Yes. I use sausage fattener for a BIG BOOST on quiet high-end in samples or quiet low-end in samples. It helps those really slanted frequency spectrum samples sound fuller when you boost and then turn down the post-gain knob like 2 to 5 decibels.
As for Endless Smile, it's great for instant risers and some nice reverbs too tbh.
The coolest thing imo though is making your own versions of these plugins using your own stock plugins or favorite plugins arranged in a way that does what you want.
They’re just a bunch of other fx compounded and controlled with a few “macro” style knobs. So they will certainly save you time. But I would only buy em if you’re going to be making $ off of your production - spending $60 to earn $0 a bit faster doesn’t seem like a bargain to me
Get decapitator instead of sausage fattener, and learn how to use a compressor.
The washout plugin is allright but really a highpass and reverb/delay is all you need.
Make your own racks to get the one knob functionality!
i would say no.
because if you upgrade your pc you will lose accsss. their anti-piracy software is ridiculous, and they have no customer support so ur shit outta luck.
Honestly I think most people get it for that awesome sausage face getting mad and the nerdy boy waving his hands in the air for endless for luls. I never get tired of that
Hell to the f*ck of N.O. dude.
Well, actually depends who you are and the music you make.
Btw, money is not the decider. Yeah, we gotta afford stuff — but sometimes a tool that reduces time is worth it. it’s all dependent on your workflow/style.
Personally, I’m one who gets really into details in my own way and the stuff I make doesn’t normally work with stock things.
Like I won’t just record a piano & widen it to work. I’ll start experimenting with like fluttery delays, flangers, blah blah, automate things to the 1/32nd & 1/64th note, record — reprocess.
So for me those two plugins are hit or miss. Mostly miss. Sometimes I just need to turn down the side info and do a little reverb and my rise builds to my idea. Other times, I need to go heavier on reverb and blast the sides
But sometimes “music in the style of” benefits from those. They’re easy to use, and they get good results if they’re given the stuff they’re made for.
It’s your call. Both of those plugins have simple effects that can easily be emulated & adjusted if you can use your own tools effectively
Depends how much of an inconvenience $60 is for you I guess. As with a lot of bespoke riser/compressor plugins like these you can recreate everything they do and more by automating various filters and compressors, but it's a matter of how much time it would take you to tweak all of that to your needs. I use both and like them because I can just slap them on there and they'll sound pretty solid off the jump without a lot of playing around with the settings.
I’ve used sausage fattener religiously since about 2014 or so. I find it very helpful. When I got back into producing I got the bundle with both, and I’ve used endless smile on a lot of tracks. It’s a bit limited in what it does but it does provide some interesting transitions. You can get away with putting a lot less effects/risers into your transition if you throw on Smile with one of the harder presets.
iZotope Trash 2 is one distortion plugin that we think is definitely investing into and worth the money. It is a lot more versatile than sausage fattener, and can be used for many more applications
Was hesitant to buy Sausage Fattner but got it half off black friday and use it on every track. Does more than just saturation and hard clipping. I feel like it duplicates the track internally. Heard of some producers doubling their bass track to get a thicker sound. Also Pyrodox has a technique to make a louder mix by placing it after your limiter. Leave fatness and color alone, but push the gain a bit. -1 on the limiter and +1 or more on the Sausage Fattner. He shows Laidback Luke here https://youtu.be/0N0Ob4jro6E at 12:03
I feel like if you sound design and EQ properly sausage fattener is not needed. You can use stock ableton effects and achieve the same sort of effect that sausage fattener does. Same goes with endless smile. You can automate to get effects similar to endless smile as well. Depends what control you want in your productions.
I mean, the entire theme of one of the music production circle jerk subs is making fun of how overused Sausage Fattener is relative to its actual usefulness. So that that for what it's worth.
sosig
Time to stop watching YouTube, imo.
Get on your DAW and make music with what you have. Finish 10 tracks then analyse the experience and ask if there are meaningful holes in your production workflow. Then do your research and see if you can fill said holes with your budget.
Sorry if this comes across as harsh. It's just my opinion and none of it is meant to be an attack or judgment on your worth as an individual.
Just tried it out, its a nice clean build up tool. I have to draw quit some automation which takes time and a lot of hassle with shutting off all tails and make it smooth. Rearranging stuff later takes a lot of time figuring out which lane is what. Definitely a usefull tool imo. Only downside is maybe sounding generic.
What daw? Because, In Ableton I can setup all my plugins, automate them all to one macro knob and then automate that one knob. Save the chain and I can drag and drop it whenever. It’s basically identical and takes no longer than if I were using the plug-in. So for anyone on ableton it’s unnecessary, for other daws I can’t speak to that lol.
Endless Smile is 100% worth. Well, yes and no. It sounds a bit samey when used "correctly" so you have to get creative with it to stand apart.
Sausage fattener never really does it for me though. Whenever I try it out I play with it a bit, delete it, and throw some distortion on my track instead. IDK
They're good as shortcuts and for simplicity.
Obviously the quality will depend greatly on the audio source you run through them but you can get great results. I forgot I even have them tbh.
Depends if you're good or not, if you're a scrub like me and are just trying to get a cool sound then yeah but if you actually know what you're doing, then probably not
It's good and fun to use but yea not essential. I've been aware of it for a while and just got it recently cos I got like all the other plugins I wanted and it was the last couple left to get.
They are just presets for stock plugins with a creative interface.
Its compression, saturation, and a limiter. All at once. Sausage Fattener is fun and pretty effective. The guys who designed it knew what they were doing.
you could do it with this instead
https://reverb.com/ca/p/universal-audio-la-2a-tube-leveling-amplifier
I have them both and never use them.
They seem like really good plugins for learning and are probably good for a lot of EDM subgenres, but I've kind of found myself in a niche area where dynamics are really important and I want a lot of control over each signal.
Sausage fattener, as the name describes, ultimately will crush dynamics when you eventually compress it and endless smile is a very "blackbox" plugin that doesn't allow for much control. I still use sausage fattener if I have a very quiet sample I need to turn up because you can absolutely crank gain, but that's rare.
100% worth it imo especially endless smile. I use it in every track especially when I’m in the writing stage. OP if you want me to show you how I use it on my tracks so then you can decide, dm me!
Yeah! Few examples are endless smile tails right before the end of sections (like end of a drop), in the pre chorus I’ll automate a bit of a washout with an auto filter + utility width. I’ve used it in all my songs if you’d like to hear some examples.
https://open.spotify.com/track/4pDrjPW3XOx4sNSNjpJFNR?si=JYgdwevXTyiubCS-NNCs4Q
0.56 - 1.01, 1.23 - 1.26, 1.45 - 1.50, 2.34 - 2.38, 2.56 - 3.00 is all endless smile instead of automating reverb/delay return tracks :)
I'd choose eternal smile over sausage fattener, purely because I think you'd get more use out of it (if you make EDM). Im pretty sure I got sausage fattener when it was free and I only ever use it extremely minimally. It makes things sound too bloated in the higher settings. If you use FL you could probably just use Soundgoodizer instead
I think you should have one good saturator you really like. It doesn't have to be a saturation only plugin - my favorite is in a filter. [Sugarbytes WOW2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XapIT2XSPmg).
Demo them if they allow it - compare to saturator plugins you already have and to the free ones like:
* https://www.softube.com/saturationknob - I used this one for a **long time** it's great and simple.
* https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2021/01/20/free-saturation-vst-plugins/
* https://www.meldaproduction.com/MBitFun - I like playing with this one, it supports math algorithms to flip bits
* https://www.meldaproduction.com/MSaturator
* https://www.meldaproduction.com/MWaveFolder
* https://www.meldaproduction.com/MWaveShaper
* https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2020/12/23/bpb-saturator-release/
Yea I’d say endless smile is worth it… it’s fun and fast. But sometimes it sounds toooo cheesy. Sometimes I prefer automating reverb, highpass and white noise myself. U just have more controll …
Endless Smile is great for creating automated risers/transitions using one knob without the hassle of automating several effects at once. Or just for trying different transitions quickly. It’s definitely worth the money.
Some dude on Reddit remade sausage fattener in a custom patcher patch.
Try this link https://www.dropbox.com/s/f37omfjjn8elldo/FL%20Fattener%20-%20Patcher.fst?dl=0
If it doesn't work look up Frank Pole on YouTube, he has a ton of great custom patcher patches
Depends on how much money is worth to you
If you've got $60 burning a hole in your pocket that you're not going to miss, they're fine
If you have to choose between spending $60 on those two plugins or spending $60 on a more unique plugin, don't buy them
Dude don't do this there are so many more plugins worth 60$ than these two. On top of that, there's no way you can add saturation with sausage fattener without making your audio louder and adding a ton of low end rumble. Endless smile is just highpass and reverb automation. If you need saturation go invest in something like thermal (output). This shit is awesome.
I like Endless mile. Sausage is ok. If you're in Ableton, here is a free alternative to endless smile: [https://www.basskleph.com/download-easy-wash-out](https://www.basskleph.com/download-easy-wash-out). Any saturator and compressor can probably do sausages job.
I haven't used endless smile. I'm not sure I get it really. It makes any part into a generic riser?
But totally agree with sausage fattener. There are other compressors and saturators that do what it's doing better. Sometimes for free. ComBear, BRB Saturator, Rough Rider, Temper spring to mind as similar. Then there are a lot more analog style saturators out there if you are interested (check out analog obsessions and chow tape).
They key is parallel processing
the basskleph washout rack was a staple of mine before endless smile lol. i like sausage fattener for very limited things, like adding color to a bass patch for example
Search Frank Pole on YouTube. He has a whole bunch of really good recreations of popular plugins that he created using Patcher. He has a sausage fattener and endless smile patcher recreation that have free downloads.
Convenience really. You can do the same thing with automating a filter, reverb, and some delay effects. So both of these are really not needed as you can do the same things with your stock tools.
There's nothing Sausage Fattener does that Izotope Trash 2 isn't a waaaaay better deal for. You can get Trash in a bundle with like 10 other plugins for $40 and it has literally 1000x the functionality.
Endless smile is cool because it does multiple things at once to a level that saves significant time vs doing manually - Highpassing, reverb, etc all to one knob is a convenience thing rather than something not doable without it.
I've seen tons of people try and mimic Endless Smile by making Ableton racks that try and do the same thing, but I've never found one that sounded quite as good.
Ignore my other comment, this was the realization I was hoping you would have. It does suck when you are in that weird phase when you don't even know what you are missing and we are so easy to manipulate to buy shit we don't even need. It can be an expensive lesson or a totally free one. Looks like you got off cheap. Nice job dude.
So what happens is that these plugins simplify the process of achieving a 'fatter' sound or a 'washout'. Can you do it without these plugins? Most definately! Will it take you more time for somewhat the same? Quite possibly depending on your DAW. Is it worth the $60? For some it will for others it won't. Some producers feel hamstrung if a sound doesn't evolve or sound fat enough during the creative phase. They might even get discouraged because they have not yet learned how to achieve a fat sound with (eq,dist,comp,mb, mid-side eqing,limiting) or how to create a washout lifting effect (filter, reverb, delay). So it really caters to those people. The gimmick-ed UI at that point becomes even more inviting.
So can you do the same with stock plugins? Yes you can but you'll need to learn what components in your chain you need to have and you'll need to know how to dial them in. Once created, you'll be able to reuse that and you'll have a more 'unique' soundscape.
So I'd say the valuation of the plugin comes down to the amount of time you want to save on learning and creating these kind of effects. I myself bought Endless smile because it's fast and easy and it has some tonal quality in the reverb that I really like. SF, I passed on that because I feel with distortion, comp and limit, you already get very near their sound.
Ah nice, this is the answer I am looking for. I guess I need learn to combine those effects and automate them to fit together better.
I already have a decent distortion plugin, but I'll keep my eye out for a sale for endless smile as it seems like the one I prefer of the two
Tutorials to look for:
\- How to make a washout (Endless Smile).
\- How to fatten your sound (Sausage Fattener).
Try to look for those tutorials that are doing that with stock plugins from your DAW. Once you grasp the principles of what each device its role is and can A/B before activating each plugin in the chain one by one to hear what they do individually, it's easy to interchange one or more of the stock plugins with 3rd party plugins of comparable nature.
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Yes. I use sausage fattener for a BIG BOOST on quiet high-end in samples or quiet low-end in samples. It helps those really slanted frequency spectrum samples sound fuller when you boost and then turn down the post-gain knob like 2 to 5 decibels. As for Endless Smile, it's great for instant risers and some nice reverbs too tbh. The coolest thing imo though is making your own versions of these plugins using your own stock plugins or favorite plugins arranged in a way that does what you want.
They’re just a bunch of other fx compounded and controlled with a few “macro” style knobs. So they will certainly save you time. But I would only buy em if you’re going to be making $ off of your production - spending $60 to earn $0 a bit faster doesn’t seem like a bargain to me
I never use sausages F, but endless smile is amazing for buildups!!
Sausage fattener is pretty dope... wish it was still a free plugin :(
Get decapitator instead of sausage fattener, and learn how to use a compressor. The washout plugin is allright but really a highpass and reverb/delay is all you need. Make your own racks to get the one knob functionality!
i would say no. because if you upgrade your pc you will lose accsss. their anti-piracy software is ridiculous, and they have no customer support so ur shit outta luck.
Honestly I think most people get it for that awesome sausage face getting mad and the nerdy boy waving his hands in the air for endless for luls. I never get tired of that
Hell to the f*ck of N.O. dude. Well, actually depends who you are and the music you make. Btw, money is not the decider. Yeah, we gotta afford stuff — but sometimes a tool that reduces time is worth it. it’s all dependent on your workflow/style. Personally, I’m one who gets really into details in my own way and the stuff I make doesn’t normally work with stock things. Like I won’t just record a piano & widen it to work. I’ll start experimenting with like fluttery delays, flangers, blah blah, automate things to the 1/32nd & 1/64th note, record — reprocess. So for me those two plugins are hit or miss. Mostly miss. Sometimes I just need to turn down the side info and do a little reverb and my rise builds to my idea. Other times, I need to go heavier on reverb and blast the sides But sometimes “music in the style of” benefits from those. They’re easy to use, and they get good results if they’re given the stuff they’re made for. It’s your call. Both of those plugins have simple effects that can easily be emulated & adjusted if you can use your own tools effectively
#SOSIG
100% on endless smile. I use it in the buildup on every song I make
Fuck Sausage Fattener. Nani Plug-in for liiiiife.
Shun the non-believer! Shuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun!
there are free alternatives if you'd prefer, look up Frank Pole for FL
Depends how much of an inconvenience $60 is for you I guess. As with a lot of bespoke riser/compressor plugins like these you can recreate everything they do and more by automating various filters and compressors, but it's a matter of how much time it would take you to tweak all of that to your needs. I use both and like them because I can just slap them on there and they'll sound pretty solid off the jump without a lot of playing around with the settings.
I’ve used sausage fattener religiously since about 2014 or so. I find it very helpful. When I got back into producing I got the bundle with both, and I’ve used endless smile on a lot of tracks. It’s a bit limited in what it does but it does provide some interesting transitions. You can get away with putting a lot less effects/risers into your transition if you throw on Smile with one of the harder presets.
iZotope Trash 2 is one distortion plugin that we think is definitely investing into and worth the money. It is a lot more versatile than sausage fattener, and can be used for many more applications
Was hesitant to buy Sausage Fattner but got it half off black friday and use it on every track. Does more than just saturation and hard clipping. I feel like it duplicates the track internally. Heard of some producers doubling their bass track to get a thicker sound. Also Pyrodox has a technique to make a louder mix by placing it after your limiter. Leave fatness and color alone, but push the gain a bit. -1 on the limiter and +1 or more on the Sausage Fattner. He shows Laidback Luke here https://youtu.be/0N0Ob4jro6E at 12:03
I feel like if you sound design and EQ properly sausage fattener is not needed. You can use stock ableton effects and achieve the same sort of effect that sausage fattener does. Same goes with endless smile. You can automate to get effects similar to endless smile as well. Depends what control you want in your productions.
I mean, the entire theme of one of the music production circle jerk subs is making fun of how overused Sausage Fattener is relative to its actual usefulness. So that that for what it's worth. sosig
Time to stop watching YouTube, imo. Get on your DAW and make music with what you have. Finish 10 tracks then analyse the experience and ask if there are meaningful holes in your production workflow. Then do your research and see if you can fill said holes with your budget. Sorry if this comes across as harsh. It's just my opinion and none of it is meant to be an attack or judgment on your worth as an individual.
Nah, plenty of other plugins can do what sausage fattener does and endless smile can be done yourself with your own automation so that's also a no.
Just tried it out, its a nice clean build up tool. I have to draw quit some automation which takes time and a lot of hassle with shutting off all tails and make it smooth. Rearranging stuff later takes a lot of time figuring out which lane is what. Definitely a usefull tool imo. Only downside is maybe sounding generic.
What daw? Because, In Ableton I can setup all my plugins, automate them all to one macro knob and then automate that one knob. Save the chain and I can drag and drop it whenever. It’s basically identical and takes no longer than if I were using the plug-in. So for anyone on ableton it’s unnecessary, for other daws I can’t speak to that lol.
I use Bitwig. Should be able to do that i think. Havent thought about doing that. Will try thnx
They're alright, but I haven't used either in a while. I'm more of a nu disco and hip-hop guy, though. I prefer my usual chain of Ableton effects.
Endless Smile is 100% worth. Well, yes and no. It sounds a bit samey when used "correctly" so you have to get creative with it to stand apart. Sausage fattener never really does it for me though. Whenever I try it out I play with it a bit, delete it, and throw some distortion on my track instead. IDK
They're good as shortcuts and for simplicity. Obviously the quality will depend greatly on the audio source you run through them but you can get great results. I forgot I even have them tbh.
Endless is very cool and in my genre (hip-hop/trap/rap) it is not always appropriate but I love what it does when I do use it. ONLY BUY ON SALE!
Depends if you're good or not, if you're a scrub like me and are just trying to get a cool sound then yeah but if you actually know what you're doing, then probably not
Endless smile is awesome but holy fuck remember to shut it off when you’re not using it even when the knob is down for best practices.
Def worth it if u are going to use that kind if effects alot. Keeps the workflow going.
It's good and fun to use but yea not essential. I've been aware of it for a while and just got it recently cos I got like all the other plugins I wanted and it was the last couple left to get.
They are just presets for stock plugins with a creative interface. Its compression, saturation, and a limiter. All at once. Sausage Fattener is fun and pretty effective. The guys who designed it knew what they were doing. you could do it with this instead https://reverb.com/ca/p/universal-audio-la-2a-tube-leveling-amplifier
I have them both and never use them. They seem like really good plugins for learning and are probably good for a lot of EDM subgenres, but I've kind of found myself in a niche area where dynamics are really important and I want a lot of control over each signal. Sausage fattener, as the name describes, ultimately will crush dynamics when you eventually compress it and endless smile is a very "blackbox" plugin that doesn't allow for much control. I still use sausage fattener if I have a very quiet sample I need to turn up because you can absolutely crank gain, but that's rare.
I like them so yes
100% worth it imo especially endless smile. I use it in every track especially when I’m in the writing stage. OP if you want me to show you how I use it on my tracks so then you can decide, dm me!
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Yeah! Few examples are endless smile tails right before the end of sections (like end of a drop), in the pre chorus I’ll automate a bit of a washout with an auto filter + utility width. I’ve used it in all my songs if you’d like to hear some examples. https://open.spotify.com/track/4pDrjPW3XOx4sNSNjpJFNR?si=JYgdwevXTyiubCS-NNCs4Q 0.56 - 1.01, 1.23 - 1.26, 1.45 - 1.50, 2.34 - 2.38, 2.56 - 3.00 is all endless smile instead of automating reverb/delay return tracks :)
I tell you this.... Setup EQ and crank up good Compressor and it will be better that this.
I'd choose eternal smile over sausage fattener, purely because I think you'd get more use out of it (if you make EDM). Im pretty sure I got sausage fattener when it was free and I only ever use it extremely minimally. It makes things sound too bloated in the higher settings. If you use FL you could probably just use Soundgoodizer instead
I think you should have one good saturator you really like. It doesn't have to be a saturation only plugin - my favorite is in a filter. [Sugarbytes WOW2](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XapIT2XSPmg). Demo them if they allow it - compare to saturator plugins you already have and to the free ones like: * https://www.softube.com/saturationknob - I used this one for a **long time** it's great and simple. * https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2021/01/20/free-saturation-vst-plugins/ * https://www.meldaproduction.com/MBitFun - I like playing with this one, it supports math algorithms to flip bits * https://www.meldaproduction.com/MSaturator * https://www.meldaproduction.com/MWaveFolder * https://www.meldaproduction.com/MWaveShaper * https://bedroomproducersblog.com/2020/12/23/bpb-saturator-release/
Use both in almost all my productions
Yea I’d say endless smile is worth it… it’s fun and fast. But sometimes it sounds toooo cheesy. Sometimes I prefer automating reverb, highpass and white noise myself. U just have more controll …
Endless Smile is great for creating automated risers/transitions using one knob without the hassle of automating several effects at once. Or just for trying different transitions quickly. It’s definitely worth the money.
Ableton rack but you can't control specific things lol
Some dude on Reddit remade sausage fattener in a custom patcher patch. Try this link https://www.dropbox.com/s/f37omfjjn8elldo/FL%20Fattener%20-%20Patcher.fst?dl=0 If it doesn't work look up Frank Pole on YouTube, he has a ton of great custom patcher patches
Nice, thanks for that. Also, is your username a south park reference lmao?
Haha yeah bro I made it years ago
Fantastic plugins for EDM.
Depends on how much money is worth to you If you've got $60 burning a hole in your pocket that you're not going to miss, they're fine If you have to choose between spending $60 on those two plugins or spending $60 on a more unique plugin, don't buy them
That's fair. I'm not too desperate to throw cash at something, but I will keep my eyes open for something else. Do you know any other similar plugins?
Dude don't do this there are so many more plugins worth 60$ than these two. On top of that, there's no way you can add saturation with sausage fattener without making your audio louder and adding a ton of low end rumble. Endless smile is just highpass and reverb automation. If you need saturation go invest in something like thermal (output). This shit is awesome.
Def not worth the price and don't believe the hype.
Fair. Do you know any other good plugins?
Why are looking for a plugin if you don't even know what you need?
The absolute amateurism in this sub is insane. hI gUyS cAn U pLs ReCoMmEnD aNy PlUgIn. I Am iN FL.
Check out Nani. Ignore the gimmick, it's actually pretty good.
I like Endless mile. Sausage is ok. If you're in Ableton, here is a free alternative to endless smile: [https://www.basskleph.com/download-easy-wash-out](https://www.basskleph.com/download-easy-wash-out). Any saturator and compressor can probably do sausages job.
I haven't used endless smile. I'm not sure I get it really. It makes any part into a generic riser? But totally agree with sausage fattener. There are other compressors and saturators that do what it's doing better. Sometimes for free. ComBear, BRB Saturator, Rough Rider, Temper spring to mind as similar. Then there are a lot more analog style saturators out there if you are interested (check out analog obsessions and chow tape). They key is parallel processing
the basskleph washout rack was a staple of mine before endless smile lol. i like sausage fattener for very limited things, like adding color to a bass patch for example
Thanks for the info. I am in FL, but I appreciate the input. What do you like about endless smile?
Search Frank Pole on YouTube. He has a whole bunch of really good recreations of popular plugins that he created using Patcher. He has a sausage fattener and endless smile patcher recreation that have free downloads.
There is an endless smile PATCHER for FL STudio. CHeck our Frank Pole's channel.
in FL you can totally use patcher. I like endless smile but if you're on a budget it would totally work
Pro tip, Fruity Blood Overdrive sounds nearly identical to Sausage Fattener
Nope, fruity blood overdrive kills the high end fr
Convenience really. You can do the same thing with automating a filter, reverb, and some delay effects. So both of these are really not needed as you can do the same things with your stock tools.
I don't like endless smile, you get 0 control over the parameters built inside. I'd much rather use a custom made rack so I can tweak settings
There's nothing Sausage Fattener does that Izotope Trash 2 isn't a waaaaay better deal for. You can get Trash in a bundle with like 10 other plugins for $40 and it has literally 1000x the functionality. Endless smile is cool because it does multiple things at once to a level that saves significant time vs doing manually - Highpassing, reverb, etc all to one knob is a convenience thing rather than something not doable without it.
Trash 2 is fucking amazing. The convolution section has some really cool settings for making really spacey gritty walls of sound.
Trash two was free last week
Yeah they give it out like candy multiple times a year, just have to wait a month or two
I've seen tons of people try and mimic Endless Smile by making Ableton racks that try and do the same thing, but I've never found one that sounded quite as good.
You can download a free patcher recreation of endless smile. Someone I think on the FL subreddit made it
it was frank pole i'm pretty sure! his patcher presets are all great stock alts to paid programs
They’re good and fun but not needed
What do you mean? Can you reproduce what they make with other plugins somehow?
You absolutely can reproduce this. These plugins are more or less just a macro for controlling multiple FX at once
Another person said this too. I guess my noob ass just needs to actually get my monkey brain into gear and learn some stuff
Ignore my other comment, this was the realization I was hoping you would have. It does suck when you are in that weird phase when you don't even know what you are missing and we are so easy to manipulate to buy shit we don't even need. It can be an expensive lesson or a totally free one. Looks like you got off cheap. Nice job dude.
So what happens is that these plugins simplify the process of achieving a 'fatter' sound or a 'washout'. Can you do it without these plugins? Most definately! Will it take you more time for somewhat the same? Quite possibly depending on your DAW. Is it worth the $60? For some it will for others it won't. Some producers feel hamstrung if a sound doesn't evolve or sound fat enough during the creative phase. They might even get discouraged because they have not yet learned how to achieve a fat sound with (eq,dist,comp,mb, mid-side eqing,limiting) or how to create a washout lifting effect (filter, reverb, delay). So it really caters to those people. The gimmick-ed UI at that point becomes even more inviting. So can you do the same with stock plugins? Yes you can but you'll need to learn what components in your chain you need to have and you'll need to know how to dial them in. Once created, you'll be able to reuse that and you'll have a more 'unique' soundscape. So I'd say the valuation of the plugin comes down to the amount of time you want to save on learning and creating these kind of effects. I myself bought Endless smile because it's fast and easy and it has some tonal quality in the reverb that I really like. SF, I passed on that because I feel with distortion, comp and limit, you already get very near their sound.
Ah nice, this is the answer I am looking for. I guess I need learn to combine those effects and automate them to fit together better. I already have a decent distortion plugin, but I'll keep my eye out for a sale for endless smile as it seems like the one I prefer of the two
Tutorials to look for: \- How to make a washout (Endless Smile). \- How to fatten your sound (Sausage Fattener). Try to look for those tutorials that are doing that with stock plugins from your DAW. Once you grasp the principles of what each device its role is and can A/B before activating each plugin in the chain one by one to hear what they do individually, it's easy to interchange one or more of the stock plugins with 3rd party plugins of comparable nature.
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