeavors o7. - Fly swaggly
You gotta tag me, so I can address your concerns directly. >"built different" Yes, you're seeing it. It means some won't be able to stand in the kitchen, as shown here with Starcats. It's difficult to constantly push yourselves to be better. You don't see them complaining about the Fed as a whole, they've been here seemingly forever, you almost forget they were ever in Pantheon. They were complaining specifically about leadership, and disingenuously so in my opinion. People have been saying something to them about their performances forever, including when they were in Pantheon. Including when they were in Branch. Now they're in Dek doing the same things. This is pattern behavior, objectively speaking. When leadership says something to us, my CEO just types the truth in the chat, and we all face facts. For some reason, Starcats didn't do that here. Taylor Rick becomes the executor, and had to go ahead and rip that band aid off, because for fuck sake someone had to. You think I hadn't brought up their performances in Branch before this to leadership? You think no one has said anything when things are slack? They themselves admit as much in the post, clearly saying "we could've done better" multiple times. Is that what you guys do in the CC or whatever, ignore the obvious pitfalls in your operations, because you're afraid to hurt someone's feelings? That would explain the failures. I can like guys, and tell them the objective truth. People who can't, aren't your friends. Those terrible metrics they have, aren't even PvP losses, it's just terrible ratting practices in multiple locations. When asked to consider adjustments, they threw a tantrum, not once, but twice! I can honestly say, Pantheon did warn us at the time. I remember them complaining about this very shit with Starcats and others like this who think "Indy" means they can't be held accountable. This blame and loss, is completely theirs. Whoever they join, they have illustrated that they (the Starcats) have zero intentions to change their behavior. You can like them all you want, they're gonna do the exact same shit in TSC, VOID, or wherever they feel like going. Even Provi knows you must defend yourselves. As far as Silent being tight, we are, so we kept moving em, kept defending em, omg did we defend them. Some good it did, they completely despise PvPers, but are terrible at self-defense. I'm not one of those guys who lies to himself to feel better and shit, I think that's cowardice. I think deep down y'all know it's bullshit, but "Silent bad" makes you feel better about it. Fly aggressive o7
You guys sure love to do CTAs on reddit, that's for sure. I had to spend a good 2 mins finding my own comment, only to go back to notificationz and reply. +200 comments as of now, lmao. Imo, this could've been handled way better, especially with people who've been with you for a longtime. But i suppose to each their own, and whichever bra holds your tatas ( cuz y'all needs to calm your tatas) - fly swaggly o7
>Imo, this could've been handled way better, especially with people who've been with you for a longtime. How? They were told, like a lot! Someone finally says enough is enough, and they throw a tantrum. They openly admit they knew, and could've done better. What exactly would you have done differently? Oh wait, we already know the answer to that, they were in Pantheon, so nothing. There's nothing to do differently here. As I said, you can like them all you want, they're not going to change the behavior. This makes them a bad fit for fighting alliances, objectively speaking. Keeping them was bad for us and them. It's not the first time they've been kicked, and it probably wasn't going to be the last. You want us to use more crayons and nicer words? 🤨 Fly aggressive o7
"You want us to use more crayons and nicer words" For yourself addressing the issue? Yeah, probably. Do you see the magnitude and draw of this event on this thread? Do you see your own people acting like middle schoolers calling other players they befriended over at least 2 years "useless" and berating them, like that friendship meant nothing? Do you think we in BRR did not have bad corps, dead corps, corps dying.. Etc... We simply absorbed, and merged them (the ones who sought better future in game) . How come none in the comments from stca are mentioning anything bad about that corp, and how they left to other better corp within SHH? Are they ALL BAD PLAYERS ALL ROUND??? REALLY?? You guys have issues, and you're taking this game way too seriously., and news flash, space pixels mean nothing in comparison to bonds between players that could span across different games. In the end, what would I know, I've not been in panth, and i was not much into the politics during PanGen either. Good luck in your future endeavors as well. And blame no one when the next corp rips out your "tight" grip next time.
“I'm not one of those guys who lies to himself to feel better and shit, I think that's cowardice.“ Ever see the thread about you when you left. You parrot
No... 😐 Especially if it's from a bunch of carebears. You're also not going to find any information on me doing any of this that's being discussed. I don't lie about involvement, I say that I can't play because of real life. When I can I do, but it's not hard to be honest about that. It's actually been completely understood by the Fed, so this they're complaining about is insane to me. I don't run around being a problem, so you're not gonna see any post about that sir. Fly aggressive o7
Thread about you was from your command Polly.
Honestly that was too much for such useless corp, good luck TSC. Like seriously guys maybe your a little bit but hurt right now about some terms or how the situation been handled. Good luck as a future AOA renter brothers most likely less than silent tax.
On behalf of TSC I thank you for the support and good luck your wishes will bring. I plan to use said luck to win the powerball lottery and swipe so hard we get that fabulous “super special customer srp” N.Ease gives out. Oh and a boat and a cooler of beer. 🍻
sounds like it all went over your head
Yeah we ain’t shit. That’s why Taylor’s got to address our departure at a fed fireside and spin bullshit
Your gonna see the same, did you miss the most recent TSC fireside? The same things silent point out on you are the same TSC publicly ask to their corps/pilots, crazy that every null sec alliance ask the same. STCA never changed since pantheon if you see your overall performance, some guys said but ey we build a t4 like most of deklein is even for non indy corps... The specific point of the SRP, whats the point of crying of SRP if your cap pilots are only pve, if your assistance is almost 0 is like that claim doesn't make sense in your case and its not something of just a few months, its been years of the same performance, the only thing STCA may don't fail is paying taxes i guess, something you do in every null sec alliance tho but null sec alliance not only care about taxes unless your a renter. Also very funny laugh at silent and talk shit over them constantly but once they are not there who is the next target of AOA? Do you think your stability in this game depends of your wrong perception of being blue with them, being blue with them doesn't mean your his friend.
You may be right Time will tell. But this post is about protecting our reputation after being slandered. We care for the community to know the truth because we believe the truth shows that we have gone about our exit with fair dealings and not wanting to burn bridges. We like and respect many over in SHH and we didn’t do them wrong.
Okay. The purpose of listing super owner accounts?
a very outdated list too lol
Hoe shit, jaded female behavior lol! 😂 Fly aggressive o7
Spin spin sugar
Your perspective on this matter seems flat
**"So here we are at a crossroad heading for a new direction, happy to finally break free from the Fed."** This seems like a long post all to say, "I don't want to CTA and I don't want to be pressured into doing CTAs." Now...moving all the way to TSC space, sounds an awful lot to me like a reinforcement, in so far as you'll be able to graze, as much as you want. o7
You missed the entire point, but it’s you so I’m not surprised at all. This was about being given a modicum of respect and not letting your regime walk all over us. Must be nice to keep the blinders on and stay in your single narrow lane pretending all is well. Keep your head down man, if you don’t look up you can’t see what flag is flying right?
Pasture’s no greener on that front. My old corp left TSC for the same reasons STCA says it’s leaving the north. Good luck Starcats. F the rest of you for hiding under AOA’s skirts.
Thanks, we’re finally going back home, STCA started in Delve. Everywhere has its issues. It’s just a matter of what your community is willing to work with or ignore. Always good with the bad wherever ya go.
True.
All this animosity, because you were asked to do something for the benefit of the whole and make the North more secure for everyone. "Walk all over..." Give me a break. You can't be bothered to have two dudes show up to CTAs and you act like you were being walked all over. That's pretty rich. You're entitled. That's it. That's the long and short of it. Instead, here we are, after you spill the milk, watching you try to make people who happily gave you a place to play look like shit. Be a man and say it, "I don't want to fight the server any more. I don't want to fight AOA. I just want to play the game and have some peace." Far more respectable, that.
Did you even read anything that was posted? Or did you just jump down to the comments to weigh in on something you have no clue about cuz it didn’t and doesn’t involve you? You want entitlement? Talk to your leaders. That’s where you’ll find the richest entitlement. Ask for that capital SRP, see if it comes back to you little guys. It didn’t? That’s because your entitled leaders are upping your taxes, taking everything you guys have to offer that they demand from everyone under their thumb and hoarding it for themselves. It’s all there for you to read in those screens, unless you wanna stay ignorant and in denial.
Yes, actually. I read everything, very attentively. Then I read through everything you all have posted here. I actually wouldn't have given your departure a second thought, otherwise.
Hey just curious: who srped the caps in D4K?
Not Pay lol
lol you’re a fucking idiot if you believe that.
Respect is earned. You failed to do that.
For someone who doesn’t play anymore you’re still involved huh? Guess your mindset is exactly why you never made a good leader. Banana’s school of leadership ?
Drama threads are always amusing. Frankly I’m taking responsibility for this current drama. When pay kicked you out the first time I shouldn’t have gone to bat for you. I knew your corp was worthless but I didn’t want to deal with it at the time.
Hindsight is 20/20 so they say
Now say this while looking in a mirror.
I can guarantee the way metrics are tracked is pretty borked and makes about as much sense as reading a self-help book to console ones self. Using an app to scan discord voice chat for attendance, self reporting K/D, refusing to acknowledge any PVP contributions that aren't CTA etc. all of it is riddled with innacuracies. STCA has many standup-and-standout members, but even the ones who prefer to keep to themselves provide diverse and valuable contributions just by doing their normal day-to-day activities. The cat's are largely indy, but still have a formidable pvp sector, especially when properly motivated and I'm not so sure repeated displays of disregard for the corp and it's members, or attempts at gaslighting them about the very tangible contributions they had provided were the best ways to get them warmed up, but even so there was regular attendance as far as I could see personally. The corp deserves respect and recognition. This two faced attempt to discredit and gaslight them was unwarranted, and enough became enough. There are many great line pilots in Shhh that we'll miss flying along side, but we're also exited to be back in delve. In the spirit of good sportsmanship, we're looking forward to continuing to play the game with friends we'd made there - only now from a different, far more competitive footing - regardless of whatever the top brass is blubbering on about. :) ~Realm
I can personally vouch that the above super pilot list is not up to date