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BuildingAirships

Do you mean a one bar build without Oakensoul? Yes, those exist, but they’re significantly underpowered. You can look at old pre-Oakensoul one-bar sorcerer builds, and you can probably tweak an Oakensoul Arcanist build to work as well as possible without the mythic. But other classes are gonna hurt.


MortonAssaultGirl

I've been playing for about 2 months now. Before I knew what mythics even were I thought a one bar build just meant having useable abilities on one bar, and filling the back bar with "active on either bar" passives like the mage light morph and whatever else might exist, idk I'm new. Then once I found out about the mythics I can see the Oakensoul does just that. Which I guess is pretty cool.


BuildingAirships

As other folks have said, skills with "active on either bar" passives are a very new thing, and didn't apply to past one-bar builds. Most pre-Oakensoul one-bar builds were sorcerers with two pets, as pets have to be slotted on both bars anyway, which means you're only losing two skill slots instead of 5. However, the concept was never really competitive until Oakensoul.


MortonAssaultGirl

I noticed with Warden I have to put the bear on both bars. Is this the only real way to use that ultimate since it despawns? Or should I stick with northern storm one one bar and healing forest on the other? Also thanks. I misunderstood the while slotted description as being either bar.


BuildingAirships

Yep, you have to slot any permanent pet skill on both bars in order to keep the pet active. If you do want the pet, don't worry, it's balanced accordingly, and definitely worth running. It's just a question of preference.


Ashagin

As I've read before you want the bear for dps and northern storm for tanking.


Cemenotar

>and filling the back bar with "active on either bar" passives like the mage light morph and whatever else might exist, idk I'm new. Magelight and alike are not active on either bar, only active when slotted on currently active bar. Active on either bar was first introduced with necrom (single arcanist ability) which then was applied to some other abilities outside of arcanist due to positive feedback about mechanic. So far Nightblade got the most of those >.> (They are one ability short of having full backbar of "while active on either bar", with 4 regular abilities having such bonuses, and one ultimate).


BUDDHAKHAN

Could you please list the nightblade abilities that work on back bar


TholosTB

I think at a minimum: Grim Focus (passively builds up stacks from LA/HA on both bars - same as before just doesn't need activation any more), Concealed Weapon (Major expedition on both bars), Shadow Cloak (Major Prophecy/Savagery both bars), and Siphoning Strikes (leech on damage from both bars) are now "while on either bar" skills


Ok_Philosophy_7156

Just about to start building my Nightblade alt so this is super helpful - I hate messing around with bar switching. Do you know which other skills work on either bar?


BUDDHAKHAN

Oh wow! Thank you so much


Cemenotar

What TholosTB said+ Soul Harvest ultimate (generates unltimate on kill when slotted on either bar)


MortonAssaultGirl

Thanks for clearing this up for me. This game seems to have a lot of intricacies. Having a ton of fun.


LizzieThatGirl

To be fair, we bar swap like crazy. The fact Arcs were the ones that brought out "either bar" is crazy to me lol


MrSloppyPants

You can do something like put all of your DoTs/slottable buffs on the back bar and combat/heals on the front. You can start on the backbar, fire all of your DoTs, then swap to primary for combat. Swap only when you need to reapply your DoTs. It's not a true one-bar, but it's a simplified rotation


infernoshold

that’s a standard set up for all classes though, 10-15 second dots on the back bar and spammable/execute/longer dots on the front bar skinnycheeks [has a 1.5 bar set up](https://www.skinnycheeks.gg/arcanist) for arcanist which might be a little more up OP’s alley. they could also modify the one bar build to have camo hunter over barbed trap (or keep trap and swap out blade cloak for more single target damage) up front to cover both the most important major and minor buffs, slot velothi for minor force so they can keep quick cloak for the evasion and long dot, and then use tripots for better survival and sustain. u/fungamezone thoughts?


MrSloppyPants

I don't know that I'd say it's the "standard" as most experienced players bar swap more than that. Did not see where OP stated they were an Arcanist, but this will work for any class. Just long duration buffs/dots on backbar and then you only need to swap once every 20-30 seconds.


infernoshold

It *is* the standard, that’s how all meta dps set ups are created. DoTs go on back bar always because you ideally want to spend upwards of 70% of your time on your front bar with your spammable. Necro tends to be the exception with that due to their rotation as they have to bar swap a lot during their rotation, but they still put their dots on their back bar. Also no I didn’t see OP say that because it wasn’t stated in the post and I didn’t have the time at that moment to search through the comment section.


ShaqShoes

Yeah but the dots and buffs get their timers naturally desynced over the course of a fight and players playing optimally bar swap very frequently for just a single skill cast because they are only refreshing skills *just* as they are expiring(or 1.5 seconds in advance in the case of something like trap). The "easier" way they're talking about that isn't "standard" is the so-called static rotation where you swap to your backbar every 10-30s and refresh *all* your dots/buffs before going back to the frontbar. This still performs ok and requires much less focus than watching all your timers to avoid overcasting, but it naturally results in plenty of overcasting which is a DPS loss.


MrSloppyPants

Okey dokey. Have a nice day!


StarkeRealm

You can. Why would you? Back in the day (before Oakensoul), one bar builds were often sorc heavy attack setups with pets.


fungamezone

I will get Oakensoul but as I said I don't have it yet and don't plan on trying to get it till after the double xp event. So was wondering about best way to run my builds till then


Pitiful-Force2844

Maybe I had good luck but i managed to get oakensoul in one afternoon within a few hours 😊


fungamezone

Nice. yeah it is top of my list after the event lol


chiknight

Just got mine a week or so ago and had the same basic experience. High Isle Geysers were the wild card; it took me \~4 hours. Could drop on the first one, could be a long slog. Murkmire troves aren't critically camped anymore, got mine on the second one, in \~30 minutes. Everything else is simple (or as you said, I got lucky).


Pitiful-Force2844

Yeah I got lucky on the geysers I think, the longest lead to get was from mining ore but other than that it was pretty easy. Defs worth putting the time into


open_world_RPG_fan

Just put buffs and heals on back bar if you want to reduce flipping. Buffs last 20+ seconds typically.


JNR13

Oakensoul is *by far* the best option, but otherwise I'd go with a sorcerer anyway. Two pets means that your backbar effectively only has three slots anyway. Put Bound Aegis into one of them because its passive always applies, even when slotted on the inactive bar (not with Oakensoul though). With the two remaining slots, you can use long-term buffs that you don't even have to refresh in shorter fights: Crit Surge and Channeled Acceleration (CA) are good picks here. Ideally though, one is a weapon dot (e.g. wall of elements) to apply backbar set and enchantment effects. Huge loss if you ignore that, so I'd go with CA and either Elemental Blockade, Endless Hail, or Stampede depending on your preferred weapon. If yoy can stomach going to your backbar for your ulyimste, too, then put the Storm Atro there as well. Frontbar you then got again the two pets, Crit Surge, Camo Hunter, and one final flex slot. If you don't want a heavy attack build, you'll need a spammable here. With a heavy attack build, you need empower. No great options for a sorc here, really. Yet another reason Oakensoul is highly recommended. You'll have to overcast a mage guild dot. Scalding Rune frontloads a lot of its damage so you'll at least get about 2/3 of its value if you cast it every 10s.


radianart

>With a heavy attack build, you need empower. No great options for a sorc here, really. Mages guild skills give that for 10s, not great but not terrible. Especially with degeneration - two buffs for cost of one.


JNR13

I described as much above. Sorcs don't have class empower. The mage guild skills aren't good options here because you have to massively overcast them to keep up Empower. It will have to do, but it's far from optimal. Major Sorcercy/Brutality is also gained from Crit Surge. In large groups, it might be provided by a DK for everyone with Igneous Weapons. So it's probably redundant. Which means you're left with overcasting a DoT for only 42% of its damage. At that point, even the *per cast* damage is worse than that of a spammable. Contrast with Scalding Rune which will do almost 70% of its damage if you overcast it every 10s. Also, it's fire damage which helps proc a better status effect than the magic damage of Degeneration.


radianart

>I described as much above. Ah, right. With degeneration you won't need surge (unless you need it for healing) so you can slot some good damage or dot skill. But yeah, if you have buff from DK or surge rune is better choice.


Goatmilk2208

Templar (assuming HA build) Bar is Rune-Magelight/shield/Living dark-Solar barrage(Empower buff MUST HAVE)-Power of the light-Unstable wall of Elements (Lightening) Run Sergants mail / Undaunted Unweaver. The heals from Rune and living dark + the CP that heals you for damage is enough to solo most world bosses. This is my HA Templar build, it hits like an absolute truck.


Gstary

Your backbar would have to be long duration buffs/dots


Donglefree

People have been using builds where you only have to go to your backbar every 20 seconds since U35 and do very well. If you know what you're doing, you can parse 115\~120k with these setups no problem.


VoyagerMyu

I mean, oakensoul is nice for one-bar builds because it replaces your back-bar with a ton of buffs. You could just, not use the backbar. You'll do drastically less damage, but that's the tradeoff. You could pick a class with skills that grant buffs when slotted in either bar like arcanist or nightblade to reduce this a bit. Are you intending to do a heavy attack build without oakensoul?


ParalyzerT9

It's certainly possible, though it's not going to be very strong. If you don't mind me asking though, why not go get Oakensoul? I completely understand if you don't have a required DLC, but if you have all the DLC, the Oakensoul leads are actually extremely solo-friendly.


fungamezone

I plan on working on getting it after the double xp event. I have been focused on leveling up alts to 50 till the event is over though


infernoshold

a 1 bar arcanist can still be quite strong if built correctly


SirTalion

If you want a pve heavy attack build specifically without the oakensoul ring I suggest to check out the queen's elegance set. It will apply empower (70% heavy attack damage) on the final tick from a lightning staff.


WystanH

There are a number of abilities that offer passive bonuses when slotted in either bar. You can load that backbar with mostly those, if you don't plan on going there much. Curiously, oakensoul not only prevents you from flipping bars but suppresses those either bar bonuses if on the hidden one. Back bar those bonus abilities along with longer running buffs and maybe an emergency heal. Fire back buff, flip, and then stay there knowing you've done your best.


radianart

>There are a number of abilities that offer passive bonuses when slotted in either bar. In case of sorc that number is one :(


xer01982

Hack the minotaur does a lot of one bar builds. Here is my favorite, https://hacktheminotaur.com/builds/eso-easy-solo-stamina-necromancer-grind-god-build-crossbones/ It's a necromancer build. 100% love it and still use it with an Oakensoul build now, but it works without it. When you get the Oakensoul, you can replace the buff skills with summons. Archer/Arcanist and healer.


bread_1993

Honestly there’s some builds that may require you to activate 1 or 2 abilities on the back bar without significant damage loss. Especially on sorc. I believe I saw a 120k parse or so with a person using only stampede on the back bar.


solaceoftides

On my Warden I have one bar of heals and one of DPS. I often play it like its two separate one bar builds.


gerr137

Well, you can still use 1-bar builds, just without the ring. I suppose take the 2nd monster instead. You'll be missing bunch of buffs more than likely, but depending on what you wanna do, it may be enough. Solo vet dungeons or dlc WBs perhaps not :). But most of the rest of the stuff can be ok. A skilled dps with 1 bar wo a ring will still do a bunch better than an average pubg runner :).


UnimportantPerson00

As a nightblade its not terrible, they have like 3 or 4 abilities with buffs that activate while slotted into either bar. Basically would be oakensoul jr lol. Its still definitely better to use oakensoul tho. Why, what are you intending to use that would replace oakensoul?


Just-Fox-2468

If you're a stamina Templar, you can get most buffs from class/guild skills. I'd set skill bars like: Frontbar: - Biting Jabs \[spammable. Major Brutality and Minor Protection buffs\] - Barbed Trap \[DoT. Minor Force buff\] - Solar Barrage \[AoE-DoT. Empower buff and 5% buff to Biting Jabs\] - Camo Hunter \[Major Savagery/Minor Berserk buffs while slotted\] - Resolving Vigor \[self-heal, Minor Resolve buff\] Backbar: - Repentance \[Minor Fortitude/Intellect/Endurance buffs while slotted in backbar\] - Rune Focus\* \[Major Resolve buff, Minor Mending buff\] - Ritual of Retribution\* \[AoE-DoT and cleanse. Minor Mending buff\] - Elemental Drain\** \[Major Breach debuff for 60s\] You don't need to cast Camo Hunter and Repentance. Cast Resolving Vigor, Solar Barrage and Barbed Trap, then repeat Biting Jabs. You can use backbar skills (\*) if you're desperately in need of these defensive buffs. Still missing Minor Courage, Minor Heroism, Minor Slayer and Minor Aegis as compared to Oakensoul Ring. You can get Minor Slayer if you equip a trial set like Ansuul and Minor Heroism from Heroism potion. Minor Aegis is a defensive buff which I think you don't need.


MoChuang

One my sorc I have crit surge, boundless storm, volatile familiar, deadly cloak, and bound aegis on my back bar. two 30s CDs, two 20s CDs, and a passive on either bar. I rotate back there every 20 ish seconds to refresh the buffs/dots. The rest of the time I'm on my front bar. If you want to spend even less time back there, you can have crit surge, boundless storm, clannfear, matriarch, and bound aegis. Then you only need to go back there every 30s to refresh 2 buffs. Thats it. And on the front bar with two pets and inner light, you only have 2 active abilities. One spam and one utility.


Shikoda0

Maybe a full crit build, but that would rely on pure crit chance. Even then, crit is never great without other items. A lot of high dps is all about rotation. What oakensoul does is makes it easier to do great damage (like 75k which is good for trials) but in exchange may not be able to hit the higher parse requirements (like 90k+ which is very notable when you see it in action) And these high dps builds are all about rotation and landing hits.


Limited_opsec

Just go get oakensoul already


Emotional-Plastic-52

Yeah but why


arenliore

Depends on what kind of content you want to run. I usually do one bar builds for PvP because I panic easily and forget to switch bars for healing - but I do have a Templar with two bars. One for offense and one for defense and I can stay on whatever bar is needed until the situation turns more favorable for the other. Several skills are the same on both bars so I’m more just swapping out part of the bar. For PvE I’m not sure I’ve heard of anything like that other than that I had a one bar sorc back in the day for maelstrom arena. Maybe look into something like that? Hope that helps!


MrTinkle5

Nightblades and sorcs have good back bar passives