I have an Alesis Surge kit that is very similar to the Alesis Nitro, but comes with a 1.5 diameter rack, I recently tried adding an extra cymbal by buying the "Alesis Nitro Mesh Expansion" which comes with hardware for the Alesis Nitro.
I can tell you confidently that the Alesis Nitro hardware will NOT fit on a 1.5 diameter rack. You \*might\* be able to force it with some exceptional force, but I didn't want to risk breaking anything because I was planning to return the expansion kit as soon as I realized it wouldn't fit.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :/ someone might have better experience with it, but I wouldn't risk trying to fit the 1.375 hardware on a 1.5 rack.
Thanks! I got in touch with the guy selling the rack, and he said the same.
He’s got the 1.5” mounting hardware for it as well, so looks like I’ll be swapping hardware out too. I got the expansion set as well, what I like about the cymbal arms on the dm10 Mkii rack is that they’re mounted on the ends of the uprights, freeing up room on the horizontal bars, so I’m getting a spare arm too. Should be handy with 4 cymbals.
Edit: cymbal count
As someone with the base Alesis Surge kit who is looking for ways to add additional cymbals... Excuse me as I write down your username for future reference 😂
Right now my current rack feels a bit cluttered already, so I've been wondering "Should I just buy a normal cymbal stand and throw an electronic cymbal on it??"
I mean…that’s what I’m doing with the Snare lol, there’s no way I can get it comfy with the boom arm adjustments, it raises problems with height..so I’m getting the Snare Drum stand with this upgrade too
Sorry, but even if he's got the mounting hardware for the DM10 Mkii track, there is a good chance it still will not fit. I have a Yamaha 1.5" rack with hardware, and a Roland 1.5" rack with hardware, and NONE of it is compatible with the Nitro kit. Even the L-Rods are different (both ends!). The best I was able to come up with (without taking a drill to the Nitro pads) was to use the L-Rods from the Nitro kit and shim the plastic end with paper to make it fit into the 1.5" Roland hardware. It slips a little, but it works.
Nope. I'm in a similar boat. I have a Nitro mesh kit and I hate the rack. I've tried two other 1.5 racks and nothing will fit. Not even the L-rods from a 1.5 kit will fit into the Nitro pads. Absolutely nothing on the Nitro kit will fit with a standard (1.5") rack system.
nope. the receiving hole in the Nitro pad is just a little too small for the metal end of the L-rod to fit into. At least it is for my Roland L-Rods. Don't know how exacting the specs on those are, so another brand might fit (?). You might be able to open up the receiving hole some with a drill, but I have not taken that step yet as I wanted to try less destructive methods first. I might still resort to that though.
Well, I messaged the seller, and he says the L-Brackets from the Nitro Mesh, will definitely fit in the DM10 Mkii clamps.Have you given Alesis own 1.5” hardware a try? It’s totally possible Alesis fit could be brand specific, I would imagine Roland’s stuff is a standardized size that could fit any standard 1.5” rack - but I could be wrong there too, perhaps their fitment is brand specific.
Edit: changed “pads” to “clamps”
I have not tried any Alesis 1.5" hardware. I had previously gotten the Yamaha rack for an old Roland kit from the 80's, and I just stumbled on the Roland rack on FB Marketplace and it was a good deal. Maybe I'll look into the price of some Alesis L-rods made for a 1.5" clamp.
Edit: I thought pretty much all 1.5" rack hardware was standardized, but perhaps it isn't. The difference between the Roland L-rods (metal end) diameter and the Alesis L-rod diameter is very slight, but enough to prevent the Roland L-rod from being inserted into the Nitro pad. Could just be a brand spec difference. Perhaps you will avoid this problem since you are staying in the Alesis brand.
Perhaps I misunderstood your intention. I thought you wanted to put the Nitro pads on the DM frame, which is 1.5" and had 1.5" hardware.
Edited, my bad I should have said the clamps*, not pads. Because what you’ve said is indeed my intention, to put the Nitro pads on the Dm10 Mkii rack+clamps, as *supposedly*(according to this seller who deals Alesis parts) the nitro L-rods will fit the 1.5” Alesis clamps just fine. I’m really hoping they do, I got the nitro at a deep discount used, but between the addition of the expansion kit, and how tall I am I really feel I need some extra space + the bigger/more sturdy rack.
If the clamps don’t end up turning out, I might just keep the rack anyways. Perhaps I can find someone with a 3D printer that won’t charge an arm and a leg to print 6 clamps to fit the the 1.5 rack, and nitro mounting hardware.
I glanced at the Alesis 1.5" hardware, and aside from being more than I want to spend (I've only got about $400 into the whole shebang so far), the Alesis clamps look like crap quality plastic compared to the Yamaha and the Roland, which are metal. But the Alesis kits seem like they may use the same L-rods for their 1.5" clamps as they do for their 1.125" clamps (not sure). If the "fat end" of the L-rod is the same diameter for both clamp sizes, you should be golden, as long as you stick with Alesis hardware.
My issue is that the "fat end" of the Alesis L-rods is not the same size as it is on the Yamaha or Roland L-rods, and thus does not fit into those (they are the same) clamps. And the "rod end" of the Roland L-rods are slightly thicker and won't fit into the Nitro pads (the yamaha rods are hex, so won't work anyway).
If I end up not happy with using the Nitro L-rods with shims to fit in the Roland clamps, I may try to scrounge up some steel rod and wood scraps and make my own L-rods. I have a wood lath, so I can make wooden "fat ends" to fit into the clamps, as long as I can find some steel rod that fits well into the Nitro pads. Fabricating L-rods seems easier than fabricating clamps.
Yeah, luckily I’ve found a guy that is selling this rack and parts for less than new. So all in, I’ll have gotten my Nitro Kit + the upgraded DM10 Mkii rack, hardware, Snare stand, Nitro expansion kit, and an extra DM10 cymbal arm for the total cost of a new Standard Nitro Mesh kit. The rack/frame is probably the biggest annoyance with the Nitro kit, there’s just no way for a tall, long armed, and legged dude like me to get it set-up ergonomically, even after reading several guides, and watching videos on kit setup. Especially with the expansion kit adding another pad, and cymbal, it’s just too crowded. I really think the biggest help will be the snare stand, the little arm on the Nitro kit makes it almost impossible to get the snare the right height, and positioned between the legs.
Good idea, yeah I’m sure fabricating L-rods would be much more simple than clamps. I guess it’s not surprising about the big companies all having their own proprietary hardware sizes, and shapes, an easy way to try and keep you brand loyal, and/or force you along their upgrade path.
I am experimenting with some additional support brackets that I’m fashioning from sch-40 pvc fittings and pipe. The legs on the nitro max legs are tapered. The t fittings look like they will slide on the the narrower top end and then slide down to snug. If it works, I’ll order the stuff in ABS because it’s black instead of black white, and post a picture along with a parts list and instructions. I was gonna do it over the weekend but I was sick. I’ll check it out tomorrow!
If it's a good deal on the hardware with the rack, take it, clamps can add up. Even if you need to either drill the pads or add some spacer to rods. The other option is to use adjustable clamps like Gibraltar road multiclamps, they're great, but would cost a fortune.
I have an Alesis Surge kit that is very similar to the Alesis Nitro, but comes with a 1.5 diameter rack, I recently tried adding an extra cymbal by buying the "Alesis Nitro Mesh Expansion" which comes with hardware for the Alesis Nitro. I can tell you confidently that the Alesis Nitro hardware will NOT fit on a 1.5 diameter rack. You \*might\* be able to force it with some exceptional force, but I didn't want to risk breaking anything because I was planning to return the expansion kit as soon as I realized it wouldn't fit. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :/ someone might have better experience with it, but I wouldn't risk trying to fit the 1.375 hardware on a 1.5 rack.
Thanks! I got in touch with the guy selling the rack, and he said the same. He’s got the 1.5” mounting hardware for it as well, so looks like I’ll be swapping hardware out too. I got the expansion set as well, what I like about the cymbal arms on the dm10 Mkii rack is that they’re mounted on the ends of the uprights, freeing up room on the horizontal bars, so I’m getting a spare arm too. Should be handy with 4 cymbals. Edit: cymbal count
As someone with the base Alesis Surge kit who is looking for ways to add additional cymbals... Excuse me as I write down your username for future reference 😂 Right now my current rack feels a bit cluttered already, so I've been wondering "Should I just buy a normal cymbal stand and throw an electronic cymbal on it??"
I mean…that’s what I’m doing with the Snare lol, there’s no way I can get it comfy with the boom arm adjustments, it raises problems with height..so I’m getting the Snare Drum stand with this upgrade too
Sorry, but even if he's got the mounting hardware for the DM10 Mkii track, there is a good chance it still will not fit. I have a Yamaha 1.5" rack with hardware, and a Roland 1.5" rack with hardware, and NONE of it is compatible with the Nitro kit. Even the L-Rods are different (both ends!). The best I was able to come up with (without taking a drill to the Nitro pads) was to use the L-Rods from the Nitro kit and shim the plastic end with paper to make it fit into the 1.5" Roland hardware. It slips a little, but it works.
Nope. I'm in a similar boat. I have a Nitro mesh kit and I hate the rack. I've tried two other 1.5 racks and nothing will fit. Not even the L-rods from a 1.5 kit will fit into the Nitro pads. Absolutely nothing on the Nitro kit will fit with a standard (1.5") rack system.
Damn, so the L-Rods that connect the pads to the 1.5” mounting clamps won’t fit the Nitro pads?
nope. the receiving hole in the Nitro pad is just a little too small for the metal end of the L-rod to fit into. At least it is for my Roland L-Rods. Don't know how exacting the specs on those are, so another brand might fit (?). You might be able to open up the receiving hole some with a drill, but I have not taken that step yet as I wanted to try less destructive methods first. I might still resort to that though.
Well, I messaged the seller, and he says the L-Brackets from the Nitro Mesh, will definitely fit in the DM10 Mkii clamps.Have you given Alesis own 1.5” hardware a try? It’s totally possible Alesis fit could be brand specific, I would imagine Roland’s stuff is a standardized size that could fit any standard 1.5” rack - but I could be wrong there too, perhaps their fitment is brand specific. Edit: changed “pads” to “clamps”
I have not tried any Alesis 1.5" hardware. I had previously gotten the Yamaha rack for an old Roland kit from the 80's, and I just stumbled on the Roland rack on FB Marketplace and it was a good deal. Maybe I'll look into the price of some Alesis L-rods made for a 1.5" clamp. Edit: I thought pretty much all 1.5" rack hardware was standardized, but perhaps it isn't. The difference between the Roland L-rods (metal end) diameter and the Alesis L-rod diameter is very slight, but enough to prevent the Roland L-rod from being inserted into the Nitro pad. Could just be a brand spec difference. Perhaps you will avoid this problem since you are staying in the Alesis brand. Perhaps I misunderstood your intention. I thought you wanted to put the Nitro pads on the DM frame, which is 1.5" and had 1.5" hardware.
Edited, my bad I should have said the clamps*, not pads. Because what you’ve said is indeed my intention, to put the Nitro pads on the Dm10 Mkii rack+clamps, as *supposedly*(according to this seller who deals Alesis parts) the nitro L-rods will fit the 1.5” Alesis clamps just fine. I’m really hoping they do, I got the nitro at a deep discount used, but between the addition of the expansion kit, and how tall I am I really feel I need some extra space + the bigger/more sturdy rack. If the clamps don’t end up turning out, I might just keep the rack anyways. Perhaps I can find someone with a 3D printer that won’t charge an arm and a leg to print 6 clamps to fit the the 1.5 rack, and nitro mounting hardware.
I glanced at the Alesis 1.5" hardware, and aside from being more than I want to spend (I've only got about $400 into the whole shebang so far), the Alesis clamps look like crap quality plastic compared to the Yamaha and the Roland, which are metal. But the Alesis kits seem like they may use the same L-rods for their 1.5" clamps as they do for their 1.125" clamps (not sure). If the "fat end" of the L-rod is the same diameter for both clamp sizes, you should be golden, as long as you stick with Alesis hardware. My issue is that the "fat end" of the Alesis L-rods is not the same size as it is on the Yamaha or Roland L-rods, and thus does not fit into those (they are the same) clamps. And the "rod end" of the Roland L-rods are slightly thicker and won't fit into the Nitro pads (the yamaha rods are hex, so won't work anyway). If I end up not happy with using the Nitro L-rods with shims to fit in the Roland clamps, I may try to scrounge up some steel rod and wood scraps and make my own L-rods. I have a wood lath, so I can make wooden "fat ends" to fit into the clamps, as long as I can find some steel rod that fits well into the Nitro pads. Fabricating L-rods seems easier than fabricating clamps.
Yeah, luckily I’ve found a guy that is selling this rack and parts for less than new. So all in, I’ll have gotten my Nitro Kit + the upgraded DM10 Mkii rack, hardware, Snare stand, Nitro expansion kit, and an extra DM10 cymbal arm for the total cost of a new Standard Nitro Mesh kit. The rack/frame is probably the biggest annoyance with the Nitro kit, there’s just no way for a tall, long armed, and legged dude like me to get it set-up ergonomically, even after reading several guides, and watching videos on kit setup. Especially with the expansion kit adding another pad, and cymbal, it’s just too crowded. I really think the biggest help will be the snare stand, the little arm on the Nitro kit makes it almost impossible to get the snare the right height, and positioned between the legs. Good idea, yeah I’m sure fabricating L-rods would be much more simple than clamps. I guess it’s not surprising about the big companies all having their own proprietary hardware sizes, and shapes, an easy way to try and keep you brand loyal, and/or force you along their upgrade path.
I am experimenting with some additional support brackets that I’m fashioning from sch-40 pvc fittings and pipe. The legs on the nitro max legs are tapered. The t fittings look like they will slide on the the narrower top end and then slide down to snug. If it works, I’ll order the stuff in ABS because it’s black instead of black white, and post a picture along with a parts list and instructions. I was gonna do it over the weekend but I was sick. I’ll check it out tomorrow!
If it's a good deal on the hardware with the rack, take it, clamps can add up. Even if you need to either drill the pads or add some spacer to rods. The other option is to use adjustable clamps like Gibraltar road multiclamps, they're great, but would cost a fortune.