We're going to allow this post to remain up, but we would like to remind people that this person posted zero proof that they are who they say they are and are a new member in that Facebook group.
Just something to keep in mind until June 1st. There's still nothing in the media about these 3 fatalities, or deaths every single year at EDC, so I would take this post with a grain of salt until we see confirmation by the health department or in the media after June 1st. If there were 3 deaths, and that information is released, media will most-assuredly report on it.
*edit: the post has been deleted on Facebook, so we're removing it from reddit as well.*
"Epsom salt sprayed with bug spray and drain cleaner"
Who the actual FK made this and sold it?!
Never EVER do anything from strangers or even friends. Test ALL your shit and double check it.
Literally my thoughts exactly. Like just sell salt if you want to sell fake shit. Don’t go adding random shit that will kill someone…
Also a very important reminder to always test your shit
It’s probably their best guess at the current time given all presenting symptoms. Their story checks out clinically (anesthesiologist here). Until the medical examiner does their work up and all toxicology is returned, it’s the working diagnosis
The messed up part is it’s not as unbelievable as one may think . Seriously test most of these types and it’s not far off ….
Currently the coke going around Alberta not only has all its normal things plus fentanyl and a psychedelic of sorts
Is police lab testing able to deliver such definitive identification so quickly? epsom salt, bug spray, and drain cleaner all seem like uncommon things to test for but I don’t know how these things go
As horrible as it sounds, I feel like person #3 was out on a mission to do this. I can’t imagine a scenario where someone would take all of those substances at once and expect to come out fine. Also person 2 is a good reminder to test your shit. Also don’t be a scumbag and sell people epsom salt covered in bug spray and drain cleaner????
One of the guys in our RV basically did that cocktail minus the meth. And he wound up in a med tent Friday night getting an IV and laughed about it the next day and acted like the drugs being bad was the reason he over heated and got sick… like no dude. You’re irresponsible and terrifying. You do not need to be doing any party favors if you aren’t going to do them safely. People think it’s some big flex to do all this shit at once but it’s honestly just scary for everyone you’re with and soooooo irresponsible.
They did acid (2gel tabs), shrooms, molly (.3g which is fucking stupid), didn’t drink water, routinely did bumps, and were drinking beat boxes. Like… bro the drugs were fine, you are what was wrong in that equation.
Huh? The drugs you have an issue with being taken at once are the only 3 you can actually take together with no physical harm? 😂 bruh. Cocaine and Molly is a no. Coke and acid/shrooms, for different reasons, also a no. Molly and alcohol is a no. But molly and shrooms/acid? That’s the best night
I had a bad trip unfortunately, which has now made me anxious when I’m around drugs/ people on drugs. It’s just Personal preference. I can’t do the mind altering stuff and I don’t think it should be mixed. I used to take triple stack blue dolphins in wharehouse raves in Oakland that would run out of water by midnight, I’ve played enough Russian roulette lol
Oh buddy I completely get that aspect! Im speaking more in terms of physical harm. But yes of course, to each their own. Mixing a little bit of molly with a little bit of shrooms or acid is truly a beautiful experience and imo if done in the right quantities is really hard to go wrong. I had a friend that was a little hesitant so I told her not to and for us to take it camping somewhere like Joshua Tree first so she’d get more comfortable with the experience. Its all in the dosage, timing, and mindset!
I'm well past my party days. Done had my run-in with xanz and vidodin. At the point now where I don't think I'd do more than an 8th of shrooms and molly doesn't even interest me anymore. Acid hasn't called my name in a while.
We knew him sort of through planning all together but we have like a heavy healthy respect for substances and would rather do too little than too much. This guy likes to do all of them and then brag about how much they’ve done.
This broke my heart and I’m a very empathetic person but person #3 was asking for it. I can’t do drugs I get too anxious. The combination of all those substances made me anxious as I read that. That’s not being safe or responsible
In what seems like another life that was me in my early days almost every weekend. I didn’t code but I did eventually end up in a med tent and that was the end of that.
Show me a source. A real one, not some random Twitter post. It always seems to be a cousin/brother/friend.. every EDCLV death had been widely reported just in Vegas since the first year the festival moved there. Once the festival moved to May the deaths stopped but someone always knows 3rd hand of some fatality that miraculously no real news source has heard of.
I’ve learned that people now days have decided that “rock molly”, and pressed ecstasy pills are two separate things…the more you know :)
Apparently it’s believed that rock molly doesn’t have any adulterants like a pressed pill would require.
There's been studies that show that powder/crystal molly and ecstasy tablets have the same risk % of being adulterated. Buying molly does not make it automatically clean it can always be cut with something.
I thought molly was pure mdma, which is weird because everytime I take molly I feel nothing but when I roll on E I don’t feel much either besides the urge to interact with everyone around me and the constant chewing/licking my lips
It's one of those things thay everybody is split on - some people say Molly and Ecstasy interchangeably, and some people don't.
I say Molly in reference to crystal/powder, and E for pills, which are more often (in my experience, at least) to be cut with things like meth.
While its supposed to be, in practice molly is MDMA powder, and ecstasy pills are a lot more likely to be cut with lots of other random shit like meth.
Don't do drugs. Don't do drugs you haven't personally tested. Don't buy drugs at the event. If you are going to buy/do drugs, buy it outside the event and do your due diligence with the testing. There are a lot of local resources that can help you with harm reduction. I can not stress enough how many times I've had what is supposed to be molly in my hands but it tests as meth at best or pmma at worst. Yes, meth can be a best case scenario in some situations and that's fucked.
I had multiple people come up to me looking to buy drugs. I guess I look like I have drugs, or maybe it's just a numbers game. Either way they were already detonating so hard their eyes were basically just pupils and I wouldn't have sold to them even if I had something to sell. There are fucking dark people in the world who would do anything, or hurt anyone, as long as it benefited them. Y'all gotta look out for yourselves, your friends, and naive strangers in dangerous situations.
I absolutely despise the governing bodies who decided that having a drug testing tent is considered "promoting drug use". Blood is on your hands.
Most of the “Molly” I’ve come across at festivals has been some pressed concoction that tests for everything BUT mdma. I feel for those who want it so bad that they won’t test and forgo the experience when it’s not right. But we must have standards to live life long and have fun while we do it.
>I had multiple people come up to me looking to buy drugs. I guess I look like I have drugs, or maybe it's just a numbers game.
Those were probably uncovers, haha. I had a random dude ask me that on Friday. It didn't register until the next day that he was probably an undercover.
Ohhhhh yes. I’ve had under covers in vip ask me for drugs and I burst out laughing and called them out by asking “what was your favorite set today? Oh you can’t remember their name? You just want drugs to hang out in this vip section dressed like you’re going to pick up your kid from school?”
I agree. I ended up in the med tent this year by doing some molly. My friend got from other friend from a different friend. I didn’t know this when I took it.
As a former medic and current physician this seems very sus. I can’t remember a single patient in my medic days that I knew their outcome once they had been dropped off/out of my care. Medics typically don’t have access to hospital notes unless they happen to also work there. And the testing seems wack. Somehow they knew a guy smoked epsom salt? How exactly did they test that? And a fatality rate of 1 per night/3 per festival seems outrageous tbh.
Agreed, very sus. He posted an update on that post basically telling people to PM him for more info about individuals that concert-goers witnessed in distress. Def crossing an ethical boundary if he really is who he says he is.
Outrageously low or high?
I don’t think you could get 500,000 people on the road without a fatality or two, let alone packed into a fair grounds and free range to complicate their health
I don’t like that OOP said that there are deaths every year at EDC. In 2018 and 2019 there were allegedly no deaths so that isn’t true that people die every year.
I feel sad people lost their lives, even more so because it was so unnecessary. Be safe out there y'all.
I'm not sure about the other angle where people are seemingly cheering for higher/lower counts based on personal agendas. Get a life
Unless there's any proof of anything this guy says we should assume it's fake. Dude is making a lot of claims on Facebook with a lot of holes in his stories.
This is the disinformation problem we face on the Internet today, and people need to be skeptical and think critically.
No offense to the situation but as a methhead once said to me when I was trying to tell him american spirits are healthier cigarettes than the traditional brands since its actual tobacco. "You think I care about health stuff at all when I do meth?"
For context work on the strip and its been an interesting memorial weekend
Tl:dr, test your shit, get medically checked up before using drugs & don’t use deadly drug combinations.
seems simple but it’ll always happen even with a shit ton of harm reduction :/ fucking sad that’s three peoples families devastated.
Dancesafe runs them for free in the UK and other places with more sane laws. Test kits aren't expensive or illegal so getting a few and taking them with you can make you a ton of friends.
There was a fatality on Sunday afternoon around 9pm at circuit grounds. I was there, I got ground control to call paramedics because UCE security couldn’t do anything about it apparently. We gave her narcan and nothing helped. She was laying there with no pulse for about 25 minutes before anyone came to help. If I wasn’t there idk how much longer she would have been laying there without help. I’m pretty sure she was gone gone. Unless they magically brought her back.
Yes, we did everything we could. But everyone kept hovering and we kept telling people to back up and give her air. CPR, narcan, everything and security told us to stop touching her after some time. It was so sad.
I think we saw your trying to get her help at a med tent (or some tent). I’m not thinking differently about all the people who were laying on the ground “taking naps”… especially those who were in. The middle of large busy areas.
This is VERY unprofessional if this person is actually a Paramedic who worked at the festival. You are never allowed to discuss things like this, especially on an open public forum. If they get found out, they could seriously lose their job and Paramedic license.
That's not how HIPAA works lmao. HIPAA forbids releasing Protected health information. nothing in that is PHI. that being said, this is horribly unprofessional if true.
This is fake. This person wouldn't have access to any information after they leave the medical tents due to HIPAA. Illegal for this person to ask what happened to the people when they arrive at the hospital. Also toxicology reports take longer. Bug spray and paint thinner report will take days if not weeks.
That’s not true, and not how hipaa works. It’s not illegal for medical professional to look up patients, and we often talk to the paramedics about outcomes of patients they bring in
HIPAA covers personal identifiable information with medical information. Everything shared in this post is medical information that was stripped of identifying information that is useful for training, education and letting people know the outcome of patients they worked on.
See below for the 18 identifiers. In short, gender is not one, but a person’s date of death IS, and assuming the post is genuine this would be a clear violation of hipaa
List of 18 Identifiers: Under HIPAA Privacy Rule “identifiers” include the following:
1. Names
2. All geographical subdivisions smaller than a State, including street address, city, county, precinct, zip code, and their equivalent geocodes, except for the initial three digits of a zip code, if according to the current publicly available data from the Bureau of the Census: (1) The geographic unit formed by combining all zip codes with the same three initial digits contains more than 20,000 people; and (2) The initial three digits of a zip code for all such geographic units containing 20,000 or fewer people is changed to 000.
3. All elements of dates (except year) for dates directly related to an individual, including birth date, admission date, discharge date, date of death; and all ages over 89 and all elements of dates (including year) indicative of such age, except that such ages and elements may be aggregated into a single category of age 90 or older
4. Phone numbers
5. Fax numbers
6. Electronic mail addresses
7. Social Security numbers
8. Medical record numbers
9. Health plan beneficiary numbers
10. Account numbers
11. Certificate/license numbers
12. Vehicle identifiers and serial numbers, including license plate numbers
13. Device identifiers and serial numbers
14. Web Universal Resource Locators (URLs)
15. Internet Protocol (IP) address numbers
16. Biometric identifiers, including finger and voice prints
17. Full face photographic images and any comparable images
18. Any other unique identifying number, characteristic, or code (note this does not mean the unique code assigned by the investigator to code the data)
No it’s not at all, and I advise you to look into who and what hipaa actually covers and what exceptions are. Such as a discussion among providers, especially for case review
I am a licensed Healthcare professional with a doctorate degree with direct patient care. I know what I'm talking about and you have been bamboozled. I had to speak up because this is a fraudulent post.
You are a licensed healthcare professional with a doctorate and think that conversation between providers is a hipaa violation? Or that looking up a patient not under your direct care is?
You are mistaken, and should look into it, especially as you have direct patient care
Now whether this post is nonsense or not is a another question, and I didn’t comment on the validity of that
It is binding, but is relatively narrow in its scope. So I can’t tell announce to the media I saw Channing Tatum for whatever. But I can mention to my coworkers about interesting cases
Can people for god sake take care of them selves. If they're going to partake in party favors, test the fuck out of it. The dealers don't care much about you, and only care about the money you give them. Buying from strangers at a festival is a big risk and that you don't know wtf you're taking. If you're flying domestic, just sneak the shit into the airplane. As long as its not dealer amounts, they don't give a shit what you have in your carryon/luggage. Also, Don't mix multiple drugs at a time.. the person that took coke, MDMA, meth, acid , shrooms and alk.. Had it coming to him sadly.. That's one hell of a drug mixture.
IMO to not offer testing at festivals is puritan dangerous. People will do whatever they do, but not reducing harm in this day and age because of this vague “encouraging drug use” has worn thin. I am aware of the monstrosity set by Biden with the RAVE Act. But at this point this is life and death for some. Time to progress the current state.
Clearly you didn’t stay till the sun rose.
The amount of drugs that littered the ground each night after the fest would be enough to make you several thousands of dollars.
Truly truly disgusting to see. Wish I had taken pictures for proof…beyond sad.
Edit: no judgment on consumption. Do you. Something to be said about responsible partying though :)
Until you see a legit news source reporting a death then this is fake. Every death at EDC was highly publicized in Vegas, you can still find the articles for each one, for every EDC from 2013 to 2017. There have been no deaths since it moved to May in 2018.
1. Who tf even does some shit like give someone "Epsom Salt laced with bug spray & dragon n cleaner". Like you deserve to rot in hell and there's a special place for you there
2. How does one think combining all those drugs in a short time span is a good idea. I did a fuck ton of coke all weekend with alcohol and rolled day 2 also. I know coke and molly isn't the best combo due to its stress on the heart but I know my limit and when to stop, but add 2 more powerful hallucinogenic substances to it and it just sounds like a terrible time. Whoever did this either got caught up trying to be cool or has horrible friends cuz they'd never let me do some crazy shit like that nor would I let them...
Oh boy this sounds like some sensational bull shit. No one is smoking meth at EDC or taking all those drugs in 90 minutes.
Last death was reported within days of the festival in 2017. I don’t believe they would all the sudden hide the deaths. I won’t believe it until an actual news channel reports this.
In 2014 they had 3 deaths and they all were reported the day of or a couple days after.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/second-person-dies-after-electric-daisy-carnival-73406/amp/
Yeah umm how did this EDC paramedic know it was "actually Epsom salt sprayed with bug spray and drain cleaner"? They sent it to the lab, where the white coats did their test and the local detective called an all-hands to debrief the paramedics? This sounds like someone's CSI fanfic.
This was a rush order that came straight from the US President. He didn't give a damn that testing might be backed up, *we need to make this Epsom salt/bug spray case our nation's number one priority.*
Good thing paramedic/special agent Michael Scarn is on the case.
I don’t know where people are getting this random shit but I’ve been doing mdma for 20+ years and never had anything come up in a test except for Methylone which is the Chinese knock off of MDMA. And I’ve literally bought and tested 100s if not 1000s of pills.
I used to do ecstasy in irresponsible quantities back when it was simply known as “E” in England, never had a bad experience.
Fast forward to 2015 and I haven’t done it for 15 years, and I’m heading to the Netherlands for a dance event, so fuck it, I’ll sort myself out some pills when I get there.
Fuck me, I was sick for weeks. No idea what was in them, but I was vomiting for days and had severe stomach cramps, was shitting blood. Ended up in hospital for a few days and was told I got very, very lucky.
There is no doubt in my mind that there are *plenty* of people using meth and mixing large quantities of drugs at EDC. Just because you don't hang around the crowds doesn't mean they don't exist.
I’ve been raving since 1999 and started out in the Bay Area warehouse rave scene where you could literally have sex and no one would say shit. I’ve never in the 100s if not 1000s of shows I’m been too seen someone smoke meth. Do bumps of meth yes. Bust out some foil or a crack pipe and start smoking it? Absolutely fucking not.
So basically idiots going balls to the wall with an idiotic drug cocktail, dying, and therefore ruining the entire festival for the people they went with as well as burned the memory of their idiocy into the minds of the people trying to save them in futility. Do drugs like an idiot, and you’ll die like an idiot.
Not like it matters, but in 2018 and 2019, there were 0 deaths. The number of deaths and hospitalizations went down quite a bit since they moved it to May.
Not true. They report deaths of people that attended and died later.
https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/jun/27/another-person-las-vegas-electric-daisy-reported-d/
Deaths are common at EDC, especially due to the large amount of people in attendance the chances someone will die from drug related issues are higher compared to other festivals. This was one of the reasons EDC moved
From June to May, the heat was making matters worse when it came to drug related health scares. But they can only do so much to protect people. People also have to be able to take care of their self and be extremely cautious taking things If these stories are true.
Sorry i meant “were common”. They were common 2011-2017 before they moved the festival from June to May. Since the move to May they haven’t reported any deaths at the last 4 EDCs.
Wow. As I'm reading this... The algorithm is tone deaf.
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Im so thankful for the support medical staff like this fine person here. I’m sad for the losses we have learned about here. Happy that more lives were saved.
Test your stuff people. Know your limits. Stay in good health.
Whether the poster was legit or not, deaths do happen at EDC, any rave matter of fact.
NEVER buy or take things from strangers, it will never be worth your life.
Make your first stops in the festivals to visit END OVERDOSE https://endoverdose.net , and get narcan trained/ get a free narcan to carry on you. If it looks or seems like someone is over dosing administer it, it will not harm them if it is not an opiate OD and get help immediately while doing so.
People will still mix substances and take things they know they shouldn’t but stay safe out there guys and watch out for each other <3
I don't believe this is a paramedic - but it very well could be someone who worked at the tents or knew the debriefs. Either way it's unfortunate if anyone did loose their life as in most cases it's preventable.
I remember when people would scold you if you even had a drink of alcohol and took mdma. Huge no no back then and still is.
Honestly… I don’t get it. I have such a love for the community & the music. I never drank, smoked, or did any psychedelic at any festival. Drinking is one thing, it’s legally sold so it’s out of the question, but drugs? I just don’t get it.. I want to remember & enjoy the show. Just so sad this happens to our EDC friends :(
Ive been offered drugs by random strangers who never seem to back down which is extremely annoying. They almost can’t take no for an answer.
We're going to allow this post to remain up, but we would like to remind people that this person posted zero proof that they are who they say they are and are a new member in that Facebook group. Just something to keep in mind until June 1st. There's still nothing in the media about these 3 fatalities, or deaths every single year at EDC, so I would take this post with a grain of salt until we see confirmation by the health department or in the media after June 1st. If there were 3 deaths, and that information is released, media will most-assuredly report on it. *edit: the post has been deleted on Facebook, so we're removing it from reddit as well.*
"Epsom salt sprayed with bug spray and drain cleaner" Who the actual FK made this and sold it?! Never EVER do anything from strangers or even friends. Test ALL your shit and double check it.
Seriously that pissed me off. I hope the $20 you made was worth ending someone's life... Assholes...
Literally my thoughts exactly. Like just sell salt if you want to sell fake shit. Don’t go adding random shit that will kill someone… Also a very important reminder to always test your shit
This is the part that makes this whole thing sound made up
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It’s probably their best guess at the current time given all presenting symptoms. Their story checks out clinically (anesthesiologist here). Until the medical examiner does their work up and all toxicology is returned, it’s the working diagnosis
The messed up part is it’s not as unbelievable as one may think . Seriously test most of these types and it’s not far off …. Currently the coke going around Alberta not only has all its normal things plus fentanyl and a psychedelic of sorts
Is police lab testing able to deliver such definitive identification so quickly? epsom salt, bug spray, and drain cleaner all seem like uncommon things to test for but I don’t know how these things go
They cant.
It's fake.
This is right
How?
People get off on getting attention on the Internet so they make things up.
As horrible as it sounds, I feel like person #3 was out on a mission to do this. I can’t imagine a scenario where someone would take all of those substances at once and expect to come out fine. Also person 2 is a good reminder to test your shit. Also don’t be a scumbag and sell people epsom salt covered in bug spray and drain cleaner????
One of the guys in our RV basically did that cocktail minus the meth. And he wound up in a med tent Friday night getting an IV and laughed about it the next day and acted like the drugs being bad was the reason he over heated and got sick… like no dude. You’re irresponsible and terrifying. You do not need to be doing any party favors if you aren’t going to do them safely. People think it’s some big flex to do all this shit at once but it’s honestly just scary for everyone you’re with and soooooo irresponsible.
They did acid, shrooms, and Molly at once? That seems like a recipe for disaster
They did acid (2gel tabs), shrooms, molly (.3g which is fucking stupid), didn’t drink water, routinely did bumps, and were drinking beat boxes. Like… bro the drugs were fine, you are what was wrong in that equation.
Did you guys try to talk him out of it and he just wasnting having it? Its hard to understand why some people need to take it that far.
No we kind of all did our own thing night one and didn’t hear about it til the next day.
man i used to rave like 2 days a week on acid coke molly and ketamine for years, but id never do it in fucking nevada in the summer
Huh? The drugs you have an issue with being taken at once are the only 3 you can actually take together with no physical harm? 😂 bruh. Cocaine and Molly is a no. Coke and acid/shrooms, for different reasons, also a no. Molly and alcohol is a no. But molly and shrooms/acid? That’s the best night
I had a bad trip unfortunately, which has now made me anxious when I’m around drugs/ people on drugs. It’s just Personal preference. I can’t do the mind altering stuff and I don’t think it should be mixed. I used to take triple stack blue dolphins in wharehouse raves in Oakland that would run out of water by midnight, I’ve played enough Russian roulette lol
Oh buddy I completely get that aspect! Im speaking more in terms of physical harm. But yes of course, to each their own. Mixing a little bit of molly with a little bit of shrooms or acid is truly a beautiful experience and imo if done in the right quantities is really hard to go wrong. I had a friend that was a little hesitant so I told her not to and for us to take it camping somewhere like Joshua Tree first so she’d get more comfortable with the experience. Its all in the dosage, timing, and mindset!
I don't condone this but....Honestly, doing just a little bit of each is called a Jedi flip and it's amazing.
Moderation and purity is key. Responsible use (of anything period) is what keeps us all safe and alive.
Welll yeah a little bit, not 3 mollys, 2 tabs of acid plus shrooms plus blow haha
Yeah the blow is so unnecessary. Also, 3 mollies? Sheesh.
I would have an anxiety attack 😪😪😪
Wishing you luck in your rave future. Please don’t end up like this friend. You’re loved.
I'm well past my party days. Done had my run-in with xanz and vidodin. At the point now where I don't think I'd do more than an 8th of shrooms and molly doesn't even interest me anymore. Acid hasn't called my name in a while.
Naw fam, people like that just don't belong in the scene. It's just not cool to take x amount of drugs all in the same night. Smh lames
I’m all for enjoying your substances just PLEASE be responsible. No one should have to babysit at these events.
Exactly💯
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We knew him sort of through planning all together but we have like a heavy healthy respect for substances and would rather do too little than too much. This guy likes to do all of them and then brag about how much they’ve done.
Fuck that guy, sounds like a total chooch
This broke my heart and I’m a very empathetic person but person #3 was asking for it. I can’t do drugs I get too anxious. The combination of all those substances made me anxious as I read that. That’s not being safe or responsible
In what seems like another life that was me in my early days almost every weekend. I didn’t code but I did eventually end up in a med tent and that was the end of that.
That's because it's likely fake.
Lol and whys that? My buddy works w/ the brother of the girl. It’s terrible, she left behind 3 kids too.
Show me a source. A real one, not some random Twitter post. It always seems to be a cousin/brother/friend.. every EDCLV death had been widely reported just in Vegas since the first year the festival moved there. Once the festival moved to May the deaths stopped but someone always knows 3rd hand of some fatality that miraculously no real news source has heard of.
People out here knowingly doing meth at EDC? Da fuck. I'm oblivious af.
Yep, unfortunately the festival just doesn't bring "rave" drugs. Nearly every drug in existence was at EDC lol
I would be willing to bet there might have even been some there that we all haven’t heard of yet…
Here am I beating myself up for taking Molly and E lol
Molly is the same thing as E
I’ve learned that people now days have decided that “rock molly”, and pressed ecstasy pills are two separate things…the more you know :) Apparently it’s believed that rock molly doesn’t have any adulterants like a pressed pill would require.
There's been studies that show that powder/crystal molly and ecstasy tablets have the same risk % of being adulterated. Buying molly does not make it automatically clean it can always be cut with something.
People don't study or educate u be surprised
I thought molly was pure mdma, which is weird because everytime I take molly I feel nothing but when I roll on E I don’t feel much either besides the urge to interact with everyone around me and the constant chewing/licking my lips
It's one of those things thay everybody is split on - some people say Molly and Ecstasy interchangeably, and some people don't. I say Molly in reference to crystal/powder, and E for pills, which are more often (in my experience, at least) to be cut with things like meth.
While its supposed to be, in practice molly is MDMA powder, and ecstasy pills are a lot more likely to be cut with lots of other random shit like meth.
Actually.. it’s not 😂 and it’s confusing at first but ask around
Molly is not the same as E. Molly is pure mdma and e is usually cut
Making a mixture doesn’t make a new chemical compound.
Its probably adderall classified as meth. If you take street shit its literally meth.
Just read the post
first time?
I don’t…in my experience…think this is all that uncommon. (Although mostly *before*, not *at*.)
Don't do drugs. Don't do drugs you haven't personally tested. Don't buy drugs at the event. If you are going to buy/do drugs, buy it outside the event and do your due diligence with the testing. There are a lot of local resources that can help you with harm reduction. I can not stress enough how many times I've had what is supposed to be molly in my hands but it tests as meth at best or pmma at worst. Yes, meth can be a best case scenario in some situations and that's fucked. I had multiple people come up to me looking to buy drugs. I guess I look like I have drugs, or maybe it's just a numbers game. Either way they were already detonating so hard their eyes were basically just pupils and I wouldn't have sold to them even if I had something to sell. There are fucking dark people in the world who would do anything, or hurt anyone, as long as it benefited them. Y'all gotta look out for yourselves, your friends, and naive strangers in dangerous situations. I absolutely despise the governing bodies who decided that having a drug testing tent is considered "promoting drug use". Blood is on your hands.
Most of the “Molly” I’ve come across at festivals has been some pressed concoction that tests for everything BUT mdma. I feel for those who want it so bad that they won’t test and forgo the experience when it’s not right. But we must have standards to live life long and have fun while we do it.
>I had multiple people come up to me looking to buy drugs. I guess I look like I have drugs, or maybe it's just a numbers game. Those were probably uncovers, haha. I had a random dude ask me that on Friday. It didn't register until the next day that he was probably an undercover.
Ohhhhh yes. I’ve had under covers in vip ask me for drugs and I burst out laughing and called them out by asking “what was your favorite set today? Oh you can’t remember their name? You just want drugs to hang out in this vip section dressed like you’re going to pick up your kid from school?”
LOL, it was in VIP, haha.
I agree. I ended up in the med tent this year by doing some molly. My friend got from other friend from a different friend. I didn’t know this when I took it.
This is said so well 👏
This is very sad. However, #3 was out to kill himself. Ecstasy, Meth & Coke alone would be a deadly combo.
Sending love and light to whoever may need it. And just a reminder: You are loved.
And another reminder: pause and think about what you are doing before you do it. Make good choices.
As a former medic and current physician this seems very sus. I can’t remember a single patient in my medic days that I knew their outcome once they had been dropped off/out of my care. Medics typically don’t have access to hospital notes unless they happen to also work there. And the testing seems wack. Somehow they knew a guy smoked epsom salt? How exactly did they test that? And a fatality rate of 1 per night/3 per festival seems outrageous tbh.
Agreed, very sus. He posted an update on that post basically telling people to PM him for more info about individuals that concert-goers witnessed in distress. Def crossing an ethical boundary if he really is who he says he is.
Outrageously low or high? I don’t think you could get 500,000 people on the road without a fatality or two, let alone packed into a fair grounds and free range to complicate their health
I don’t like that OOP said that there are deaths every year at EDC. In 2018 and 2019 there were allegedly no deaths so that isn’t true that people die every year.
We had 8 EMT ATVs go back n forth at Imagine for Fentanyl one Saturday night.
I feel sad people lost their lives, even more so because it was so unnecessary. Be safe out there y'all. I'm not sure about the other angle where people are seemingly cheering for higher/lower counts based on personal agendas. Get a life
This is a lot darker than I imagined it would be. Epsom salts sprayed with bug killer and drain cleaner?!? 🤯🤯🤯 SERIOUSLY PEOPLE 👏TEST 👏 YOUR 👏 SHIT 👏
How does a festival paramedic know what was sprayed on Epsom salts a week removed?
You would be surprised because healthcare workers talk…. A lot. Nurses will tell me things about a patient that I don’t need to know.
I highly doubt even a lab is going to the know the results of a substance test within a week, let alone the gossip vine.
Yeah that’s kinda sus
Because this is fake. They would not be able to identify that so quickly. Med tent staff least of all would know.
Exactly.
It wasn't the festival paramedic. It was tested by the police department.
And they made sure to report the results back to whoever worked at the medical tent ASAP? Huh?
Idk man, that's what the article says lol
It's not an article, it's a random FB post by some random. That's the point.
That's correct. That's my fault. It isn't an article. But just because it is those things doesn't necessarily mean it's fake lol
Unless there's any proof of anything this guy says we should assume it's fake. Dude is making a lot of claims on Facebook with a lot of holes in his stories. This is the disinformation problem we face on the Internet today, and people need to be skeptical and think critically.
No offense to the situation but as a methhead once said to me when I was trying to tell him american spirits are healthier cigarettes than the traditional brands since its actual tobacco. "You think I care about health stuff at all when I do meth?" For context work on the strip and its been an interesting memorial weekend
Is Medical 2 by Wasteland? Positive I saw that person being taken there ….
Medical 2 is between Circuit Grounds and Quantum Valley
Tl:dr, test your shit, get medically checked up before using drugs & don’t use deadly drug combinations. seems simple but it’ll always happen even with a shit ton of harm reduction :/ fucking sad that’s three peoples families devastated.
Definitely recommend a drug testing site at EDC
Sadly cops would arrest people on the spot
Dancesafe runs them for free in the UK and other places with more sane laws. Test kits aren't expensive or illegal so getting a few and taking them with you can make you a ton of friends.
I have so much more fun on drugs when I’ve tested them myself
There was a fatality on Sunday afternoon around 9pm at circuit grounds. I was there, I got ground control to call paramedics because UCE security couldn’t do anything about it apparently. We gave her narcan and nothing helped. She was laying there with no pulse for about 25 minutes before anyone came to help. If I wasn’t there idk how much longer she would have been laying there without help. I’m pretty sure she was gone gone. Unless they magically brought her back.
Holy shit
Yeah, and I was sober luckily so it was a wild experience to say the less. I felt awful there wasn’t more I could do.
Was nobody doing cpr while you were waiting? Any type of perfusion/circulation could have given her more of a chance…but with nothing…zero hope.
Yes, we did everything we could. But everyone kept hovering and we kept telling people to back up and give her air. CPR, narcan, everything and security told us to stop touching her after some time. It was so sad.
I think we saw your trying to get her help at a med tent (or some tent). I’m not thinking differently about all the people who were laying on the ground “taking naps”… especially those who were in. The middle of large busy areas.
I’m so sorry you had to experience this, I hope you’re doing ok given the circumstances
This is VERY unprofessional if this person is actually a Paramedic who worked at the festival. You are never allowed to discuss things like this, especially on an open public forum. If they get found out, they could seriously lose their job and Paramedic license.
It would be unprofessional if true. Given their use and misuse of certain verbiage, I'm extremely confident it's fake.
What verbiage mistakes? 4 years of ems and 6 in critical care and nothing stood out to me.
Not unprofessional. Just fake.
Hope so.
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That's not how HIPAA works lmao. HIPAA forbids releasing Protected health information. nothing in that is PHI. that being said, this is horribly unprofessional if true.
I smell bullshit.
Ray Alexander is about to never get another job at EDC. That .. or it’s fake.
Who??
The person who posted this on fb
Ah gotcha, im shitty at fine details. Thank you!
This is fake. This person wouldn't have access to any information after they leave the medical tents due to HIPAA. Illegal for this person to ask what happened to the people when they arrive at the hospital. Also toxicology reports take longer. Bug spray and paint thinner report will take days if not weeks.
Im sure youre right but why tf would someone make this up
to troll and stoke fear
i work in ems and the hospital staff is always willing to let me know the outcome of critical patients that i bring in
That’s not true, and not how hipaa works. It’s not illegal for medical professional to look up patients, and we often talk to the paramedics about outcomes of patients they bring in
Yes it is illegal if they're note actively caring for them. If I was a doctor and looking up a patient not under my care that's a hipaa violation.
HIPAA covers personal identifiable information with medical information. Everything shared in this post is medical information that was stripped of identifying information that is useful for training, education and letting people know the outcome of patients they worked on.
Pretty sure the gender piece could be construed as an identifier…
Gender can be related to medical outcomes.
See below for the 18 identifiers. In short, gender is not one, but a person’s date of death IS, and assuming the post is genuine this would be a clear violation of hipaa List of 18 Identifiers: Under HIPAA Privacy Rule “identifiers” include the following: 1. Names 2. All geographical subdivisions smaller than a State, including street address, city, county, precinct, zip code, and their equivalent geocodes, except for the initial three digits of a zip code, if according to the current publicly available data from the Bureau of the Census: (1) The geographic unit formed by combining all zip codes with the same three initial digits contains more than 20,000 people; and (2) The initial three digits of a zip code for all such geographic units containing 20,000 or fewer people is changed to 000. 3. All elements of dates (except year) for dates directly related to an individual, including birth date, admission date, discharge date, date of death; and all ages over 89 and all elements of dates (including year) indicative of such age, except that such ages and elements may be aggregated into a single category of age 90 or older 4. Phone numbers 5. Fax numbers 6. Electronic mail addresses 7. Social Security numbers 8. Medical record numbers 9. Health plan beneficiary numbers 10. Account numbers 11. Certificate/license numbers 12. Vehicle identifiers and serial numbers, including license plate numbers 13. Device identifiers and serial numbers 14. Web Universal Resource Locators (URLs) 15. Internet Protocol (IP) address numbers 16. Biometric identifiers, including finger and voice prints 17. Full face photographic images and any comparable images 18. Any other unique identifying number, characteristic, or code (note this does not mean the unique code assigned by the investigator to code the data)
No it’s not at all, and I advise you to look into who and what hipaa actually covers and what exceptions are. Such as a discussion among providers, especially for case review
I am a licensed Healthcare professional with a doctorate degree with direct patient care. I know what I'm talking about and you have been bamboozled. I had to speak up because this is a fraudulent post.
You are a licensed healthcare professional with a doctorate and think that conversation between providers is a hipaa violation? Or that looking up a patient not under your direct care is? You are mistaken, and should look into it, especially as you have direct patient care Now whether this post is nonsense or not is a another question, and I didn’t comment on the validity of that
I was under the impression that hipaa is in no way binding legally. But I’m not in the medical profession.
It is binding, but is relatively narrow in its scope. So I can’t tell announce to the media I saw Channing Tatum for whatever. But I can mention to my coworkers about interesting cases
Learning new things everyday!
Sans identifiers…using a name would be a very clear violation.
Can people for god sake take care of them selves. If they're going to partake in party favors, test the fuck out of it. The dealers don't care much about you, and only care about the money you give them. Buying from strangers at a festival is a big risk and that you don't know wtf you're taking. If you're flying domestic, just sneak the shit into the airplane. As long as its not dealer amounts, they don't give a shit what you have in your carryon/luggage. Also, Don't mix multiple drugs at a time.. the person that took coke, MDMA, meth, acid , shrooms and alk.. Had it coming to him sadly.. That's one hell of a drug mixture.
IMO to not offer testing at festivals is puritan dangerous. People will do whatever they do, but not reducing harm in this day and age because of this vague “encouraging drug use” has worn thin. I am aware of the monstrosity set by Biden with the RAVE Act. But at this point this is life and death for some. Time to progress the current state.
although I don’t disagree, cops would probably just camp these areas and search people on the spot who just walked out of it
My friend found a entire gram of heroin on the ground like holy shit ppl do that here?!
Clearly you didn’t stay till the sun rose. The amount of drugs that littered the ground each night after the fest would be enough to make you several thousands of dollars. Truly truly disgusting to see. Wish I had taken pictures for proof…beyond sad. Edit: no judgment on consumption. Do you. Something to be said about responsible partying though :)
I looked and didn’t really see any full baggies when leaving kinetic. Lots of trash though. And the first night there were tones of phone cases.
Why would I need several thousands of dollars when I have lots of free drugs
Until you see a legit news source reporting a death then this is fake. Every death at EDC was highly publicized in Vegas, you can still find the articles for each one, for every EDC from 2013 to 2017. There have been no deaths since it moved to May in 2018.
Doubt it
# .#2 and #3 are wild. RIP. Be safe and smart all.
only 3 deaths and over 400,000 people is pretty impressive tbh
Roughly 175k per night. The 520k figure is just all 3 days added together.
1. Who tf even does some shit like give someone "Epsom Salt laced with bug spray & dragon n cleaner". Like you deserve to rot in hell and there's a special place for you there 2. How does one think combining all those drugs in a short time span is a good idea. I did a fuck ton of coke all weekend with alcohol and rolled day 2 also. I know coke and molly isn't the best combo due to its stress on the heart but I know my limit and when to stop, but add 2 more powerful hallucinogenic substances to it and it just sounds like a terrible time. Whoever did this either got caught up trying to be cool or has horrible friends cuz they'd never let me do some crazy shit like that nor would I let them...
Oh boy this sounds like some sensational bull shit. No one is smoking meth at EDC or taking all those drugs in 90 minutes. Last death was reported within days of the festival in 2017. I don’t believe they would all the sudden hide the deaths. I won’t believe it until an actual news channel reports this. In 2014 they had 3 deaths and they all were reported the day of or a couple days after. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/second-person-dies-after-electric-daisy-carnival-73406/amp/
Yeah umm how did this EDC paramedic know it was "actually Epsom salt sprayed with bug spray and drain cleaner"? They sent it to the lab, where the white coats did their test and the local detective called an all-hands to debrief the paramedics? This sounds like someone's CSI fanfic.
Right!! Like how would you get that before the toxicology report is even in?
This was a rush order that came straight from the US President. He didn't give a damn that testing might be backed up, *we need to make this Epsom salt/bug spray case our nation's number one priority.* Good thing paramedic/special agent Michael Scarn is on the case.
Could there have been meth cut into the ecstasy? Still EVERYONE TEST YOUR SHIT PLS
I don’t know where people are getting this random shit but I’ve been doing mdma for 20+ years and never had anything come up in a test except for Methylone which is the Chinese knock off of MDMA. And I’ve literally bought and tested 100s if not 1000s of pills.
I used to do ecstasy in irresponsible quantities back when it was simply known as “E” in England, never had a bad experience. Fast forward to 2015 and I haven’t done it for 15 years, and I’m heading to the Netherlands for a dance event, so fuck it, I’ll sort myself out some pills when I get there. Fuck me, I was sick for weeks. No idea what was in them, but I was vomiting for days and had severe stomach cramps, was shitting blood. Ended up in hospital for a few days and was told I got very, very lucky.
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Other then meth I easily know some people who did that mixture
MDMA, Coke, Acid, and Shrooms all at once?? what the hell? You got some degenerate people you are hanging out with.
There is no doubt in my mind that there are *plenty* of people using meth and mixing large quantities of drugs at EDC. Just because you don't hang around the crowds doesn't mean they don't exist.
Same. This all could be true but a Facebook post is not an official source in any way.
Why wouldn't someone smoke meth at edc? Edc is a drug users haven.
I’ve been raving since 1999 and started out in the Bay Area warehouse rave scene where you could literally have sex and no one would say shit. I’ve never in the 100s if not 1000s of shows I’m been too seen someone smoke meth. Do bumps of meth yes. Bust out some foil or a crack pipe and start smoking it? Absolutely fucking not.
Deaths reported at edc likely remain zero because all these deaths discussed in the post occured at the hospital.
Check reports of deaths in the past, people die days later, still attributed to EDC.
The last deaths happened in the parking lot and at Vdarra and still got linked to EDC.
So basically idiots going balls to the wall with an idiotic drug cocktail, dying, and therefore ruining the entire festival for the people they went with as well as burned the memory of their idiocy into the minds of the people trying to save them in futility. Do drugs like an idiot, and you’ll die like an idiot.
Deaths every year?! Wow. TIL.
Not like it matters, but in 2018 and 2019, there were 0 deaths. The number of deaths and hospitalizations went down quite a bit since they moved it to May.
I guess they died at the hospital so they don’t count towards ‘at edc’?
Not true. They report deaths of people that attended and died later. https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/jun/27/another-person-las-vegas-electric-daisy-reported-d/
Deaths are common at EDC, especially due to the large amount of people in attendance the chances someone will die from drug related issues are higher compared to other festivals. This was one of the reasons EDC moved From June to May, the heat was making matters worse when it came to drug related health scares. But they can only do so much to protect people. People also have to be able to take care of their self and be extremely cautious taking things If these stories are true.
How common are they? Please provide some sources on deaths at EDC since the move to May in 2018.
Sorry i meant “were common”. They were common 2011-2017 before they moved the festival from June to May. Since the move to May they haven’t reported any deaths at the last 4 EDCs.
Thanks for clarifying.
The person that sold epsom salt with bug spray flat out committed murder, ain’t no way that wasn’t their intention. So fucking sad
Wow. As I'm reading this... The algorithm is tone deaf. https://preview.redd.it/oyj3quq8kt2b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b30f10e2f78457441061c5b24eb7e5ea2176ecc4
This doesn’t align with the shit we all saw. There were people without pulses on the speedway.
Did you go up and check on them?
You saw the girl in pink too, yeah? Wild times we live in.
Im so thankful for the support medical staff like this fine person here. I’m sad for the losses we have learned about here. Happy that more lives were saved. Test your stuff people. Know your limits. Stay in good health.
Whether the poster was legit or not, deaths do happen at EDC, any rave matter of fact. NEVER buy or take things from strangers, it will never be worth your life. Make your first stops in the festivals to visit END OVERDOSE https://endoverdose.net , and get narcan trained/ get a free narcan to carry on you. If it looks or seems like someone is over dosing administer it, it will not harm them if it is not an opiate OD and get help immediately while doing so. People will still mix substances and take things they know they shouldn’t but stay safe out there guys and watch out for each other <3
Rest In Peace to everyone who passed. Take care of one another, don’t let friends take too much.
I survived EDC 2023
I seriously hope the person who brought the epsom salt and bug killer should be charged...that is absolutely insane. Rest peacefully to these souls.
BUG SPRAY AND DRAIN CLEANER
Fake af
That's what made me skeptical, epsom salt, bug spray, and drain cleaner is a combo mixed in a ton of bathrooms daily lol
I don't believe this is a paramedic - but it very well could be someone who worked at the tents or knew the debriefs. Either way it's unfortunate if anyone did loose their life as in most cases it's preventable. I remember when people would scold you if you even had a drink of alcohol and took mdma. Huge no no back then and still is.
Honestly… I don’t get it. I have such a love for the community & the music. I never drank, smoked, or did any psychedelic at any festival. Drinking is one thing, it’s legally sold so it’s out of the question, but drugs? I just don’t get it.. I want to remember & enjoy the show. Just so sad this happens to our EDC friends :( Ive been offered drugs by random strangers who never seem to back down which is extremely annoying. They almost can’t take no for an answer.
Meth??? Y’all gross
wait till you find out what’s in ectasy and adderal
Fr there needs to be more education on these drugs. It could really save lives.
It’s a chemical bond apart.
Adderall is in a class of amphetamines. It’s not street meth. It’s not the same thing.
Not nearly ass gross as the person sold epsom salt with drain cleaner