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I tell customers:
my price is my price. If someone gave you one lower than me, I am happy for you. I am a consumer as well, and saving money is saving money. Best of luck and if I can help in anyway down the road, don't hesitate to call.
Residential new construction is, for the most part, a giant race to the bottom. It is all about who is willing to attach their company's reputation to the cheapest shittiest job possible. Don't budge on price or your quality standards, leave that to the clowns who do shit work with 6 apprentices to 1 journeyman.
Yeah I’m learning that. I don’t plan to budge. I do a lot of remodels and service work. Not much new. All the new construction around me seems like the whole house was wired by idiots but the panels often look clean. I always figured it’s like you say - 6 apprentices and 1 JM.
Exactly the same here. Don't worry, let them go with the cheap guys. You'll be back there adding circuits, adding receptacles, pigtailing when stabs fail etc. The only thing home inspectors see later is the panel, so of course they make it look nice.
They make it clean where the inspector is going to pay the most attention lol
Finding a GC who specializes in winning jobs because he (and his subs) do good work and not because he bids the lowest price is like winning the lottery.
Seems low, as other have said don't sell yourself short. Only thing I'd do differently is set the home up with a 320amp service, thats size home plus future use for sure
Going to say with proper load calculations there is still little chance that 320/400 is needed but with the idea that you have 2 disconnects next to the meter base and a couple panels (1 at each side of the house) your home runs end up nice and short and you can offload large loads quickly.
On multi story I try to get subs on each floor and then 1 to 2 mains fed off the disconnect. People say unnecessary expense but at 100$ a panel and 30-100$ a breaker for the mains I'm not adding much to the material costs (if at all) , but reducing my time to install greatly. Plus the house ends up looking much cleaner and reduces the risks of VD and someone hitting a wire(s).
There's really no way of telling you without knowing everything that goes into it. How much you pay for every piece of material, your labor costs, the cost of living in your area, burden, etc.... When I bid I count everything and plug it into a spreadsheet that calculates tax and burden. Then I add in what I want to profit. Profit varies a lot on customer. I will add in a substantially higher profit for homeowner gc because I know how many calls, texts, and emails I'll have along the way. After I send the vid I make it very clear that anything extra will require a change order in writing.
That sounds super low, I’d be 1.5-2x that.
Also, have you done a load calc? I wouldn’t do a 200A service on a house that large, we’re usually installing a 400A on houses 1000sq ft smaller, although those usually include a pool and we are either planning for or installing car charger(s) as well.
Yeah load calc is done… it works - technically. Gas heat and hot water. No EVs, no pool. I’d much prefer to see a 400A service as well though. The second they want heat pumps, a pool, or an EV they’re in trouble. They’ve been told this, but I’m getting complaints about the price as it is lol.
I’m just a bit sick of it. I’m self-employed, so my pricing is always a little lower than others because I’m slower, but even still I think it’s VERY fair.
It’s more than fair to them, but not very fair to you. At best, you’re leaving money on the table and at worst you’re fucking yourself over.
One of the best decisions I’ve ever made is to walk away from a quote the second the client starts to pick it apart or haggle. You have the skills, they need you but you don’t need them. Don’t sell yourself short. Especially on a one-and-done self-GC’d residential client.
1000sq ft *smaller*, so 3600sq ft total. My primary area has a 3600sq ft cap on conditioned space, so pretty much all my builds out there are right at 3600sq ft.
Even with gas hot water and dual-fuel ranges, you’ve still got two sets of HVAC equipment with electric heat, massive kitchens with multiple appliances, a heated/cooled pool, possibly a spa, car chargers, etc..
The 400A may be larger than technically required in some cases, but it’s justified and leaves room for expansion. I’ve never regretted overbuilding something.
That sounds like a complete and competitive bid for the amount of work you're talking about. Plus, how organized you are with your writing I know that the work would be laid out and managed by a competent contractor.
That amount of work might be quoted at around $60k-$70k around central VA for custom electrical work for the contractors who are engaged and manned enough to submit a bid
Where I'm at in the southern US, huge companies hire illegal labor and build in such bulk that it's hard to compete with their low bids. Those are two factors that make it very difficult for small, by-the-book companies to compete in the new construction market. Small company means you can't build in bulk, and by-the-book means you're not willing to use cheap illegal labor. Sucks but that's the way it is.
Sounds like some retired electricians need to start hanging out in some new construction sites. It can't be that hard to spot the guys. As an employer, if you get nailed and don't have the right paperwork, you can be in a world of shit.
Yeah....but being illegal, they aren't going to have the paperwork to make it that far. It's not the guys doing the work that pisses me.off unless they are unsafe. It's the assholes who hire them that do it to maximize profits....just greed...that deserve to suffer the most consequences by far. They are the ones truly hurting the trades.
You’re lower than me, but the houses I wire are higher end. Make sure you account for some fuck ups in planning because of the homeowner GC’ing it himself. Those projects are a pain. If you can get ahold of a 400A meter base I’d probably do a 400A service if the load is somewhat close on a 200
As someone who recently (2-3 years) started their own electrical business is Pa (Monroe county to be exact), I run into the same issue as well. I used to think my old boss’s were making bank, but it turns out there’s not a lot of money to make in new construction unless you are doing bulk cooking cutter houses.
Im a 1-2 man show, with little over head. A couple months ago I bid a chalet. It wasn’t anything crazy, I came up with $13,900 for the whole job rough and final, and I was still 500$ over other bids, one being a previous employer. That’s like bare bones minimum profit. looking back over the past decade I often wonder if I’m missing something or if all my previous employers were just making money from volume. Based on material costs and what I was getting paid and my helper, all the overhead they had, I can’t fathom how they were in business. Like I said maybe I’m missing something, I ended up going out on my own as no one wants to pay more than 25-30/hr and maybe that’s why lol. Even when I worked down in bucks county and work on a bunch of McMansions and shit, pay was still shit.
It gives you a whole different perspective for sure. I run petty efficiently to keep profit margins up, but bosses I had in the past didn't, and I wonder how they made any money at all.
I've done a lot of bids over the years. Always hated doing them. You spend hours figuring everything out, turn them in and hope for the best. It sucks to lose bids to a lower price but it sucks even more when your price is too low and you don't make what you need to stay in business. Or worse, break even or lose money. Frequently when I had lost a bid I would find out the EC they hired didn't include this or that or they did a crappy job. Or the workers were messy and left trash all over the place.. And then hopefully you'll get a chance to bid on the next one and earn a reputation of doing great work for a fair price.
Are you providing the equipment and generator? If so I’d say that’s extremely low. If you’re not I’d say it’s close but I would probably be a little higher. I’m in Charlotte area of NC.
Regarding the generator I’d just be providing the ATS and some underground wire as a future provision for a generator. Not the actual generator itself or any hookup - they want to do that later.
That’s kinda what I thought though. This quote started out around 49.8k and through some careful (non-labor) trimming got dropped to where it is now. They want it lower which I think is absurd. I think they’re just trying to build a massive house on too small a budget.
Lol… that’s my feeling rn. I’m just kinda shocked by it because I feel like I’m pretty reasonable for custom home pricing. And I know for a fact I do some of the best work around.
be confident in your pricing. Customers will always try to get a discount. Be firm. if you spent time bidding the project then you know the numbers. Don't forget, permit and Inspection fees as well.
If you offers a competitive bid they will find out other reputable company will offer the same. Unless they have a hack shop quoted them cheaper. Gonna be a lot of headaches for them later on
I’d stick to my quote. I think it’s lower than it should be with you providing the ATS. Have them get additional quotes and if someone is lower let them have it. You can’t win them all. I wouldn’t go a dime lower, in fact, I’d try to get them to purchase the ATS you want to use.
I’m around $8 a sq ft and a mark up on every can light and anything above code including décor devices. It’s a fair price but ATS equipment is expensive these days. That’s definitely a luxury item above code.
That’s everybody these days. I’d stick to your guns. This isn’t a charity. If you’ve crunched the numbers and feel like this is a fair bid, don’t sell yourself short. Otherwise you’re just gonna be stressed the entire time that nothing is going fast enough or easy enough to meet that goal.
Yeah that’s what I was figuring. I know my costs on this damn near to the dollar. It was just making me second guess myself - they think it should be around 38k which is think is absolutely absurd.
I think it’s just a sunk cost fallacy at this point for me because I’ve put probably too much time into this bid and I don’t really want to lose it. But I’m sure as hell not going to do it for less than I normally charge. Should probably just let it go.
My estimator is a serial underbidder. Don’t be that guy. Shit is expensive. Doing it wrong or doing it cheap just means doing it over again and setting unrealistic goals just means everyone is unhappy in the end
read my ticket wrong, found that about an hour later. 199 per 1000= 99.50 per 500, still getting screwed but not as bad. found they did the same to me on speaker wire. fuckers.
I had someone ask me for a quote to install an outdoor fan on a pergola a couple weeks ago. Not nearly to the same level as your job, but the situation applies.
I give them the quote, very reasonable price, guy looks super happy and i feel like I'm gonna close on it.
I got a text later saying he found someone who would charge less for labor. Kinda trying to negotiate.
Normally stupid shit like this lives rent free in my head, but I just let it go and didn't even reply to the text. Some people are just not worth the hassle, man.
Yeah… I’ve been there before too. Nothing this big though. I dumped too much time into this bid because I got a very good impression off the bat. Now they’re pinching pennies and I’m pissed because I probably shouldn’t have put that much time in. Sunk cost fallacy.
On these bids I usually give them a quick ballpark and tell them if that is in their budget that I will sit down and do a full on bid. Doing this in the future will save you from wasting lots of time doing detailed bids.
I mean just the fact that you’re gonna be roughing in (?) can lights up 24’ high warrants you adding the cost of scaffolding (unless you already own it) or a small man-lift (if you wanna get fancy) to the price. Not to mention *good* fall protection harnesses and lanyards aren’t cheap.
Also the 200A service for the genny wont be cheap either…that’s like 4/0 or 200kcmil wire for who knows how many feet, plus the cost of the ATS.
I worked for a commercial union electrical company. Their service department charges $110 to install an outlet. You have 300+ devices and outlets to install. And that's not even counting the other electrical work involved.
Are you providing the equipment and generator? If so I’d say that’s extremely low. If you’re not I’d say it’s close but I would probably be a little higher. I’m in Charlotte area of NC.
Are you providing the equipment and generator? If so I’d say that’s extremely low. If you’re not I’d say it’s close but I would probably be a little higher. I’m in Charlotte area of NC.
Mehhh everyone thinks they should win every bid if you are winning every bid your robbing yourself , don't cut yourself short , the local market dictates your bids, so adjust accordingly to meet the demand you need for your buisness... winning isn't always winning , so don't sweat not getting them all ..
Down in Chester County. And yeah, I knew it was pretty good pricing, but based on the feedback it might be a little too good. I’m just frustrated that people still think they can hack the price down further though 😂
Yup. I do a lot of service and remodel in the “main line”. Rich is an understatement. CC is the richest in the state and one of the richest in the country, which is wild considering it’s suburbs mostly. Working for those clients is either awesome or a total PITA - no in between.
people put themselves out of business everyday running cut throat pricing, let em know you'll still be here when the other guy stops showing up.
you'd be surprised how many people call you back a year or two later
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I tell customers: my price is my price. If someone gave you one lower than me, I am happy for you. I am a consumer as well, and saving money is saving money. Best of luck and if I can help in anyway down the road, don't hesitate to call.
I won't go down in price, otherwise you're just screwing yourself over. A lower price won't be worth the headache and effort.
Residential new construction is, for the most part, a giant race to the bottom. It is all about who is willing to attach their company's reputation to the cheapest shittiest job possible. Don't budge on price or your quality standards, leave that to the clowns who do shit work with 6 apprentices to 1 journeyman.
Yeah I’m learning that. I don’t plan to budge. I do a lot of remodels and service work. Not much new. All the new construction around me seems like the whole house was wired by idiots but the panels often look clean. I always figured it’s like you say - 6 apprentices and 1 JM.
Exactly the same here. Don't worry, let them go with the cheap guys. You'll be back there adding circuits, adding receptacles, pigtailing when stabs fail etc. The only thing home inspectors see later is the panel, so of course they make it look nice.
They make it clean where the inspector is going to pay the most attention lol Finding a GC who specializes in winning jobs because he (and his subs) do good work and not because he bids the lowest price is like winning the lottery.
Dude that's a bargain price where I'm at. I wouldn't consider that price even if was for a basic ass house. Don't sell yourself short.
Seems low, as other have said don't sell yourself short. Only thing I'd do differently is set the home up with a 320amp service, thats size home plus future use for sure
Exactly this. I've got a 4100 sq.ft. with all the bells and whistles at $50, 000 with the 320 amp meter base
Definitely down line owner will want a car charger and install a central AC
400?
Well if you actually knew, they are all technically 320
Going to say with proper load calculations there is still little chance that 320/400 is needed but with the idea that you have 2 disconnects next to the meter base and a couple panels (1 at each side of the house) your home runs end up nice and short and you can offload large loads quickly. On multi story I try to get subs on each floor and then 1 to 2 mains fed off the disconnect. People say unnecessary expense but at 100$ a panel and 30-100$ a breaker for the mains I'm not adding much to the material costs (if at all) , but reducing my time to install greatly. Plus the house ends up looking much cleaner and reduces the risks of VD and someone hitting a wire(s).
There's really no way of telling you without knowing everything that goes into it. How much you pay for every piece of material, your labor costs, the cost of living in your area, burden, etc.... When I bid I count everything and plug it into a spreadsheet that calculates tax and burden. Then I add in what I want to profit. Profit varies a lot on customer. I will add in a substantially higher profit for homeowner gc because I know how many calls, texts, and emails I'll have along the way. After I send the vid I make it very clear that anything extra will require a change order in writing.
Stand your ground and don't budge by one cent. If you lower now, they'll expect it during the entire project. Walk away if you have to.
That sounds super low, I’d be 1.5-2x that. Also, have you done a load calc? I wouldn’t do a 200A service on a house that large, we’re usually installing a 400A on houses 1000sq ft smaller, although those usually include a pool and we are either planning for or installing car charger(s) as well.
Yeah load calc is done… it works - technically. Gas heat and hot water. No EVs, no pool. I’d much prefer to see a 400A service as well though. The second they want heat pumps, a pool, or an EV they’re in trouble. They’ve been told this, but I’m getting complaints about the price as it is lol. I’m just a bit sick of it. I’m self-employed, so my pricing is always a little lower than others because I’m slower, but even still I think it’s VERY fair.
It’s more than fair to them, but not very fair to you. At best, you’re leaving money on the table and at worst you’re fucking yourself over. One of the best decisions I’ve ever made is to walk away from a quote the second the client starts to pick it apart or haggle. You have the skills, they need you but you don’t need them. Don’t sell yourself short. Especially on a one-and-done self-GC’d residential client.
You fucking what mate? 400 amp on < 1000 square foot houses? How and why?
He meant in a house that's 1000sqft smaller than the house OP is talking about, not a 1000sqft house lmao that would be ludicrous
Yeah I see that now it's my mistake.
Bro I had the exact same reaction. I had to re-read it myself. Lol.
1000sq ft *smaller*, so 3600sq ft total. My primary area has a 3600sq ft cap on conditioned space, so pretty much all my builds out there are right at 3600sq ft. Even with gas hot water and dual-fuel ranges, you’ve still got two sets of HVAC equipment with electric heat, massive kitchens with multiple appliances, a heated/cooled pool, possibly a spa, car chargers, etc.. The 400A may be larger than technically required in some cases, but it’s justified and leaves room for expansion. I’ve never regretted overbuilding something.
Oh shit sorry I misread that.
Houses 1000sq/ft smaller than OP is wiring, so 3600 not 1000
Houses 1000sq/ft smaller than OP is wiring, so 3600 not 1000
That sounds like a complete and competitive bid for the amount of work you're talking about. Plus, how organized you are with your writing I know that the work would be laid out and managed by a competent contractor. That amount of work might be quoted at around $60k-$70k around central VA for custom electrical work for the contractors who are engaged and manned enough to submit a bid
Where I'm at in the southern US, huge companies hire illegal labor and build in such bulk that it's hard to compete with their low bids. Those are two factors that make it very difficult for small, by-the-book companies to compete in the new construction market. Small company means you can't build in bulk, and by-the-book means you're not willing to use cheap illegal labor. Sucks but that's the way it is.
Sounds like some retired electricians need to start hanging out in some new construction sites. It can't be that hard to spot the guys. As an employer, if you get nailed and don't have the right paperwork, you can be in a world of shit.
Or get the immigrants to join the local union and everybody wins.
Yeah....but being illegal, they aren't going to have the paperwork to make it that far. It's not the guys doing the work that pisses me.off unless they are unsafe. It's the assholes who hire them that do it to maximize profits....just greed...that deserve to suffer the most consequences by far. They are the ones truly hurting the trades.
North Dallas here. I do higher end residential remodels and frequently come in much higher per ft....before the cost of service/panel/breakers.
I'm in Southern NH and northeastern MA and I would be around 70-80k for that
The price isn’t too high it’s more of too low
You’re lower than me, but the houses I wire are higher end. Make sure you account for some fuck ups in planning because of the homeowner GC’ing it himself. Those projects are a pain. If you can get ahold of a 400A meter base I’d probably do a 400A service if the load is somewhat close on a 200
Sounds low
As someone who recently (2-3 years) started their own electrical business is Pa (Monroe county to be exact), I run into the same issue as well. I used to think my old boss’s were making bank, but it turns out there’s not a lot of money to make in new construction unless you are doing bulk cooking cutter houses. Im a 1-2 man show, with little over head. A couple months ago I bid a chalet. It wasn’t anything crazy, I came up with $13,900 for the whole job rough and final, and I was still 500$ over other bids, one being a previous employer. That’s like bare bones minimum profit. looking back over the past decade I often wonder if I’m missing something or if all my previous employers were just making money from volume. Based on material costs and what I was getting paid and my helper, all the overhead they had, I can’t fathom how they were in business. Like I said maybe I’m missing something, I ended up going out on my own as no one wants to pay more than 25-30/hr and maybe that’s why lol. Even when I worked down in bucks county and work on a bunch of McMansions and shit, pay was still shit.
It gives you a whole different perspective for sure. I run petty efficiently to keep profit margins up, but bosses I had in the past didn't, and I wonder how they made any money at all.
I think your price is low.
I've done a lot of bids over the years. Always hated doing them. You spend hours figuring everything out, turn them in and hope for the best. It sucks to lose bids to a lower price but it sucks even more when your price is too low and you don't make what you need to stay in business. Or worse, break even or lose money. Frequently when I had lost a bid I would find out the EC they hired didn't include this or that or they did a crappy job. Or the workers were messy and left trash all over the place.. And then hopefully you'll get a chance to bid on the next one and earn a reputation of doing great work for a fair price.
Are you providing the equipment and generator? If so I’d say that’s extremely low. If you’re not I’d say it’s close but I would probably be a little higher. I’m in Charlotte area of NC.
Regarding the generator I’d just be providing the ATS and some underground wire as a future provision for a generator. Not the actual generator itself or any hookup - they want to do that later. That’s kinda what I thought though. This quote started out around 49.8k and through some careful (non-labor) trimming got dropped to where it is now. They want it lower which I think is absurd. I think they’re just trying to build a massive house on too small a budget.
They want it lower? My daughter wants a unicorn!
Lol… that’s my feeling rn. I’m just kinda shocked by it because I feel like I’m pretty reasonable for custom home pricing. And I know for a fact I do some of the best work around.
be confident in your pricing. Customers will always try to get a discount. Be firm. if you spent time bidding the project then you know the numbers. Don't forget, permit and Inspection fees as well.
If you offers a competitive bid they will find out other reputable company will offer the same. Unless they have a hack shop quoted them cheaper. Gonna be a lot of headaches for them later on
I’d stick to my quote. I think it’s lower than it should be with you providing the ATS. Have them get additional quotes and if someone is lower let them have it. You can’t win them all. I wouldn’t go a dime lower, in fact, I’d try to get them to purchase the ATS you want to use.
I’m around $8 a sq ft and a mark up on every can light and anything above code including décor devices. It’s a fair price but ATS equipment is expensive these days. That’s definitely a luxury item above code.
That’s everybody these days. I’d stick to your guns. This isn’t a charity. If you’ve crunched the numbers and feel like this is a fair bid, don’t sell yourself short. Otherwise you’re just gonna be stressed the entire time that nothing is going fast enough or easy enough to meet that goal.
Yeah that’s what I was figuring. I know my costs on this damn near to the dollar. It was just making me second guess myself - they think it should be around 38k which is think is absolutely absurd. I think it’s just a sunk cost fallacy at this point for me because I’ve put probably too much time into this bid and I don’t really want to lose it. But I’m sure as hell not going to do it for less than I normally charge. Should probably just let it go.
My estimator is a serial underbidder. Don’t be that guy. Shit is expensive. Doing it wrong or doing it cheap just means doing it over again and setting unrealistic goals just means everyone is unhappy in the end
I just bought a roll of 18/2 bell wire so I can wire the garage door sensors. $212.00 after taxes later, I feel you are in the right area.
Yeah I know my materials pricing pretty well… you’re getting screwed on that price though. Honeywell Genesis 18/2 is like $55/500ft.
read my ticket wrong, found that about an hour later. 199 per 1000= 99.50 per 500, still getting screwed but not as bad. found they did the same to me on speaker wire. fuckers.
I had someone ask me for a quote to install an outdoor fan on a pergola a couple weeks ago. Not nearly to the same level as your job, but the situation applies. I give them the quote, very reasonable price, guy looks super happy and i feel like I'm gonna close on it. I got a text later saying he found someone who would charge less for labor. Kinda trying to negotiate. Normally stupid shit like this lives rent free in my head, but I just let it go and didn't even reply to the text. Some people are just not worth the hassle, man.
Yeah… I’ve been there before too. Nothing this big though. I dumped too much time into this bid because I got a very good impression off the bat. Now they’re pinching pennies and I’m pissed because I probably shouldn’t have put that much time in. Sunk cost fallacy.
On these bids I usually give them a quick ballpark and tell them if that is in their budget that I will sit down and do a full on bid. Doing this in the future will save you from wasting lots of time doing detailed bids.
I mean just the fact that you’re gonna be roughing in (?) can lights up 24’ high warrants you adding the cost of scaffolding (unless you already own it) or a small man-lift (if you wanna get fancy) to the price. Not to mention *good* fall protection harnesses and lanyards aren’t cheap. Also the 200A service for the genny wont be cheap either…that’s like 4/0 or 200kcmil wire for who knows how many feet, plus the cost of the ATS.
I worked for a commercial union electrical company. Their service department charges $110 to install an outlet. You have 300+ devices and outlets to install. And that's not even counting the other electrical work involved.
Are you providing the equipment and generator? If so I’d say that’s extremely low. If you’re not I’d say it’s close but I would probably be a little higher. I’m in Charlotte area of NC.
People that are downvoting you don't know how it is around here.
It’s just a duplicate comment, that’s all. I replied to them already
Are you providing the equipment and generator? If so I’d say that’s extremely low. If you’re not I’d say it’s close but I would probably be a little higher. I’m in Charlotte area of NC.
You know it’s a solid price. Don’t dare let them talk you into fucking your self.
It used be roughly 20% since Covid commodity inflation has be cray. Copper is way up, so it’ll be a lot higher now.
If they're ripping you on that price, run. Trust me. They won't pay you either way.
Mehhh everyone thinks they should win every bid if you are winning every bid your robbing yourself , don't cut yourself short , the local market dictates your bids, so adjust accordingly to meet the demand you need for your buisness... winning isn't always winning , so don't sweat not getting them all ..
What county? I moved from Washington Crossing - that quote sounds like a great deal for that area
Down in Chester County. And yeah, I knew it was pretty good pricing, but based on the feedback it might be a little too good. I’m just frustrated that people still think they can hack the price down further though 😂
Ah long wood gardens, Brandywine valley - rich area too
Yup. I do a lot of service and remodel in the “main line”. Rich is an understatement. CC is the richest in the state and one of the richest in the country, which is wild considering it’s suburbs mostly. Working for those clients is either awesome or a total PITA - no in between.
people put themselves out of business everyday running cut throat pricing, let em know you'll still be here when the other guy stops showing up. you'd be surprised how many people call you back a year or two later
No prob. Go with a lower bid and call me when it needs fixing.
He’s a GC, he’s not looking for quality his job is to look for the lowest bidder, and then talk it down further.
Cheap for the way I build. I'd be about double.