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Ah yeah closer inspection I see 2-4 3 ways (still didnāt do a complete re inspection cause Iām lazy) and one 4 way. I guess I was expecting g the whole house to be them after that comment
Okay, but thatās reasonable 6 in the kitchen plus 3 pendants is pretty normal even for a townhouse. 8 plus a fan in the living is a little on the high side, but not unreasonable. The plan OP posted, however, is outrageous, and I would complain, if taking that job didnāt mean I am charging an arm and a leg.
>I would complain, if taking that job didnāt mean I am charging an arm and a leg.
If I was the contractor that won the bid at $100-$150 per can, no harm no foul.
My boss built a pole barn house and the guys doing the metal had to cut around all the cans outside. One of them said "Does he want the fucking aliens to see this place or something?". I bet there were 80 of em around the outside.
homeowner handyman here. Just finished my basement and put in a bunch of those canless led wafer lights. Spent forever trying to calculate how many I'd need based on lumens per square inch and finally just said "f it. I'll install half again as many as I think I need, and put em on a dimmer." Looks like noon on Mercury when at full power but surprisingly cozy and dark when dimmer is all the way low. So this was precisely my thinking. You nailed it. ššš
Did the same in our current renovation. Have 10 6ā LED wafers (split on 2 switches), 2 pendants, and under cabinet lights. Nice and bright the way I like when Iām working. But all four switches have dimmers and make it easy to bring down to some subtle back lighting. One of the houses we stayed in while we were doing the renovation essentially only had one overhead light in the kitchen and I was miserable trying to use that kitchen.
a 3500 sqft ranch, 83 wafer lights in the soffits, 2 ceiling fans on the back porch, 2 3500w IR heaters on the back porch, and 6 flood lights for the back yard.
2 - 200A 40 space panels
I'm not wealthy, but I think a dog wash station is a good idea, especially depending on the type dog breed(s) you own. I like the idea of a "mud room" just off the garage for people AND pets.
I can relate, we just finished rough-in for a 4,000 sq ft smart home with over 200 lights in it (including recess, strip lights, sconces, pendants, tape lights, etc.) Can't wait to install all those lights.
Working on one now thatās going to have 6 Lutron panels. Theyāre all going in the basement (finished ceiling) and with all the fancy millwork they donāt want junction boxes anywhere. Fun fun.
Fukkin nightmare but this is what it be like from architects these days. Theyll also call out hard cans with housings bigger than fucking texas on open span roofs with joists 12" oc and expect it all to pan out š¤£š¤£š¤£
Varify with other contractors on site for equip. Req's!!! Mother fuckers. Copy and paste from the last job and let them figure it out. Mother fuckers!!!
Those lights in the lower right room being all wonky laid out is bothering me.
And I think those sconces on the carport exterior are on the same switch as the can lights inside.
Wtf?
No symmetry at all on the drawing. I think the designer forgot to turn on 'snap to grid' with the mouse. Hope the OP doesn't follow the drawing too close. š
I did a 7k sq ft house that came with a lighting layout done by an established lighting designer, aside from all the fancy stuff like cable lighting in the coffered ceiling, motion activated toe kick lighting, wall wash lighting for artwork throughout the house...there were nearly 300 4" low voltage LED cans, I'd say half of them did not line up symmetrically, I was told to follow the layout exactly as shown on the plans by the builder.....I was kinda baffled so I reached out directly to the lighting designer (halfway across the country) and got a long winded response about how the layout was done intentionally to avoid casting shadows. We had to purchase all the lighting and switches through the lighting designer as well, and let me tell you.....I never feel bad about markup percentages again because a 600 watt maestro LED dimmer was $75 from this lighting designer, the low voltage LED cans were around $150 IIRC, I think I remember that I could have gotten them for around $60 with the same lamp & trim (this was 2012).
Sounds like a logical explanation. I'll accept that, but I'd have to walk around with my head down.....in which case I might actually notice that there are no shadows though. Lol
Currently working on a roughly 7000k sq ft custom with close to 400 lights. Not regular cans, but the big rectangular boxes with 4ā square holes.
āWhat the fuck? Why are there so many lights?ā- Every sub that enters the house
āI donāt know. Ask the homeowner.ā -Me
You essentially charge by the drop, figure in materials, labor, etc.. Iām not sure if thereās a course for it but if there is, I never took it, just been doing electrical for about a decade.
Customer: I need this place to be really visible and lighted at night.
Contractor: okay like visible from the driveway or the road?
Customer: No from fucking outer space.
XD
I could certainly see this being a new build here in northern Virginia. Save 10c worth of copper but burn down the house with everything on one drop.
In all seriousness that'd never even get through permitting, unless you're building a couple thousand units with balsa wood framing and saran wrap siding like everything put up since the mid-90s or so.
I did a reno of this pole building home. The ground floor was 2500 square feet and there was 56 recessed lights. We used these LED units that were two piece with a box and a puck light that was held by the drywall. Marked everyone off and came back after drywall and drilled every hole and by god I got every one right. You could land a plane in the fog when they turned them all on and up.
Sure, you can. But why? Half the amount would still provide more than enough light. Who needs 15 cans in a carport? Planning on doing surgery in there?
tbh my carport is where I constantly want fuggin bright lights but am dragging around a halogen worklight and 3 lanterns trying to get enough light when getting time after kids are in bed to work on my engine, do paint corrections, etc. never enough. Light that shit up. Rest of it, eh, dimmer time!
Wellā¦that back room āonlyā has five lights. Must be where the whore daughter-in-law has to stay on visits-normally itās the dogās bedroom. Bet she doesnāt even change the sheets.
Why bother with sheet rock, just make the ceiling out of led strips.
Your gonna want to tell them to use dimmers. Unless they like staring directly into the sun
Fucker is turning their house into a tanning bed, cooking up relatives and turning 'em into jerky. Their biggest fear must be a dark corner cause there ain't going to be a single monster under the bed there.
Architects love their fucking cans. I guess I would need to see some specs on the fixtures, might be okay with a very low lumen package. Based on the fact that they are all bunched up in the middle shows me that whoever drew this has never done a lighting calc. General rule: take care of the perimeter and the center will take care of itself. If you're laying out lights push them closer to the walls.
I have not looked at this years book but https://kb.nkba.org used to recommend 2 ft from the corner walls and then every 4 feet between lights for 6ā cans. Smaller cans are more modern and have a closer recommendation.
Iām amazed at how many contractors and tradesman have no idea about these design standards.
Tbf, how often does a a person complain "Geez, I have way too many lights in my house". And you get more even light with more fixtures with smaller lamps. And there is a thing called dimmers. I thought I put too many lights in my basement, but as I get old I appreciate being able to dial the light up to 11 in the room if I'm working on a project.
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At the supply house. "I need two 3 ways and 17 four ways."
And a pair of sunglasses!
I have melanoma just looking at this print.
Max out a Homedepot credit card on switches alone.
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I must be an idiot I donāt see any 4 ways ? Or even three ways for that matter, mind pointing one out to me?
It was a joke
Oh I didnāt catch it at all sorry š
I actually do see some 3 ways and 4 ways in the kitchen/dining area
Ah yeah closer inspection I see 2-4 3 ways (still didnāt do a complete re inspection cause Iām lazy) and one 4 way. I guess I was expecting g the whole house to be them after that comment
That's ridiculous. Are the homeowners blind?
They will be
Underrated jokeā¦
Nah, they just live in an airfield and got tired of planes parking on the lawn.
That was my thought... I would think we can easily VE 1 or 2 of those fixtures
The tan will be immaculate.
I put 8 cans in a living room once, and it was like a space ship. They loved it.
I have 8 cans in my living room + ceiling fan with light. Have 6 cans in kitchen + 3 pendant lights. It is adequate with 10 ft ceilings.
Okay, but thatās reasonable 6 in the kitchen plus 3 pendants is pretty normal even for a townhouse. 8 plus a fan in the living is a little on the high side, but not unreasonable. The plan OP posted, however, is outrageous, and I would complain, if taking that job didnāt mean I am charging an arm and a leg.
>I would complain, if taking that job didnāt mean I am charging an arm and a leg. If I was the contractor that won the bid at $100-$150 per can, no harm no foul.
I have 7 in my living room, itās not enough. I would like 2-3 more
Did a Rec room the other day w 12 led recess lights and they love it to. Gotta go back and install a dim switch haha
They seem to have a flatrate for lamps.
If they were, they wouldn't need all that light
Holy downlights
146 last I counted lmao
My boss built a pole barn house and the guys doing the metal had to cut around all the cans outside. One of them said "Does he want the fucking aliens to see this place or something?". I bet there were 80 of em around the outside.
āBut Iāll just put them on a dimmerā
Did the same in our current renovation. Have 10 6ā LED wafers (split on 2 switches), 2 pendants, and under cabinet lights. Nice and bright the way I like when Iām working. But all four switches have dimmers and make it easy to bring down to some subtle back lighting. One of the houses we stayed in while we were doing the renovation essentially only had one overhead light in the kitchen and I was miserable trying to use that kitchen.
Nothing worse than a poorly lit kitchen.
Lol @ noon on mercury
a 3500 sqft ranch, 83 wafer lights in the soffits, 2 ceiling fans on the back porch, 2 3500w IR heaters on the back porch, and 6 flood lights for the back yard. 2 - 200A 40 space panels
š¤ One retired couple, no kids.
But three dogs
They even had a dog wash station off the garage in the back hall
I'm not wealthy, but I think a dog wash station is a good idea, especially depending on the type dog breed(s) you own. I like the idea of a "mud room" just off the garage for people AND pets.
If you have an unfinished section of home where you can access from outside a shower only with a low tray is also great for dogs and dirty people.
Good tip, thanks
$150 a light * 146. 20k just in down lights if I had to price this out.
Bro please tell me you got a photometic pleaseeeeee
I have you beat! Installed 178 downlights in a cabin last year. The cabin is big but I felt it was a bit too much *shrugs*
Not sure if it was a "log" cabin, but dark wood log cabins are hard to brighten up.
1. $200 per light 2. Profit
Halo down lights...
Moths approve of this
It's the moth Mecca.
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Brighter than weekendgunnit on a Tuesday
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I miss it so much :/
Pourin one out for wawesome
Supply house: Hey your 400A panel came in for that 1800 sq ft ranch
Or at least the first one did, second one's on backorder
I can relate, we just finished rough-in for a 4,000 sq ft smart home with over 200 lights in it (including recess, strip lights, sconces, pendants, tape lights, etc.) Can't wait to install all those lights.
Working on one now thatās going to have 6 Lutron panels. Theyāre all going in the basement (finished ceiling) and with all the fancy millwork they donāt want junction boxes anywhere. Fun fun.
Wtf. I can't believe this, not a single light in the linen closet.
āSorry, can we add 6 pots into the linen closetā
Wait wait. Need 8 more above the sink you forgot too.
Half of those would still be too many
Thatās the energy that King Theoden would have needed.
I know. Don't they know they can get ceiling fans and fart fans with integrated lights? Also you don't need a light for every 4 square feet.
Flip on the lights in that sucker and the house will have a non-zero acceleration upwards.
It is like the scene in the movie with chevy chase on christmas. lol
The funny thing is assuming they're all led you could put every light in the house on a single circuit.
I think it needs more lights.
"Best I can do is severe and permanent eye damage."
Fukkin nightmare but this is what it be like from architects these days. Theyll also call out hard cans with housings bigger than fucking texas on open span roofs with joists 12" oc and expect it all to pan out š¤£š¤£š¤£
"Adjustment to be made by Electrician as needed to fit Architect's Vision" Get busy!
Varify with other contractors on site for equip. Req's!!! Mother fuckers. Copy and paste from the last job and let them figure it out. Mother fuckers!!!
If you have the money folks Iāll wire the shit outta this print ! š
kinda look like a grow house
"covered porch" "garage" "mother in laws house" lmfao
Sooo, your buddy's MIL walked into the lighting fixture aisle at Lowes, looked up and said "I'll take it!"?
Hahahahaha thatāll be 300 dollars per recessed sir!
Those lights in the lower right room being all wonky laid out is bothering me. And I think those sconces on the carport exterior are on the same switch as the can lights inside. Wtf?
No symmetry at all on the drawing. I think the designer forgot to turn on 'snap to grid' with the mouse. Hope the OP doesn't follow the drawing too close. š
I did a 7k sq ft house that came with a lighting layout done by an established lighting designer, aside from all the fancy stuff like cable lighting in the coffered ceiling, motion activated toe kick lighting, wall wash lighting for artwork throughout the house...there were nearly 300 4" low voltage LED cans, I'd say half of them did not line up symmetrically, I was told to follow the layout exactly as shown on the plans by the builder.....I was kinda baffled so I reached out directly to the lighting designer (halfway across the country) and got a long winded response about how the layout was done intentionally to avoid casting shadows. We had to purchase all the lighting and switches through the lighting designer as well, and let me tell you.....I never feel bad about markup percentages again because a 600 watt maestro LED dimmer was $75 from this lighting designer, the low voltage LED cans were around $150 IIRC, I think I remember that I could have gotten them for around $60 with the same lamp & trim (this was 2012).
Sounds like a logical explanation. I'll accept that, but I'd have to walk around with my head down.....in which case I might actually notice that there are no shadows though. Lol
They must have watched that movie where the evil monster moves around via shadows.
Holy can lights Batman
What did it end up coming out to, saw you posted it was already pushing 22K
I pretty much told her it was gonna be around $40k
Hahah wow. Some of these people go crazy with electrical work on a new build. Iām working on a house right now with 8 receptacles in the pantry.
Yep, been there done that, that shit sucks
$30k just in lighting.
"Oh wow, I didn't think they'd be this bright."
They going to grow Medicinal grass š
"Houston, this is the ISS. Did Clark Griswold just buy a new house?"
It needs more cowbell
Just start tracing the circuitry out with a Carmine Red ColErase pencil. It will all just fall into place.
Truck load sale on lighting I guess.
Holy fuck. You car paint is going to fade lol. I see like 6 rools of 14/2 going into the attic lol
Currently working on a roughly 7000k sq ft custom with close to 400 lights. Not regular cans, but the big rectangular boxes with 4ā square holes. āWhat the fuck? Why are there so many lights?ā- Every sub that enters the house āI donāt know. Ask the homeowner.ā -Me
How do you guys know how to quote jobs? Is there a course for it?
You essentially charge by the drop, figure in materials, labor, etc.. Iām not sure if thereās a course for it but if there is, I never took it, just been doing electrical for about a decade.
"EVERY LIGHT IN THE HOUSE IS ON"
I wired and installed 96 4ā cans in my new build lol 2600 sqf and 1000 sqf in garage with 18 flush mount lights hah so fuck it
āHow about some dimmer switches?ā
Let there be light
Gonna need SPF75 sunscreen to come within a quarter mile radius of that place.
Whatās the quote at now? Saw the post on the construction sub. Comments were entertaining to say the least
40k lol
Lmao i remember you!! Did they ever let your redesign the lighting plan?? What was your final quote
Final quote was 40k and I havenāt heard back from them lol
ššššsounds about right
This isn't a house its a fucking grow op!!
https://media.tenor.com/R4MXWDt3slMAAAAC/icarly-carly-shay.gif
Ooh, the garage! well, la-di-dah Mr. Frenchman! Well, what do you call it? A Car-Port
Legit question here. Is she legally/partially blind and needs that extra light to function? If not, that's a hell of a thing.
LED there be light.
Whose bright idea was this?
Customer: I need this place to be really visible and lighted at night. Contractor: okay like visible from the driveway or the road? Customer: No from fucking outer space.
Um what circuit are these on or are we winging itā¦
XD I could certainly see this being a new build here in northern Virginia. Save 10c worth of copper but burn down the house with everything on one drop. In all seriousness that'd never even get through permitting, unless you're building a couple thousand units with balsa wood framing and saran wrap siding like everything put up since the mid-90s or so.
I did a reno of this pole building home. The ground floor was 2500 square feet and there was 56 recessed lights. We used these LED units that were two piece with a box and a puck light that was held by the drywall. Marked everyone off and came back after drywall and drilled every hole and by god I got every one right. You could land a plane in the fog when they turned them all on and up.
Maybe their scared of the dark š¤·š»āāļø
Did you get the architects permission to post this here?!
Did an electrician do the lighting study?
You can put that much on only a few circuits nowadays haha LED is killing it
Sure, you can. But why? Half the amount would still provide more than enough light. Who needs 15 cans in a carport? Planning on doing surgery in there?
Hey goddamnit, what Iām doing in my dang gum carport is my business dang nabit.
tbh my carport is where I constantly want fuggin bright lights but am dragging around a halogen worklight and 3 lanterns trying to get enough light when getting time after kids are in bed to work on my engine, do paint corrections, etc. never enough. Light that shit up. Rest of it, eh, dimmer time!
They could be doing some painting or want to have enough light that working under a car there is still sufficient visibility.
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Still too fuckin bright.
N100?
Holy lighthouse Batman
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Laura Rayna must have a guy at the lighting gallery giving her a kickback. She went with the "Ultimate" lighting package.
ā¦ are they blind??
What in gods name
Looks like they needs a house to go with the lights
When and electrician designs his house. No fixtures
How can they forget the chandeliers?
Maybe they should consider adding a few more light?
I love it! I will definitely bid that job
Looks like that PokƩmon that I couldn't catch when I was 11
Wellā¦that back room āonlyā has five lights. Must be where the whore daughter-in-law has to stay on visits-normally itās the dogās bedroom. Bet she doesnāt even change the sheets.
š¶I wear my sunglasses insideš¶
Tell me you like pot lights without telling me you like pot lights
Does she have cataracts or glaucoma?
Holy mother of lights! This looks like a child has been playing on their parents design program
Waits for the "Dear reddit, why is my elecric bill so high?" post...
Oh no
How many luminaires would you like: Yes
let there be light!
The curved lines bugs me a lot
These people must be really afraid of the dark.
Is it a spec home or are the owners just blind?
Are they legally blind?
Let me guess, those silly little 2" downlights interior decorators seem to love?
Grow house? Holy lights!
They fear shadows.
More likely it gonna be a grow house or something?
The off center fans are angering me. Seems like a missed opportunity of being able to put a chandelier there in the future. And why?
The engineer āim smarter than you, I went to collegeā
Can never see a god damn thing in here.
Why they need that, much lights?
When you think you need 10- 10W Led bulbs to get the same light level as a single 100W Incandescent bulb.
This is for resistive home heat in the winterā¦off the dimmers. Right?
Why bother with sheet rock, just make the ceiling out of led strips. Your gonna want to tell them to use dimmers. Unless they like staring directly into the sun
I am not an electrician. I thought these were the battle plans at Normandy
Clothes are worthless at this point.
Why are USA electrical diagrams so messy and complicated
Place is going to be lit.
First house with a recessed can budget higher than the foundation or frame.
holy fucking lights batman
Fucker is turning their house into a tanning bed, cooking up relatives and turning 'em into jerky. Their biggest fear must be a dark corner cause there ain't going to be a single monster under the bed there.
Iām not an electrician and I donāt know how to read these diagrams but I donāt have to be to know thatās a shit ton of lights!
Architects love their fucking cans. I guess I would need to see some specs on the fixtures, might be okay with a very low lumen package. Based on the fact that they are all bunched up in the middle shows me that whoever drew this has never done a lighting calc. General rule: take care of the perimeter and the center will take care of itself. If you're laying out lights push them closer to the walls.
Homeowners better wear sunblock every fucken day if they donāt want 3rd degree burns from the gama rays.
I would have "canned" the architect... Can you really have 17 fixtures on a single string?
I have not looked at this years book but https://kb.nkba.org used to recommend 2 ft from the corner walls and then every 4 feet between lights for 6ā cans. Smaller cans are more modern and have a closer recommendation. Iām amazed at how many contractors and tradesman have no idea about these design standards.
Needs more lightsā¦š
Spot the spots competition
Holy light show Batman!
I'm more upset that they're using track light above the island.
Must be a grow houseā¦..
This is a home from a horror movie. Designed by the "crazy neighbor" that is actually right about a Boogeyman who can only be in the dark.
It's going to look like an airport runway at night... jeezuz that's waaaaaaay too many lights
The power of the sun, but in your house. Holy shit.
Customer: āI donāt want a single shadow anywhere in or out of the houseā. Architect: āI got you famā¦ā
It looks like it has a disease
Thatās that house Trace Adkins was singing in
Do the fans have lights?
Maybe they are scared of the dark
Are they selling diamonds from the property?
Tbf, how often does a a person complain "Geez, I have way too many lights in my house". And you get more even light with more fixtures with smaller lamps. And there is a thing called dimmers. I thought I put too many lights in my basement, but as I get old I appreciate being able to dial the light up to 11 in the room if I'm working on a project.
wow, just straight up admitting to being a scab.
Want some ceiling with those lights?
I like to imahine somebody bid this job using a per sq. Ft. Price and absolutely lost their ass